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Logo wars: BYU's logo ranked fourth-best nationally by Athlon Sports; Utah's ninth in the Pac-12

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  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    The BYU haters are not going to like this or take it well!!! LOL

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    The drum logo is pivotal to the Utes though!!! Every comment from some of the BYU detractors (eg Chris B, Howard, Naval) is about beating the PAC 12 drum of "relevance" big and loud and then floating to the end of the season like a falling feather. Beat the drum BOOM BOOM. Float like a feather to the ground and go into the offseason without a sound. A very fitting logo.

  • clehman Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Wow. The things people find to write articles about.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    Coming from this Ute fan I actually do think that BYU has branded themselves really well. The Y looks really good on helmets, shirts, shorts, etc.

    I would like to see the Utes try to modernize their brand somewhat.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Yay, another impressive victory of substance for the Coug's. Best logo! Wow, sign em up for the title game already.

    No wait, Utah is already there with their conference membership and recruiting wins.

    Why even play the games? Both schools have already won it all. Let the chest beating begin.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    Ranking logos is one of the dumbest things I've ever read. I looked at the list and it made no sense to me--some of the most iconic logos didn't crack the top 20 (Notre Dame, KU) while quite ordinary non-iconic ones made the top ten (i.e. Clemson).

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    "Stretch Y logo as one of the "most recognizable in college sports."
    Before moving to Utah, I honestly thought this was the Yale logo. That's one way to be recognizable -- rip off a classic.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    When it all comes down to it, this is a silly list. Outside of a few radicals, this means very little to either side. BYU has a simple logo that has worked for decades. The U has a logo that also has been around for a while. I have wondered though if some Ute fans find the Drum and feather logo to be old or not totally PC since they now just use the PAC 12 shield as their unofficial logo. All of the time I will be driving and see someone with a red PAC 12 shield sticker, but no actual logo for the school they are supporting.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    Wow, DN: since when does a list of "Athlon Sports Art Director Matt Taliaferro favorite football logos" turn into "BYU is winning the battle with rival Utah"?

    Must be an extremely slow news day!

    Yawn!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:48 p.m.

    Only in Utah County would the opinion of the Racing Editor for Athlon Sports be headline news!!

    LOL!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Yet Utah somehow continues to sell more merchandise. I guess Coug fans are even cheaper than we all thought!
    Seriously though, as a ute fan I'll admit that the Y's logo is cool in a very classic kind if way.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Re: SoonerUte @ 1:28pm

    ""Stretch Y logo as one of the "most recognizable in college sports."
    Before moving to Utah, I honestly thought this was the Yale logo. That's one way to be recognizable -- rip off a classic."

    Sorry that you were so uniformed about college football logos. BYU's logo goes right along with its recognizable national brand; something your Utes do not have.

    Finally SoonerUte, the only thing "ripped off" around here is the Utes' supposed relevance from the PAC that only invited Utah for two reasons and that was 1)to be a place holder in order to have a conference championship game and 2)the PAC does not tolerate religious based institutions.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    Aug. 6, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    Sooner - I'm sure that's what BYU was thinking in 1907 when they constructed the Y on the mountain - "we'll rip off a classic". When Utah picked red as their color, were they thinking, "we'll rip off a classic" from Oklahoma?

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Always comical when a Ute fan tells us about BYU ripping off anything, while at the same time they're displaying their impression of the Miami "U" with both hands, or referencing Duke's famous basketball coach each time they comment about Larry Krystkowiak.

    Silly little Ute brother, stick to your generic red PAC-12 stickers and leave the nationally recognized branding to the professionals down south.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 6, 2013 2:57 p.m.

    I actually thought we ripped it off from Yahoo. Maybe they got it from us?

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    CougFaninTX
    Frisco, TX

    Good point.

    Besides, Yale took the Y logo from us.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    So, my Ute fans, is the Stretch Y recognizable because of BYUs national brand, or does the Y have a national brand because of the Stretch Y? Inquiring minds want to know what you think!

    Because it isn't like you insert your opinion everywhere anyway...

  • Down under Eugene, OR
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    9th in the PAC. Sounds about right although I was thinking 10th was a better fit, record wise.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:24 p.m.

    This is such a waste of time that I am going to read it and comment on it
    -VegasUte

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    CougFaninTX - I'm sure that's what BYU was thinking in 1907 when they constructed the Y on the mountain - "we'll rip off a classic".

    Considering that Yale has been playing football since 1875... that could be!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Enjoy this "win"

    LOL

    Meanwhile our seniors are preparing for the career 4-0 SWEEP!

    That's right.

    "Superstars" Hoffman and Van Noy don't know what it is like to beat their rival.

    LOL!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    Love the Utes helmet and uni's. No problem with BYU's but they seem pretty generic. Florida State has the best in the country; and they didn't even make the top 5. The season can't start soon enough; now we are debating helmets.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    9th in the conference has a nice ring to it. 5th in the nation has a nicer ring to it. lol.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    4th in the nation is even nicer than 5th.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    My cousin teaches art at a middle school in Pennsylvania. I'll have her poll her kids to see which logo they think is prettiest. That has as much, or more, credence as a Racing Editor for Athlon Sports! LOL

    If in the mind of one man, byU is 4th in the country in the "logo war", so be it. byU fans are used to have victories that are made up in someone's head.

    On September 21st, Utah will give byU it's #4 ... loss in a row.

    Go Utes!

  • Duh west jordan, ut
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:28 p.m.

    Now I have heard it all however, I am laughing that there are Ute fans who read the article and commented on this subject. Gracious comments from UteNationAlum are appreciated.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    Aug. 6, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    You can just feel the jealousy oozing from the hill today.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    BYU - 4th Nationally
    Utah - 9th PACally

    Sounds about right.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    The Stretch Y is cool but I don't much care about how it ranks. I do enjoy the utah "fan" angst over it though.

    LOL!

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    One thing we wont see is the U playing in a bowl game. 9th in the pac ten is about where the utes belong.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    SoonerUte

    It's laughable that you accuse BYU of "copying" Yale's "Y" simply because both schools use the letter "Y" in their logos, especially when dozens of schools use other single letters like "U" in their logos.

    A school that copied "The U" and the "U" sign from the University of Miami and copied The Prince Edward Island Regiment's military march "Old Solomon Levi" as their fight song should just keep silent when it comes to copying from other schools.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 7:47 p.m.

    @Spider Rico

    "This is such a waste of time that I am going to read it and comment on it
    -VegasUte"

    Three times.

  • SSmith Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 8:23 p.m.

    Logos are very relevant and thus, ranking how recognizable those logos are is just as relevant. It is interesting that so many utes find this article a waste of time but they read and and commented.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    Who has the better logo is insignificant as far as determining who has the better team, but it's sure fun watching the bee that this has placed in the bonnet of the kids on the hill.

    BYU #4 in the Nation.
    Utah #9 in the PAC.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    "When it comes to marketability, BYU is winning the battle with rival Utah, according to one national publication."

    Apparently the legacy program is more marketable then USC as well. Congrats! I think.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    SoonerUte:
    Take a look at the Washington redskins logo, then at Utah's, and tell me who is ripping off who.

    In the end who cares....did Green Bay rip off the G logo from Georgia or did Georgia rip it off from Grambling and then Green Bay ripped it off of them? Don't know, don't care.

    I like the stretch Y and the redskins/utes logo...their both cool and classic, though I agree with another poster that I'm surprised the liberal hippies in the PAC12 still allow the utes logo. I mean the conference tells U everything else to do, so if they asked U to get rid of the racially charged logo, we all know U would jump and ask how high on the way up.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 6, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    Okay wait... I just read the Athlon article. I was expecting to find how their "research" on how ESPN exposure, "[w]hen it comes to marketability", has led to "BYU is winning the battle with rival Utah".

    Instead its an opinion a graphic artist. Not a sample size of 100, or 10 but ONE.

    "And since Athlon Sports has been designing the best looking magazines on newstands for the better part of half a century, we'd thought we'd turn our graphic design guru loose on college football's logos. Here are Athlon Sports Art Director Matt Taliaferro favorite football logos — and a few he can't stand."

    Rumor has it that BYU was 3 plays from being ranked #1.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    Aug. 6, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    The Utes logo lost points because "the circle has an outdated helmet feel to it."
    Georgia was rated as the third best logo. Hmmm ... Georgia basically has the letter "G" in black and white on an orange helmet. Tell me that doesn't have an outdated feel to it.

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    That's A Good One,

    Silly little coug, stick to not having undefeated seasons and playing in BCS bowl games because anyone with a brain knows BYU will never catch Utah in BCS bowl games and going forward Utah will make another one long before BYU makes their first. And I'm guessing your reply will be something about a national championship which you can brag about all you want because anyone with a brain knows there should be an asterisk next to it considering it was awarded after pounding a stellar MIchigan team with a 6-5 record by a whole 7 points.

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    Who cares what Athlon thinks about Utah's logo? It is obviously more attractive to recruits than BYU's logo.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    We would've been ranked #1 logo if it weren't for those darn refs

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2013 12:18 a.m.

    steeleute

    Silly little Ute.

    Call us when you've reached the pinnacle of team and individual achievements in major college football - a National Championship and a Heisman Trophy.

    BYU didn't win the National Championship by beating Michigan in the Holiday Bowl.

    BYU won the National Championship by winning 66 of 75 (88%) over the course of 6 seasons, 6 straight conference championships, and 5 of 6 Top 12 finishes, concluding with 24 straight wins and back-to-back Top 7 finishes to establish enough credibility with the poll voters that when BYU completed the 1984 season as the only undefeated team in the country, ALL FIVE major national selecting organizations selected BYU as the CONSENSUS National Champion for 1984.

    Only a jealous Utah fan would be so naive as to think BYU won the national championship solely by beating a 6-5 Michigan team in the Holiday Bowl.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 7:25 a.m.

    @talkinsports

    Per the final top 20; tell us which teams they beat that year? Tell how many other teams won the National Championship with out beating a single ranked team. Do tell.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    What's really important about 1984 is who BYU didn't lose to, but just to satisfy your yearning for validation, BYU beat Air Force(8-4) on the road, a team that finished #24 in the final AP poll, though technically not ranked because in 1984 the AP rankings only included the Top 20, Air Force still finished higher in the final poll than Utah's much ballyhooed Fiesta Bowl opponent, Pittsburgh(8-4), which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    The next time Utah has a 24-game winning streak, including two road wins against Top 15 teams, back-to-back Top 7 finishes, is the only undefeated team in the country, and is selected as the consensus national champion by every major selecting organization of the day, call us, and we'll discuss which team's national championship was more deserved.

    Bottom line, all five major selecting organizations selected BYU as THE MOST DESERVING team to be selected the 1984 National Championship. The proof of that statement is evidenced by the FIVE National Championship trophies resting proudly in BYU's Sports Hall of Fame, including the coveted Crystal Football National Championship Trophy.

    btw, the AP SELECTED Utah #2 in 2008.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    Sorry talkinsports, but everyone out side of Provo County knows BYU won the NC by default. Was it their fault? No. When you hang your hat on beating a 8-4 Air Force team; well that speaks for itself. When you knock off a top 5 SEC power house in the Sugar Bowl (Their back yard), go undefeated and beat 4 FINAL top 25 teams along the way, give us a call. No non-SEC school has beaten Alabama since. At least in 2004-2005 Utah beat a ranked team in their bowl. Sorry, beating 6-5 Michigan, by the narrowest of margins, really told the nation that BYU was waaaay over ranked. Michigan lost to #17/#18 Iowa that year 26-0. They lost to BYU 24-17. Numbers don't lie.

  • Utah'95 FPO, AE
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:05 a.m.

    Drat!

    Yet another way that BYU is superior to my Utes - they are winning the "logo war." BYU's "stretch Y" logo is seen by two dudes at Athlon Sports as being cooler than Utah's drum and feather logo.

    I have become despondent. Please, is there anyone out there thay can talk me off of the ledge?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "When you hang your hat on beating a 8-4 Air Force team; well that speaks for itself."

    LOL at the biased inconsistent spin.

    What did Utah hang their 2004 BCS busting hat on?

    The Utes backed their way into a BCS bowl only beating three teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, against a SOS that was ranked around 60th, about the same as BYU's 2012 schedule.

    Then the Utes were SELECTED #4 in the AP and #5 in the Coaches polls after beating #25/unranked 8-4 Pittsburgh in a bowl, a team that finished in a four-way tie for first in a weak 7-team conference, one game ahead of the 5th place team.

    When you hang your hat on beating an 8-4 team that finished LOWER in the AP poll than Air Force, and then criticize BYU, well, that speaks for itself.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Snack PAC

    Where are you getting BYU's strength of schedule number? Utah's was #67. There was no such thing as the saragin rankings back then. Utah beat then #20 Pitt in their bowl, which finished #25 in the AP Poll, and #23 in the saragin rankings. BYU beat unranked 6-5 Michigan. BYU's best win was against Air Force, who has a final ranking of #24/#25 (tied with Notre Dame). Utah beat 3 teams with above .500 records and 4 teams from power conferences. BYU beat 4 teams with above .500 records and 2 teams from power conferences. Were the schedules comporable? yes. Did Utah beat a better team in the bowl game? Yes. Utah season was 9 years ago, BYU's was 31 years ago. Sorry guy, Utah's season was more impressive, but slightly; and certainly more recent. I noticed you didn't mention the 2008-2009 season. Now that's curious.

    Congrats on the Logo though. That and 75 cents will get you a newspaper.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Seriously DN, you rated this a "Top Comment"?

    "Per the final top 20; tell us which teams they beat that year? Tell how many other teams won the National Championship with out beating a single ranked team."

    The comment isn't even on topic.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    So steel ute and spokane ute come along and just prove they feel major angst as it oozes from their fingers onto their keyboards.

    LOL!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    @Sooner Ute

    The masters of rip offs are found at the U of U, not BYU.
    -Ask the Washington Redskins.
    -Ask Duke's Coach K.
    -Ask the U of Miami, about hand signs.
    etc.. etc..

    Even the U on the mountain in SLC (est. 1907), only came after BYU had already put the Y on their mountain (est. 1906).

    Yale's "standard block Y" (which is not their creation) didn't appear on their football helmets, until the late 1960's and after BYU had already put one on theirs (1966).

    And a full 6 decades after BYU had already placed the "standard block Y" on the face of a Rocky Mountain..

    BYU's National Brand is secure. Not only because of savvy marketing, but more importantly, because in football, their program has received every major coveted piece of hardware, which College Football has to offer.

    Utah hasn't even managed to possess the phrase
    "The U" on a National Basis.

    Let alone establish a National Brand.

    @ Y/Grad Y/Dad

    Yahoo was est. in 1995.
    The "modern Y logo" was first seen in 1978, with the first Y on a BYU helmet appearing in 1966..

    Do the math...

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @ Duck Hunter

    Not really, just having a civil, factual and interesting debate which I know is foreign to you. Isn't this about the time you call my posts "emotional and frantic"?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    @Deductive Reasoning

    Does that upset you? I didn't bring up the topic, I simply responed to talkin sports. My comment on topic is on page 1, FYI.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    SpokaneUte

    "Where are you getting BYU's strength of schedule number?"

    Read a little more carefully.

    I compared Utah's 2004 SOS with BYU's 2012 SOS meerly to show the inconsistency of Utah fans beating their chests about Utah's great 2004 season, while whining about how "weak" BYU's schedule was last season.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Utah was SELECTED #2 in the final 2008 AP poll in EXACTLY the same way BYU was selected #1 in the final 1984 AP poll.

    The real difference in BYU's 1984 undefeated season and Utah's 2008 undefeated season can be found in the credibility that BYU had been building with the national media since 1979, and Utah's lack of credibility.

    Prior to 1984, BYU had finished in the Top 12 in 4 of the previous 5 seasons, including beating two Top 15 teams on the road and finishing #7 in 1983.

    Prior to 2008, Utah hadn't been ranked since 2004, and had suffered that embarrassing shutout loss to UNLV(2-10) in 2007. The nationally relevant momentum Utah had gained in 2004, had long since died by 2008.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Does that upset you?"

    Not at all; just wondering why the DN would pick a comment that isn't even on topic as a "Top Comment"?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    Phoenix or Talkinsports or who ever,

    The schedules were comporable, as I stated, but the bowl opponents were not. I was just curious, since I don't believe there was such a poll/rating in 1984. Neither team played a good schedule; but you can't change how your opponents fare.

    Deductive reasoning,

    Fair enough, I was suprised to, but what the hey.

    Deep Blue,

    Congrats on your credibility. That and National Realavence are certainly subjective and open to opinion. I merely compared the season using facts and stats. BYU's 1997 season, and Cotton Bowl victory are far more impressive then 1984.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "Utah beat 3 teams with above .500 records and 4 teams from power conferences."

    Get over your "power conferences" obsession. Simply being from power doesn't prove ANYTHING!

    Using your silly argument, BYU opened the season beating multiple national champion, #3-ranked Pittsburgh on the road and finished the season beating multiple national champion and the winningest major college football program in the country in a bowl.

    Besides, each season is different.

    No BYU fan has ever claimed that BYU 1984 was the best college team ever, but, what BYU accomplished in 1984 was judged by every major national organization as being more deserving of being named national champion than any other team.

    It's funny that Utah fans beat their chests about winning an NCAA tournament in 1944, yet whine about BYU's 1984 National Championship.

    BYU's 1984 schedule was an NFL caliber schedule compared to Utah's 1944 high school caliber schedule.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    So BYU has ranked higher for Logo and Stadium than Utah in the past short time....Can't we just get to the end of August already and get to the games?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Despite the records and rankings, the Michigan team that BYU beat in the 1984 Holiday Bowl would have curb stomped the Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl.

    Michigan was a Top 10 team and an early national championship contender themselves before a rash of injuries led to a mid-season meltdown. Even so, the Wolverines were good enought that they would have been playing in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale.

    By the time BYU played Michigan in the Holiday Bowl in late December, most of Michigan's injured players, especially on defense, were back and healthy. Michigan's coach was so confident in the health of his team, that he fully expected to dominate BYU in the bowl.

    BYU proved that even with a rash of 7 turnovers - wasting several scoring opportunities and giving Michigan some easy scores - and with an injured QB who played the entire 2nd half on a leg he could barely stand on, BYU was still good enough to overcome a 4th quarter deficit to beat a very good Michigan team.

    Simply comparing records and rankings doesn't always tell the whole story.

  • Where's Stockton ??? Bowling Green, OH
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Not hard to see the difference at the local retail stores that sell both logoed merchandise...Once it's put out the BYU stuff disappears but there is always an over abundance of Utah merchandise on the shelves...and suffice it to say that BYU does have a much bigger national as well as international following for their catalog sales as well.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    Killarney

    Why are you getting so excited? Did I ever say, or say that a BYU fan claimed that the 1984 BYU team was the best ever? Which Utah fan beats on their chest about the 1944 championship? I've never mentioned it.
    "Using your silly argument, BYU opened the season beating multiple national champion, #3-ranked Pittsburgh on the road and finished the season beating multiple national champion and the winningest major college football program in the country in a bowl."
    I have no idea what in the world you are saying and I'm not sure you do either. Take a deep breath, it will be all right.

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    It doesn't matter that the logo is 4th, because their big brother's logo up north will always attract better recruits

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    @Sportsfan
    "Despite the records and rankings, the Michigan team that BYU beat in the 1984 Holiday Bowl would have curb stomped the Pittsburgh team that Utah beat in the 2004 Fiesta Bowl."
    Look at it from a statistical and objective point of view. Win-loss record and rankings say otherwise. Bo Schembechler stated that before the game that if BYU beat them, they would deserve the NC. After the game, he stated that there was no way that BYU was the best team in the county. His opinion caries more weicht than mine or yours. I totally disagree.

    Also, correct me if I'm wrong, but I don't believe that Michigan would have went to the Rose Bowl with a victory over Ohio State. They would have had the same record as Purdue, but Purdue beat Michigan.

  • Surf is Up Miami, FL
    Aug. 7, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    While I'm not a big fan of logo rankings, and think this topic is sort of silly, I'll bite on this one.

    I haven't taken a close look at the ute logo these days. I had assumed i was something akin to the PAC12 logo inside of a circle. They seem to be more proud of the conference logo than theirs.

    Anyways, the more impressive thing to me is the representations of their symbols on the hill and Y mountain. I was at University hospital back in October and noticed that the U was actually what looked like a bunch of plank boards in the shape of a U, painted white, and sitting in some guy's back yard. Maybe I was looking at a different one.

    But I am way more impressed by the Y. I hiked Y mountain a few years ago and was thinking that it must be a miserable prospect for the rivalry vandals to have to climb that high up a mountain to paint it red. And that would take a lot of paint. That thing is huge, well done, and hard to miss.

    Pretty much like the university it represents.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    The Utes backed their way into a BCS bowl only beating three teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record, against a SOS that was ranked around 60th, about the same as BYU's 2012 schedule.

    ... When you hang your hat on beating an 8-4 team that finished LOWER in the AP poll than Air Force, and then criticize BYU, well, that speaks for itself.

    -------------

    And you backed into a national title with a #104 SOS.

    We hang our hats on the fact we beat each and every team by 14+ points. Did we deserve a title game? Nope. 2008? Yes.

    FYI your own QB criticizes BYU and I agree with him you would have been a top 5 team at best under BCS rules.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

    With tougher rules BYU hasn't even sniffed a BCS game, let alone a national title or even a top 10 ranking.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    Uteology

    "We hang our hats on the fact we beat each and every team by 14+ points."

    Margin of victory isn't even used in BCS standings calculations.

    "Did we deserve a title game? Nope. 2008? Yes."

    Obviously, the answer is NOPE for both 2004 and 2008 - not according to the BCS rules; the Utes finished #6 in the final BCS standings both years.

    "FYI your own QB criticizes BYU and I agree with him you would have been a top 5 team at best under BCS rules."

    Bosco was simply saying he didn't think BYU would have been given a chance to play in the national championship game under the current BCS rules, but he also said immediately following the Holiday Bowl, that he believed that BYU deserved to be ranked #1.

    With tougher rules, BYU still would have won the AP National Championship, since the AP awards its national championship completely independent of BCS rules.

    The ONLY rule for winning an AP national championship is the same today as it was in 1984; to finish with the most votes from a national panel of sportswriters.

    BYU did in 1984.

    Utah didn't in 2004 or 2008.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    snack pac--

    "What did Utah hang their 2004 BCS busting hat on?"

    Well, for starters, as far as you as a 2-Star byu fan goes, does 52-21 ring a bell? 3 blow-outs of your school during this current BCS Era, zero in reverse.

    AF came the closest to us, losing by 14 points. ua was next by 17. Every body else by 21+, including 2-Star byu by 31. Contrast this w/'84 2-Star byu while playing against the 3rd weakest schedule in the nation.

    Original BCS Buster when the threshhold was higher. 1st of 2 undefeated seasons. If going undefeated is so unremarkable, why hasn't 2-Star byu come any closer than 2 losses during this same era? Shoot, even Hawaii/Northern Illinois managed an undefeated regular season!

    Also, why not discuss '08 as well as '04?

    While you're at, discuss the following, as well--

    3 straight, 4 of 5, 8 of 11, 13 of 20 and the insurmountable overall record, 56-34-4!

  • Ifel Of'a-sofa Alpine, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    "My Logo can beat up your Logo"

    Never have I had so much enjoyment reading the comments, and where the topics stray, than from this pointless article.

    Skip the article and read the 4+ pages of comments!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    Uteology

    The truth is, BYU won a national championship that was recognized by every major national championship selecting organization in 1984 (all FIVE), and Utah wasn't recognized as the national champion by any major national organization in 2004 or 2008, so stop whining about it.

    The jealous whining of Utah fans and a few other outspoken BYU-haters doesn't negate the fact that the majority of sportswriters, coaches, and other college football experts agreed that BYU was THE MOST DESERVING team to be awarded the 1984 National Championship.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    Aug. 7, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    snack pac--

    "BYU did in 1984.

    Utah didn't in 2004 or 2008."

    Regarding '84--

    Brigham Young

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    @Spokane Ute - many of us know exactly what Killarney is talking about. Your rants about the weakness of the Michigan team beaten by BYU to clinch the national title in 1984 exposes your overwhelming ignorance of the nature of that Michigan team, just as Killarney has explained. That was an incredible victory against a very, very good Michigan team whose record was merely reflective of the injuries they had sustained, which had been overcome by the time of the bowl game. Had they been healthy throughout the season - as they were against BYU - they would have easily played in the Rose Bowl and would likely have been a very highly ranked team.

    That victory against Michigan was impressive enough to win unanimous acclaim from every voting organization in its day, although envious and clueless Ute fans 30 years later surely know better than all of them. Just like Washington, who thought they were robbed of the NC, then got their butts kicked by BYU at the beginning of next season.

    By the way, the 2004 and 2008 Ute teams deserve all the props you can think up, and should have been given their shot at the championship.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "...does 52-21 ring a bell?"

    Wow, you dominated one of the worst BYU teams of the last half century. Take a bow.

    "If going undefeated is so unremarkable, why hasn't [BYU] come any closer than 2 losses during this same era?"

    If 11-2 is so unremarkable, why hasn't Utah (except for 2004/2008) EVER had an 11-win season? Bronco bookended Kyle's 13-0 season with THREE 11-2 seasons.

    "BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent."

    BYU 1984 beat Air Force(8-4), which finished #24 in the Final AP poll, unranked only because the 1984 poll only ranked the Top 20, but higher in the poll than Pittsburgh 2004, which finished #25 in the final AP poll.

    Margin of victory is a meaningless comparison. BYU 1984 was a more defensive oriented team, as evidenced by their three remarkable goal line stands versus Pittsburgh, Air Force and Hawaii.

    Excluding the meaningless 12th regular season game versus USU after BYU had already risen to #1 in the polls, the overall record of BYU's 1984 opponents was almost identical to Utah's 11 2004 opponents.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    @Snack PAC

    "Did we deserve a title game? Nope. 2008? Yes."

    Obviously, the answer is NOPE for both 2004 and 2008 - not according to the BCS rules; the Utes finished #6 in the final BCS standings both years.

    ---------

    Obviously is was my opinion, just like it is my opinion that TCU 2010 deserved a shot at the title.

    Ironic you pull up the same BCS top 6 rule which existed from 1998 to 2006. The same rule that SOME BYU "fan" argues that never existed prior to 2004. Falsely calming that #10 Tulane, #8 Marshall, and yes 2001 BCS fraud #16 BYU were deserving of a BCS game.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    Aug. 7, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    If you borrowed your logo from another team a.k.a. The Washington Redskins, you really don't deserve any props.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 3:34 p.m.

    Uteology

    BYU 2001 was 12-0 until December when BYU was hit with a triple set back.

    First - BYU lost Luke Staley, the best running back in the nation in a win at Mississippi State

    Second - Because of 9-11, BYU-MSU was moved from September 15th to December 1st, forcing BYU to travel to Starksville for a Saturday night game, return to Provo on Sunday, and then travel to Hawaii for a night game the following Saturday, a distance of 6,400 miles traveled in less than a week

    Third - while still undefeated and ranked #9 in the AP poll, BYU was informed that they had been removed from consideration for a BCS bowl

    Losing their star running back, combined with the physical fatigue and mental letdown were simply too much for the team to handle and BYU lost big to a well-rested Hawaii team on their home turf.

    Hardly a BCS fraud, except in the eyes of a jealous Utah fan.

    If not for 9-11, BYU might well have beaten #17 MSU in mid-September, not lost a rested Staley, and been undefeated and ranked in the Top 5 at seasons end.

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    Aug. 7, 2013 4:10 p.m.

    1984 National Champions - BYU. That ain't goint to change.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    @Letsdebate

    If you honestly believe that beating a 5 loss team by 7 points is impressive, then there's no need to carry this conversaton any furhter. Your bias is very, very obvious. Michigan wasn't even close to the Rose Bowl. Purdue thumped them. Purdue would have went, even if Michigan had beaten Ohio State. I noticed the Sportsfan never admitted that. I guess it's easier to make stuff up then use facts. As far as ranting goes, I'm merely stating facts and statistics which really put you on the defensive. Was it BYU's fault that the system was what is was? Of course not. Again, no team has EVER won the NC with 5 loses or with out beating a single team ranked in the final top 20. No team ever will in the future. Care to refute that? Congrats on winning the NC by default, because that's exactly what happened and everyone outside of BYU knows it. When you have to use injuries as an excuse, that's a sad day indeed. We can agree to disagee. Have a good evening.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    In 1984, Michigan lost it's second game of the season, at home, to Washington 20-11. I'm sure the whole team must have been injured and didn't recoved until the Holiday Bowl. Ask Bo Schembeclher who had the best team that year, he should know. He certainly didn't think it was BYU. Naw, letsdebate and Sportsfan know better. Too funny!

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    Correct me if I'm wrong, but the national championship is given to the best team in the nation. Whether or not you believe that BYU won it by default (or they backed into it), BYU was deemed to be the BEST team in the nation that year. Who cares if some other team some 10 years later was better. Alabama's team last year was probably better than BYU's 1984 team, but does that mean that BYU's 1984 championship suddenly needs to have an asterisk?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    So your idea of a "civil, factual and interesting debate" is to attempt to malign BYU's greatest accomplishment, the Nation Football Championship, amid other attempts to diminish and marginalize their program?

    Only a utah "fan" would try to claim that is "civil, factual and interesting". But hey, you're a utah "fan" so no surprise there.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    River Cougar

    BYU won the NC in 1984. Is it their fault the system was what it was? Of course not. Is the NC given to the best team in the country? That's higly debatable. In my opinion the BCS system does a better of job of determining this, since they match up the two highest rated teams. However a 8 - 16 team playoff would be more effective. No other champion, in any other sport is determined by popular vote. Again, correct me if I'm wrong, but has and other team won the NC without beating a top 20 team; or beating a team with 5 loses in a bowl game? NO, and that's a fact!

    FYI, born and raised in Riverton; Bingham HS, class of '82

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 7, 2013 5:42 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "In 1984, Michigan lost it's second game of the season, at home, to Washington 20-11."

    BYU beat Michigan by a nearly identical score of 24-17, yet some jealous fans claim that Washington was sooooo much better than BYU.

    Washington and a Nebraska were both invited to play #1-ranked BYU for a shot at the national championship, and both turned down their invitations to try to back-door their way into a national championship by playing a lower-ranked team.

    By contract, BYU had no choice but to play whoever the Holiday Bowl lined up to play BYU.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 7:34 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    How many major college football national champions can say that they were deemed more worthy of being national champions than any other team in the country by ALL of these major national organizations?

    - Associated Press (AP)
    - United Press International (Coaches)
    - Sports Illustrated
    - CNN-USA Today
    - Football Writers Association of America (FWAA)
    - National Football Foundation (NFF)

    Not even 2003 BCS champion LSU can make that claim, because USC, which wasn't even invited to the 2003 BCS championship game, won the AP National Championship.

    Except for USC, BYU has won more Consensus National Championships (AP and Coaches) than the rest of the PAC 12 combined.

    As far as BCS championships go, BYU has won as many BCS National Championships as the entire PAC 12 combined.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:09 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    "As far as BCS championships go, BYU has won as many BCS National Championships as the entire PAC 12 combined."

    Since USC's 2004 BCS national championship was stripped from them and the Trojans were required to return their Crystal Football National Championship trophy, this, unfortunately for the PAC 12, is true.

    Unless the PAC 12 wins the BCS national championship this year, the conference won't ever have a BCS national champion. Don't forget, the BCS era ends this year. The playoffs start in 2014.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:13 p.m.

    @ AZUTE

    When you refer to, two star BYU, are you referencing their Two Star former Quarterbacks, McMahon and Young, who have actually played in and won Super Bowls?

    Something no Utah QB has ever accomplished.

    BYU...
    Living rent free in AZUTE, Naval Vet, Howard and Spokane Ute's, heads, RENT FREE, 24-7.

    Hilarious!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    Seriously Ute fans, still having a tizzy over BYU's "Unanimous" National Championship?
    After nearly 30 years?
    It's in the books.
    Wrap it!

    U fans really do need to move on.

    BYU has received every Major Award, which College Football has to offer.
    Utah, on the other hand, has absolutely none of these things.

    That's why BYU is a recognizable National Brand and Legacy school, while Utah is just another Conference Bottom-feeder.

    This story is about BYU's logo being among the best and Utah's nowhere to be seen.
    Why?
    Because the Washington Redskins beat you to it.

    End of story.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:04 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    How many national champions can match this record building to a national championship?

    1979 #13/#12 11-1
    1980 #12/#12 12-1
    1981 #13/#11 11-2
    1982 unranked 8-4
    1983 #7/#7 11-1
    1984 #1/#1 13-0

    FIVE Top 12 Finishes in 6 seasons, 66-9 overall (88%), 6 conference championships, and a 24-game winning streak.

    Compare that to

    Utah 2004:
    1999 unranked 9-3
    2000 unranked 4-7
    2001 unranked 8-4
    2002 unranked 5-6
    2003 #21/#21 10-2
    2004 #4/#5 12-0
    TWO Top 21 finishes, 2 losing seasons, 48-22 (69%) overall, 2 conference championships.

    or

    Utah 2008
    2003 #21/#21 10-2
    2004 #4/#5 12-0
    2005 unranked 7-5
    2006 unranked 8-5
    2007 unranked 9-4
    2008 #2/#4 13-0
    THREE Top 21 finishes, 59-16 (79%) overall, 3 conference championships.

    In the official BCS championship polls for 2004 and 2008, the Utes finished #5 and #4, tied and barely higher than BYU's #5-ranked 1996 Cotton Bowl winning team.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 7, 2013 9:06 p.m.

    @All the BYU fans in denial

    No wins over a ranked team. A narrow 24-17 victory over a 6-5 team in a lower tier bowl. What other team can say that? Um, ah, eh...........

    Enough said, NC by default no matter how you want to spin it. Was it there fault? Of course not. Sorry if the truth hurts; but that's exactly what it is.....live with it; and accept it; move on, it was over 30 years ago, not that't the End of Story!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "No wins over a ranked team..."

    but a road win against the #24 team in the final AP poll, a team that finished higher in the final AP poll than the only ranked team Utah played in 2004, #25 Pittsburgh.

    Only a blindly jealous Utah fan obsessed with his BYU-hatred couldn't see that BYU paid its dues and so impressed the nation with 6 outstanding years of excellent football, that when BYU finished the 1984 season as the only unbeaten team in the nation, BYU had so impressed the majority of college football experts that BYU was chosen the consensus National Champion by every major college football organization in the country.

    Obviously they could see and appreciate what you're too stubbornly blind to see.

    Despite your frantic and emotional attempts to deny reality, BYU is the proud and deserving owner of a Crystal Football National Championship Trophy that is only awarded to legitimate major college football National Champions.

    The only one hurt by the truth is U! Live with it, accept it, and move on; none of your jealous whining is going to change history.

    National Championships
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    True End of Story!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    CordonBleu
    Park City, UT

    Uteology

    BYU 2001 was 12-0 until December when BYU was hit with a triple set back....Third - while still undefeated and ranked #9 in the AP poll, BYU was informed that they had been removed from consideration for a BCS bowl

    -----------

    AP rankings? Try searching BCS weekly rankings in 2001.

    To guarantee a BCS game a mid-major had to finish 6 or higher in BCS rankings.

    A) BYU has never been ranked in the top 10 let alone 6 or higher in the BCS rankings. In 2001 at 12-0 they were ranked #12 they were never going to jump 6 spots by beating Hawaii. Then at 12-1 they dropped out of the top 15, thus no BCS bowl guarantee.

    B) Staley didn't play defense... your defense got lit up for 72-45. It looks like your offense wasn't as fatigued as your defense because they ran 103 plays compared to 73 for Hawaii:

    BYY vs HI

    Total Yards: 612 vs 646
    Total Plays: 105 vs 73
    Passing: 515 vs 543
    Rushing: 97 vs 103
    Penalties: 12 vs 15
    Yds: 110 vs 168
    Turnovers: 7 vs 5

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 10:35 p.m.

    @Whatsnu

    How many national champions can match this record building to a national championship?

    -----------

    How many played a WAC schedule?

    TCU went 35-3 and they beat more ranked teams than BYU did over those 7 years, yet they never came close to a national title.

    The only reason your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each other. That's not an accomplishment, that's called winning by default.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    Whatsnu
    Sandy, UT

    Spokane Ute

    How many national champions can match this record building to a national championship?

    1979 #13/#12 11-1
    1980 #12/#12 12-1
    1981 #13/#11 11-2
    1982 unranked 8-4
    1983 #7/#7 11-1
    1984 #1/#1 13-0

    --------------

    Boise State another WAC team in different era:

    2002 12-1 AP #15
    2003 13-1 #16
    2004 11-1 #12
    2005 9-4
    2006 13-0 #5
    2007 10-3
    2008 12-1 #11
    2009 14-0 #4
    2010 12-1 #9
    2011 12-1 #8
    2012 11-2 #18

    TCU:
    2005 11-1 AP #11
    2006 11-2 #22
    2007 11-2 unranked
    2008 11-2 #7
    2009 12-1 #6
    20010 13-0 #2

    The difference is BYU kept climbing when teams around them lost but for TCU and Boise the ceiling was set at #2.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 11:15 p.m.

    @CordonBleu

    First, at 12-0 BYU was #12 in BCS rankings and dropped out at 12-1. So BYU was never going to be guaranteed a BCS bowl since you were never going to be ranked in the top 6.

    Second, it seems BYU offense was so fatigued that they ran 103 plays for 615 yards (Hawaii ran 73 plays for 645 yards). Yet it was your defense that got exposed 72-45.

    Third, Luke Staley plays offense so I don't know how he could have helped BYU's defense standing on the sideline.

    Fourth, even without Staley BYU still scored 45 points which was above your season average of 44 PPG

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 6:20 a.m.

    Uteology

    "The only reason your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each other."

    Isn't that what happens every year. Other teams lose and those that don't rise to the top of the rankings? That's certainly the way Utah rose to the Top 5 in 2004, since the Utes didn't beat anyone of consequence during the regular season (three teams with winning records, none with better than a 7-5 record).

    It's entirely possible that a rested BYU team, with a healthy Staley, and a BCS berth riding on the outcome, would have beaten Hawaii and been invited to play in a BCS game as an at-large team.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

    I like and respect Bosco, but in this case, I have to disagree with his statement (which was taken out of context, by the way).

    First, the voters, not the BCS system, determine who's ranked No. 1.

    Second, in response to the controversy created by the voters in the AP poll naming USC as the No. 1 ranked team at the end of the 2003 season, the formula was rewritten. Supporters of USC and the media in general criticized the fact that polls were not weighted more heavily than computer rankings and this criticism led to the new algorithm. This revised system places twice as much emphasis on polls than computer rankings and makes it highly unlikely that the top team in both polls would be denied a place in the title game, as happened in the 2003–04 season.

    BYU would have played in the BCS championship game.

    (continued)

  • shorts Payson, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    The funny thing is I like the Utes helmets. The red and helmets they wore with the black look really good.

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:00 a.m.

    Whether BYU would have beaten Washington, Nebraska or Oklahoma in the BCS Championship game is impossible to know, but there's this:

    BYU and Washington both beat Michigan (their only common opponent) by similar scores, and Washington beat Oklahoma in the Orange Bowl, suggesting that BYU could have held their own against either team.

    And, 8 months after the Holiday Bowl, BYU did play Washington and brutally curb stomped the Huskies 31-3 in what many viewed as a chance for BYU to prove they were better than the Huskies, a team some fans had suggested should have won the 1984 title.

    As the #1-ranked team in both polls at the end of the regular season BYU deserved the opportunity to prove themselves against another top-ranked team. The fact the BYU wasn't given that opportunity isn't an indictment on BYU, but on the system that locked teams into certain bowls and prevented the top-ranked teams from playing each other.

    Despite the jealous nay saying of our friends on the hill, BYU did everything they could to prove that they were worthy of being the 1984 National Champions and all FIVE major college football national organizations agreed.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    Uteology

    "How many played a WAC schedule?"

    It's laughable how Utah fans constantly demean a conference that the Utes were members of for 37 years.

    The truth is, throughout the history of the WAC, there were some VERY, VERY GOOD teams like Arizona State, BYU, Air Force, and Boise State. Unfortunately for U, the Utes weren't one of those teams.

    btw, TCU only played 38 games in 7 years? hard to believe; try again.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:18 a.m.

    Uteology

    "The only reason your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each other. That's not an accomplishment, that's called winning by default."

    Only in the jealous world of Uteville is an undefeated season not an accomplishment.

    If the WAC was really such a weak conference, why weren't the Utes more competitive? And how did the Utes become BCS busters in the MWC, which was basically the exact same core group of teams?

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    "TCU went 35-3 and they beat more ranked teams than BYU did over those 7 years, yet they never came close to a national title.

    The only reason your team won a title is because teams around BYU beat each other. That's not an accomplishment, that's called winning by default."

    OR as I said before, the reason BYU won the national championship while others didn't is because BYU, unlike the others, proved that they were the best team that year. You cannot dispute that! You might say Washington or Nebraska were the best, but they didn't want to play BYU (afraid they would lose? hmmmmm), so they forfeited their chance to prove it. Besides, didn't BYU play Washington the very next season? How did that go?

    If you're mad at anyone for BYU's national championship, get mad at Washington or Nebraska. BYU would most likely have beaten them, too (after all, the polls give the vote for #1 to the team they think is #1 in the country, hence the term "ranking").

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:33 a.m.

    Uteology

    "Boise State another WAC team in different era:..."

    A WAC conference composed of an entirely different set of core teams.

    The only thing similar about the WAC conference BYU played in in 1984 and the WAC conference Boise State played in during the 2000's is the name.

    Neither TCU nor Boise State ever had the run of FIVE of six Top 12 finishes culminating in an undefeated season like BYU did from 1979 to 1984.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    Aug. 8, 2013 7:58 a.m.

    Uteology

    Although every season is judged on it's own merits, it's important to remember that previous track record is considered by the poll voters in determining which teams are contenders and which teams are only flash-in-the-pan pretenders.

    It's also important to remember that it's impossible to compare a team's performance during one season versus how that performance would have been judged versus another season, since the circumstances surrounding each season are entirely different.

    An undefeated season may be the minimum standard for winning a national championship one season, whereas, a one- or two-loss season may be good enough to win the national championship in another season.

    Just because TCU's and Boise State's best seasons were overshadowed by the performances of other teams during those same seasons, doesn't mean BYU's 1984 performance wasn't worthy of a national championship.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Hysterical Ute fans are still anxious over BYU's "Unanimous National Championship".... "THIRTY YEARS AGO"?

    On an article about helmet Logo's?

    Absolutely Hilarious!

  • 1978 Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 8:36 a.m.

    To all Ute Posters:

    The reason BYU won the consensus National Championship in 1984, from people who are not biased one way or the other for BYU or Utah, had as much (if not more) to do with what they did in 1983 as what they did in 1984. After losing the first game of the season to Baylor on the road they won 11 straight games including ROAD games against Pac 10 and Rose Bowl Champion UCLA #17 and Air Force #13. They also beat a Missouri team in the Holiday bowl that was ranked in the top 20 at that time.

    If Utah had similar success in 2007 before the 2008 season I personally believe they would have built up enough momentum to potentially play for the National Championship in 2008. This may be hard to believe but BYU fans did NOT cast the votes in the 5 polls at the end of the 1984 season.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    Aug. 8, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    BYU Followers,

    As much as I would love to continue this interesting debate, my prevous factual comment was denied and I have no earthly idea why. We can agree to disagree. BYU will never sniff another NC in the current format; and Utah probably won't either for that matter.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    "BYU will never sniff another NC in the current format; and Utah probably won't either for that matter."

    That is actually the first "factual" comment you have made. The rest were angst ridden jealousy. But of course regardless of whether BYU will evern "sniff ANOTHER NC in the current format" or not they still have one, it is legit and real despite your 2 day effort to try and rationalize it away, it exists, and it isn't going to change.

    utah on the otherhand, they'll never get even one.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    That would make Yale #3, right?

    Seriously, The U's better than Wazzu's, UW's UAz, Ucla's at the minimum.

    I personally think AZ State's is pretty cool.

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    to CougFaninTX...

    Originality in Provo? Surely, you jest!?

  • royalblue Alpine, UT
    Aug. 8, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Mister J

    "Originality in Provo? Surely, you jest!?"

    You obviously haven't heard of BYU's Center for Animation which just won its 12th Emmy in 10 years.

  • JonnyDanger HOUSTON, TX
    Aug. 9, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    On article topic: I have always thought WSU's logo was creative and clever, if not particularly eye-grabbing.

    On comment-board topic: Alabama never would have won the NC last year without others around them losing in the final weeks. LSU never would have won the NC a few years ago without others around them losing. In most years an undefeated BYU (or 2004/2008 Utah or Boise or TCU) would not have the opportunity to play for/win an NC because other undefeated teams would be "more deserving". As any non-BCS fan knows, this is the way it works.

    If Boise had gone undefeated either of the past two years, they may have gotten a chance. If more teams around them had lost, the 2008 Utah team may have gotten a chance. If fewer teams around them had lost, 1984 BYU may not have their NC. Different years, different scenarios.

    HOWEVER... The fact that BYU was a unanimous champ by all voting organizations means that a significant majority of the voters that season thought they were the best. Call it backdooring or call it deserving based on past success or call it undeserving-it is what it is.

  • MapleDon Springville, UT
    Aug. 10, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Nobody wants you in their league. But hey, you've got a great logo.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    Aug. 10, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    MapleDon

    Not entirely true; the Big 12 wanted BYU if BYU had been willing to play on Sunday. Some things are simply more important than a conference affiliation.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 11, 2013 12:34 a.m.

    Yawn.

    People flipping thru TV channels will run across ESPN2 or whatever and see the "Y" logo lose against another ranked team.
    That's what will remind them of BYU.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    Aug. 11, 2013 1:27 a.m.

    Am I the only one amused by this fascinating Ute fan logic---BYU's small margins of victory in '84 make them a weak team. Simultaneously, Utah's plethora of last-second-play victories over BYU in recent history (these wins go both ways, hence the best rivalry year in-year out in the nation in my opinion (I'm extremely biased)) are not even mentioned (by Ute fans) to be extremely close games, that clearly could have gone either way. Be universal with your logic Ute fans. Discounting BYU's close wins while promoting Utah's close wins is hypocritical at the core.

    As far as the article goes- don't get all up in a fuss about this guys opinion...the W for BYU and the L for Utah in this one don't actually go on the real schedule/count towards BCS rankings/matter at all. Treat it as such.