Call me crazy, but isn't the ultimate indicator of value how you feel about
a product after it's purchase? You may be willing to embrace a little risk
and pay a particular price up front, but the actual value you place on it is not
evident until afterward. BYU and Utah football are not great values
right now. BYU rarely beats competitive teams, and Utah is getting it handed to
them by other teams in their "power conference".Hopefully
that changes soon, but right now I wouldn't pay what either one is asking
Great article, it was interesting to read about how the Utah schools compare to
one another and to out-of-state schools. I wish I could get Badger tickets for
the price y'all pay in Utah.
Its obvious that Utah is shooting themselves in the foot the longer Hill refuses
to upgrade the stadium. Obviously there are risks, but over time the upgrades
pay off. Utah has several high profile home games every single year now being
part of the Pac-12, and without signle game tickets because of the 98% renewal
rate of season tickets, the university isnt profiting because of wasted
opportunity.FatMan,I know these aren't your teams, but you
sound like a fair-weather fan to me. I payed $90 for two tickets in the South
End Zone for this past years game vs. Cal, I felt pretty good about the purchase
even when you factor in the hours and cash I wasted when I had to drive out to
some guys house to buy his tickets off KSL and I got a flat tire during a snow
I have had Utah season tickets for 11 years now and will continue to renew them.
I am willing to pay more for them if necessary because they are under-priced
for what you get. That however should not be interpreted as me wanting the price
to go up. And yes, I will continue to buy them even if Utah has a bad season.
It's called loyalty. As for value,try to go to an away game at any BCS
school and see if you still think we are getting a bad deal here. You'll
notice they didn't even factor in food prices at other stadiums. I took my
family to the game against UCLA and to say I felt ripped off is an
understatement. $16 for a drink and a truly disgusting stale hotdog. You would
think for that price they could at least grill it instead of boiling it in
water. I would have gotten a burger, but it looked like it was being readied
for use as the puck in a local hockey game. So many people don't realize
how good we really have it here.
FatMan86,You are putting too much weight on wins and loses. Sure I
want Utah to win all the time but I also enjoy watching the other team play and
when USC, Oregon, Stanford, Washington, ASU etc come to town it is a real kick
to watch Utah go against great competition. Case in point, the Utah Jazz do not
win many playoff games lately but how many Jazz fans show up to watch the Jazz
go up against the Lakers, the Heat, Spurs etc. People will pay good money to
watch great teams no matter how well your own team is doing.
End zone seats $25Drink $5Hot Dog $4Home and homes every
single season with USC, UCLA, Oregon, Stanford, and other prestigious teams like
Michigan...Priceless!I love my Pac 12 membership!
Are there any other top 25 teams in the country that you can see for that cheap?
We get a steal of a deal up in Logan!
I wonder it the "premium" seats at Utah and USU include food and if the
ones for BYU are the ones that do. I just know the ones I consider
"premium" for BYU include admission to the big food tent next to the
stadium where you can eat before, during, and after the game and includes an
individual cooler of snacks under your seat. This might help explain the
difference but without know, you can't be sure. Agreeing to move to Provo,
meant my spouse had to agree to letting me buy season tickets each year. Helps
ease the sacrifice for me.
jdub - couldn't agree with you more about expansion. 98% season ticket
renewal after a bad season is proof enough that the demand is there and delayed
expansion is wasted opportunity.Go Utes!
Three things to remember:* television revenue* players
don't receive a salary* BYU has the highest attendance
Well Chris, one clear advantage you have as a Ute fan is with such a small
stadium and rare sell-outs, you can always sit close to the action and watch
Utah get pummeled by better teams. It would be great if Utah could get up for
its other games like it does for BYU. They'd be in the Rose Bowl every
year.By contrast, BYU was selling 45k seats for its home games
(similar to RES capacity) way back in the 1970's.It would be
great for the U's program if all their fans put their money where their
mouth is and started going to games.
I bought season tickets back when BYU upgraded their stadium because they were
$15 just to see what it looked like and have been renewing them ever since. I
have watched Notre Dame, Texas, Texas A&M, USC, Miami, Florida State,
Washington, and Penn State among others. I pay $180 per ticket now for 6 games
which I think is still a great deal. I think we all have it pretty good.
@eastcoastcoug -A little bitter in your post? For one Chris B made
no reference to any other school and only stated facts. Ticket and food prices
are very reasonable and season ticket holders get to see USC, UCLA, ASU, and U
of A every other year. Also will see Michigan, Oregon, and Stanford over the
next couple of years. Hard to argue that Utah didn't get some nice perks
from joining the PAC 12 regardless of what BYU does or doesn't do.
Me bitter? I'm just stating the facts about paid attendance at games vs.
talking about the teams. I wish Utah well in their quest. Can't take a
little good-natured ribbing??
@eastcoastcoug "with such a small stadium and rare sell-outs, you can
always sit close to the action and watch Utah get pummeled... By contrast, BYU
was selling 45k seats for its home games way back in the 1970's."Utah has sold out all home games over the last 2 years (probably
longer). BYU was giving away tickets in the 70's. Unsold tickets were
sent to bishops in nearby wards, our family attended BYU games at no cost all of
the time. Utah is 47-11 at home over the last 10 years. Never let the facts
get in the way of a good post.
East Coast KittyThe Utes have been oversold in their stadium since
2007. That's 37 straight sell outs. We can only buy what is available.
Your Cougars rarely sell out their stadium. Considering byu fans are
half the state, every game should be sold out. Because less than 20% of the
state is Utah fans, I would say Utah fans as a whole are doing a lot better at
bringing fans than byu fans by a long shot.
U 90eastcoastcoug..."...as a Ute fan is with such a small
stadium and rare sell-outs, you can always sit close to the action and watch
Utah get pummeled by better teams." Still bitter, eh? I can't
remember the last time RES was not standing room only. As for the
pummeling...the Utes have done some themselves. However, at the end of the day,
the hot ticket is always at the RES. byu announced their 2014
schedule. Go take a look at it...you'll be thrilled.
What is the cost of upgrading the U stadium? Why can't the school get this
done?Utah will likely host another Olympics in the next thirty years
and needs to have a bigger venue for the opening ceremonies. The U even if they
lost every single game for five years will be able to sell at least 50k seats
simply because of all the PAC12 fans wanting to see their alma maters play
locally. The only logical reason the school hasn't moved forward on this
issue has to be cost. @MyPerspective2014 is a fantastic
schedule for the cougars, especially if the last unscheduled game is a marquee
match-up. Its better than the 2004, 2008 Utes schedules, and may be just
balanced enough to mark a perfect season and a trip to the playoffs. I'd
rank it as the third best BYU schedule of all time. One of the benefits of
independence is you don't have to play set teams that are always bad.
While UNLV shows up on the schedule, it is the only team that hasn't had
respectable records the last five years.
Less than 20% of the state are Utah fans? A) Not provable, B) not likely true.
And BYU fans are super cheap...but we should do better about selling tickets.
I'm actually not a big fan of our fans here in provo, but that's
another topic for another time.On to more important things...I really think the U should upgrade their seating, and I don't
think it's that much of a risk. Not that it wasn't a good investment
to upgrade their facilities, but I would have thought get an upgrade that will
bring in more money, which can lead to other upgrades sooner.
eastcoastcoug"It would be great if Utah could get up for its
other games like it does for BYU. They'd be in the Rose Bowl every
year."Actually it's not a matter of Utah getting so
"up" for BYU. The more logical explanation is that BYU just isn't
as good as the majority of Utah's schedule. Sorry.
CO UteIt's not always the content of Chris B's posts that
people have a problem with. You know and I know that the only reason for him to
be here is to agitate people. A little would be OK, but it's EVERY SINGLE
BYU article. It's like what you'd get from the "queen bee" in
Junior High. And like with most 13 and 14 year olds, if you say anything it gets
worse. And because a BYU fan might do similar, it might be a reason, but
it's a poor excuse.
Perhaps the Utes are waiting until we get another winter Olympics here so the
expansion costs can be subsidized again.
These filler stories are getting worse, and we're still over a month away
from starting the season.
First off, I think expanding RES would be great. Filling in the south side of
the stadium to make a complete bowl would look really cool, and I think selling
an extra 10,000 seats per game is completely doable. An expansion of RES would
be nice, but it's not crucial. Upgrading first the football/tennis
facility, then the upper campus athletic facilities were rightly so the top two
priorities on the Athletic Department's docket. The stadium may have one of
the lowest capacity in the conference (though still within 9,000 seats of
Arizona's, Oregon's, Oregon State's, Colorado's, and
Stanford's, who all rank ahead of Utah, but few of them are routinely sold
out as Utah is), but it is entirely up to date, lowering its priority.
Also, the question of where the money funding it is coming from plays a major
factor in prioritizing these projects. I understand that building the track and
field a few years ago was a very low priority for the Athletic Department, until
the McCarthey family stepped forward with a $2 million donation, moving it to
the top of the list, and Campus Rec. offered to pick up the rest for use of the
field during non-athletic department-scheduled times. So if any of you feel like
pledging $20+ million, Dr. Hill may be a little more receptive to expanding the
stadium sooner. But as of right now, getting all the sports programs'
facilities up to date is a bigger priority, such as an on-campus baseball
stadium (which I understand is in the not-too-distant future), and possibly
upgrading the swim and dive facilities (like BYU's, serviceable, and one of
the best in the nation when they were built... 40+ years ago; but obviously far
Wiscougarfan, I will be spending some time this year in western Wisconsin, as
well. Sounds like I may be better off going over to the Gophers' new
stadium to watch my first B1G game, although Camp Randall would be amazing!
A lot of you ask why Utah has not expanded their stadium. The U. has other
facilities that have to be completed first. The money is not yet there to began
expansion. Once the other athletic facilities are completed, Rice-Eccles will
be next. There are plenty of articles about this topic if you desire to learn
I have been a faithful football season ticket holder at BYU for over 30 years,
from the first year of the modern expansion. My children grew up going to
games.One son grew up sitting only 50 feet from his future wife. I have taken my
children and their fiancees to games as well as all except my youngest
grandchild. Now after the last two years of heavy increases in ticket prices I
can no longer afford them. I will no longer be able to enjoy going to games
with my children or grandchildren. Sadly for me, that is the real cost of
football tickets at BYU. I have lost a dear friend.
StGtoSLCCheers for the insight into the UofU stadium situation.
With all of the money that is starting to come in from being part of the PAC12 I
wouldn't be surprised to see stadium expansion happen sooner than later,
along with all of the other projects you mentioned.
"Utah has sold out all home games over the last 2 years (probably longer).
BYU was giving away tickets in the 70's. Unsold tickets were sent to
bishops in nearby wards, our family attended BYU games at no cost all of the
time. Utah is 47-11 at home over the last 10 years. Never let the facts get in
the way of a good post."U90,Did you read the
article? Utah gives away 6000 student tickets every game. BYU makes students
purchase season passes so that they can attend sports events. Sounds like Utah
is still 70s BYU, only instead of giving tickets to Bishops, they are giving
them to students.
First of all, it's easier to sell out a smaller stadium. That is
mathematically understandable; each seat out of 45,000 is a larger percentage
than each seat out of 65,000, just like 5 out 10 is halfway there, but 5 out of
15 is only a third of the way.Second, Utah would do well to expand
their stadium. It is true that there will be down years, but Utah seems to be
selling well enough that the expansion will ultimately be worth it, especially
if Salt Lake hosts another Olympics.BYU is not doing as poorly as
people make it sound. If that were true, they wouldn't have been over 95%
filled to capacity against Idaho in a cold, 8:15pm game in November. If BYU were
more desperate to fill their seats, they would start offering free tickets to
Ya know, if I were a Ute fan, I'd be embarrased by their stadium. What is
it?...in the low 40 thousand? They're in the big time?Puh-leeeease.I know of a HIGH SCHOOL in the Dalls, TX area that
holds 18,000. Yes, 18,000.Go COUGARS!
Why would the u upgrade "other" venues before RES? It's not like
anyone attends them. ur only sports are football and gymnastics and the latter
sells out once a year if they are lucky. I would hope they don't even
consider touching that basketball place (whatever it is called), after seeing
some of the photo's of last years games, u could put everyone courtside.
After a couple more years in the pac 10.2 and being in the cellar begging for
scraps, season ticket holders will be tossing their tickets out with their trash
making sure they hide them so no neighbors find out they wasted their money on
A note on those "free" student tickets. They aren't really free.
We pay for them in our student fees (and I'm sure that applies to the U as
well). So whether the students are buying season tickets on their own (probably
at a discount) at BYU or being forced to pay for them (again, probably at a
discount) via student fees at the U and UState, it's probably all the same.
Personally, I'd prefer not having it as part of student fees. I'd
still buy them, because I like going to games, but I don't like forcing
students to pay for something they may or may not use. This goes for other
student fees as well, but I won't launch into a tirade over student fees,
as it's off topic. :)
It seems many criticise BYU's attendance from last year without knowing the
facts. The average attendance for last year was 61,161. (And that is
attendance, not tickets sold, there is a difference. Tickets sold of course is
higher, but some season ticket holders don't go to all the games,
especially the late night games against lesser competition.)The capacity is
63,470. So on average, even with home games against Idaho, hawaii, and weber
state, the stadium was filledto 96.4% of capacity. The only time you might have
seen lots of empty seats was in the 4th quarter of a blow out win late at night
when it was cold. Many had left the game early.
sky2k1"Less than 20% of the state are Utah fans? A) Not provable, B)
not likely true. And BYU fans are super cheap.."In one point you
claim that something is not provable and in the ensuing point you go on to claim
something that is, if not provable, certainly hasn't been proven by you or
anyone else.How do you prove that BYU fans are "super
cheap"? That is not my experience at all. When I was out in Provo last year
it was my observation that a lot of BYU boosters were (1) some of the wealthiest
people in Utah (2) Quite generous with that wealth too. Perhaps you were
confused by the fact that BYU fans, while largely affluent, don't blow
their cash on booze and other vices.I'd say that is a very
foolish statement you made there.
Isn't it interesting that Utah has the 11th largest stadium in the PAC11+u
and their football team is the 11th best team. Now that is saying something to
think that Utah is at #11. Oh wait, there are only 12 teams. Sorry Chris that
you have to settle for so little when you could be a BYU fan and sheer for a
winning program, one with national prominence.
Before spending $40 to $60 million, or more, to expand RES, Chris Hill wants to
see what happens at RES when the Utes suffer an extended losing streak. Will
Utah fans continue to fill the stadium, or will RES become just like the HC, a
vast sea of empty red chairs?
@Utah AlumJudging by the attendance in the once proud Huntsman
center I think you came to the same conclusion as I. However, the Ute fans seem
to buy season tickets, and likely will still buy them if the cost is reasonable.
I still believe even if the Utes don't see a bowl game for three straight
years, they will still sell out. There are always Chris B.'s of the world
out there who dream of winning championships that will always shell out cash for
@Surf is UpBy BYU fans I meant the students for the most part.
Considering I worked in BYU's bookstore in the accounting department and
saw a lot of their financials (which includes clothing sold at the stadium), I
would say I'm qualified to make a judgement on whether or not BYU students
are cheap. And if you've ever heard BYU students complain about the prices
around campus, you would probably agree with me too.
@ Rancho63No need to stop taking your chidren and grandchildren to
games. Come up to the UTE games! Don't let your family tradition die by
clinging to false stereotypes of Ute fans. I take my young kids to games all
the time (the reason I bought my season tickets) and we are making some great
memories. My six year old daughter has been asking me all summer about when we
can start going to games this year. Ute game on Saturday and primary on Sunday.
It's great to be a Ute. Become a Ute, my friend, and your
football problems (and many other problems, I'd wager) will be solved!
Wasn't it last year, in order to sell tickets to the Idaho State game a
promotion was for each football ticket sold you would be given 4 basketball
tickets, 4 hotdogs, and 4 drinks. You could either get that deal or stub hub
had prime tickets for $10. (There appeared to be a few "takers".)
Just for the record, Utah just barely got to the point where they can expand
their stadium, since they had a long standing contract with the old Olympic
committee not to mess with anything. I am pretty sure that contract just
Are people really complaining about $157 season tickets??!! I make more than
that in a day. I know that some people are more pressed for money than I am, but
I've had Ute student tickets for the past 3 seasons, they have never been
'free.'This year I tried to get regular seating season
tickets, the price with an alumni discount for ROW 60+ in the redzone were 250$
per seat. 500$ for two seats row 60+, they really need stadium expansion so
these prices aren't so high.