5'8"? A good fisher would throw him back. 0% chance of him going pro
unless he is the greatest return man in the country.
So does he have any bcs offers?The article mentions schools that may
have taken a look at him, but did any of the 50 bcs schools deem him worthy of
an offer?Again I don't know, just asking. All I
know is rivals doesn't even know who he is. I found someone by
that name who played several years agoI will go out on a limb and
guess since he wants to attend byu that he is a one or two star?And
if you think stars don't matter, nick Saban disagrees with you
I can't find any information about Shelton on any of the major recruiting
No idea how good the kid will be but it is great to know how much he wants to be
at BYU. We'll look forward to seeing how he progresses and it sounds like
he was desired by a good group of schools.
He looks like a good addition to the defense.Ps If you pay attention
to Chris B, Michael Shelton must be a 3 star or higher recruit since Utah
recruited him as well. LOL
@DuckhunterIt seems odd that Shelton was desired by so many schools
without being profiled on any of the major recruiting sites.
Funny...the kid used to be 5'10 when he was recruited by Utah. Did he
shrink by signing with BYU?That was a fun highlight reel. He
probably starts right off on special teams while playing back up on D. He
appears to be a speedster with strong hops. He also wants to be at BYU. He
should be a great fit for the cougars.
Surprise! I wonder if Auburn, Duke, Georgia Tech, Oregon State, and
others are as surprised as Utah. Couldn't find his name of any recruiting
sites as having an offer from any other school than BYU. In fact, only scouts
identified him with no other information other than receiving an offer from BYU.
He may have read an article in a local newspaper with a mention of
these schools and he interpreted that as those schools having an interest in
him. Or maybe it was suggested by an anonymous source that it would look really
good if he had been recruited by such schools. No matter, somehow Utah will
recover from this set-back I'm certain.
Howard, go ask coach Whitt about this young man, he was recruiting him.He really want to play at the U, but decided that playing in a bowl game each
year is a little more important than being on a pac ten punching bag
I see my little sister is throwing another one of her temper tantrums because
hardly any of our 4- and 5-star recruits have been nominated for post season
awards. That's particularly galling, since I've heard that you only
have to be in the top 70 or so at your position in the country in order to be
nominated. Sure wish we had a national recruiting presence so we could pick some
quality recruits like Michael Shelton.
So zero bcs offers?Byu fans again not answering the questionSpeaks volumes!
For all you Utah fans infatuated with everything BYU, you've got about 8
weeks to gloat. Have your fun now because the utes are about to receive gut
stomping.And why no smack on the basketball articles?
Obviously none of you watched his highlights. This kid has elite speed, and
great instincts. He is a ballhawk with multiple Int's, and a big hitter.
The only recruiting service he is listed in is scout. But that really means
nothing. My neighbors son does not have a profile with any recruiting service
period, but after a strong showing at the All-poly and UofU elite invitational
the Utes offered him a scholarship. there are more important things than the
amount of stars next to an athletes name. its all about attitude and willingness
to work your butt off. Hopefully Michael can come in and make an
impact in the secondary.
Welcome aboard Michael! I see that you're already making the
crowd up north nervous, which is always a good thing.
Nice get byu.Nobody that is Anybody wants him.Just like the team he
Chris B, So explain to me how a 3 star QB came into the SEC as a RS
Freshman and broke multiple records on his way to the heisman trophy? How could
a 3-star athlete possibly do what the 5 stars couldn't? Recruiting rankings
have only been around just over a decade, but it is clear that the number of
stars next to a name makes no difference. Infact Tim Teabow is the only
consensus 5 star recruit to win the heisman. And he has been a dud in the pros.
Gotta love the jealous avalanche of denial from the kids on the hill.Another recruit that the Utes desperately wanted until the moment he committed
I thougth I was commenting on an article about BYU but can only see comments
from utes. Whats up with that? Oh, yes, that's right, it's Saturday;
most of them are out actually working.Chris B. Seriously, do you
have a job or anything; or do you sit in your parent's basement all day
slinging insults at all things BYU?And to keep the DN sensor guys
happy, and to stay on topic: A player's star rating is subjective. It
can't predict actual outcomes. Ever hear of a guy name Eric
Weddell? I don't believe he had a lot of stars (if any), but hey, coaches
at the U rolled the dice on him. The rest is history.But therein is
how your scale works. It doesn't matter (stars or no stars) if a player is
coming to the U intead of BYU.
raw,byu is just an average basketball team in one of the smallest
conferences on the planet.Went 1 and out in their tournament. Failed to
qualify for the NCAA's. Expect the same next year.
Looks like a good athlete. The fact that he's a two time Junior Olympian
can back that up!Go Cougs!
Chris B. And yet the Utes are still PAC 12 bottom feeders. Good luck with the
The article says "Shelton was recruited by UTAH, Auburn, Duke, Georgia Tech
and Oregon State, among others."Chris B, The word
"recruited" doesn't have a definition in any dictionary that even
comes close to "may have taken a look at him"...Utah would
take him tomorrow, but he's not interested in wearing Red and going to play
for a team that looks to continue to be a basement dweller in their
conference... He wants the opportunity to play the Notre Dames, the Wisconsins,
the Longhorns,and the Broncos every year, to travel across the country, and to
play on TV every week... Most of all he wants a program with a coach that says
what he means and does what he says, and a University with high standards and
moral values and that is why he jumped at the chance to be a cougar...It's because of this type of recruiting that BYU is continually rated in
preseason power rankings above their little brother on the hill and it's
because of recruits like this that BYU has the earned reputation nationally of
being a perenial football power.
@ ekute"byu is just an average basketball team in one of the
smallest conferences on the planet."As a BYU fan, I'm not
going to go out on a limb and say BYU is a great basketball program, but average
basketball teams don't win 24+ games a year in the past 6-7 years and most
of that time was in the Mountain West. I'd say BYU is a solid basketball
team. Joe Lunardi expects BYU to be in the tournament as a 10 seed in the latest
bracketology. And the WCC is for sure a 2 bid league and BYU and Gonzaga will be
1 and 2 (or reverse) in that league this year, a 3 bid league in good years.
Also, if according to you BYU basketball is average I would hate to see how Utah
basketball would be rated.
It's funny watching all the Ute fans bash on BYU. As a BYU fan I could care
less about stars or which schools recruited him. Life is about more than
football and BYU provides things that you can't get anywhere else. The fact
the BYU still wins ball games, and goes to a Bowl year after year unlike Utah,
that is pretty cool. That fact the BYU does more with less shows volumes about
the program and what the University can accomplish. Sure, Utah puts more kids in
the NFL, what has that ever done to make the world a better place?
@ekute...I can't believe a Utah fan even wants to talk about
Basketball... Over the past 7 years your team is 1-11 and that one win that they
have on their home floor was in OT a few years back... In the last 2
years the Utes have lost to some Baptist Division II school from Texas and to
the Sacramento State Hornets who just recently became Division I...And they lost
on their home floor.That's embarrassing by anybody's
standards...That little conference that BYU belongs to has a team in
it that is continually in the top 10 and was Number 1 for several weeks last
year... In the round of 32 in the tournament they had a flat night against an 8
or 9 seed which ended up going to the Final Four and giving the National
Champions the toughest game they had in the entire Tourney...BYU by
any standard has recruited very well in 2013 and 2014 and they will return to
the NCAA Tourney next year for their 7th appearance in the last 8 years... Last
year they made it to the Final 4 in the NIT and lost to the Champs.
As a return man, he runs well north/south, not wasting a lot of time juking in
place. In coverage, he is in position and also gets up field in run support,
though I didn't see a single good block put on him by a receiver. Thing
is, this is a highlight reel. What happens when a bigger receiver puts a block
on him? I'll give the coaches the benefit of a doubt that they've
seen complete games either in person or on tape. However, if he is
5'8" all the speed, hops, heart in the world doesn't erase that
fact. In football, size does indeed matter. The 300 lb guys in college can do
what the 210 lb guys do in high school, the 240 lb guys do what the 160 lb guys
did in high school, and the 6'3" guys do what the 5'8" guys
did in high school. BYU's wideouts are 6'3", 6'3" and
6.6". Tight ends are bigger still. I'm hoping he is the
5'10" claimed on the video.
Congratulations to Shelton! He's obviously thrilled with the opportunity
to play at byu and it looks like byu has picked up a great kid and a very
capable football player. From watching the video it looks like Shelton's
high school team uses him not only as a db but on special teams and as a
receiver. He does it all...congratulations to byu.There's no
indication from these comments that anyone noticed the beginning of the
video...Shelton is actually 5'10", not 5'8" as B. Gourney
reported here. As for Utah's alleged interest in Shelton, I can certainly
see Utah going after him as a receiver and possibly special teams. Time and
time again Jeremy Brooks proved the value of a smaller receiver underneath
coverage. The Utes' current version of Brooks is Delshawn McClelland.
Great hands, elusive, exceptionally fast. It may well be that what was in play
for Utah. As a DB? No way...not in the Pac-12. Evan at 5"10' Shelton
would be completely ineffective as a db position in the Pac-12. It
would be nice to know where B. Gourney got his information.
"Rational"Brian Logan played corner for BYU at only
5'6. Sure he got burned by some taller guys but wound up being an
All-American honorable mention if I remember right. If the defense plays the
right way 5'8 won't matter. Just look at all the 5'8 corners in
the NFL, there are a ton of them.
ChrisAnd Peterson disagrees with Saban!
Utes WR's5'10=25'11=16'1=26'3=36'4=1All 8 are 2" taller than
Shelton...hope he has hops!!!
Congrats to Michael. Good luck to him in Provo!
Rational,College coaches ask for a highlight film and one complete game
film, and they tell players to make sure they pick their best game. Wasn't
the great Bryce McCain 5'9"? His speed and vert will compensate for
some lack of height.Who knows how his game will translate from hs to
college, but it is nice to see that he has the right attitude.
"As a DB? No way...not in the Pac-12. Evan at 5"10' Shelton would
be completely ineffective as a db position in the Pac-12. "Perspective,I disagree and so does USC. They have on their roster corner
backs who are 5'9", 5'10", and 5'11", and their
tallest is 6'1".
Cougars1USC has "on their roster corner backs who are
5'9", 5'10", and 5'11", and their tallest is
6'1". I was not aware of that. Most receivers in the Pac-12 present
match up problems with shorter dbs. I guess I would have to ask if USC's
shorter dbs actually see playing time as dbs or are they merely "on the
roster" as you point out. At any rate, it will be interesting
to see how he is rated once the services catch up with him. Additionally,
I'll be very curious to see if Utah actually recruited him or if B. Gourney
slipped that in there to make byu fans feel good. My understanding is that NC
is not where Utah typically recruits but then, I was surprised to learn they
picked up a player from Louisiana, LOL! Time will tell. btw,you're correct, Bryce McCain was smaller but he ran a 4.28. Congrats again to byu!
cougars1--"I disagree and so does USC. They have on their roster
corner backs who are 5'9", 5'10", and 5'11", and
their tallest is 6'1"."5'9" CB--HIGH SCHOOL: His 2009 honors included Prep Star All-American, Super Prep
All-Farwest, Prep Star All-West, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100, Max Preps
All-State Division I first team, Cal-Hi Sports All-State third team, All-CIF
Eastern Division first team, Riverside Press-Enterprise All-Riverside second
team and Inland Valley Daily Bulletin All-Inland Valley MVP as a senior running
back and defensive back at Kaiser High in Fontana (Calif.). He had 1,681 yards
on 198 carries (8.5 avg.) on offense and had 55 tackles and 1 interception on
defense in 2009.As a junior in 2008, he made Riverside
Press-Enterprise All-Riverside honorable mention. He ran for 1,010 yards and 11
TDs on offense and had 48 tackles and 3 interceptions on defense in 2008.[Cont'd]
Can I remind all you Ute fans that this kid just finished his junior year? That
means he has a whole other season to gain some interest. I am really excited to
see Shelton and Dye run back kicks for the next couple several years. I really
really hope he runs one back against the Utes.
School: His 2010 honors included UnderArmour All-American, Super Prep
All-Farwest, Prep Star All-West, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100, All-Cif
Central Division, All-Southern Section first team, All-Inland Empire first team
and All-Inland Valley League first team as a senior defensive back at Rancho
Verde High in Moreno Valley (Calif.). Rancho Verde went 12-1 in 2010 and was a
Cif Central Division finalist.He won the inaugural 2010 Sparq Rating
National Championship, which tests speed, power, agility, reaction and
quickness.5'11"--High School: His 2012 honors
included Prep Star All-American Dream Team, Espn 150, Rivals 100, Orange County
Register Fab 15 first team, Tacoma News Tribune Western 100 and All-CIF Inland
Division as a senior cornerback and wide receiver in 2012 at Rancho Cucamonga
(Calif.) High, which went 10-3. He had 56 tackles, 2 interceptions, 6
deflections, 1 forced fumble and 1 blocked field goal on defense in 2012 and 14
receptions for 193 yards (13.8 avg.) with 2 TDs on offense.As a 2011
junior, he made All-Cif Inland Division as he had 32 tackles and 2
Great job AZUTE,Now why don't you tell us how many stars they
all had, and while you're at it, give us the run down on the 5'7"
and 5'8" corner backs on UCLA's roster. All you did was just
enforce my point that size has nothing to do with whether or not you can play db
in the PAC. Thank you for doing the research to back me up. You're an ok
Chris B will become very quiet once BYU does their thing with the U this
year.BYU is very good at finding athletes who are overlooked by
other teams. Cody Hoffman is just one example. Just because nobody noticed
Michael Shelton means only that nobody noticed him. But he was noticed by many
other schools.Welcome to the Y Michael. You will love it there and
Cougar Nation will love watching you play.
Cougars1--"Great job AZUTE,Now why don't you
tell us how many stars they all had, and while you're at it, give us the
run down on the 5'7" and 5'8" corner backs on UCLA's
roster. All you did was just enforce my point that size has nothing to do with
whether or not you can play db in the PAC. Thank you for doing the research to
back me up. You're an ok dude."On the contrary, as I so
eloquently illustrated. Height, alone, is meaningless, yet you attempted to
pass off CBs in an Elite program such as USCs as being the equal of this kid out
of Raleigh, based solely upon their comparable height. B. McCain, as well!Nothing personal against this kid, but his type of talent wouldn't
ever even remotely be on the radar of a USC-type school, thus the reference to
USC doesn't compute. Neither would a reference to UCLA. I haven't
seen Auburn, North Carolina, Duke nor UTAH listed anywhere, as well!However, fellow Indy's, Idaho/NMSU, would most certainly be apropos!
Chrissy - just to put the record straight, there are more 3 stars in the NFL
than 4 or 5 stars. Please do your homework before you post.Who
would U rather have, your four star Terrell Reese or one star Eric Weddle?Or how about four star Kenneth Scott versus one star Cody Hoffman.
Scott's not bad, but he's not a Cody Hoffman.
How crazy is it that a young man on one of the greatest days of his life can go
to a web article about his commitment and get trashed by adults who ought to
know better. Chris, how many stars does it take to sit in front of a computer
screen and trash a young man you don't even know? I'm as guilty as
anyone with the my dad can beat up your dad stuff, but about the SCHOOLS, not
the kids. As adults we ought to know where to draw the line, but it seems that
we have some 1 star posters that haven't figured that out yet.
"On the contrary, as I so eloquently illustrated. Height, alone, is
meaningless, yet you attempted to pass off CBs in an Elite program such as USCs
as being the equal of this kid out of Raleigh, based solely upon their
comparable height. B. McCain, as well!"AZUTE,Trying to
pass off your thought process as mine isn't going to work. I never said
this kid could play in the PAC. In fact, I never said he could play anywhere. I
was simply making the point that his height alone would not keep him from
playing in the PAC. Is he fast enough or athletic enough? I have no clue since
all I have to go from is a highlight video. But once again, thank you for
helping me make the point that "short" DBs can play in the PAC. As for the reference to UCLA and USC, they just happened to be the first
school's rosters I looked at. I also checked Oregon, who also has
"short" DBs. You should try not to read into peoples comments as much as
you do and just take them at face value.
"I guess I would have to ask if USC's shorter dbs actually see playing
time as dbs or are they merely "on the roster" as you point out.
"Perspective,What difference does it make? Obviously
USC's coaches thought they were capable of playing in the PAC or they never
would have recruited them. Or are you trying to tell us that you are smarter
than the coaches at USC? "Additionally, I'll be very
curious to see if Utah actually recruited him or if B. Gourney slipped that in
there to make byu fans feel good."Wow. Conspiracy theorists are
alive and well at the U. Keep those comments coming. Very amusing indeed.
Barnbug1--"How crazy is it that a young man on one of the
greatest days of his life can go to a web article about his commitment and get
trashed by adults who ought to know better. Chris, how many stars does it take
to sit in front of a computer screen and trash a young man you don't even
know? I'm as guilty as anyone with the my dad can beat up your dad stuff,
but about the SCHOOLS, not the kids. As adults we ought to know where to draw
the line, but it seems that we have some 1 star posters that haven't
figured that out yet."You must've missed it! Go check out
the recently posted article on The U's latest commitment, Donovan Isom, and
when you're witnessing this identical viewpoint from across the table,
please also note one of my earlier comments on it in direct comparison to yours
right here!Furthermore, people aren't directly insulting this
kid, personally, such as his character, merely debating/refuting facts such as
his diminutive height relative to successfully playing D-1 College Football,
particularly with his non McCain-like speed....Again, facts!
Good luck in your choice of school. Ignore the haters, they will always be
around.Utah fan here. Good luck, except against Utah.
ekuteIf you will read the article carefully, you will note that it
is about football, though Shelton would probably improve the Utah basketball
team as well.
All of the talk--mostly from jealous Uyah fans--about the importance of size in
a defensive back, seem to overlook the speed and "hops" of this guy.
4.43 speed is world-class at any level and a 38" verticle adds true playing
height to a 5'10" defensive back frame. Besides, he is only a high
school junior and will probably grow more. Weight training will add an
additional twenty pounds. Give me a 5'10", 190 lb. defensive back who
can run a 4.43 forty and who is a "gamer" any day. Welcome, Michael, to
a very special place and to a great football tradition.
ekute,In your rant about BYU basketball you forgot to mention that they
beat Utah. But then who hasn't beaten Utah?
Does anyone know how many stars this recruit has?
cougars1--"AZUTE,Trying to pass off your thought process
as mine isn't going to work. I never said this kid could play in the PAC.
In fact, I never said he could play anywhere. I was simply making the point that
his height alone would not keep him from playing in the PAC."Yet, you didn't say otherwise, either. Perspective's statement
certainly implied it was well beyond just simply height, but then you offered up
no clarification w/in your response, but rather indicated the complete
opposite--"I disagree and so does USC. They have on their roster
corner backs who are 5'9", 5'10", and 5'11", and
their tallest is 6'1"."Finally, you only referenced the
top PAC-12 teams which are clearly incomparable at this point to UTAH and the
other conference members in overall recruiting and, consequently, even
significantly less comparable to a team such as 2-Star byu, which has been
forced in recent years to focus their sights predominately more and more on
2-Star recruits, such as this kid out of Raleigh!
Love skiing--"Good luck in your choice of school. Ignore the
haters, they will always be around.Utah fan here. Good luck, except
against Utah."Debating the level of competition this kid's
in fact qualified for hardly equates to being, "haters"!If
you wish to see haters at work, just simply venture over to Donovan Isom's
Five foot eight inches tall. This sounds like another just adequate, short
athlete that has in the past typically left the cougars wishing they had
recruited more height along with their athleticism.
Umm, Ute fans, I played with two BYU DB's under the arbitrary 5 10
threshold you are spouting about here. They both played in the NFL. Remember
Rod Thomas and Rod Rice? You should. They shut down your receivers on a
consistent basis. I'm 5 10. I've stood next to Eric Weddle numerous
times. He's 5 10 at best, maybe a hair shorter. Same with Polamalu.
Stars and offers are all just a bunch of hogwash that never-was athletes use to
try and compensate for their complete lack of athletic ability. It comes out in
the wash though. Once the pads go on the real football players shine.
Excellent get by the Cougars. Great athlete, great player, very excited to grab
someone out of SEC/ACC country. Bronco's defense with cover guys will be
"Yet, you didn't say otherwise, either. Perspective's statement
certainly implied it was well beyond just simply height, but then you offered up
no clarification w/in your response, but rather indicated the complete
opposite--"Good point AZUTE, but I have since been very clear
about what my point was. Are you having trouble with that? Apparently so, so I
will restate, I was only making the point that "short" DBs can and are
capable of playing in the PAC. If you are unable to understand that then we need
to get you back into a remedial reading and comprehension class as the last one
was apparently ineffective."Finally, you only referenced the top
PAC-12 teams which are clearly incomparable at this point to UTAH and the other
conference members in overall recruiting"Who said anything about
Utah? I chose the top PAC teams because it seemed plausible that if a short db
could play for them, then they could also play for any team in the bottom half
of the conference. However, feel free to check rosters of any PAC teams. You
will find the same results.
I wish the young man well even though he is going to the Y. The U has had some
very successful players with similar height and speed.My earlier
post, which was approved, doesn't show up on this article so he it is
again. Very disappointed in the way this article is framed. Saying Shelton was
recruited by Utah and a bunch of other big name schools is very misleading. I
don't see that he had any offers from any of these schools. Utah recently
signed a QB from Louisiana. He was, using the same standard as for this
article, recruited by Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, LSU, Miss St., ASU, and Miami.
All that means is that at some point those schools sent him a letter or made
contact. Doesn't mean they made him an offer.
barnbug1--"Oh, I don't know, maybe that I don't troll
Utah articles? I'll type slower for ya....If you would spend your time
supporting YOUR teams players and less time ragging on MY teams players, this
stupid, there's 10 minutes of my life I'll never get back,
conversation never happened."Actually, I allocate/manage my time
perfectly! But thanks, anyway?What's not clear is, if
you're actually of the opinion this all is wasted time, why do you respond
to me? Just curious is all!No response to the remainder of my
Could be awesome.
Speed is always a good thing to have. Let's hope for the Cougs' sakes
that he doesn't have the same "skill" set that Logan and Eason had
as well as having their height "advantage." Best of luck to him this
This guy seems like a perfect fit for BYU and clearly has a ton of potential.
That aside, it is a bit annoying the the DN would just list a slew of random
colleges that supposedly recruited him, (which in the real world means offered
him scholarships) when that is clearly not the case. Looking at a player or
contacting is not recruiting him. Maybe Utah offered, maybe not. But not all of
those schools tried to recruit this kid.
Stars really do not matter. Rivals and Scout do not go to every recruit and
actually look at them. One major way they do there rankings is that they look at
who gives them offers. If Alabama or Oregon offers a kid they will get more
stars simply because the school that offered. If a school not in the bcs offers
someone that they have not researched then they'll at most get 2 stars. So
except for the very elite players that research and scouting is actually done on
the star system is a self fulfilling prophecy of "bcs dominance"
R.A.W, are your neighbors the Katoas, by chance?
In threads like these I am reminded of the line from the movie
"Miracle", where the US Olympic hockey team coach Herb Brooks answered a
question about why he had included some supposedly "inferior" players on
his team, instead of the obvious all-stars: "I'm not looking for the
best players; I'm looking for the right ones."Bronco
Mendenhall doesn't pay attention to the star ratings, nor does he care if a
player is the most talented. He's looking for a kid who can fit into his
system, who can work hard and give his best, who can handle the rigorous
academic standards at BYU, and who most of all can abide by the strict Honor
Code guidelines and not embarrass the school.Those criteria
significantly limit the pool of potential recruits, but Bronco seems to be able
to consistently churn out winning teams, bowl game victories, and top-25 seasons
with supposedly "inferior" recruits.He's not looking
for the best players; he's looking for the right ones.
vaggie--While there's a slight modicum of truth to what you
stated in some instances, it's not even remotely so pervasive as you would
have us believe. I'm especially knowledgeable regarding Scout and their
methodology and I assure you, they're significantly cleaner in their
methodology than you've understood them to be.For instance, as
a general rule, Scout caps their various ratings and issues far, far fewer
4-/5-Stars than the other recruiting services do [i.e., Rivals], which explains
the difference in ratings commonly seen w/many kids.Star ratings
certainly aren't the end all, at least not w/each and every recruit ever
rated. However, over time a school which Is regularly bringing in 3-/4-Star
recruits will beat a school more often than not which is regularly bringing in
2-/3-Star recruits.If Stars truly had zero bearing on Ws/Ls, how do
you believe Alabama would fare, annually, w/merely 3-Star recruits, w/the
occasional 4-/Star recruit thrown into the mix, as opposed to what they
currently bring in?Think about this scenario for a moment!
StGtoSLCNo, but I do know the Katoa's well. Thor is another
example of an unrated athlete being recruited by big time programs all over the
country. Has Utah offered him as well?
The problem with only being concerned with stars is that it doesn't take
into account coaching, and schemes, and work ethic, along with a plethora of
other variables. Another poster made a statement but I don't
know if people caught it. Chris Petersen at BSU doesn't even recruit as
well as BYU in some years, yet has had some of the best most dominant teams in
CFB in this decade. Sure, many will argue strength of schedule, but it's a
hard argument to make when Boise consistently beats ranked BCS teams. I'm a
Georgia fan (along with BYU) and I watched a "2-star" BSU team tear my
4-5 star Dawgs apart in OUR backyard in the Georgia Dome. It's
interesting that FSU & Miami still rank high in recruits and NFL players,
yet haven't sniffed a NC or even a top 5 finish in quite some time (many
times, neither has even reached the ACC championship game). There's much
more to success than stars, which are merely a measure of potential not
actualization on the field. Nick Saban wins because he's a heck of a coach,
not just 4-5 star recruits.
The kid likes to play in December, so he told Utah to pack sand.
You’ve got to love the trolls. Their preseason smack consists of dissing
BYU’s recruiting and SOS, attempting to argue BYU is inferior to Utah
because Utah is a BCS team with better access to BCS bowl games. Ironically,
Utah is one of the few BCS bowl busters. Let’s examine Utah’s
outstanding 2004 BCS busting season. In 2004 Utah had a recruiting
class of 76, which was worse than BYU’s 2-star studded 2013 recruiting
class. They had 20 2-star recruits, one 4-star recruit, and their Scout average
ranking of 1.59 was significantly lower than any recruiting class from BYU ever.
Their SOS was ranked #67 by Sagarin and they played USU, AF, New Mexico, UNLV,
SDSU, Colorado St, and Wyoming (far weaker than BYU’s 2013 schedule). Yet
they ran the table, played in a BCS bowl, and ended the season ranked #4.What is the correlation between recruiting classes, SOS, and winning
games and being ranked? With Utah as a case study there appears to be little or
@Poyman...."It's because of this type of recruiting that BYU is
continually rated in preseason power rankings above their little brother on the
hill and it's because of recruits like this that BYU has the earned
reputation nationally of being a perenial football power."Is it
because of recruits like this that the cougies can't beat the utes on the
field where it matters??Also in regards to you bringing up
basketball. I would have to agree with you the Y has definitley had the better
program since 2004. See how logical that is and how that works? If I tried to
say the utes had a better basketball program right now I would look as foolish
as Y fan's that try to say they have a better football program over the
@cougfaninTX....."Chrissy - just to put the record straight, there are more
3 stars in the NFL than 4 or 5 stars. Please do your homework before you
post."Come on really? Please tell me you do realize there are a
ton more 1-3 stars in our world then 4-5 stars? The % of 4-5 stars that make the
NFL over 1-3 stars is staggering it's not even close. I agree
completley that stars don't matter 100% of the time. I believe a 0 star
recruit can come in and be the best player on the team. However I assure you
teams that get more 4-5 star recruits are the teams that are consistently top
programs around the country. So to say it don't matter at all is wrong. If
Alabama had a roster full of 2-3 star recruits I assure you they wouldn't
be winning Nat titles like they are right now.
It's utterly hysterical that Utah fans put so much stock in the star
ratings of thousands of still developing athletes, yet constantly question the
ratings of 120 football teams, except, of course, when Utah is highly rated.AP Top 25 ratings are far more accurate than ANY recruiting rating.Far more 2- and 3-star recruits are stars in college and in the NFL,
than 4- and 5-star recruits.
@azuteWhile watching youtube highlights did you happen to notice the
size of utah's conerbacks?Joseph Smith 5'9" 189
poundsJustin Thomas 5'9" 173 poundsMicael
Walker 5'9" 182 poundsThomas is the one utah coaches,
"fans", and homers like dan sorenson, are claiming is going to be a star
and future NFLer.So perhaps you can tell us why this gigantic
5'9" tall 173 pound corner with a slower 40 time than this BYU recruit
is going to be such a superstar while the BYU recruit is "to short" and
"to light", and "to slow" to be worth even having on a team?
@2irreleventwins"If I tried to say the utes had a better
basketball program right now I would look as foolish as Y fan's that try to
say they have a better football program over the last decade."Yes you would look foolish seeing as though BYU basketball has not only
dominated the head to head matchups in that time, including 11 of the last 12,
but they have also won more overall games, FAR more, been to the NCAA's far
more times, won far more conference titles in that time, and been nationally
ranked far more times and much higher.But that isn't quite the
case with football between the two now is it?In fact BYU has won
more overall games, been to more bowls, and been nationally ranked more times
than utah football has during that time frame. utah has one case for declaring
they have been better, the head to head during that time, but BYU has far more
things to show their superiority, like more wins, more bowl games, more times
ranked.Nice try on your part but....FAIL!LOL!
R.A.W, not a firm offer yet that I'm aware of. They're a great family,
I'd love to see Thor end up at the U, but mainly just want to see him
succeed anywhere. Nearly every one of them had college football ability, but
didn't develop and showcase it as much as they could have, it's great
to see Thor taking those extra steps.
ekute,Please try to keep up here. Utah wanted him so I guess you are
saying they are a nobody?Kind of thought so. Their records sure shows it.
LOL. I am sensing some nervousness in your comments about the upcoming year.
Sorry that you have to be a ute fan.
" ........ a 4.43 forty and a 10.7 100 meter time, a 38-inch vertical and a
3.91 shuttle time ....... "Otherwise, not very athletic.And the ute trolls just can't stay away. Completely obsessed with
BYU Football. Just the way we like it.
StGtoSLCThor has definitely been putting in the time and hard work,
he has been training hard with former All Big-12 Texas A&M Linebacker Misi
Tupe, he deserves the chance to play D-1 ball. I know his older brothers much
better than him. Both Isaac and Bill are at Snow and I wouldn't be
surprised if either of them end up playing D-1 ball next year. Small world!
Right, Alabama gets high quality recruits because they are getting elite talent.
Those who have 5 stars usually have earned those stars.Quality players are drawn
to quality programsI think a lot of past and current Utah, BYU and USU
players would get 3-4*'s if they were truly It may also be
less true in football, but I know it's true in basketball. I know a lot of
basketball players in state, and a few of them tell me there recruiting stock
dropped after they signed with their current teams. No system is
perfect, and you may be right, scout might be the best, but even scout is
flawed, because it does not evaluate every player, but tries to rank every
Well this kid also had a scholarship offer from Auburn. Does that make him
legitimate ChrisB? A BCS school (SEC to boot) offered him a scholarship.
According to your morbid way of viewing things that should make him a legitimate
athlete. So tell me, if Auburn thinks he is good enough to play for them, what
argument do you have that he isnt good enough to play for the mighty Utah?
Shelton sounds like a real nice athlete and will be a nice addition to the byu
secondary. A speedster with 4.4 speed and has a nice vertical leap. The whole
star system isn't that big of a deal and im not sure its all that accurate.
I would argue that over the years BYU has had better luck with the 3 stars and
under players. They seem to come in with a chip on their shoulder to prove that
they can play and usually end up being some of the more productive players.
"My earlier post, which was approved, doesn't show up on this article
so he it is again. Very disappointed in the way this article is framed. Saying
Shelton was recruited by Utah and a bunch of other big name schools is very
misleading. I don't see that he had any offers from any of these schools.
Utah recently signed a QB from Louisiana. He was, using the same standard as for
this article, recruited by Alabama, Auburn, Nebraska, LSU, Miss St., ASU, and
Miami. All that means is that at some point those schools sent him a letter or
made contact. Doesn't mean they made him an offer."CO Ute,
first, you are correct to separate Utah from big name schools.Additionally, if you check the Rivals site you will see he holds an offer from
Auburn. It is listed right above his commit to BYU.