The BYU haters are not going to like this or take it well!!! LOLGo
The drum logo is pivotal to the Utes though!!! Every comment from some of the
BYU detractors (eg Chris B, Howard, Naval) is about beating the PAC 12 drum of
"relevance" big and loud and then floating to the end of the season like
a falling feather. Beat the drum BOOM BOOM. Float like a feather to the ground
and go into the offseason without a sound. A very fitting logo.
Wow. The things people find to write articles about.
Coming from this Ute fan I actually do think that BYU has branded themselves
really well. The Y looks really good on helmets, shirts, shorts, etc. I would like to see the Utes try to modernize their brand somewhat.
Yay, another impressive victory of substance for the Coug's. Best logo!
Wow, sign em up for the title game already.No wait, Utah is already
there with their conference membership and recruiting wins.Why even
play the games? Both schools have already won it all. Let the chest beating
Ranking logos is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I looked at the
list and it made no sense to me--some of the most iconic logos didn't crack
the top 20 (Notre Dame, KU) while quite ordinary non-iconic ones made the top
ten (i.e. Clemson).
"Stretch Y logo as one of the "most recognizable in college
sports."Before moving to Utah, I honestly thought this was the Yale
logo. That's one way to be recognizable -- rip off a classic.
When it all comes down to it, this is a silly list. Outside of a few radicals,
this means very little to either side. BYU has a simple logo that has worked for
decades. The U has a logo that also has been around for a while. I have wondered
though if some Ute fans find the Drum and feather logo to be old or not totally
PC since they now just use the PAC 12 shield as their unofficial logo. All of
the time I will be driving and see someone with a red PAC 12 shield sticker, but
no actual logo for the school they are supporting.
Wow, DN: since when does a list of "Athlon Sports Art Director Matt
Taliaferro favorite football logos" turn into "BYU is winning the battle
with rival Utah"?Must be an extremely slow news day!Yawn!
Only in Utah County would the opinion of the Racing Editor for Athlon Sports be
Yet Utah somehow continues to sell more merchandise. I guess Coug fans are even
cheaper than we all thought!Seriously though, as a ute fan I'll admit
that the Y's logo is cool in a very classic kind if way.
Re: SoonerUte @ 1:28pm""Stretch Y logo as one of the
"most recognizable in college sports."Before moving to Utah, I
honestly thought this was the Yale logo. That's one way to be recognizable
-- rip off a classic."Sorry that you were so uniformed about
college football logos. BYU's logo goes right along with its recognizable
national brand; something your Utes do not have.Finally SoonerUte,
the only thing "ripped off" around here is the Utes' supposed
relevance from the PAC that only invited Utah for two reasons and that was 1)to
be a place holder in order to have a conference championship game and 2)the PAC
does not tolerate religious based institutions.
Sooner - I'm sure that's what BYU was thinking in 1907 when they
constructed the Y on the mountain - "we'll rip off a classic".
When Utah picked red as their color, were they thinking, "we'll rip off
a classic" from Oklahoma?
Always comical when a Ute fan tells us about BYU ripping off anything, while at
the same time they're displaying their impression of the Miami "U"
with both hands, or referencing Duke's famous basketball coach each time
they comment about Larry Krystkowiak.Silly little Ute brother, stick
to your generic red PAC-12 stickers and leave the nationally recognized branding
to the professionals down south.
I actually thought we ripped it off from Yahoo. Maybe they got it from us?
CougFaninTXFrisco, TXGood point.Besides, Yale took
the Y logo from us.
So, my Ute fans, is the Stretch Y recognizable because of BYUs national brand,
or does the Y have a national brand because of the Stretch Y? Inquiring minds
want to know what you think!Because it isn't like you insert
your opinion everywhere anyway...
9th in the PAC. Sounds about right although I was thinking 10th was a better
fit, record wise.
This is such a waste of time that I am going to read it and comment on it-VegasUte
CougFaninTX - I'm sure that's what BYU was thinking in 1907 when they
constructed the Y on the mountain - "we'll rip off a classic".Considering that Yale has been playing football since 1875... that could
Enjoy this "win"LOLMeanwhile our seniors are
preparing for the career 4-0 SWEEP!That's right."Superstars" Hoffman and Van Noy don't know what it is like to
beat their rival.LOL!
Love the Utes helmet and uni's. No problem with BYU's but they seem
pretty generic. Florida State has the best in the country; and they didn't
even make the top 5. The season can't start soon enough; now we are
9th in the conference has a nice ring to it. 5th in the nation has a nicer ring
to it. lol.
4th in the nation is even nicer than 5th.
My cousin teaches art at a middle school in Pennsylvania. I'll have her
poll her kids to see which logo they think is prettiest. That has as much, or
more, credence as a Racing Editor for Athlon Sports! LOLIf in the
mind of one man, byU is 4th in the country in the "logo war", so be it.
byU fans are used to have victories that are made up in someone's head.
On September 21st, Utah will give byU it's #4 ... loss in a
Now I have heard it all however, I am laughing that there are Ute fans who read
the article and commented on this subject. Gracious comments from UteNationAlum
You can just feel the jealousy oozing from the hill today.
BYU - 4th NationallyUtah - 9th PACallySounds about right.
The Stretch Y is cool but I don't much care about how it ranks. I do enjoy
the utah "fan" angst over it though.LOL!
One thing we wont see is the U playing in a bowl game. 9th in the pac ten is
about where the utes belong.
SoonerUteIt's laughable that you accuse BYU of
"copying" Yale's "Y" simply because both schools use the
letter "Y" in their logos, especially when dozens of schools use other
single letters like "U" in their logos.A school that copied
"The U" and the "U" sign from the University of Miami and copied
The Prince Edward Island Regiment's military march "Old Solomon
Levi" as their fight song should just keep silent when it comes to copying
from other schools.
@Spider Rico"This is such a waste of time that I am going to
read it and comment on it-VegasUte"Three times.
Logos are very relevant and thus, ranking how recognizable those logos are is
just as relevant. It is interesting that so many utes find this article a waste
of time but they read and and commented.
Who has the better logo is insignificant as far as determining who has the
better team, but it's sure fun watching the bee that this has placed in the
bonnet of the kids on the hill.BYU #4 in the Nation.Utah #9 in
"When it comes to marketability, BYU is winning the battle with rival Utah,
according to one national publication."Apparently the legacy
program is more marketable then USC as well. Congrats! I think.
SoonerUte:Take a look at the Washington redskins logo, then at
Utah's, and tell me who is ripping off who. In the end who
cares....did Green Bay rip off the G logo from Georgia or did Georgia rip it off
from Grambling and then Green Bay ripped it off of them? Don't know,
don't care. I like the stretch Y and the redskins/utes
logo...their both cool and classic, though I agree with another poster that
I'm surprised the liberal hippies in the PAC12 still allow the utes logo. I
mean the conference tells U everything else to do, so if they asked U to get rid
of the racially charged logo, we all know U would jump and ask how high on the
Okay wait... I just read the Athlon article. I was expecting to find how their
"research" on how ESPN exposure, "[w]hen it comes to
marketability", has led to "BYU is winning the battle with rival
Utah". Instead its an opinion a graphic artist. Not a sample
size of 100, or 10 but ONE."And since Athlon Sports has been
designing the best looking magazines on newstands for the better part of half a
century, we'd thought we'd turn our graphic design guru loose on
college football's logos. Here are Athlon Sports Art Director Matt
Taliaferro favorite football logos — and a few he can't
stand."Rumor has it that BYU was 3 plays from being ranked #1.
The Utes logo lost points because "the circle has an outdated helmet feel to
it."Georgia was rated as the third best logo. Hmmm ... Georgia
basically has the letter "G" in black and white on an orange helmet.
Tell me that doesn't have an outdated feel to it.
That's A Good One,Silly little coug, stick to not having
undefeated seasons and playing in BCS bowl games because anyone with a brain
knows BYU will never catch Utah in BCS bowl games and going forward Utah will
make another one long before BYU makes their first. And I'm guessing your
reply will be something about a national championship which you can brag about
all you want because anyone with a brain knows there should be an asterisk next
to it considering it was awarded after pounding a stellar MIchigan team with a
6-5 record by a whole 7 points.
Who cares what Athlon thinks about Utah's logo? It is obviously more
attractive to recruits than BYU's logo.
We would've been ranked #1 logo if it weren't for those darn refs
steeleuteSilly little Ute.Call us when you've
reached the pinnacle of team and individual achievements in major college
football - a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy.BYU
didn't win the National Championship by beating Michigan in the Holiday
Bowl.BYU won the National Championship by winning 66 of 75 (88%)
over the course of 6 seasons, 6 straight conference championships, and 5 of 6
Top 12 finishes, concluding with 24 straight wins and back-to-back Top 7
finishes to establish enough credibility with the poll voters that when BYU
completed the 1984 season as the only undefeated team in the country, ALL FIVE
major national selecting organizations selected BYU as the CONSENSUS National
Champion for 1984.Only a jealous Utah fan would be so naive as to
think BYU won the national championship solely by beating a 6-5 Michigan team in
the Holiday Bowl.
@talkinsportsPer the final top 20; tell us which teams they beat
that year? Tell how many other teams won the National Championship with out
beating a single ranked team. Do tell.
Spokane UteWhat's really important about 1984 is who BYU
didn't lose to, but just to satisfy your yearning for validation, BYU beat
Air Force(8-4) on the road, a team that finished #24 in the final AP poll,
though technically not ranked because in 1984 the AP rankings only included the
Top 20, Air Force still finished higher in the final poll than Utah's much
ballyhooed Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the
final AP poll.The next time Utah has a 24-game winning streak,
including two road wins against Top 15 teams, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, is
the only undefeated team in the country, and is selected as the consensus
national champion by every major selecting organization of the day, call us, and
we'll discuss which team's national championship was more deserved.Bottom line, all five major selecting organizations selected BYU as THE
MOST DESERVING team to be selected the 1984 National Championship. The proof of
that statement is evidenced by the FIVE National Championship trophies resting
proudly in BYU's Sports Hall of Fame, including the coveted Crystal
Football National Championship Trophy.btw, the AP SELECTED Utah #2
Sorry talkinsports, but everyone out side of Provo County knows BYU won the NC
by default. Was it their fault? No. When you hang your hat on beating a 8-4 Air
Force team; well that speaks for itself. When you knock off a top 5 SEC power
house in the Sugar Bowl (Their back yard), go undefeated and beat 4 FINAL top 25
teams along the way, give us a call. No non-SEC school has beaten Alabama since.
At least in 2004-2005 Utah beat a ranked team in their bowl. Sorry, beating 6-5
Michigan, by the narrowest of margins, really told the nation that BYU was
waaaay over ranked. Michigan lost to #17/#18 Iowa that year 26-0. They lost to
BYU 24-17. Numbers don't lie.
Drat!Yet another way that BYU is superior to my Utes - they are
winning the "logo war." BYU's "stretch Y" logo is seen by
two dudes at Athlon Sports as being cooler than Utah's drum and feather
logo.I have become despondent. Please, is there anyone out there
thay can talk me off of the ledge?
Spokane Ute"When you hang your hat on beating a 8-4 Air Force
team; well that speaks for itself."LOL at the biased
inconsistent spin.What did Utah hang their 2004 BCS busting hat
on?The Utes backed their way into a BCS bowl only beating three
teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, against a SOS
that was ranked around 60th, about the same as BYU's 2012 schedule.Then the Utes were SELECTED #4 in the AP and #5 in the Coaches polls
after beating #25/unranked 8-4 Pittsburgh in a bowl, a team that finished in a
four-way tie for first in a weak 7-team conference, one game ahead of the 5th
place team.When you hang your hat on beating an 8-4 team that
finished LOWER in the AP poll than Air Force, and then criticize BYU, well, that
speaks for itself.
Snack PACWhere are you getting BYU's strength of schedule
number? Utah's was #67. There was no such thing as the saragin rankings
back then. Utah beat then #20 Pitt in their bowl, which finished #25 in the AP
Poll, and #23 in the saragin rankings. BYU beat unranked 6-5 Michigan.
BYU's best win was against Air Force, who has a final ranking of #24/#25
(tied with Notre Dame). Utah beat 3 teams with above .500 records and 4 teams
from power conferences. BYU beat 4 teams with above .500 records and 2 teams
from power conferences. Were the schedules comporable? yes. Did Utah beat a
better team in the bowl game? Yes. Utah season was 9 years ago, BYU's was
31 years ago. Sorry guy, Utah's season was more impressive, but slightly;
and certainly more recent. I noticed you didn't mention the 2008-2009
season. Now that's curious. Congrats on the Logo though. That
and 75 cents will get you a newspaper.
Seriously DN, you rated this a "Top Comment"?"Per the
final top 20; tell us which teams they beat that year? Tell how many other teams
won the National Championship with out beating a single ranked team."The comment isn't even on topic.
So steel ute and spokane ute come along and just prove they feel major angst as
it oozes from their fingers onto their keyboards.LOL!
@Sooner UteThe masters of rip offs are found at the U of U, not
BYU.-Ask the Washington Redskins.-Ask Duke's Coach K.-Ask
the U of Miami, about hand signs.etc.. etc..Even the U on the
mountain in SLC (est. 1907), only came after BYU had already put the Y on their
mountain (est. 1906).Yale's "standard block Y" (which
is not their creation) didn't appear on their football helmets, until the
late 1960's and after BYU had already put one on theirs (1966). And a full 6 decades after BYU had already placed the "standard block
Y" on the face of a Rocky Mountain..BYU's National Brand is
secure. Not only because of savvy marketing, but more importantly, because in
football, their program has received every major coveted piece of hardware,
which College Football has to offer.Utah hasn't even managed to
possess the phrase "The U" on a National Basis. Let
alone establish a National Brand.@ Y/Grad Y/DadYahoo was
est. in 1995.The "modern Y logo" was first seen in 1978, with the
first Y on a BYU helmet appearing in 1966..Do the math...
@ Duck HunterNot really, just having a civil, factual and
interesting debate which I know is foreign to you. Isn't this about the
time you call my posts "emotional and frantic"?
@Deductive ReasoningDoes that upset you? I didn't bring up the
topic, I simply responed to talkin sports. My comment on topic is on page 1,
SpokaneUte"Where are you getting BYU's strength of schedule
number?"Read a little more carefully. I compared
Utah's 2004 SOS with BYU's 2012 SOS meerly to show the inconsistency
of Utah fans beating their chests about Utah's great 2004 season, while
whining about how "weak" BYU's schedule was last season.
Spokane UteUtah was SELECTED #2 in the final 2008 AP poll in EXACTLY
the same way BYU was selected #1 in the final 1984 AP poll.The real
difference in BYU's 1984 undefeated season and Utah's 2008 undefeated
season can be found in the credibility that BYU had been building with the
national media since 1979, and Utah's lack of credibility.Prior
to 1984, BYU had finished in the Top 12 in 4 of the previous 5 seasons,
including beating two Top 15 teams on the road and finishing #7 in 1983.Prior to 2008, Utah hadn't been ranked since 2004, and had suffered
that embarrassing shutout loss to UNLV(2-10) in 2007. The nationally relevant
momentum Utah had gained in 2004, had long since died by 2008.
Spokane Ute"Does that upset you?"Not at all;
just wondering why the DN would pick a comment that isn't even on topic as
a "Top Comment"?
Phoenix or Talkinsports or who ever,The schedules were comporable,
as I stated, but the bowl opponents were not. I was just curious, since I
don't believe there was such a poll/rating in 1984. Neither team played a
good schedule; but you can't change how your opponents fare. Deductive reasoning,Fair enough, I was suprised to, but what the
hey. Deep Blue,Congrats on your credibility. That and
National Realavence are certainly subjective and open to opinion. I merely
compared the season using facts and stats. BYU's 1997 season, and Cotton
Bowl victory are far more impressive then 1984.
Spokane Ute "Utah beat 3 teams with above .500 records and 4
teams from power conferences."Get over your "power
conferences" obsession. Simply being from power doesn't prove
ANYTHING!Using your silly argument, BYU opened the season beating
multiple national champion, #3-ranked Pittsburgh on the road and finished the
season beating multiple national champion and the winningest major college
football program in the country in a bowl.Besides, each season is
different.No BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU 1984 was the best
college team ever, but, what BYU accomplished in 1984 was judged by every major
national organization as being more deserving of being named national champion
than any other team.It's funny that Utah fans beat their chests
about winning an NCAA tournament in 1944, yet whine about BYU's 1984
National Championship.BYU's 1984 schedule was an NFL caliber
schedule compared to Utah's 1944 high school caliber schedule.
So BYU has ranked higher for Logo and Stadium than Utah in the past short
time....Can't we just get to the end of August already and get to the
Spokane UteDespite the records and rankings, the Michigan team that
BYU beat in the 1984 Holiday Bowl would have curb stomped the Pittsburgh team
that Utah beat in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl.Michigan was a Top 10 team
and an early national championship contender themselves before a rash of
injuries led to a mid-season meltdown. Even so, the Wolverines were good enought
that they would have been playing in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio
State in their regular season finale.By the time BYU played Michigan
in the Holiday Bowl in late December, most of Michigan's injured players,
especially on defense, were back and healthy. Michigan's coach was so
confident in the health of his team, that he fully expected to dominate BYU in
the bowl.BYU proved that even with a rash of 7 turnovers - wasting
several scoring opportunities and giving Michigan some easy scores - and with an
injured QB who played the entire 2nd half on a leg he could barely stand on, BYU
was still good enough to overcome a 4th quarter deficit to beat a very good
Michigan team.Simply comparing records and rankings doesn't
always tell the whole story.
Not hard to see the difference at the local retail stores that sell both logoed
merchandise...Once it's put out the BYU stuff disappears but there is
always an over abundance of Utah merchandise on the shelves...and suffice it to
say that BYU does have a much bigger national as well as international following
for their catalog sales as well.
KillarneyWhy are you getting so excited? Did I ever say, or say that
a BYU fan claimed that the 1984 BYU team was the best ever? Which Utah fan beats
on their chest about the 1944 championship? I've never mentioned it. "Using your silly argument, BYU opened the season beating multiple
national champion, #3-ranked Pittsburgh on the road and finished the season
beating multiple national champion and the winningest major college football
program in the country in a bowl."I have no idea what in the world you
are saying and I'm not sure you do either. Take a deep breath, it will be
It doesn't matter that the logo is 4th, because their big brother's
logo up north will always attract better recruits
@Sportsfan"Despite the records and rankings, the Michigan team that
BYU beat in the 1984 Holiday Bowl would have curb stomped the Pittsburgh team
that Utah beat in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl."Look at it from a statistical
and objective point of view. Win-loss record and rankings say otherwise. Bo
Schembechler stated that before the game that if BYU beat them, they would
deserve the NC. After the game, he stated that there was no way that BYU was the
best team in the county. His opinion caries more weicht than mine or yours. I
totally disagree.Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I
don't believe that Michigan would have went to the Rose Bowl with a victory
over Ohio State. They would have had the same record as Purdue, but Purdue beat
While I'm not a big fan of logo rankings, and think this topic is sort of
silly, I'll bite on this one. I haven't taken a close
look at the ute logo these days. I had assumed i was something akin to the PAC12
logo inside of a circle. They seem to be more proud of the conference logo than
theirs.Anyways, the more impressive thing to me is the
representations of their symbols on the hill and Y mountain. I was at University
hospital back in October and noticed that the U was actually what looked like a
bunch of plank boards in the shape of a U, painted white, and sitting in some
guy's back yard. Maybe I was looking at a different one.But I
am way more impressed by the Y. I hiked Y mountain a few years ago and was
thinking that it must be a miserable prospect for the rivalry vandals to have to
climb that high up a mountain to paint it red. And that would take a lot of
paint. That thing is huge, well done, and hard to miss. Pretty much
like the university it represents.
@Snack PACThe Utes backed their way into a BCS bowl only beating
three teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, against a
SOS that was ranked around 60th, about the same as BYU's 2012 schedule.... When you hang your hat on beating an 8-4 team that finished LOWER in
the AP poll than Air Force, and then criticize BYU, well, that speaks for
itself.-------------And you backed into a national title
with a #104 SOS.We hang our hats on the fact we beat each and every
team by 14+ points. Did we deserve a title game? Nope. 2008? Yes. FYI your own QB criticizes BYU and I agree with him you would have been a top
5 team at best under BCS rules."With the way the [BCS] system is
now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably
would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there
would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie BoscoWith tougher rules BYU hasn't even sniffed a BCS game, let alone a
national title or even a top 10 ranking.
Uteology"We hang our hats on the fact we beat each and every
team by 14+ points."Margin of victory isn't even used in
BCS standings calculations."Did we deserve a title game? Nope.
2008? Yes."Obviously, the answer is NOPE for both 2004 and 2008
- not according to the BCS rules; the Utes finished #6 in the final BCS
standings both years."FYI your own QB criticizes BYU and I agree
with him you would have been a top 5 team at best under BCS rules."Bosco was simply saying he didn't think BYU would have been given a
chance to play in the national championship game under the current BCS rules,
but he also said immediately following the Holiday Bowl, that he believed that
BYU deserved to be ranked #1.With tougher rules, BYU still would
have won the AP National Championship, since the AP awards its national
championship completely independent of BCS rules.The ONLY rule for
winning an AP national championship is the same today as it was in 1984; to
finish with the most votes from a national panel of sportswriters.BYU did in 1984.Utah didn't in 2004 or 2008.
snack pac--"What did Utah hang their 2004 BCS busting hat
on?"Well, for starters, as far as you as a 2-Star byu fan goes,
does 52-21 ring a bell? 3 blow-outs of your school during this current BCS Era,
zero in reverse.AF came the closest to us, losing by 14 points. ua
was next by 17. Every body else by 21+, including 2-Star byu by 31. Contrast
this w/'84 2-Star byu while playing against the 3rd weakest schedule in the
nation.Original BCS Buster when the threshhold was higher. 1st of 2
undefeated seasons. If going undefeated is so unremarkable, why hasn't
2-Star byu come any closer than 2 losses during this same era? Shoot, even
Hawaii/Northern Illinois managed an undefeated regular season!Also,
why not discuss '08 as well as '04?While you're at,
discuss the following, as well--3 straight, 4 of 5, 8 of 11, 13 of
20 and the insurmountable overall record, 56-34-4!
"My Logo can beat up your Logo"Never have I had so much
enjoyment reading the comments, and where the topics stray, than from this
pointless article.Skip the article and read the 4+ pages of
UteologyThe truth is, BYU won a national championship that was
recognized by every major national championship selecting organization in 1984
(all FIVE), and Utah wasn't recognized as the national champion by any
major national organization in 2004 or 2008, so stop whining about it.The jealous whining of Utah fans and a few other outspoken BYU-haters
doesn't negate the fact that the majority of sportswriters, coaches, and
other college football experts agreed that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team to be
awarded the 1984 National Championship.
snack pac--"BYU did in 1984.Utah didn't in 2004
or 2008."Regarding '84--Brigham YoungTexas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last
decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little
Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.
Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too:
they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national
champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th
amongst 98 division 1A schools.And yet their performance was as weak
as their schedule.They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a
20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in
the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called
@Spokane Ute - many of us know exactly what Killarney is talking about. Your
rants about the weakness of the Michigan team beaten by BYU to clinch the
national title in 1984 exposes your overwhelming ignorance of the nature of that
Michigan team, just as Killarney has explained. That was an incredible victory
against a very, very good Michigan team whose record was merely reflective of
the injuries they had sustained, which had been overcome by the time of the bowl
game. Had they been healthy throughout the season - as they were against BYU -
they would have easily played in the Rose Bowl and would likely have been a very
highly ranked team.That victory against Michigan was impressive
enough to win unanimous acclaim from every voting organization in its day,
although envious and clueless Ute fans 30 years later surely know better than
all of them. Just like Washington, who thought they were robbed of the NC, then
got their butts kicked by BYU at the beginning of next season.By the
way, the 2004 and 2008 Ute teams deserve all the props you can think up, and
should have been given their shot at the championship.
AZUTE1"...does 52-21 ring a bell?"Wow, you
dominated one of the worst BYU teams of the last half century. Take a bow."If going undefeated is so unremarkable, why hasn't [BYU] come
any closer than 2 losses during this same era?"If 11-2 is so
unremarkable, why hasn't Utah (except for 2004/2008) EVER had an 11-win
season? Bronco bookended Kyle's 13-0 season with THREE 11-2 seasons."BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too:
they did not play a single ranked opponent."BYU 1984 beat Air
Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the Final AP poll, unranked only because the
1984 poll only ranked the Top 20, but higher in the poll than Pittsburgh 2004,
which finished #25 in the final AP poll.Margin of victory is a
meaningless comparison. BYU 1984 was a more defensive oriented team, as
evidenced by their three remarkable goal line stands versus Pittsburgh, Air
Force and Hawaii.Excluding the meaningless 12th regular season game
versus USU after BYU had already risen to #1 in the polls, the overall record of
BYU's 1984 opponents was almost identical to Utah's 11 2004 opponents.
@Snack PAC"Did we deserve a title game? Nope. 2008? Yes."Obviously, the answer is NOPE for both 2004 and 2008 - not according to
the BCS rules; the Utes finished #6 in the final BCS standings both years.---------Obviously is was my opinion, just like it is my
opinion that TCU 2010 deserved a shot at the title. Ironic you pull
up the same BCS top 6 rule which existed from 1998 to 2006. The same rule that
SOME BYU "fan" argues that never existed prior to 2004. Falsely calming
that #10 Tulane, #8 Marshall, and yes 2001 BCS fraud #16 BYU were deserving of a
If you borrowed your logo from another team a.k.a. The Washington Redskins, you
really don't deserve any props.
UteologyBYU 2001 was 12-0 until December when BYU was hit with a
triple set back.First - BYU lost Luke Staley, the best running back
in the nation in a win at Mississippi StateSecond - Because of 9-11,
BYU-MSU was moved from September 15th to December 1st, forcing BYU to travel to
Starksville for a Saturday night game, return to Provo on Sunday, and then
travel to Hawaii for a night game the following Saturday, a distance of 6,400
miles traveled in less than a weekThird - while still undefeated and
ranked #9 in the AP poll, BYU was informed that they had been removed from
consideration for a BCS bowlLosing their star running back, combined
with the physical fatigue and mental letdown were simply too much for the team
to handle and BYU lost big to a well-rested Hawaii team on their home turf.Hardly a BCS fraud, except in the eyes of a jealous Utah fan.If not for 9-11, BYU might well have beaten #17 MSU in mid-September, not lost
a rested Staley, and been undefeated and ranked in the Top 5 at seasons end.
1984 National Champions - BYU. That ain't goint to change.
@LetsdebateIf you honestly believe that beating a 5 loss team by 7
points is impressive, then there's no need to carry this conversaton any
furhter. Your bias is very, very obvious. Michigan wasn't even close to the
Rose Bowl. Purdue thumped them. Purdue would have went, even if Michigan had
beaten Ohio State. I noticed the Sportsfan never admitted that. I guess
it's easier to make stuff up then use facts. As far as ranting goes,
I'm merely stating facts and statistics which really put you on the
defensive. Was it BYU's fault that the system was what is was? Of course
not. Again, no team has EVER won the NC with 5 loses or with out beating a
single team ranked in the final top 20. No team ever will in the future. Care to
refute that? Congrats on winning the NC by default, because that's exactly
what happened and everyone outside of BYU knows it. When you have to use
injuries as an excuse, that's a sad day indeed. We can agree to disagee.
Have a good evening.
In 1984, Michigan lost it's second game of the season, at home, to
Washington 20-11. I'm sure the whole team must have been injured and
didn't recoved until the Holiday Bowl. Ask Bo Schembeclher who had the best
team that year, he should know. He certainly didn't think it was BYU. Naw,
letsdebate and Sportsfan know better. Too funny!
Correct me if I'm wrong, but the national championship is given to the best
team in the nation. Whether or not you believe that BYU won it by default (or
they backed into it), BYU was deemed to be the BEST team in the nation that
year. Who cares if some other team some 10 years later was better.
Alabama's team last year was probably better than BYU's 1984 team, but
does that mean that BYU's 1984 championship suddenly needs to have an
@spokane uteSo your idea of a "civil, factual and interesting
debate" is to attempt to malign BYU's greatest accomplishment, the
Nation Football Championship, amid other attempts to diminish and marginalize
their program?Only a utah "fan" would try to claim that is
"civil, factual and interesting". But hey, you're a utah
"fan" so no surprise there.
River CougarBYU won the NC in 1984. Is it their fault the system was
what it was? Of course not. Is the NC given to the best team in the country?
That's higly debatable. In my opinion the BCS system does a better of job
of determining this, since they match up the two highest rated teams. However a
8 - 16 team playoff would be more effective. No other champion, in any other
sport is determined by popular vote. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but
has and other team won the NC without beating a top 20 team; or beating a team
with 5 loses in a bowl game? NO, and that's a fact!FYI, born
and raised in Riverton; Bingham HS, class of '82
Spokane Ute"In 1984, Michigan lost it's second game of the
season, at home, to Washington 20-11."BYU beat Michigan by a
nearly identical score of 24-17, yet some jealous fans claim that Washington was
sooooo much better than BYU.Washington and a Nebraska were both
invited to play #1-ranked BYU for a shot at the national championship, and both
turned down their invitations to try to back-door their way into a national
championship by playing a lower-ranked team.By contract, BYU had no
choice but to play whoever the Holiday Bowl lined up to play BYU.
Spokane UteHow many major college football national champions can
say that they were deemed more worthy of being national champions than any other
team in the country by ALL of these major national organizations? -
Associated Press (AP) - United Press International (Coaches) -
Sports Illustrated- CNN-USA Today- Football Writers Association of
America (FWAA)- National Football Foundation (NFF)Not even
2003 BCS champion LSU can make that claim, because USC, which wasn't even
invited to the 2003 BCS championship game, won the AP National Championship.Except for USC, BYU has won more Consensus National Championships (AP
and Coaches) than the rest of the PAC 12 combined.As far as BCS
championships go, BYU has won as many BCS National Championships as the entire
PAC 12 combined.
@Uteanymous"As far as BCS championships go, BYU has won as many
BCS National Championships as the entire PAC 12 combined."Since
USC's 2004 BCS national championship was stripped from them and the Trojans
were required to return their Crystal Football National Championship trophy,
this, unfortunately for the PAC 12, is true.Unless the PAC 12 wins
the BCS national championship this year, the conference won't ever have a
BCS national champion. Don't forget, the BCS era ends this year. The
playoffs start in 2014.
@ AZUTEWhen you refer to, two star BYU, are you referencing their
Two Star former Quarterbacks, McMahon and Young, who have actually played in and
won Super Bowls?Something no Utah QB has ever accomplished.BYU...Living rent free in AZUTE, Naval Vet, Howard and Spokane
Ute's, heads, RENT FREE, 24-7.Hilarious!
Seriously Ute fans, still having a tizzy over BYU's "Unanimous"
National Championship? After nearly 30 years?It's in the books.
Wrap it!U fans really do need to move on.BYU has
received every Major Award, which College Football has to offer.Utah, on
the other hand, has absolutely none of these things.That's why
BYU is a recognizable National Brand and Legacy school, while Utah is just
another Conference Bottom-feeder.This story is about BYU's logo
being among the best and Utah's nowhere to be seen.Why? Because
the Washington Redskins beat you to it.End of story.
Spokane UteHow many national champions can match this record
building to a national championship?1979 #13/#12 11-11980
#12/#12 12-11981 #13/#11 11-21982 unranked 8-41983 #7/#7
11-11984 #1/#1 13-0FIVE Top 12 Finishes in 6 seasons, 66-9
overall (88%), 6 conference championships, and a 24-game winning streak.Compare that to Utah 2004:1999 unranked 9-32000
unranked 4-72001 unranked 8-42002 unranked 5-62003 #21/#21
10-22004 #4/#5 12-0TWO Top 21 finishes, 2 losing seasons, 48-22
(69%) overall, 2 conference championships.orUtah 20082003 #21/#21 10-22004 #4/#5 12-02005 unranked 7-52006
unranked 8-52007 unranked 9-42008 #2/#4 13-0THREE Top 21
finishes, 59-16 (79%) overall, 3 conference championships.In the
official BCS championship polls for 2004 and 2008, the Utes finished #5 and #4,
tied and barely higher than BYU's #5-ranked 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team.
@All the BYU fans in denialNo wins over a ranked team. A narrow
24-17 victory over a 6-5 team in a lower tier bowl. What other team can say
that? Um, ah, eh...........Enough said, NC by default no matter how
you want to spin it. Was it there fault? Of course not. Sorry if the truth
hurts; but that's exactly what it is.....live with it; and accept it; move
on, it was over 30 years ago, not that't the End of Story!
Spokane Ute"No wins over a ranked team..."but a
road win against the #24 team in the final AP poll, a team that finished higher
in the final AP poll than the only ranked team Utah played in 2004, #25
Pittsburgh.Only a blindly jealous Utah fan obsessed with his
BYU-hatred couldn't see that BYU paid its dues and so impressed the nation
with 6 outstanding years of excellent football, that when BYU finished the 1984
season as the only unbeaten team in the nation, BYU had so impressed the
majority of college football experts that BYU was chosen the consensus National
Champion by every major college football organization in the country. Obviously they could see and appreciate what you're too stubbornly blind
to see.Despite your frantic and emotional attempts to deny reality,
BYU is the proud and deserving owner of a Crystal Football National Championship
Trophy that is only awarded to legitimate major college football National
Champions.The only one hurt by the truth is U! Live with it, accept
it, and move on; none of your jealous whining is going to change history.National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah 0True End of
CordonBleuPark City, UTUteologyBYU 2001 was 12-0
until December when BYU was hit with a triple set back....Third - while still
undefeated and ranked #9 in the AP poll, BYU was informed that they had been
removed from consideration for a BCS bowl-----------AP
rankings? Try searching BCS weekly rankings in 2001.To guarantee a
BCS game a mid-major had to finish 6 or higher in BCS rankings.A)
BYU has never been ranked in the top 10 let alone 6 or higher in the BCS
rankings. In 2001 at 12-0 they were ranked #12 they were never going to jump 6
spots by beating Hawaii. Then at 12-1 they dropped out of the top 15, thus no
BCS bowl guarantee.B) Staley didn't play defense... your
defense got lit up for 72-45. It looks like your offense wasn't as
fatigued as your defense because they ran 103 plays compared to 73 for
Hawaii:BYY vs HITotal Yards: 612 vs 646Total
Plays: 105 vs 73Passing: 515 vs 543Rushing: 97 vs 103Penalties: 12 vs 15Yds: 110 vs 168Turnovers: 7 vs 5
@WhatsnuHow many national champions can match this record building
to a national championship?-----------How many played a
WAC schedule?TCU went 35-3 and they beat more ranked teams than BYU
did over those 7 years, yet they never came close to a national title.The only reason your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each
other. That's not an accomplishment, that's called winning by
WhatsnuSandy, UTSpokane UteHow many national
champions can match this record building to a national championship?1979 #13/#12 11-11980 #12/#12 12-11981 #13/#11 11-21982
unranked 8-41983 #7/#7 11-11984 #1/#1 13-0--------------Boise State another WAC team in different era:2002 12-1 AP #152003 13-1 #162004 11-1 #122005 9-4 2006 13-0 #52007 10-3 2008 12-1 #112009 14-0 #42010
12-1 #92011 12-1 #82012 11-2 #18TCU:2005 11-1 AP
#112006 11-2 #222007 11-2 unranked2008 11-2 #72009 12-1
#620010 13-0 #2The difference is BYU kept climbing when teams
around them lost but for TCU and Boise the ceiling was set at #2.
@CordonBleuFirst, at 12-0 BYU was #12 in BCS rankings and dropped
out at 12-1. So BYU was never going to be guaranteed a BCS bowl since you were
never going to be ranked in the top 6.Second, it seems BYU offense
was so fatigued that they ran 103 plays for 615 yards (Hawaii ran 73 plays for
645 yards). Yet it was your defense that got exposed 72-45.Third,
Luke Staley plays offense so I don't know how he could have helped
BYU's defense standing on the sideline. Fourth, even without
Staley BYU still scored 45 points which was above your season average of 44 PPG
Uteology"The only reason your team won a title is because teams
around BYU beat each other."Isn't that what happens every
year. Other teams lose and those that don't rise to the top of the
rankings? That's certainly the way Utah rose to the Top 5 in 2004, since
the Utes didn't beat anyone of consequence during the regular season (three
teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record).It's entirely possible that a rested BYU team, with a healthy Staley, and
a BCS berth riding on the outcome, would have beaten Hawaii and been invited to
play in a BCS game as an at-large team.
"With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we
wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and
that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us
in the polls." -- Robbie BoscoI like and respect Bosco, but in
this case, I have to disagree with his statement (which was taken out of
context, by the way).First, the voters, not the BCS system,
determine who's ranked No. 1.Second, in response to the
controversy created by the voters in the AP poll naming USC as the No. 1 ranked
team at the end of the 2003 season, the formula was rewritten. Supporters of USC
and the media in general criticized the fact that polls were not weighted more
heavily than computer rankings and this criticism led to the new algorithm. This
revised system places twice as much emphasis on polls than computer rankings and
makes it highly unlikely that the top team in both polls would be denied a place
in the title game, as happened in the 2003–04 season.BYU would
have played in the BCS championship game.(continued)
The funny thing is I like the Utes helmets. The red and helmets they wore with
the black look really good.
Whether BYU would have beaten Washington, Nebraska or Oklahoma in the BCS
Championship game is impossible to know, but there's this:BYU
and Washington both beat Michigan (their only common opponent) by similar
scores, and Washington beat Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, suggesting that BYU
could have held their own against either team.And, 8 months after
the Holiday Bowl, BYU did play Washington and brutally curb stomped the Huskies
31-3 in what many viewed as a chance for BYU to prove they were better than the
Huskies, a team some fans had suggested should have won the 1984 title.As the #1-ranked team in both polls at the end of the regular season BYU
deserved the opportunity to prove themselves against another top-ranked team.
The fact the BYU wasn't given that opportunity isn't an indictment on
BYU, but on the system that locked teams into certain bowls and prevented the
top-ranked teams from playing each other.Despite the jealous nay
saying of our friends on the hill, BYU did everything they could to prove that
they were worthy of being the 1984 National Champions and all FIVE major college
football national organizations agreed.
Uteology"How many played a WAC schedule?"It's laughable how Utah fans constantly demean a conference that the Utes
were members of for 37 years.The truth is, throughout the history of
the WAC, there were some VERY, VERY GOOD teams like Arizona State, BYU, Air
Force, and Boise State. Unfortunately for U, the Utes weren't one of those
teams.btw, TCU only played 38 games in 7 years? hard to believe; try
Uteology"The only reason your team won a title is because teams
around BYU beat each other. That's not an accomplishment, that's
called winning by default."Only in the jealous world of Uteville
is an undefeated season not an accomplishment.If the WAC was really
such a weak conference, why weren't the Utes more competitive? And how did
the Utes become BCS busters in the MWC, which was basically the exact same core
group of teams?
"TCU went 35-3 and they beat more ranked teams than BYU did over those 7
years, yet they never came close to a national title.The only reason
your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each other. That's
not an accomplishment, that's called winning by default."OR
as I said before, the reason BYU won the national championship while others
didn't is because BYU, unlike the others, proved that they were the best
team that year. You cannot dispute that! You might say Washington or Nebraska
were the best, but they didn't want to play BYU (afraid they would lose?
hmmmmm), so they forfeited their chance to prove it. Besides, didn't BYU
play Washington the very next season? How did that go?If you're
mad at anyone for BYU's national championship, get mad at Washington or
Nebraska. BYU would most likely have beaten them, too (after all, the polls give
the vote for #1 to the team they think is #1 in the country, hence the term
Uteology"Boise State another WAC team in different
era:..."A WAC conference composed of an entirely different set
of core teams.The only thing similar about the WAC conference BYU
played in in 1984 and the WAC conference Boise State played in during the
2000's is the name.Neither TCU nor Boise State ever had the run
of FIVE of six Top 12 finishes culminating in an undefeated season like BYU did
from 1979 to 1984.
UteologyAlthough every season is judged on it's own merits,
it's important to remember that previous track record is considered by the
poll voters in determining which teams are contenders and which teams are only
flash-in-the-pan pretenders.It's also important to remember
that it's impossible to compare a team's performance during one season
versus how that performance would have been judged versus another season, since
the circumstances surrounding each season are entirely different.An
undefeated season may be the minimum standard for winning a national
championship one season, whereas, a one- or two-loss season may be good enough
to win the national championship in another season.Just because
TCU's and Boise State's best seasons were overshadowed by the
performances of other teams during those same seasons, doesn't mean
BYU's 1984 performance wasn't worthy of a national championship.
Hysterical Ute fans are still anxious over BYU's "Unanimous National
Championship".... "THIRTY YEARS AGO"?On an article about
helmet Logo's?Absolutely Hilarious!
To all Ute Posters:The reason BYU won the consensus National
Championship in 1984, from people who are not biased one way or the other for
BYU or Utah, had as much (if not more) to do with what they did in 1983 as what
they did in 1984. After losing the first game of the season to Baylor on the
road they won 11 straight games including ROAD games against Pac 10 and Rose
Bowl Champion UCLA #17 and Air Force #13. They also beat a Missouri team in the
Holiday bowl that was ranked in the top 20 at that time.If Utah had
similar success in 2007 before the 2008 season I personally believe they would
have built up enough momentum to potentially play for the National Championship
in 2008. This may be hard to believe but BYU fans did NOT cast the votes in the
5 polls at the end of the 1984 season.
BYU Followers,As much as I would love to continue this interesting
debate, my prevous factual comment was denied and I have no earthly idea why. We
can agree to disagree. BYU will never sniff another NC in the current format;
and Utah probably won't either for that matter.
@spokane ute"BYU will never sniff another NC in the current
format; and Utah probably won't either for that matter."That is actually the first "factual" comment you have made. The rest
were angst ridden jealousy. But of course regardless of whether BYU will evern
"sniff ANOTHER NC in the current format" or not they still have one, it
is legit and real despite your 2 day effort to try and rationalize it away, it
exists, and it isn't going to change.utah on the otherhand,
they'll never get even one.
That would make Yale #3, right?Seriously, The U's better than
Wazzu's, UW's UAz, Ucla's at the minimum.I personally
think AZ State's is pretty cool.
to CougFaninTX...Originality in Provo? Surely, you jest!?
Mister J"Originality in Provo? Surely, you jest!?"You obviously haven't heard of BYU's Center for Animation which just
won its 12th Emmy in 10 years.
On article topic: I have always thought WSU's logo was creative and clever,
if not particularly eye-grabbing.On comment-board topic: Alabama
never would have won the NC last year without others around them losing in the
final weeks. LSU never would have won the NC a few years ago without others
around them losing. In most years an undefeated BYU (or 2004/2008 Utah or Boise
or TCU) would not have the opportunity to play for/win an NC because other
undefeated teams would be "more deserving". As any non-BCS fan knows,
this is the way it works. If Boise had gone undefeated either of
the past two years, they may have gotten a chance. If more teams around them
had lost, the 2008 Utah team may have gotten a chance. If fewer teams around
them had lost, 1984 BYU may not have their NC. Different years, different
scenarios.HOWEVER... The fact that BYU was a unanimous champ by all
voting organizations means that a significant majority of the voters that season
thought they were the best. Call it backdooring or call it deserving based on
past success or call it undeserving-it is what it is.
Nobody wants you in their league. But hey, you've got a great logo.
MapleDonNot entirely true; the Big 12 wanted BYU if BYU had been
willing to play on Sunday. Some things are simply more important than a
Yawn.People flipping thru TV channels will run across ESPN2 or
whatever and see the "Y" logo lose against another ranked team.That's what will remind them of BYU.
Am I the only one amused by this fascinating Ute fan logic---BYU's small
margins of victory in '84 make them a weak team. Simultaneously,
Utah's plethora of last-second-play victories over BYU in recent history
(these wins go both ways, hence the best rivalry year in-year out in the nation
in my opinion (I'm extremely biased)) are not even mentioned (by Ute fans)
to be extremely close games, that clearly could have gone either way. Be
universal with your logic Ute fans. Discounting BYU's close wins while
promoting Utah's close wins is hypocritical at the core.As far
as the article goes- don't get all up in a fuss about this guys
opinion...the W for BYU and the L for Utah in this one don't actually go on
the real schedule/count towards BCS rankings/matter at all. Treat it as such.