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  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    Sounds like a no brainer for me. PAC12, great new facilities, tight family team bond, best chance to make the pros compared to the the other state schools. No brainer. Its a great time to be a UTE!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    An article based on research rather than opinion. Refreshing!

    "Whether this [NFL talent] will translate into wins is debatable." -- Rock

    True but NFL talent under a great coach equals wins. For example, look at Notre Dame's talent under Charlie Weis and Florida before Urban. Those two teams have a top 20 recruiting class each year. Coaching has been the difference.

    Utah's biggest problem besides PAC-12 depth has been the lack of an offensive coordinator. I'm hoping Erickson sticks around for at least 2-3 years thus allowing BJ to gain experience as an OC.

    Go UTES!

  • Atrix Vancouver, WA
    Aug. 10, 2013 7:47 p.m.

    It's a shame that with such talented players Utah can't find success on the field. How does BYU find success without all the NFL talent? It must come down to the coaching and teamwork aspect of football. That is how Boise St does it every year with weak recruiting classes.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    Atrix,

    Utah BCS games won:2
    Boise St:2
    BYU> ZERO

    Feel free to ACTUALLY follow the collegiate game...

  • ekute Layton, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    Atrix,

    Utah would of been in a BCS bowl the last 2 years if they would of played byu and BS's schedule.

  • Atrix Vancouver, WA
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    2004 and 2008 were great years for Utah, they had awesome teams then. But what is all the talent doing now? When Utah has another winning season you can talk about how great they are. For now they are carp food sitting on the bottom of Lake Pac-10.2.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    @atrix

    Your argument makes no sense. Many of those NFL players from the U played on those 2004 and 2008 teams. And even in the past 2 years of transitioning into the difficult PAC 12 schedule, the Utes have still managed to send more players to the NFL than either BYU or Boise.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    I think Morgan Scally said it best: "is this a program they feel is heading in the right direction? So we’ve got to win. Winning is the biggest thing here.”

    Utah's pro talent is certainly impressive, but I guarantee a lot of 18 yr olds want to win and contend for championships. Is Utah their best choice in those terms? Surely they ask the same question BYU fans ask...if U have so much talent, how do U go 5-7 and bowless? This has to be the most frustrating issue for ute fans. It's a question I would be asking if BYU had 31 players in the NFL and went 5-7. Great, U send more players to the NFL than ASU or Washington, yet U cant come within 3 TDs of beating them. Recruiting is great, SOS is great, being in the PAC12 is great. Theses are all things I would be proud of as a ute fan/player/coach. But when does it translate to competing in conference...in the words of Jerry McGuire "show me the money".

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    Going to the NFL is a great goal, but I hope players from every team understand the average NFL player lasts three years. That means the average NFL player does NOT make enough money to retire on. Hopefully all coaches are emphasizing a backup plan to the NFL.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    After all those stories about the 10 greatest moustaches in BYU history; who was the greatest wide receiver ever at BYU, etc. Now a story about Utah and all the writer could think of was how many Utes are currently in the Pros. Well, you have to write about the programs what you can, I guess.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Re" Atrix "It's a shame that with such talented players Utah can't find success on the field" Huh?I guess you are right if you consider beating BYU for the last 3 years as not counting towards success. Real success will come from beating real teams in the PAC-12.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:39 p.m.

    I think its funny how so many BYU fans have also adopted a PAC12 team besides Utah. They cant beat Utah on the field so lets get a plan B. hahaha.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    All this talk about Utah being 5-7 is old. No doubt for Ute fans, our team was a letdown last year. But if schedules were reversed relative to the red and blue, then we are increasing wins for the red and likely decreasing wins for the blue.

    It's not that BYU is incapable of competing with Utah's schedule necessarily, but they have had a few too many built in wins on their schedule to brag about finishing ahead of Utah record wise the last two years. Don't forget head to head Cougars. Plus from 2005-2010, Kyle was one game up overall on Bronco. Since the independence thing and PAC 12 shift, Bronco has surged ahead. Isn't that a significant barometer for comparing records.

    In 2011 BYU finished 10-3 and Utah 8-5. I argue Utah was better, but BYU fans pump up the 10 win season. Utah beat BYU 54-10 in Provo that year. And of BYU's ten wins, seven of those came against UCF, San Jose State, Idaho State, Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. That schedule makes the MWC one look difficult. 10 wins is a given for Utah with that schedule.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 10:59 p.m.

    gdog3finally:

    EXACTLY! BYU fans are just sour over the fact that Utah has had the upper hand in the rivalry for awhile. Bronco's only legitimate win vs a top 25 team was Oklahoma. And that was after Bradford went down and OU turned out to be pretty mediocre. BYU flails in the big games historically. Fact and logic always prevail.

  • Atrix Vancouver, WA
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:01 p.m.

    @ GoRed

    Do you know anything about your own team? Since 2011 the U has had 5 players to Boise States 10 drafted in the NFL.
    Utah since 2011: Boise St since 2011:
    Round(1)= 1 Player Round (1): 4 Players
    Round(3)= 1 Player Round (2-3): 4 Players
    Rounds(5-7)= 3 Players Other Rounds: 2 Players

    Sure looks to me like a little MWC school from Idaho puts more in the NFL as of late than Utes do. want facts? There are your facts. BSU loads up on 2-3 star recruits every year. Nobody goes to BYU for the NFL, they go for more important reasons. And if a player really wanted a shot at the NFL...well I would easily look at BSU over the Bottom of the PAC.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    Zelph:
    "Fact and logic always prevail".

    Thank goodness they do. Fact: Utah has (now) 30 players in the NFL. Fact: Utah is 7-11 in the PAC12 against many pac12 teams that have less NFL players (and no, I'm not adopting ASU or Washington, just stating FACTS). The 64,000 dollar question is...where is the logic in that? More talent should equate to more wins, unless there's a difficiancy in coaching, which no ute fan seems willing to admit (I wouldn't either because I like Whitt too). Why ute fans?...why do u have a losing record with NO wins against winning PAC12 teams and yet have more than the avg PAC12 teams' NFL talent? Like I said, frustrating if I'm a ute fan.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    @Zelph,

    I tend to think the fact that BYU took Bradford out for several games had something to do with Oklahoma's fall. Its one of those things about playing tough games. Players that teams need get hurt and then their teams don't do so well. This is the number one reason I hate the rivalry game in September. Utah puts way more heart and passion into that game than BYU has and after they beat the Y, fade away due to injuries or whatever. It is also why Utah hasn't been good overall since joining the PAC. Utah has to establish more depth than they had in the MWC to stay competitive.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:13 a.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    Utah's pro talent is certainly impressive, but I guarantee a lot of 18 yr olds want to win and contend for championships. Is Utah their best choice in those terms? Surely they ask the same question BYU fans ask...if U have so much talent, how do U go 5-7 and bowless? This has to be the most frustrating issue for ute fans.

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    Which fans?

    The die-hard Ute fans? They understand it will take time to compete in the PAC-12.

    The bandwagon fans? They probably jumped off last year.

    The Ute haters? They can't seem to get passed the ONE bowl-less season out of the last 10. Over the last 10 years, 90% have been winning seasons and bowl wins.

  • Tyler McArthur South Jordan, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:47 a.m.

    Using number of NFL players as a yardstick for talent is problematic. It assumes that all players are actively trying to play professional football after college.

    Perhaps BYU and USU players with equal talent have priorities other than pro football upon graduation?

    I don't see this variable controlled for, so it can't be ruled out.

  • Top5Alive salt lake city, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 7:02 a.m.

    don't matter to me if they become superstars in the league, only person out of the state of Utah that actually made an impact recently was either Pita, Kruger or even Nagota from highland high.

  • 10CC Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 7:53 a.m.

    That Utah has that many players in the NFL, mostly from their time in the MWC is a testament to smart recruiting, coaching and player development. That's a big part of how Utah got to the PAC to begin with.

    The first couple of years in the new conference have been a wakeup call, but there has been a bump in recruiting from being in the PAC, and the biggest difference now is greater depth.

    The Utes should be able to get back to a bowl game this year and do a little better in the PAC, but I don't think anyone's under the delusion that we're going to run the table anytime soon. Almost nobody does that in the PAC, it's a brutally competitive league.

    The team's very young, the schedule got tougher this year, but the team should rebound a bit from last year's struggles.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @atrix...."How does BYU find success without all the NFL talent? It must come down to the coaching and teamwork aspect of football."

    You can't be serious or are you serious? If so thanks for giving me a good laugh. How does BYU find success......LOL it's been 3 decades since they have had any success. They can never do any better than the vegas bowl or the kraft fight hunger nobody cares bowl. Then they lose about half of those....Let us know Atrix when the Y actually does have some succes. If Bronco wants he could probaly make the short drive up to have Kyle mentor him on how to take a team to a BCS bowl, win it, go undefeated and send several players to the next level.

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Get over yourselves.....utah has had a run, but nothing like BYU in the 70-80's.........and the big names speak for themselves!

    Ute fans are worried going forward and for good reason.......sub 500 for the next 3 years will make the Utes reminiscent of the 70's and empty the stands. USU is better than UTES this year.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    "Perhaps BYU and USU players with equal talent have priorities other than pro football upon graduation?"

    LOL

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @uteology

    "Over the last 10 years, 90% have been winning seasons and bowl wins."

    Nope. Redo your math.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    Uteology:
    Are you trying to say that going 7-11 with as much or more NFL talent than other PAC12 schools isn't frustrating for you? You're a better man than me. It would be frustrating to me. Do not mistake me for a ute hater, I'm not. Utah's lack of production isn't something I sneer about or want to happen. It something I find puzzling. And it isn't just 1 yr...7-11, predictions at another sub .500 season this yr in the PAC12. This is Utah's 4th recruiting class after announcing the jump to the PAC12 and 3rd yr on the field against the PAC12. At what point do Utah fans say, ok adjustment period over, we want to see wins, especially against teams with winning records?

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 11, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    I'm confused, is the goal of college football to get players in the NFL, or is it to win games?

    Don't get me wrong, I enjoy watching BYU players like Collie and Pitta and even Utah's Weddle play on Sunday, because I know them from their college days. But ultimately I'd rather see BYU with 10+ wins (against a decent schedule like they have they next few years) and no drafted players, than I would to see them go 5 - 7, sitting home in December, with several players drafted.

    Frankly, I'm pleased that both BYU and Utah have graduated from the MWC. But neither team will get respect as a top tier program until they start winning 10+ games consistently and knocking off some powerhouse programs. Utah's last big win was against Alabama, and BYU's last big win was against Oklahoma.

    I believe if you survey football fans in general, outside of Utah and Idaho, and asked if BYU, Boise St or Utah has the best football program, Boise State would win by a landslide.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis ...

    re: "Utah puts way more heart and passion into that game than BYU"

    This doesn't jive with everything we've been hearing from BYU players in the past year. Van Noy has led people to believe that getting a chance to finally beat Utah is the main reason he came back ... same for Hoffman. Not to mention the recent interviews where players were asked what the biggest game on their schedule was ... Van Noy's answer? "You know which game it is." To which the reporter said, "Utah?" and Van Noy replied, "Absolutely!"

    So enough with the excuse that BYU just doesn't try as hard. You've got to admit, that's the weakest excuse for a loss in the entire book of excuses. Pretty sad if your team doesn't give it's all no matter who the opponent is.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    Uteology,

    Duckhunter is correct, the number is no 90%.

    Utah has won a bowl game 8 of the past 10 seasons. Utah played in 9 bowls having missed only one (last year) and having lost only one (to a very good Boise St team while Utah played without their starting quarterback).

    Obviously winning a bowl game 80% of the time over the past 10 years has got to be among the best in the country ... especially when you figure in that 2 of those were BCS bowls.

  • Wayne Rout El Paso, TX
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    This is a nice accomplishment for Utah and certainly has some bragging rights associated with it. It is not really an apples to apples comparison because there are far different standards at BYU. The focus at BYU for admission and graduation is far different in Provo. I think the better story is how Utah compares so well with Michigan and other state schools. It seems like they are doing very well. So if academics are not your thing and you want a 4 year career in the NFL Utah might be a very good choice. It is certainly a point to make when recruiting players that have goals that fit best with a state school.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    I agree with motorbike, any fan of the red or blue is lying to themselves and everyone else if they say they don't care about the holy war. I think plenty has been said, and mostly correct, that neither teams needs the other to have a successful season/future, but to try and minimize and say we don't care, all the while posting time and again about each other is just silly and disingenuous. This is a big game for both Utah and BYU players especially those that played HS in the state.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    All that NFL talent and the Utes still aren't good enough to beat the only WAC team on their schedule to qualify for a bowl or beat a single team in the PAC with a winning record.

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    As far as bowls go, a mediocre Utah team beating an even more mediocre opponent in a bowl doesn't prove anything, which is why most of Utah's bowl winning teams have been UNRANKED.

    Win or lose, BYU finishes in the rankings far more often than the Utes simply because BYU was better going into the bowl and played better bowl competition.

    Average Sagarin ranking of BCS era bowl opponents:

    BYU - 36 (19,13,27,29,24,33,24,34,121,35,66)
    Utah - 45 (54,37,51,55,41,65,74,6,46,6,56)

    Even with UTEP scewing BYU's average, BYU's average is significantly better than Utah's average bowl opponent. Nine of BYU's eleven bowl opponents were ranked at least 10 places higher than Utah's average. Only two of Utah's eleven bowl opponent were ranked higher than BYU's average, and U only beat one of them.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    Wayne Rout,

    ........So if academics are not your thing and you want a 4 year career in the NFL Utah might be a very good choice........

    You are joking about the academic thing, right? Utah's recently released APR was one of the highest in the PAC 12 and significantly higher than BYU. Seems as though Utah is not only putting guys in the NFL but graduating them too from a recognized world class university.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    @cougiefaninTX..."Utah's last big win was against Alabama, and BYU's last big win was against Oklahoma."

    Big difference that was a mediocre Oklahoma team can the Albama team was top 5 and went on to 3 nat titles following that loss.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    Tyler McArthur
    South Jordan, UT

    Using number of NFL players as a yardstick for talent is problematic. It assumes that all players are actively trying to play professional football after college.

    Perhaps BYU and USU players with equal talent have priorities other than pro football upon graduation?

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    If they had equal talent they would at least get drafted. For example, BYU's Eli Herring who was drafted in the 1995 6th round but never played due to religious reasons. Since I can't find any other player that was considered a NFL prospect but never played I can safely assume your assumption wrong.

    Another variable to judge talent is class rankings. You'll find that BYU's class rankings as compared to the PAC-12 are at rock bottom. BYU's NFL talent is also rock bottom as compared to the PAC-12.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    @TroyTown

    As far as bowls go, a mediocre Utah team beating an even more mediocre opponent in a bowl doesn't prove anything, which is why most of Utah's bowl winning teams have been UNRANKED.

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    Nope. As stated over, and over again...

    During the BCS era:

    36% of Utah’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
    55% in the AP top 30

    27% of BYU’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
    36% in the AP top 30 (55% in top 35)

    The difference, Utah went 10-1 (91%) and BYU 6-5 (55%)

    @Ducky

    Please do the math to verify, I might be slightly off.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    Thank goodness they do. Fact: Utah has (now) 30 players in the NFL. Fact: Utah is 7-11 in the PAC12 against many pac12 teams that have less NFL players (and no, I'm not adopting ASU or Washington, just stating FACTS). The 64,000 dollar question is...where is the logic in that?

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    If you want logic then here's what ESPN says:

    "Our preseason hype last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the right direction."

    Early indications show that Utah has improved depth at OL, QB, RB, TE, and WR. Lets see in two years where we are when this mostly freshman and sophomores have PAC-12 game experience.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    @dutchman

    "Utah's recently released APR was one of the highest in the PAC 12 and significantly higher than BYU."

    Let's examine that shall we?

    As utah "fans" like yourself like to tell us BYU's superior win totals in football the last several years are simply a product of their inferior schedule in relation to utah's superior schedules. Ok if that is your take then the same is true in relation here. utah's football players superior APR is a direct result of their schools INFERIOR academic requirements to most of the PAC12 and to BYU. That isn't arguable by the way, utah's requirements are inferior to most of the pac12 and to BYU. All of those schools are recognized as tougher and more rigorous academically than utah with far tougher classes and far tougher entrance requirements.

    Since I know you don't want to be recognized as a hypocrite and you want things to be presented as they truly are then you will of course acknowledge this, since it IS the truth, and we can all put this issue to rest.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @uteology

    I already did the math and pointed it out to you. Motorbike then confirmed it. And in matters of math there is no such thing as "slightly off". You are either right or wrong, math is a precise science. Long story short, you're wrong.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 5:13 p.m.

    No way this is accurate. We have way more talent and NFL playres.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Uteology

    "During the BCS era:

    36% of Utah’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
    55% in the AP top 30"

    You're not even close; cite the teams and AP rankings of each Utah bowl opponent since 1998.

    The average and individual Sagarin rankings prove that your AP percentages are way off:

    Utah - 45 (54,37,51,55,41,65,74,6,46,6,56)

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Duckhunter,

    You didn't offer any evidence. Please put your evidence on the table and confirm it with the admissions office of each school you cite. If BYU's admission requirements are so tough then student athletes should find no problem navigating the course work to a degree. I earned a BA at Utah and a Masters at BYU and I found no difference in the level of difficulty in my courses between Utah and BYU.

  • scenic view Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 11, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    "Our preseason hype last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the right direction."

    It's laughable the changes in narrative Utah fans have had since joining the PAC.

    Five years ago, after beating Alabama, Utah fans were beating their chests and claiming that Utah could play with anybody.

    Three years ago, Utah fans were claiming that Utah would be playing in the Rose Bowl soon than later.

    Today, Utah fans have accepted reality that Utah simply isn't competitive, but claiming that new facilities are going to propel the Utes to the top of the conference in the very near future.

    Total spin.

    The truth is, the PAC 12 big boys are also improving their facilities and there is no incremental advantage for Utah. Utah will NEVER be able to out recruit USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, and Arizona State on a regular basis.

    It's all talk; but no walk.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    It's unbelievable how some BYU fans can come onto an article on Ute football and somehow try to raise an argument concerning the Utes' domination over BYU's program concerning sending players to the NFL. Utah has 31 players currently on NFL rosters as opposed to BYU's 13. Every other topic, such as Sagarin ratings, college admittance scores, etc. are totally irrelevant and has nothing to do with the topic.

    Utah is sending more than twice the players to the NFL than BYU. Advantage Utah. Period.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    Lots of comments from a midmajor school. Jealous much?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    @SportsFan

    You're not even close; cite the teams and AP rankings of each Utah bowl opponent since 1998.

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    Here you go.

    Top AP 35 Bowl Opponents in BCS era (pre and post bowl game AP rankings):

    2003: Utah 17 Southern Miss 0 (AP #28 - final AP #42)
    2004: Utah 35 Pitt 7 (#19 - #25)
    2005: Utah 38 GTech 10 (#24 - unranked)
    2008: Utah 31 Bama 17 (#4 - #6)
    2010: Utah 3 Boise 26 (#10 - #9)
    2011: Utah 30 GTech 27 (#30 - unranked)

    1999: BYU 3 Marshall 21 (AP #11 - final AP #10)
    2001: BYU 10 Louisville 28 (#23 - #17)
    2005: BYU 28 Cal 35 (#31 - #25)
    2009: BYU 44 OSU 20 (#16 - #27)
    2011: BYU 24 Tulsa 21 (#34 - unranked)
    2012: BYU 23 SDSU 3 (#30 - unranked)

    Glad to help.

  • MUSSing with U Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 11, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but FINAL rankings are the ONLY rankings that count.

    BYU beat then #3-ranked Pittsburgh to open the 1984 season and beat then #3-ranked Oklahoma to open the 2009 season, yet nobody considers either of those opponents a ranked opponent.

    It doesn't matter when you drop out of the rankings; you're either ranked in the final rankings or you're not.

    It's laughable that Utah fans compare SOS for the entire season, yet try to pull a fast one when comparing bowl opponents.

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 11:27 p.m.

    There are lies, darned lies, and statistics.
    Mark Twain

    The thing none of these statistics does is show what school/coaching staff does the best job of INCREASING a prospects chances of being drafted, or of winning, for that matter.

    In the Lavell Edwards era, San Diego regularly put more players into the NFL, and rarely beat BYU. USC puts more players into the NFL. How do their NFL placements compare to their recruiting (according to the beloved ranking systems) and their W/L record? What school does the best/worst job at winning given the talent they have? (I'm going to guess Boise State ranks highly there.)

    Dig a little deeper, Rock.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 11, 2013 11:44 p.m.

    @Ducky

    From what I can find on academics...

    Utah 2011 - Academic Rankings:

    Rank Category -Ranking Institution

    8 Nursing (Midwifery) -U.S. News & World Report (USNWR)
    5 Family Medicine -USNWR
    9 Physical Therapy -USNWR
    16 Pharmacy -USNWR
    21 City & Metropolitan Planning - Academic Analytics
    22 Biomedical/Bioengineering -USNWR
    22 Accounting - Public Accounting Report (PAR)
    26 Medical School for Primary Care -USNWR
    30 Science -USNWR
    30 Mathematics -USNWR
    36 Nursing -USNWR
    36 Chemistry -USNWR
    36 Audiology -USNWR
    39 Computer Sciences -USNWR
    42 Law -USNWR
    44 David Eccles School of Business -USNWR
    45 Earth Sciences -USNWR
    53 Chemical Engineering -USNWR
    53 Electrical/Electronic/Communications Engineering -USNWR
    53 College of Social Work -USNWR
    54 Medical School for Research -USNWR
    56 Biology -USNWR
    57 Clinical Psychology -USNWR
    60 College of Engineering -USNWR
    63 Physics -USNWR

    ...

    I can go on but I think you get the point.

    All I could find from BYU's own website was:

    #3 Accounting -Wall Street Journal
    #4 Entrepreneurship -Entrepreneur
    #5 Public Relations Program -PR Week Magazine
    #11/#34 Undergraduate business programs -Bloomberg/USNWR
    #16/#33 MBA -Forbes/USNWR
    #42 Law School -USNWR
    #59 Mechanical engineering specialty -USNWR

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 12:45 a.m.

    Uteology,

    What I got out of that was that BYU outranks Utah by 33 places in business schools, 19 places in accounting schools, is even in law schools. What I learned elsewhere is BYU is #10 in sending students to medical school, and I'm confident that many of Utah's medical school rankings are very much elevated by BYU grads. :-)

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 8:20 a.m.

    Uteology

    So when BYU has a better record than Utah against a weaker SOS, it's not because BYU was better, it's because BYU played a weaker schedule.

    But, when Utah has a better bowl record than BYU against weaker opponents, it's not because Utah played weaker opponents, it's because Utah was better.

    Gotta laugh at the inconsistent spin from the hill.

    What your analysis fails completely to answer is how BYU can LOSE a bowl game, but still be ranked, while Utah can WIN a bowl game, but still be unranked.

    AP Top 25 Finishes during the BCS era

    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    Bronco has had as many AP Top 25 finishes in the last 7 years (2006, 2007, 2008, 2009), as Utah has had during the entire BCS era.

    Obviously, the rest of the country isn't nearly as impressed with Utah's "amazing" bowl record as the kids on the hill.

  • Mormon Ute Kaysville, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Oh, the jealousy from BYU fans is so thick on this board you can cut it with a knife.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 8:56 a.m.

    Mormon Ute

    What jealousy?

    That having a bunch of NFL players still hasn't helped U finish in the Top 25, beat a single PAC team with a winning record, or even beat the only WAC team on your schedule to qualify for a bowl?

    Is that what we're supposed to be jealous of?

  • ExecutorIoh West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 9:26 a.m.

    Too bad that much of those NFL spots from Utah came as a result of Urban Meyer's coaching or recruiting. That season has passed, my friends. It is no different than BYU bragging about Steve Young's career in the NFL. If you want to brag about people you put in the NFL, show your efforts, not the success of your predecessor.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    @Rational

    And from this article you learned that BYU is equivalent to Washington State in sending players to the NFL.

    @LonestarRunner

    The argument wasn't about final rankings. A known Ute hater continues to argue from one article to another that Utah has played "mediocre bowl teams". Which is wrong. His own team has played a weaker opponents and has gone 6-5 compared to Utah at 10-1.

    Apparently you haven't been paying attention:

    * CBS Sports was impressed last decade: Utah #10 (BYU #27)
    * Tennessee, Miami, and ASU were impressed: Kyle Whittingham was a candidate for the open coaching positions

    In the BCS era, BYU has then no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly "no BCS Bowl game wins", less NFL talent, and tanking class rankings.

    Thankfully, you still turn out memorable slogans: "Quest for Perfection", "Band of Brothers", "Tradition, Sprit, Honor".

    @ExecutorIoh: "Too bad that much of those NFL spots from Utah came as a result of Urban Meyer's coaching or recruiting."

    What a lazy comment, not even worth debating. Take your time to research and then try again.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 12, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    Congrats to Utah. I hope they are thanking Urban Myer. The pro period is cooling off for them. Last year only two players were drafted, BYU 1 and that's because Van Noy decided to stay.

    No doubt Utah has had a decade of success but it is fading. Especially if they have another losing season.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    CougFaninTX - Is the goal of a college education to get a job upon graduation or to get good grades while you are in school? Just curious.

  • ZelphExists Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 12, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    LonestarRunner: "Obviously, the rest of the country isn't nearly as impressed with Utah's "amazing" bowl record as the kids on the hill."

    The PAC12 presidents and Larry Scott disagree. It's gonna be hysterical when the D4 is formed and BYU is left out in the cold forever.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    Aug. 12, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    Has the banter seriously turned to who has more players in the NFL? At the end of the day, the U has beaten the Y 3 years in a row and 7 out of 10. Nuff said. As a BYU fan, that's the only thing that matters year over year. BYU has to win this year or it will be a decade of futility against our rival.

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Aug. 12, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    ***Aprox***

    in the past 3-4 years USU has equaled or beat every other school in the state for Players DRAFTED!

    Go Aggies.