First, this is just sad and I'm happy it's being brought to light.Second, why would you give someone, even a friend or family member,
investment money in a grocery store parking lot and/or without documentation?
Once again, frauds, scams, and schemes seem to be abundant in Happy Valley.
Heinz "may eventually face criminal charges". May?I guess
this sort of thing explains the frustrations felt by Americans concerning our
I believe that people who claim to be Christian and use their religious
connections to dupe people out of their money will eventually pay a bigger price
than those who never claimed to follow God's teachings. One thing was
clear in the Bible, Christ was patient with the sinner but not the hypocrite.
I would say this guy is in a bit of trouble...
Other than his victims who were elderly, I don't know how people get
suckered into these schemes.
Stealing is bad enough on its own, but stealing from the elderly? Absolute
I'm sorry to say this but Utah has more pyramids in it than Egypt...
Everybody has the key idea to unlock the Golden Return Gates... All they need is
your money and everyone will be rich... I'm a member of the
church and I live out of state, and I wish I had $5 for everytime someone living
in Utah approached me with an idea of how to make millions by spending my
money...It's really kind of sad... It's sad because these
people paint the church and what we stand for in orrible colors for the world to
see. The church in Utah really needs to clean up this perception.
This type of problem still keeps raising its ugly head. One would think people
would be more aware. Unfortunately, it continues to perpetuate itself.
Not another one! Why are so many people suckered into these scams? Doesn't
anybody go to reputable investment professionals? No, they don't promise
the outrageous returns BECAUSE THOSE RETURNS ARE IMPOSSIBLE. People are being
undone by their own greed. You can't get more than the markets will offer.
There is no way around that folks.
"Calls to Steven Heinz were not immediately returned Thursday."Go
Utah County seems to be infiltrated with Ponzi schemes. This type of activity,
unfortunately, is the dark of the predominate culture. There is a culture in
Utah County to get rich quick. After all it is the mecca of multi level
marketing companies which are all about getting rich quick. This man's
horrible behavior is an offshoot of this culture and group think.
The elderly are just as greedy as everyone else.No sympathy for
someone seeking a 120% return
@patriot,"I would say this guy is in a bit of trouble..."
Really? Just a bit of trouble? I think it's more like he's in a boat
load of doodoo. Stealing from the elderly? Despicable!
Just wondering - is/was he a member of The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day
Saints? The Deseret News is always quick to mention when people are LDS and
engaged in good works. Turnabout's fair play. Let's also make of note
of when LDS folks, if he is LDS, are accused of swindling family and friends and
fellow church members.
Kings Court,I've seen for myself 100x more corruption in the
Salt Lake Valley. Utah Valley isn't perfect and crime exists everywhere.
But statistically Utah Valley isn't nearly as abundant with problems as
Salt Lake. Maybe people in Utah Valley are more trusting and willing to buy
stuff in parking lots, making it newsworthy. I'd believe that. But as for
the rest, Salt Lake has far more problems and far more people that are tolerant
of those problems.
Wolf in sheeps clothing. I believe the bible scriptures mention something of
this "Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep’s clothing,
but inwardly they are ravening wolves."It seems to me that while
this man might not have been too outlandish claims but at the same time people
sometimes just trust people just because they are "LDS". There are
plenty of "LDS" people that I wouldn't trust.It just
weird that people would give your life savings to someone in a grocery store
Seriously, just because someone is in your ward doesn't mean you can trust
them. I've never understood handing over my lives savings just because
someone lives in the same neighborhood and goes to the same church.
My heart goes out to the elderly people that lost money. I can't say that I
ever here much about ponzi schemes happening back here like there is out there.
If someone else asked me to meet in a parking lot for transactions id think they
were nuts. It Seems so commonplace out there which is sad. But if something
promises high rates of returns, its to good to be true. I hope they throw the
book at him, but if they only file federal charges against him hed probably go
to a nice posh federal prison where it doesn't seem like he's in
Are you honest in your dealings with your fellow man?
My wife and I were young professionals who wanted to make our family's
future more secure and were approached by the son of a close friend and ward
member with a long term investment plan. They had well printed documents,
charts and graphs, told us they had the backing of well known banking and
investment firms and to really convince us the testimonials of BYU professors
and their wives. So we invested for several years but no dividends every showed
up. Then we read of the company being investigated in another State. We have
tried to be more careful since then but the sting of being deceived by friends
and Church members never goes away.
Thank you, sjcThe elderly didn't get gullible and greedy as
they aged; they started out that way and didn't change. It's
child-like.But people who live by "blind faith" in corporate
religions and who see their volunteer religious leaders as truthful and Godlike,
are going to put their greed blinders on and fall for everything scam that comes
down the pike.THIS IS A TWO-BANGER DAY, FOLKS. Check the
Trib. Martin A. Pool and Armand R. Franquelin ran a $12 million scam..
Every time I hear about another Utah county church goer who takes advantages of
others through their church relationship I think of what Jesus said:"By their fruits ye shall know them"Speaks volumes
"The elderly are just as greedy as everyone else."Spoken
like someone who doesn't spend much time with the elderly.It is
truly sad that this kind of problem keeps coming up, where trusting neighbors or
people in your ward is an issue. But this is the exact reason I don't do
business with members when ever possible... because I don't want to have
any negative feelings towards those I worship with.Separation of
church and business... I wish it wasn't necessary, but it is a fact of
life. Has nothing to do with the faith... but speaks to the weakness of a few
in the faith. Humans will be human.
To Poyman, I live in Utah and have never been approached. I guess you have
that look about you. It is sad when things like this arise. I'm sure not
just in Utah.
If someone needs to say i am of certain faith, or say i am family, do this for
me. You will be much better off saying no and going a different direction.
People use positions all the time to get people to buy things or vote for them
just because they are the same religion. If they have to use their religion
instead of their own merits they are hiding something.
The issue is not culture but affinity. Hence the term affinity fraud. When you
have a large group of people who share a common bond, affinity fraud is more
prevalent.Bernie Madoff had a significant number of Jewish victims
due to his relationships in that community. And that was one of the biggest
Ponzi schemes ever. Can we then conclude that Jews are more subject to affinity
I am constantly amazed at how little people understand basic rules of investing.
Folks, a high rate of return = exceptional risk. If someone is offering you a
"guaranteed" return several times over whatever you can get in a CD at
Zions Bank or the like, you should run the other way. Ask yourself why a person
would pay you several times the percentage they could get at the bank for a
business loan, or for margin trading, etc. The real reason why you are being
offered such a "great" opportunity is because no-one with the
wherewithal to do real financial and legal diligence would loan/invest the
money, or because they think they can rip you off before you will figure it out.
Maybe on occasion someone involved in one of these schemes gets lucky, but if
someone approaches you with an offer to make a ridiculous return, your chances
of coming out ahead are very slim indeed.
My advice - when someone refers to you as Brother/Sister Whomever and talks
about money in the same sentence - RUN FOR YOUR LIFE!
This happens every few months, or at least makes the news that often.People...invest with a licensed, bonded brokerage.The red flag is
a promise of returns you can't get anywhere else.While I feel
sorry for the victims, they have only themselves to blame.Don't
cut checks to a "friend" who promises quick, high returns...Jeeeeez.
Seriously, people? What is it with Utah (particularly Utah Valley) and making
absolutely braindead decisions to invest in what are OBVIOUS bad investments
with OBVIOUSLY crooked people? I'm 26 years old, and I can spot these guys
10 miles away. I've even had some good friends who I thought would know
better get their fingers pinched in this stuff (thankfully, I think they
realized where they went wrong before too much damage was done). My father in
law who is otherwise a smart and decent fellow is neck deep in MLM schemes and
just can't figure out why he can't get rich. I just don't get
it. But it's just sad that A) you have to carefully vet the people you can
trust--even those who are your neighbors, friends, and go to your church, and B)
that people still AREN'T careful and end up falling for this stuff, just
because it was someone from church or whatever. Unbelievable.
If it sounds too good to be true, well it guess what, it is.
Tattoo " Convicted of investment fraud." on his forehead. That way he
can never do it again.
Twin Lights:I get the concept of affinity fraud but I think these
things go a bit deeper in the LDS culture unfortunately. Often times people use
positions of authority in the church to influence things along, not sure Maddoff
used his authority within the Jewish community in this regard, probably was just
Jewish and many of his victims were Jewish. But what often happens where I live
here in Utah County is people trust people because of their "calling".
Or that they served a mission with so and so who says he's a great guy
(that one is used a lot). What is happening is that one is using connections
through past missionary service or callings or even relationships to general
authorities or family members of general authorities to project a position of
somebody they should trust. One expects a former bishop or even a returned
missionary to have a current temple recommend. To have one of those, one has to
say they are honest in their dealings with their fellow man. Nobody wants to
think a former member of the bishopric is going to rip them off. But in Utah
County this seems more problematic.
@Poyman - So if you got $5 for every time someone approached you with an idea
how to make millions, what would you have? Maybe $15 or $20, I really
don't see the logic in hoping for $5 for each time.Second,
"....The church in Utah really needs to clean this up." I am assuming
you are referring to the church offices in SLC. Why should they be responsible
for it, why not as members does it not get cleaned up. There is bad in every
faith, not just the LDS faith. Other churches dont clean it up for their
members so why should ours. Be held accountable for our own actions. This guy
will pay, probably mentally, physically and monetarily. Lets just let justice
do its thing.There was another poster that was upset with the fact
that he "may" be in trouble. Charges haven't been pressed yet.
All those people will have to press charges that he hosed. They have to say
"may" until he is formerly charged.
Saint George is laced with these kind of people. From Amway (which isn't a
ponzi scheme) it's "multilevel". Hope we're teaching kids to
watch out for these people. Look at his picture- What does a scam artist look
like????Watch for anyone that says: Buy from me because...1. I'm a member of your church 2. I hold a temple recommend3.
Solution1. Beware of predators2. Get a job3. Save 10%4. Pay your tithing
One of the reasons these kinds of things keep happening here in Utah is that
often the perpetrators are never punished. Some of the fraudsters are so clever
that they set things up perfectly to rip off their victims and then walk away
scott-free. They never pay the price for the lives they have ruined. It's
disgusting.I'm always satisfied to read about the guys who are
actually caught and prosecuted. Wish this state had enough guts to go after
everyone but they don't. They only seem to be interested in the "big
fish" and the rest of us are deemed "small potatoes". I know all of
this too well from an unfortunate personal experience.
He stole millions and he MAY get criminal charges pressed against him?? Wow. You
shoplift at wal-mart and you will face criminal charges. You steal from a home
you will get criminal charges. But scam people out of millions... eh, may get
criminal charges. No wonder people keep doing this fraud.. the price to pay if
you get caught is low, and the rewards are very high. I am in the wrong
Wouldn't it be super funny if he weren't LDS...I mean it doesn't
actually say in the article that he's LDS. I guess we can assume, but
assumptions aren't always correct, are they?
Rather than, "The elderly are just as greedy", it might be more accurate
to say "Greedy people grow old too".Anyway, to those wealthy
elderly folks. Rather than try to make astronomical returns on your money, how
about finding a company that is trying to do something good in the world and
invest in it. There are fewer companies trying to make a difference and
I'm sure they would welcome your support.Too many people trying
to make money and too few people trying to make the world a better place.
I have some investments I'd like to sell you. I can guarantee you a 50
percent return, no risk. Warren Buffett is buying these up by the boatload. Just
call this phone num . . .
Chris B:You love to blow your anti-LDS horn, don't you. In
Utah County, most people go to church. So when someone there commits a crime,
odds are they are a church member. Statistically, crime is actually lower in
Utah County than almost anywhere in the country. The real story
here isn't some red-herring about what church the guy goes to, but is a
story about greed and its consequences. Greedy evil people who take advantage
of others through deceit and theft are just that, greedy evil people. And
greedy, naive people who ignore risk and invest in "too good to be true"
promises of returns are more likely to be taken advantage of than those who do
their due diligence, stay diversified, and invest in low-cost, quality
investments with reasonable return expectations.I am sick of people
with an agenda trying to turn everything into a talking point for that agenda,
be it politicians, or people who dislike a particular religion.
A couple of years ago I visited my parents in law and found them under the
water. They told me they had lost $100K. They trusted someone at their ward and
it resulted to be a Ponzi schema. While hearing the story, I asked them why they
decided to take the risk of investing. Answer was not greedy at all. What they
had saved with much sacrifice may look like a big amount but thanks to the
current economy, it's just peanuts. Looking for increasing that amount,
they (HS diplomas and still believing your word means something) decided to take
the "risk" not knowing it was a Ponzi schema. So no, it's not
greedy. It's the need of trying to make sure they will have a decent life
when older and not having to beg to children for support. And I know of others
that after helping the kids, they find they don't have enough and then they
go looking for a way to invest their little savings. Those are the victims of
people such as this guy. I hope he and his wife receive the sentence they so
My father as well, was duped to invest into property in Hawaii by a Bishop(one
he trusted) and he lost the $80,000 he invested. It was devastating - that was
their savings. It seems these days, it becomes more of a question than fact of
"who can be trusted". The prospect of not being cheated is becoming more
of a reality. It's a shame - but those that cheat, lie and deceive will
meet their Maker...I will feel no pity for their selfishness and greed.
Just another case of a good old Mormon boy trying to keep up with his peers.
These people groom their victims to develop trust and confidence. Then, when
they act in suspicious ways and conniving ways, the victim doesn't question
their motives and trusts that all is well. Not only do tney groom the victim,
they groom everyone around them to believe their are good and trustworthy. Often
these awful individuals look too good to be true. They look nice, they act
successful, and they may even hold high church callings (become they've
postured and positioned themselves to be "righteous"). . . and they are
in reality very evil and slimy.
I might be able to offer insight into why people invest with people like this.
We had one of these people in my family, he operated through an evangelical
church. People thought of him as a "financial genius", a Christian and
he made a show of charity, charm and wealth. My immediate family refused to
invest which split the family to this day. If you were "against him" you
were called jealous, mean spirited, etc. When he was arrested and convicted that
side of the family blamed the "jealous" people for "framing
him." Thirty years have gone by and the rift remains between those who still
believe he is an angel and those who know the truth.
UteExpatNew York, NYAgreed. There's honest pay for hard
work, and the further one strays from that standard, the greater the risk. If
it really was easier, more people would be doing it.Every return
higher than normal comes at a cost.
Old quote but so true. "If it seems to good to be true it probably is".
How much income is he going to lose during ten years in prison. His family will
suffer the most, his children and his wife and his posterity for many years. He obviously forgot to consider consequences. How many lives will forever be
tortured by his actions? Can you imagine trying to regain trust and self
respect. Maybe these thoughts will stifle the greedy desires of others.
To the retired: Only deal with ri
I am never surprised when I hear something like this in "Happy Valley".
I have an uncle, who is always getting involved in these get rich schemes, and
yes he is from Orem. One time he even ripped many people in the family off by
putting everything in his son's name, instead of everyone else. He is
still to this day trying to get rich quick and trying to lure family members to
buy into his stuff. While he didn't do what this guy did and just take the
money to use for a lavish lifestyle, he did cheat to get more for himself. I
think more people just need to get normal jobs and stop trying to get rich so
fast. Most Millionaires worked really hard for what they have over years of
dedication to a legitimate business.
carmanHow is stating dislike for a certain religion any different
then stating that you do like a certain religion? Other then difference of
opinion it is no different. If he was promoting a certain religion would you
Utah in all likelyhood has the most myoptic and provincial people on earth,
while having the average number of frauds and schemes. The former are those that
only see child sexually abuse happening in SL and Utah counties, and that Utah
is the fraud capital of America with Washington and Uah counties the hot beds.
Of course if Mr Myopia read the Denver Post, KC Star, or Atlantic Constitution
he might find himself a fool and Atlanta, Philly, Kansas City is his new fraud
capital. People do not let your greed allow you to think someone can get you 50
times the return on investment as anyone else, never give money to an
unregistered seller of securities. On o e hand you deserve to lose it all for
your stupidity on the other this man and Trigger, Mr Ed or who the horse sitting
next to him may be called need to be locked up for a long time.
How much income will he lose during his ten years in prison?How much will
his children and his wife suffer? How will he ever regain the trust of those who
mean the most to him. He will be responsible for life to pay back those
who he deceived. He will never be free from the burden of debt he has created.
Never again will he be able to be licensed in Utah or elsewhere in a position of
trust. His posterity will remember this for many years.His head will
hang low and his eyes avoid direct contact. His only hope is a lot of
painful time followed by true repentance.TO Those who may be tempted or
who are now involved in something similar, consider these consequences.
Two things you should highly avoid doing. Don't loan money to family /
church members and don't invest with members / family.These two
things can really ruin your relationships with the people you most likely want
to have relationships with. It is hard for me to explain but it just changes
the dynamics of your relationships when you have money involved.There are plenty of honest, truthful, trustworthy, financially smart people
out there that aren't church members. The LDS church does not have a
monopoly on values. I believe a lot of members are honest but just because they
are honest doesn't mean they are good with financial decisions.Joseph Smith and the bank he setup early in the church is a perfect example of
This guy pulled a stunt on me when I moved into his LDS ward in the late
80's. He was serving as a councilor in a Bishopric, and he called me to see
if I was interested in an IRA and life insurance--before we had even attended
for the first time--because he had a chance to see our move-in records before we
attended!!!! Classic Northwestern nonsense. He is an embarrassment to his
church, his profession, and to his friends and family.
But he was always so neat! I gave him a lot of money because of that fact.
Can we have clear comments without the hate prejudice? Here are the facts:1. Heinz seems to be guilty of Ponzi schemes. Outrageous.2. These Ponzi
schemes are common place in many parts of the world and the US. No need to
single out Utah County except to fester your prejudices.3. The people who
invest in these should garner little sympathy beyond the prosecutor's
sycthe because they were either greedy or had turned their brain off.I'm very glad the D-News and others are making a big deal out of this.
Education is the best panacea for silly investors to learn not to do such
nonsense and jail is the best remedy for perpetrators.
They need to throw the book at people who perpetrate these types of the scams.
One of the reasons, besides greed and selfishness, people do this is because
they feel the benefits outweigh the bad consequences. People might think that
since they are not violent they should be dealt with leniently or because he is
a family man he shouldn't have to go to prison with the type of people over
in Point of the Mountain. But he is the type of person who is over in Point of
the Mountain, a criminal who doesn't care about anybody but himself.
Victims of financial crime may not have physical wounds but they are suffering
their own kind of hell. And to those who sit on their high horses and blame the
LDS church and say it's members are particularly gullible, this type of
thing happens in every state of the union, whether or not a person is religious.
Look at Bernie Madoff. Same thing and didn't that happen in New York?
There are people who are very good manipulating and fooling others and religious
affiliation or where one resides has nothing to do with it.
To Brahmabull:There is no difference. And it is ok to promote or
critique a position, party or religion. The key problem, however, is the
propensity of some folks to spin virtually every event into an argument that
supposedly supports their pet cause, be it politics, religion, race relations or
anything else, without any real connection. When it comes to the LDS Church, or
Republicans vs Democrats, it becomes too much of a temptation for many on these
boards to spin everything back to those pet causes.
Hugh Nibley wrote about our tendency to chase after things of the world in
"Approaching Zion." The book's primary thesis is the
phrase "Zion cannot be built on the economics of Babylon." He suggests that until we honestly accept the biblical injunction: "having
food and raiment, let us therewith be content," (1 Timothy 6:8) we, as a
people are unlikely to be free of predators intent on getting their hands on our
savings. It is astonishing how few people are tempted to "invest" in
schemes like these who are content with what they already have.Hugh
had a good point.
When will people in Utah finally get it? Don't give money to someone who
makes promises nobody else makes.
"It is astonishing how few people are tempted to "invest" in schemes
like these who are content with what they already have."Wow.... so that is why old people get suckered into these things. It
isn't because they are on fixed incomes, they are watching medical care and
inflation eat away at their savings, and they are scared they are going to out
live their retirement funds....nope..... it is because they are
greedy.Glad we got that clarified.
@poyman: I , too, am a member, living in AZ, and I could not agree with you
more. There seem to be so many members who want to "get rich quickly"
and have no qualms about cheating anyone in order to fulfill their ambitions. It
used to be quite a joke in the Phx area- don't ever do business with the
LDS because you will lose your money to a scheme. I am so ashamed to admit it
seemed to be a true concept. Not saying all LDS are crooked; that would be a
huge stretch, but, many, many have gotten involved in less than savory business
practices that reflect on all of us. What a shame. ,
The saddest part about this is that right now, you can get better returns than
he was offering in the stock market. There is an old adage, apparently not known
here in Utah, "if it seems to good to be true it probably is."
"In 2007, **he was disciplined** by the Utah State Division of Securities.
Heinz also holds an insurance license, and in 2009 **he was disciplined** by the
Utah Insurance Office for allegedly urging a client to lie to the state
commission."So, he was "disciplined" was he?From just the record shown above, not only did HE not learn his lesson,
neither did the State.
When I did a search on his name, I found an old article from 1999 urging people
not to vote for Steve Heinz for mayor of Orem. Same person? The complaint in
that article was that he never showed up to city council meetings, or came late
and left early, and then he wanted to be Mayor. It would seem he has had a poor
work ethic for years, if this is the same person.
Same guy? From the Deseret News 8-13-99 "Orem City Council
member Steve Heinz's announcement that he will file for the mayor's
position is an outrage. For seven and one-half years, he has occupied a seat on
the council. He has consistently had the worst attendance record of any of the
council members. His poor attendance at council meetings, study sessions, other
committees to which he is assigned and official public appearances has been
deplorable.Having regularly attended council meetings for five of
the last seven years, I have witnessed this personally. It is also on the public
record in the city recorder's office. When Mr. Heinz does attend, he often
comes late and leaves early, voting on items for which he has not attended
previous hearings or study sessions. His conduct is an affront to other city
council members who are committed and earn their pay, to dedicated staff
members, to the many volunteers who serve on city boards with no compensation
and to the taxpayers of Orem who have paid Mr. Heinz's salary. His lack of
commitment and demonstration of poor performance has long been grounds for a
resignation. Instead, he wants a promotion."
I knew this guy. He was a carefree kid who drove a vw bug. Now he's a
criminal. He didn't even have the courage to call his mother and let her
know before it hit the papers. Who knows what happened to him since those days,
though I could speculate it's all about greed and status on both his part
and his wife's part. She was always into finery and he was always into her.
It's a very sad story.Regardless of the group (or religion)
there's always going to be a full spectrum of people, from the most saintly
honest heart to the serial killer or child molester. We know that the LDS church
is no different, in that fact, than any other group. It shouldn't surprise
anyone that these stories surface about LDS members, it should be more
surprising that people continue to trust others based on a common belief system,
or DNA, or group affiliation. We just don't have that luxury, and maybe
One of the reasons that these ponzi schemes get so big is that members are
afraid to open their mounts and alert everyone. No one wants to be the person
that has to say Bro. So and So is a con artist Instead, they keep quiet and
then more people get swindled. While I have some empathy for those who lost
money, those who are greedy are the easiest to scam. If the return is way
better then what you can get elsewhere, at a minimum you are in a very risky
investment and more likely in a scam.
If Heinz really did what they claim then he really blew it. Instead, he should
have run for political office, given promises of unreasonable pensions to public
employee unions coupled with low tax rates for his constituents, started lots of
new government programs and gotten fat and happy off all of the political
contributions that came rolling in. Then, when the ponzi scheme falls apart
decades later, he will be enjoying his retirement and it will be the problem of
the person elected after him. Better yet, all of his constituents will have to
pay for it.Ponzi schemes are only illegal if they are not run by a
city, county, state or federal government. Just ask the people of Detroit, San
Bernardino, Stockton, etc.
I am LDS. My husband and I have always made it a practice not to do business
with friends, relatives, or other Church members. This article is a good
example of why we have that policy.
Not another Ponzi scheme in Utah Valley? How can this be. And he's a
Mormon, too! Seems the biggest money makers in that county are
multi-level marketers and Ponzi schemes...the former being a legal version of
the latter. It's simply passing money up the line.
Different Steve Heinz. Not the Steve Heinz that ran for Orem City Mayor or City
I agree with many of the comments. Once someone throws religion at you, turn
and run. As a church member, I am disgusted with how often this happens within
Sigggggggghhhhhhhh.....Why do people have to hyperventilate that
this jerk is a Mormon from Utah??I'd bet anyone within the
sound of my voice that the vast majority of scam artists in ROME, ITALY are
Catholic.I'd bet a very large sum of money that virtually every
dishonest, conniving criminal-businessman in RIYHAD, SAUDI ARABIA is Muslim.I'd bet my life on it that the vast majority of scam artists in
TELAVIV, ISRAEL are Jewish.I'd bet my left arm and leg that
pretty-much every businessperson conducting illegal or unethical business in
BEIJING, CHINA is Tao or Bhuddist.Need I go on?!Please
--I beg you-- get off of Utah Mormons backs when cases like this come up. Is it
even necesary to mention a criminal's religious affiliation? Why
don't we EVER seem to hear most criminals' or crooks'
religion.... EXCEPT if they are Mormon??Get a life! 8^)
Will somebody Pleeeeaaaaasssseeeee throw this guy in prison!!!! He's lied
his way through 20 years worth of business dealings. Enough with the reprimands!
It's time the State of Utah stopped him! For the sake of everybody, Utah,
do your job!!!!!!!!