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  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 10:09 a.m.

    Hopefully it happens, and Utah can start getting more respect in the PAC12 and represent the state. I love to rib, joke, and make jabs at Utah as a Cougar fan, but I sincerely do hope that the utes can turn it around and have some success. Good luck in what will easily be the toughest year for the U.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    Aug. 4, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    A four year void in a healthy, quality QB and three different Offensive Coordinators in three years has contributed greatly to Utah's slow start in the PAC 12. No one should underestimate the effect Dennis Erickson will have on the offense. Healthy, quality QB's and a deeper bench under DE's offensive leadership will now have the Utes on their way. Will they be in the Rose Bowl this year? Of course not. However, those jealous folks with their snide comments about Arizona and Maryland will be disappointed in the coming years. Here comes four in a row; Go Utes!

  • Max-was-right springville, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    Will the Utes ever going bowling again is the question!!!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Max-was-right

    "Will the Utes ever going bowling again is the question!!!"

    Considering Utah has already been bowling one out of the two years they've played in the Pac 12 I think it's pretty safe to say they'll be going to more bowl games in the future.
    ____

    Question, are there any BYU fans out there that cringe when their cougar brothers continue to go to the bowl conversation despite the fact that it was the only year in the last ten that Utah hasn't been to one? It just comes across as extremely desperate if you ask me. There's gotta be something better coug fans can use to shake up Ute fans, this one just makes us laugh.

  • TanMan_101 West Jordan, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    @Max-was-right
    Will the Cougars ever beat Utah again is the question!!!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    Aug. 4, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Cougsanddaugs,

    "I love to rib, joke, and make jabs at Utah as a Cougar fan, but I sincerely do hope that the utes can turn it around and have some success."

    I'm with you 100% on that except I don't joke, rib, or make jab at the Utes or disrespect them in any way. I do sometimes try and respond to a lot of the hate from some of their fans in which a few of my comments never made the cut. There's nothing more I would love to see than Utah to tear up their conference and win the Rose Bowl someday. But I will also root against them only when they play BYU.

    Go Cougs beat Utah! And good luck to the Utes too after we beat them. How sweet that would be!

  • Love skiing Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    "Will the Utes ever go bowling again" Yes they will. The real question is, when will the cougars have a winning bowl record. What's the point of the bowling smack when your team have a losing records in bowl games. Go Utes.

  • MrRed Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    When will the UofU hold a memorial for Gaius Vaenuku?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 4, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Love skiing

    beeeep!

    Try again.

    While BYU and Utah have both won 13 bowl games, the real difference between BYU and Utah in bowl game performance is

    16 of BYU's 31 bowl opponents (52%) have been ranked in both polls, including 8 in the Top 15, and 4 in the Top 10

    only 4 of Utah's 17 bowl opponents (24%) have been ranked in both polls, including 3 in the Top 15, and only 2 in the Top 10.

    The real question is, how many of Utah's bowl teams, win or lose, have been good enough to be ranked in the Final AP Poll?

    AP Ranked Bowl Teams
    BYU 16 (BYU had one ranked team that didn't play in a Fiesta Bowl played on a Sunday)
    Utah 5

  • Sambonethegreat Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    When will Utah beat a Pac opponent with a winning record? Gotta start there first before U go bowling. Just saying.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    ARE YOU KIDDING?

    Utah has no chance for a bowl game this season...have you looked at the schedule.

    This has to be a rebuilding year where 5-7 will be a huge step in the right direction.

    PAC-12 is loaded this year so IT'S best TO set sights on 2014 when realistically the schedule will improve. Taking state will be a miracle but anything better would be a pipe dream.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    Aug. 4, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    Of course the utes can go bowling!

    There are plenty of bowling alleys in Utah.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 12:22 a.m.

    @snack pac

    Your logic has a serious flaw. A team that wins their bowl game will obviously be ranked higher, hence the reason why a few of the cougars opponents ended up getting votes in the final polls. Utah has the best bowl winning percentage and so their bowl game opponents end with a loss and are bumped down in the polls.

    It was a nice try to deceive those that don't pay attention.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    Aug. 5, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    Coach Whittingham is to be commended for giving his players plenty of down time in December to study for finals.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    wwookie

    Nice spin, but you're not deceiving anybody but yourself.

    The serious flaw in your logic is that most of BYU's ranked bowl opponent were ranked high enough that, like BYU, they still would have been ranked in the final poll even with a bowl loss.

    Utah didn't become a regular bowl participant until the proliferation of bowls began in the early 90's, and even then, the Utes were usually a 3rd- or 4th-place team from the WAC or MWC, meaning, of course, that most of Utah's bowl opponents were just as mediocre as the Utes.

    While BYU was playing Top 25 conference champions and 9- and 10-win teams from major conferences, the Utes were playing 6-, 7-, and 8-win conference also rans from mid-major conferences and 5th- and 6th-place teams from major conferences.

    Bottom line, win or lose, 16 of BYU's bowl teams were good enough to be ranked in the Final AP poll, while, win or lose, only 5 of Utah's bowl teams were good enough to be ranked.

    Obviously, mediocre Utah teams beating up on other mediocre teams in a bowl didn't fool anybody except the kids on the hill.

  • Alterego Harrisville, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    Utah doesn't go to bowl games anymore.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    wwookie

    "A team that wins their bowl game will obviously be ranked higher, hence the reason why a few of the cougars opponents ended up getting votes in the final polls."

    So why have only a handful of Utah's bowl-winning been ranked?

    And, how have so many of BYU's bowl-losing teams been ranked?

    The truth is, NOBODY is impressed with Utah's bowl winning percentage except U. Utah's win over #56 Ga Tech is a perfect example. Utah actually DROPPED in the final Sagarin rankings after beating Ga Tech in the Sun Bowl.

    Spin that with your "logic".

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    Why did the DN use a pic from last season's Utah-USC game to accompany this story instead of pic from Utah's last bowl game?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    Aug. 5, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    Can't wait for August 29th! I am tired of playing the posting game for entertainment, I want football action!!

    Go Utes!

    Cougs and thebigsamoan: always enjoy your contributions. Your views are not driven by a hatred or by a desire for failure and I respect that. You represent your team well.

    Go Utes!

  • dden45 Provo, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    This Ute/BYU pre-rivalry game posturing and chest-beating is going to get unbearable during the two-year hiatus.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    Aug. 5, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    Pac-12 preview: Utah Utes eager to go bowling again’

    ________

    Independent preview: BYU eager to play in the Kraft Fight Hunger or whatever bowl again.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    BYU eager to win their 5th straight bowl.

    Utah eager to play in their 2nd straight couch potato bowl.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    Aug. 5, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    @Snack PAC.

    As I posted before there is no question that Utah has dominated in the BCS era:

    Utah is 10-1 (91%) vs BYU 6-5 (55%)

    36% of Utah’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30

    27% of BYU’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 36% in the AP top 30 (55% in top 35)

    The difference, BYU loses so your opponent moves up in rankings:
    2001: BYU 10 Louisville 28 (AP #23 - Final #17)
    2005: BYU 28 Cal 35 (#31 - #25)

    When Utah wins our opponent moves down:
    2003: Utah 17 Southern Miss 0 (AP #28 - Final #42)
    2004: Utah 35 Pitt 7 (#19 - #25)
    2005: Utah 38 GTech 10 (#24 - unranked)

  • Love skiing Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    Snack Pac- spin it all you want. Results don't lie. BYU have a losing record in bowl games. I love BYU but it is what it is. Deal with it. Get to .500 and then talk.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but none of your weak arguments explain how BYU can LOSE a bowl game and still be ranked, while Utah, even with a bowl win, still isn't good enough to be ranked.

    The final AP/Coaches Rankings say it all:

    BYU
    2011 ur/#25
    2009 #12/#12
    2008 #25/#21
    2007 #14/#15
    2006 #16/#15
    2001 #25/#24
    1996 #5/#5
    1994 #18/#10
    1991 #23/#23
    1990 #22/#17
    1989 #22/#18
    1985 #16/#17
    1984 #1/#1
    1983 #7/#7
    1981 #13/#11
    1980 #12/#11
    1979 #13/#12
    1977 #20/#16

    Utah
    2010 ur/#23
    2009 #18/#18
    2008 #2/#4
    2004 #4/#5
    2003 #21/#21
    1994 #10/#8
    1964 ur/#14

    of the 1053 AP Polls to date:

    BYU has been ranked in 22%: 11 times (Preseason), 17 times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)
    Utah has been ranked in 7%: 2 times (Preseason), 5 times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)

    Spin it however helps U sleep at night, but if the Utes and their bowl opponents had really been any good, they would have been ranked in the final polls.

    The final rankings are the final word.

    Live with it!

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    Aug. 5, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    Uteology

    "When Utah wins our opponent moves down:..."

    In 2011, when Utah won the Sun Bowl, not only did Utah's opponent Ga Tech move down, so did Utah.

    2011 Pre-Bowl Sagarin Rankings
    #41 BYU versus #31 Tulsa
    #38 Utah versus #45 Ga Tech

    2011 Final Sagarin Rankings
    #34 BYU, #35 Tulsa
    #39 Utah, #56 Ga Tech

    While Tulsa barely dropped after losing to BYU in the Armed Forces Bowl, the teams in the Sun Bowl were so pathetic, that not only did the loser plummet 11 places, the winner also dropped a place, leaving the loser of the Armed Forces Bowl ranked higher than the winner of the Sun Bowl.

    Another one of those much talked about "impressive" bowl wins for the Utes. LOL!

  • steeleute Sandy, UT
    Aug. 6, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    Max-was-right:

    No, the real question is will BYU ever accomplish something meaningful during the BCS era like, oh I don't know, actually go to a BCS bowl game?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    Aug. 7, 2013 8:11 a.m.

    steeleute

    No the real question is will Utah ever accomplish ANYTHING meaningful on a national scale in any era, like say, winning a national championship, winning a Heisman Trophy, winning a national individual award, having a player selected to the national college football hall of fame, or even reach double digits in AP Top 25 rankings sometime during their first century and a half of football.

    Utah's trophy closet is completely bereft of any national individual or team trophies.