Yet more proof why we need to put aside the childish immorality of deadly
So, we have a young woman unlawfully killed by two cops and we get the County
attorney and an internal affairs unit investigating.Some convicted
felon makes wild accusations against our Attorney General, who immediately asks
for the feds to investigate, but instead gets a whole host of investigations
started, with the politicos involved each vying to out do the others on getting
a conviction in the court of public opinion before a single fact is reported.Kind of makes you wonder how our justice system really works. Maybe
scoring political points is a more serious concern than cops unlawfully shooting
a young woman, at least to some powerful people.
@ redshirt007 - tranquility base, 00 - "Yet more proof why we need to put
aside the childish immorality of deadly weapons."You're not
seriously suggesting we need to make guns illegal are you? Guns don't kill
people. People kill people. Yep, a loaded gun can sit safely on a shelf
forever until a person pulls the trigger.Surely you can't be
I absolutely agree with her. These gun happy cops need to be punished.
Every stop officers make is a risk to their own personal lives, too. There
isn't much time to make a life and death decision as to whether they need
to protect themselves. Much confrontation could be avoided if citizens would
obey the laws and step out of their cars when asked. It is tragic for anyone to
lose their life, but they have to take some responsibility for the choices they
Speaking in general because I don't know the details of this case the
reason we hire policeman is so we can feel safer to protect us from those that
would do us harm if it gets to the point for the policeman themselves are the
ones we need to fear than that needs to be dealt with.
Very few stops in a peace officer's career put their lives at risk. The
assumption that every stop could is the corroding acid that corrodes police
policy into dehumanising confrontations with their citizen enemies.
So, TimBehrend, would you have all police officers just stroll up to any
"stop" and shoot the breeze before getting to the business as hand? How
would you try to differentiate a dangerous stop from a benign one while in the
process? How would you justify all the officers who have been killed during a
"routine" traffic stop? Should they not be totally prepared for ANY
contingency, not just the ones you armchair quarterbacks attack after the fact?
And it's completely irresponsible to label all citizens as enemies to
police. Police are citizens, too. Their enemies are the criminals. Are they not
yours, as well?
Cleetorn . . . this situation just supports the idea that there's really no
substitute for some degree of functional intelligence if you're in a
position of authority or possible dire consequence. If you really think that
some unarmed little gal sitting behind the wheel of a car is a deadly threat,
then maybe you need a job in the back room punching a keypad, or something else
less threatening or scary to you. If someone is obviously armed and
threatening, then you have reason for caution and should be PREPARED for more
possible drastic action. Otherwise, use your head for more than a hat rack, and
stay out of the way of the vehicle. This isn't nuclear physics.
So will anybody tell me more about how this kind of thing won't happen if
only the police are allowed to have Guns? This is something the anti-gun people
won't acknowledge because it goes against their tyrannical agenda. The
thing is, this type of incident with police unjustifiably killing people is
exploding across the country.
Sim Gill is correct, and the cops are peeved.Why?They have been
exposed as not doing their jobs right, and a girl is shot dead.
A young girl is dead, but it might it have been different had she complied with
turning off her car, putting her hands out of the window and face the
charges that she had before her...Have we been told if she was under the
influence of drugsat the time this happened? Lots about the police, little
about whether she had a record.
What some people are not taking into account is that this was not a traditional
traffic stop where the uniformed police officers pulled up behind her in a
marked squad car then issued instructions. These were detectives in plain
clothes who were on foot. Ms. Willard may have been under the influence of drugs
or she may not have. It doesn't matter. When two men with guns drawn
approach a 21 year old young woman's car in WVC and start shouting things
it is a normal response to panic and try to flee. Not turn off her car, roll
down the window and see what they want.
CB said: "A young girl is dead, but it might it have been different had she
complied with turning off her car, putting her hands out of the window and
face the charges that she had before her..."Unfortunately
these officers lied on their reports, as forensics proved so how do we know if
she was or wasn't complying. These are bad folks who unfortunately were
also officers. Not all who wear a badge do so honorably.Deadly force has
is becoming the norm instead of the exception when it comes to even minor
According to the victim's sister she was her inspiration, a person having
drug addictions? Something is wrong there. If she had just done what the
officers told her probably I would be doing somwthing else right now.
I am sorry that this young woman was killed. I am usually a supporter of law
enforcement, they have to deal with the worst elements in humanity on a daily
basis. But there are many questions about this account. I can't nod in
agreement with the grieving sister, she doesn't know the full story and her
pain is likely overwhelming.
Here is a radical idea. How about we let the jury hear the evidence and decide.
It is sad that so many commentors act like they were eye witnesses. Mabey the
girl was just trying to flee. Maybe she was trying to run over the police
officer. Nothing like convicting someone after hearing one side of the story.
The root cause of this incident is the phony War on Drugs. We are not winning
that war and we never will. You cannot stop people from doing stupid things but
we have succeeded in making illegal drug dealing a very lucrative enterprise." Drug War allows drug lords to make a lot more moneyEnd the
drug war. The deteriorating economic conditions and the mess with immigration
invite the violence of the drug lords and corrupt officials on both sides.
It's time to break up the coalition of the religious drug warriors and the
drug dealers who fight any effort to decriminalize drugs. It's time to
treat all drugs the way we treat alcohol and cigarettes, substances that kill
millions more than hard drugs do. The drug war allows drug lords to make a lot
more money than legalized drugs ever would."Source: Liberty Defined,
by Rep. Ron Paul, p.156 , Apr 19, 2011 Drugs are not that expensive
to produce. It's their illegality that makes them expensive for users and
taxpayers. Handle them like alcohol. Not a perfect system, but it will surely
be a vast improvement over what we are doing.
Amen Idaho stranger.