Hill should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.Frankly I
don't care if we play them or not.It's not a quality win
like it would have been 20 years ago.They go .200 against ranked
opponenets under bronco.We're 4-1 against them the last 5
years, its almost a gimme win.2 for 1and they'll
Really?I realize that it's still a month before Fall practices
start, but this topic has been covered ad nauseum. There a hundreds of topics
that you could address. Instead, you've been lazy and chosen to rehash
this discussion.Not impressed.
Hill added that playing BYU in the future has "always been our full
intention"How could that possibly be true? That flies in the
face of everything that 95% of Ute homers commenting on the DesNews have claimed
for a couple of years now.One would think the PAC 10+C&U would
want Utah to play BYU so they could get their field storming-thrice-out of the
way in supposedly meaningless games since the opportunity to storm RES in a PAC
game will be extremely scarce for the foreseeable future.
"faces a new reality going forward"?? How more redundant can the
headline writer get? "going forward" is the most useless, and redundant
phrase ever concocted by writers. Please, leave it off, it is completely
unnecessary. "A new reality" would never be spoken in the past,
"new" always means future, going forward, so it is completely redundant
I think we should just tell byu and usu we'll do a 2 for 1 with each of
them and swith off.So byu 2017, 2019, and 2021usu 2018, 2020,
and 2022With 4 of the 6 games in Salt Lake.That is fair
considering we are in the Pac 12, they are not. Don't like it?
- Get in a power conference and show us you deserve more respect than that
How did I know, just like clockwork, that the first comment would be from
ChrisB, and that it would be more than a bit snarky?I think we all know
that BYU is not going to take a 2/1. And we'll see you back here on Sept.
22nd, hopefully eating some very tasty crow.
@Chris BWe wouldn't take that. And I'm sure you do care,
that's why you're on BYU pages all the time. With the exception of
your 2 blow outs, the games come down to 7 points or less most of the time. Not
even close to a gimme win. You will take 1 for 1 because so many of
you view it as a gimme and you need as many possible gimme's to try and be
bowl eligible this year.
Just sign a long term deal and make it a home and home like many other rivalries
do in other states who are not in the same conferences.For Utah fans
who believe that BYU is a gimme win, it could remain on Utah's schedule
like Northern Arizona, Weber State, Northern Colorado, Montana State, Colorado
*accept for 2011 - Oops!And for BYU, you could chalk it up as a
PAC-10 win, a win over a major conference. I say PAC-10 because Utah and
Colorado still are not recognized by true old PAC-10 fans. But it goes down as
a win over a major conference.Either way the rivalry needs to happen
if not only for the sake of families and friends in Utah. It is always fun win
your team is the reigning state champ in the rivalry, gives you a year to gloat.
LOL Chris "It's not a quality win like it would have been 20 years
ago"And yet you were probably right in the middle of the mess er
muss that stormed the field 3 times last year. Am I right? Tell the truth.Just can't make up comedy like yours! You definitely have a knack
for it.Keep having the 2 for 1 thing as part of your fantasy though.
It's as likely to happen as most everything else you buy into.
This story has been covered to death! Let's hear some more chit chat about
entire schedule breakdowns, not just Utah-BYU going forward, and not just
"who's schedule is harder." I also want to hear what BYU fans think
about their 2014 schedule.2014 BYU Schedule:Home-
Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLVAway- UCONN,
Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle TennesseeWhat games excite you on there
besides Texas, Boise, and Utah State (if you even claim that)? I hear so much
about how Independence is so great, but that schedule doesn't seem like
much of a door buster.
I think BYU should ask for a 2-1.Larger Stadium.We can
play anyone in Sept. And we have the national TV deal. Who wants to play on some backward Pac12 Fox1 station.
Nothing new here, this is not the story you are looking for. Move along.
@Chris B,Just keep running that "membership is all that
counts" play. I guess that's all that is left when your team
can't win or compete on the field.It's just so sad.
I think we should do a 2-1 if Chris B never comments again......ever!
"Either way the rivalry needs to happen if not only for the sake of families
and friends in Utah. It is always fun win your team is the reigning state champ
in the rivalry, gives you a year to gloat."Utah State is the
reigning state champ!
The only down side to playing BYU, is that even when you beat them; their fans
still claim they have a better team.
Holmoe should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave it.Frankly I
don't care if we play them or not.It's seldom ever been a
quality win for BYU.The Utes are 0-2 against 10-loss teams under
Kyle and consistently lose to conference bottom dwellers like Wyoming, Colorado
State, Colorado, New Mexico and UNLV.BYU has finished with a better
record and higher ranked in 5 of the 8 seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era and
Utah's lucky winning streak has run its course.RES seats 20,000
fewer fans than LES, which equates to at least $1 million lost gate revenue
every time the game is played in RES.2 for 1and
they'll take it.
Aggie Voice,Until today I have been a huge Aggie fan on these boards. No
longer.GO COUGS....and beat Utah AND USU.
Chris B goes away if you stop giving him attention. You can't seem to do
it, though. It's the same lesson I'm teaching my 4 year old. She
seems to be grasping the concept faster than you.
AggieVoice:"2014 BYU Schedule:Home- Virginia,
Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLVAway- UCONN, Texas, UCF,
Boise, Middle Tennessee"So, what you're saying is the byU
big boy schedule is a one year anomaly? Seriously, an away game with Middle
Tennessee State? It's a good thing they left an open spot for one of the
Idaho or New Mexico schools!Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!
Aggie Voice:I guess the truth hurts some people!Go Utes!
Spokane Ute"The only down side to playing BYU, is that even when
you beat them; their fans still claim they have a better team."Maybe you should try finishing with a better record and higher ranking then
there wouldn't be any doubt. One game doesn't prove anything.
AggieVoiceI am excited about all the games! I get to see every
single one of them.Fans that get all worked up on who they play any
given year aren't fans. It's crazy how some fans want to dictate what
their AD or OTHER schools AD's do. It is almost as bad as bragging about
your conference when your team is sub.500, bowl-less and is going to get pounded
this year. You can't change who your team plays.You
can't change if they have a great season before or after the season they
play you.You can't change the record of a team you are playing
in the current year.You can't change change what happens to a
team after you play them.You can't even effect the outcome of
the game regardless of how many times you post "mark it down."The only thing a fan can do is cheer their team on. Root for them to have a
special year. Believe in all the hype. Go to the games and enjoy it.It amazes me the narcissism reflected by people claiming to be fans.
Marked it Down:We'll leave it, thank you. When Utah can get a
home and home with Michigan while byU can get a home and home with Middle
Tennessee State......Nice try though.Go Crimson!!
Fatboy86:And your team is what and what against the team that
"can't win or compete on the field"?That's what I
Radio stations give the personalities days off and re-run "best of"
shows!! Is this a re-print???Nuthin' new here!!!Yawn...zzzzzz
PioneerMarriott-Slaterville, UtI think BYU should ask for a 2-1.Larger Stadium.We can play anyone in Sept. And
we have the national TV deal. Who wants to play on some backward
Pac12 Fox1 station.________What does a large stadium
have to do with wins? BYU lost at home and on the road to teams with smaller
stadiums last season.Who says you can play anyone in Sept? If
that's true why aren't you scheduling Alabama, Ohio State,
Oregon....?Who wants to watch BYU lose to ranked teams and more on
ESPN?Why do BYU fans keep brining up the ESPN deal like it
guarantees them a win?FYI - The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX and
ESPN in addition to its own network. And FOX has a new sports network starting
My vote is to never play Utes again. Too much hate! Let's go forward w/o
@Chris B"Frankly I don't care if we play them or
not"Says the person who spends more time commenting on all
things BYU and the rivalry than any other person on earth.You really
do have a great sense of humor. Keep posting that was the best laugh I have had
in a while!
Granite Flats RulesI teach my kids something different...If someone comes into their house talking smack about how their kids look, or
what they wear, or who their friends are, or what they believe...They don't have to sit there and take it. If they think it is prudent,
and it is worth fighting for, they should fight back and defend themselves.Just because someone is louder and more obnoxious doesn't mean they
are right and if good people don't fight back, it leaves a vacuum filled
only by the wrong voices.If we all teach our kids to walk away, no
one fights the fights that need to be fought.It's not just
these boards, it's everywhere.
VegasUteCall us the next time Utah schedules any big time OOC
game.ONE game in your 119 year history doesn't mean much.Teams like Texas, Miami, Florida State, Penn State, Notre Dame, and USC
have been visiting LES for decades.
WACPaddingOurSchedule"Why do BYU fans keep brining up the ESPN
deal like it guarantees them a win?"I don't know.Why do u fans think that being int he PAC 12 makes them relevant, respected,
and guarantees them a win? "The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX
and ESPN in addition to its own network."Yet u still won't
be on TV as much as BYU. "And FOX has a new sports network
starting in August."And how does that transfer to anything
related to the u? Did you sign an exclusive contract with FOX?pure
AggiePride:"Utah State is the reigning state champ!"How do you figure? BYU beat you (and it was far worse on the stat sheet). A
victory over Utah doesn't make you state champs regardless how bad you want
it to. To those suggesting a 2-1 for Utah...laughable. Why exactly?
What benefit is that to BYU? They do 2-1s with great elite programs, not cellar
dwellers that cant even offer geographical exposure to a national fanbase (the
reason BYU is h-h with MTSU). If Hill was ever dumb enough to suggest this
(thank goodness he isn't) he would get a resounding "No" and that
would be the end of it. Btw, when BYU wasn't independent they got home and
homes with the very elite in CFB, while Utah didnt. This is why I don't
believe independence should be the future for BYU football. Being in a
conference gives you more tv leverage. That's the only reason Michigan is
coming to SLC...PAC12 TV money. Just another case of Utah siphoning and riding
PAC coat tails while contributing very little if anything to the
conference...the Wyoming of the PAC12.
WACpaddled"FYI - The PAC 12 has deals with both FOX and
ESPN"During Independence, 26 of 26 BYU games have been
nationally televised, including 18 games on NBC, ABC, ESPN, or ESPN2.NBC 1ESPN 10ESPN2 6ESPNU 3ABC/ESPN3 1 FOXSports/ESPN3 1 FOXSports/BYUtv 1 ESPN3 1BYUtv 2Remind us how many times the Utes have appeared on ESPN during the last two
years courtesy of the PAC 12's contract with ESPN.
@Marked it DownHolmoe should offer a 2 for 1, take it or leave
it.Frankly I don't care if we play them or not.It's seldom ever been a quality win for BYU.-------------True. But high quality beat downs for sure:Utah 52 BYU 21
... First BCS BusterUtah 48 BYU 24 ... First BCS Buster IIUtah 54
@BYU 10 ... PAC 12 Season I Sun BowlUte Nation thanks BYU for being
a "speed bump" for what Utah has accomplished in the BCS era.P.S. Yes, I speak for ALL Ute Nation.
Something that isn't commented on enough:You think your team
got better in the off season? You think your team made a major upgrade? You
think you're on the upswing?Well, so do all the other teams.
Every other team thinks that. For the Utes, if they really want to
take a step forward, they should be thinking about improving faster than the
other teams. How do they do that? It's a trick, isn't it? Every other
team thinks this way, too. So unless many of the players who have
been underrated really start playing out of their minds, Utah will remain in the
middle of the pack. I'm a Ute fan, and I realize this. With
someone like Urban Meyer, there was a paradigm shift. Nobody knew what hit them
when the Utes played teams starting in 03 and into 04. The success from that
season was successfully parlayed into the 08 season via recruiting. Little tweaks won't get us better this season, because everyone does
that. Big risks, paradigm shifts, and unbelievable performance is the only way
to a season better than 5-7 or 6-6.
@Solomon LeviDuring Independence, 26 of 26 BYU games have been
nationally televised, including 18 games on NBC, ABC, ESPN, or ESPN2.-------------So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you
nationally (in particular in Texas and California).Go UTES!!
I hadn't paid much attention to the future Y schedule until I read the post
from Aggie Voice:Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada,
Southern Miss, UNLVAn honest Y fan would have to admit that
isn't a very attractive slate of home games and yet some fans will continue
to brag about the record at the end of the year. When the Cougs schedule a real
slate of decent teams AND win 8 or more games you will have something to brag
about. Until then, your comparisons are pretty hollow.Being part of
a major conference doesn't make you a better team but it sure gives you a
better schedule. Utah will have USC, Oregon and Arizona at home in 2014, all of
which are better than any team on the Y's home schedule.
@clehmanSo unless many of the players who have been underrated
really start playing out of their minds, Utah will remain in the middle of the
pack. I'm a Ute fan, and I realize this.------------In early 2000's Utah's recruiting classes were ranked around 80s-90s
(see Scouts). Ever since 2003 the talent has been getting better. Since the PAC 12 move we have overtaken BYU as the flagship program in the
State, we now get most of top in-state recruits.Now Ute classes rank
in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12.In order to
compete in the PAC-12 we must continue to build depth at each and every spot.
I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle
before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy. Our preseason hype
last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It
takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but
also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in
the right direction.
killarney says "One game doesn't prove anything."How about 3
games in a row? How about BYU has yet to beat Utah as an independent?(insert usual lines about "we gave the game away" here)(insert copy and paste selected stats which include something about 1984 here)
@Vegas Ute,Why would you just assume that I'm a Cougar fan. Is
it so impossible to believe that some of us out there might actually have an
interest in other teams besides Utah and BYU. It doesnt take rocket science to
see that the quality of football is significantly better out of state than it is
here in Utah. Look at my posts. I get annoyed equally by the
myopic fans of either school. Neither program is in the same time zone as the
truly elite teams in college football. But you sure wouldn't know that
from the tone of these message boards.
Uteology"So? You don't get a cookie for being on TV.For example, even with that exposure Utah still out recruits you
nationally (in particular in Texas and California)."Where are
all of those amazing Utah recruits in this season's individual awards watch
lists?Where were all of those amazing Utah recruits during last
year's bowl season?It's quite obvious to any fan not
living under that crimson bubble on the hill that Utah's recruiting classes
have been vastly over-rated.
“The University of Utah had a great opportunity to go to a conference. So
we had to adjust to that.” This doesn't sound consistent with the
cougar fans that claim independence was always a goal of the Y and something
they had prepared for years in advance - does it?Also:When Dr. Hill said it has always been our intention to play BYU in the future
I take him at his word! However, that does not say the intention is to play BYU
every year in the future. I can only hope it is something like once every three
years. This would allow the University to schedule games in areas of recruiting
interest, geographical diversification, and games with out of conference high
profile football programs. Listen to the all the U fans, Dr. Hill, not the media
or the cougar fans. (Yes there are U fans that want the game scheduled on a
yearly basis; however, I believe, the majority see the advantage to the
University for diversification in scheduling. I know I do!)
Allow the game to be played.Duckhunter and Chris B simply
wouldn't have anything to do without the game. Nothing to say, nothing to
do. Both secretly need each other as this game is the Bain of their existence.
Their identies are wrapped around the rivalry. Play it for Ducky!Play it for Chris B!
Uteology"Now Ute classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging
#7 in the PAC-12."Unfortunately, your final result aren't
so impressive, #39 and #61, leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.Meanwhile, BYU finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final
ranking of #30.Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so
exhilarating.Do you get a cookie for that?
@Ute Fans2014 is an exciting schedule for a BYU footfall fan. I am
still wondering what will be the last game not yet set up. It could be
something special in a big pro stadium (teams are amping up schedules for the
playoffs). It could be a bonus home game with a small school. I am hoping for
a SEC team in an NFL stadium. USU, Texas and Boise State should all be really
good in 2014. The home slate features four teams that I
don't remember every playing in Utah. I enjoy the novelty of playing
different programs. The only team I am not excited in seeing is the UNLV game.
I just hope they will be decent that year.Stop hating Middle
Tennesee State. They won eight games last year and were bowl eligible. They
typically have a winning record. They aren't a household name, but that
doesn't make it right for anti-fans to mock their program.The
thing about scheduling, no one knows how good a program is going to be when the
game actually happens.
Cougsndawgs "This is why I don't believe independence should be the
future for BYU football. Michigan is just another case of Utah siphoning
and riding PAC coat tails while contributing very little if anything to the
conference".Following your logic here, I presume you favor BYU
going back to the MWC. It was in the MWC that BYU was able to land those home
and home series. You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12,
because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get
a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle.
Unfortunately for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and
they wouldn't want it to change. Those better recruits come with baggage
and expectations. Handling talent isn't BYU's style. Playing at a
higher level with mid-major players would lead to a bad case of
@Ute FansThe best feature of the 2014 schedule isn't who is on
the program. For me it is the lack of one program in particular that makes that
and the next year special. There is little chance for BYU to lose to a sub .500
team in 2014 without Utah on the slate.
For Utah Fans:Who had the better team in 2011: 3-10 Colorado or 8-5
Utah?For BYU fans:Who had the better team in 2012: 5-7
Utah or 8-5 BYUAsking who had the "better" team has multiple
meanings which many times fans get all mixed up and end up mindlessly
arguing.Definition #1 - Which team won more games, beat better
teams, played in a bowl game, had a winning season, etc...are just a few
criteria to determine which team had an overall better season. Definition #2 - Which team won the head-to-head matchup.My point
is Colorado did not have a better season than Utah in 2011. They were terrible.
However, in the head-to-head, they showed they were the better team that day.
I will quickly admit that Utah has BYU's number in football and
they had the better team on the field when they played last year. Congrats.
However, i will also readily admit that BYU had the better overall season in
2012. A 5-7 record for Utah with your best win being over BYU is hard to sell
otherwise. Can't wait for the game this year.
SoonerUte"You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or
Big12, because BYU would "ride coat tails".BYU might ride
the coat tails of teams like USC, Texas and Oklahoma (although BYU is 4-1 versus
Texas and Oklahoma combined), but Utah would still be riding BYU's coat
tales in the PAC 12. Unlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference bottom
dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like Wyoming,
Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.
Snack PACOlympus Cove, UtahUteology"So? You
don't get a cookie for being on TV.For example, even with that
exposure Utah still out recruits you nationally (in particular in Texas and
California)."Where are all of those amazing Utah recruits in
this season's individual awards watch lists?Where were all of
those amazing Utah recruits during last year's bowl season?It's quite obvious to any fan not living under that crimson bubble on the
hill that Utah's recruiting classes have been vastly over-rated.-------------See NFL.
MUSSing with UBaltimore, MDUteology"Now Ute
classes rank in the mid-30s, which is averaging #7 in the PAC-12."Unfortunately, your final result aren't so impressive, #39 and #61,
leaving U with an average final ranking of #50.Meanwhile, BYU
finishing #34 and #26, giving BYU an average final ranking of #30.Averaging 8th place PAC 12 finishes must be so exhilarating.Do you
get a cookie for that?----------No, but OWING BYU will
do for now until we're able to compete against PAC-12 teams.
@WACPaddingOurSchedule - "Who says you can play anyone in Sept? If
that's true why aren't you scheduling Alabama, Ohio State,
Oregon....?"Because we're busy scheduling Texas, Nebraska,
Michigan, Boise St, Notre Dame, West Virginia and USC in September instead.PS - We beat Oregon by 30 just a few years ago. How will U do against
them this year?
@MUSSing with UUnlike Kyle, who is constantly losing to conference
bottom dwellers, Bronco as never lost to bottom dwelling conference teams like
Wyoming, Colorado State, New Mexico, UNLV or Colorado.----------Not true, Kyle doesn't constantly lose to bottom dwellers: He has lost to bottom feeders 4.76% times (5 games)He has beat
ranked teams 5.71% times (6 games) The difference, he's
accomplished Bronco's "Quest".
SoonerUte:"You would be opposed to BYU joining the PAC16 or Big12,
because BYU would "ride coat tails". Utah and TCU are struggling to get
a foothold at the higher level of play, and so would BYU struggle. Unfortunately
for the Cougars, their recruiting would change very little, and they
wouldn't want it to change".I disagree. I think BYUs
recruiting would improve dramatically. There are many very good Mormon or
Christian players that BYU misses out on because they go to schools in bigger
conferences. I believe if BYU were in the PAC-whatever, or Big 12 they would get
a much larger portion of those athletes. Also, in terms of TCU, they have a
distinct recruiting advantage over Utah because they reside in the most fertile
recruiting ground in the country. While Utah's recruiting has improved,
there's a glass ceiling that exists because there's no niche like BYU
has with Mormons/Christians, and they don't reside in Dallas/FW Texas like
TCU. This is what will leave Utah being a mid to lower tier PAC school, whereas
I believe TCU will be very competitive in the future in the Big 12.
“We were like, ‘Who initiates the contract?’” Holmoe
recalled with a laugh. “It sounds strange, but that was it because we were
always in a conference together and you don’t do contracts when
you’re in a conference.”Duh, BYU is not in a conference.
You, Tom, you initiate contracts. That IS the job.
Please Ute fans give the 2 for 1 thing a rest. Please give the "you
don't care if you play BYU" a rest. Please give the "We are in the
Pac 12 and now too important for BYU" a rest.Here is the simple
truth. Fans of both school love the game. We love the fight and we love the
smack talk. The opposite of love is not hate, it is indifference and neither Y
fans nor U fans are indifferent to each other.So lets just admit we
love the game and love to "hate" each other. It good fun and life is
better for the rivals. Ask a USC fan which game is their must win -
it's Notre Dame - a non Pac 12 game. So go Utes have a great
PAC 12 season, but stop pretending that your don't care about the real Big
Game. BYU fans admit it as well, we love the U game and it is our
Big Game. It belong in November. It good for the State and its good for fans
of both schools. Lets just admit it and move on.
the picture in this article says everything you need to know about
Marked it Down: Thanks for making my morning. As a fan of a program that is
7-13 against the U. over the last 20 years, you seem to have a remarkably strong
LCBSoCalBYU is 29-21 against the U over the last 50 years.More importantly, BYU has dominated the U where it really counts, in the
national rankings.17 AP Top 25 finishes to only 5During
the Bronco/Kyle era4 AP Top 25 finishes to only 213 of
the last 16 head-to-head games between BYU and Utah have been decided by a
touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. There's absolutely
no reason for BYU fans to panic just because BYU has lost a few more of those
close games than BYU has won during the last few years. A couple of made
game-ending FG tries in the last 3 games, and BYU would be leading Utah 5-3
during the Bronco/Kyle era.
That's a Good One:"Hill added that playing BYU in the
future has 'always been our full intention'...How could that possibly
be true? That flies in the face of everything that 95% of Ute homers commenting
on the DesNews have claimed for a couple of years now."It
appears that in your frenzied plea for validation, you misunderstood what Dr.
Hill was suggesting. He wasn't suggesting that it had always been
Utah's full intention to play this game "annually". He was just
saying that the Utes intended to continue to schedule future games. Period.We'll also likely continue to schedule future games with Utah St.
Don't be surprised to see future games with Weber St. as well. Not
"annually" of course; just "in the future".
Marked it Down:"[Utah]'s seldom ever been a quality win for
BYU."I think what you meant to say was "it's seldom
been a win for BYU." Only 3-wins in the past 11 attempts? Not good for the
Indy-WACers.As for "quality of wins", you got a quality win
back in '09 -- aka, your LAST win -- back when you eked out an O/T Home
game vs. a team that finished ranked #18 in the final AP poll. Conversely, the
only "quality win" we picked up from the Indy-WACers these past 11
seasons was a barely-ranked #25 Las Vegas Bowl loser back in 2008.
ThomasJefferson:"As a BYU, Utah,and Nebraska Alum...I like to
chide the Ute fans because long before my Utah days I sat in Lincoln Memorial
Stadium and watched the Huskers humiliate the Utes by some obscene score like 63
to 3."It was 63-13; not 63-3...and those were the Aggies; not
the Utes. You're no Utah alumnus. Look...I get it. It's
been super embarrassing to be an Indy-WACer these days. You can't beat
your big brother anymore, and you're all doomed to jumping on the bandwagon
of other teams who CAN -- including Colorado's. Some of you had even
resorted to pretending to be a Utah alumnus just to be able to show one's
face around these threads. How miserable for you. How marvelous.
Naval VetBYU has won 29 of the last 50 (almost 60%) during the last
half-century.Since BYU is a perennially ranked team (18 of the last
36 years), Utah has had multiple opportunities to achieve quality wins over
BYU.On the other hand, since Utah is almost never ranked, only 5 AP
Top 25 finishes in their entire history, BYU almost never has a chance to beat a
ranked Utah team.During the Bronco/Kyle era, BYU has been ranked 5
times; Utah only 3.So yes, beating Utah is seldom a quality win BYU.
navelvetIt's even more embarrassing to be a PACy-WACer
nowadays. No Top 25 finishes. Home losses to 10-loss teams that hadn't won
a road game in four years. Losing conference records. Losing, bowl-less seasons.
Unable to beat a single conference foe with a winning record. Not even able to
beat the only WAC team on your schedule.In two seasons as a
PACy-WACer, Utah's average final ranking in Sagarin has been 50th.Meanwhile, your Independent big brothers have been ranked in the Top 25, have
won two bowl games, and have averaged 30th in the final Sagarin rankings.
"Marked it DownPark City, UTHolmoe should offer a 2 for 1,
take it or leave it.Frankly I don't care if we play them or
not.It's seldom ever been a quality win for BYU."When you win 3 times a decade it's pretty hard to frequent quality win
when you seldom win period.Basically what you are saying is when
Utah is good Utah wins, when the teams are both bad Utah wins, so the only time
you can beat Utah is when they aren't good and BYU has their best team in a
decade. Got it.
@Las Vegas UteI would look at my own schedule before mocking BYU, at least
we are playing all division 1 teams, unlike the Utes who are playing Weber
@Down UnderAggie Voice,Until today I have been a huge Aggie
fan on these boards. No longer.GO COUGS....and beat Utah AND USU.I was the reason for your tipping because I brought up BYU's 2014
schedule? Sorry to state the obvious, and I am glad you want to beat us now!Love, little brother.
@Cougsndawgs West Point , UTAggiePride:"Utah
State is the reigning state champ!"How do you figure? BYU beat
you (and it was far worse on the stat sheet). A victory over Utah doesn't
make you state champs regardless how bad you want it to. Would the
Beehive Boot be a good determining factor since we beat each other circularly?
USU has won the Beehive Boot 2 out of the last 3 years."Little
Brother is growing up, starting to shave, and growing some muscles." - Matt
IMO 2 for 1's are an admission of hubris, insecurity and cowardice all in
one statement. It states, "I'm a big name school who has
more to lose if I lose to you than you do if you lose to me. I can't afford
a loss or the other big name schools might not think I belong in their league.
I'm afraid I might lose to you in your stadium, so you have to assuage my
fear and doubt by giving me an extra game in my stadium."
Navel"It appears that in your frenzied plea for validation, you
misunderstood what Dr. Hill was suggesting."Ya, that was pretty
frenzied wasn't it? You're almost (not quite but close) as funny as
Chris B in your comments.By the way, I don't see the word
"annual" anywhere in my comment. Must be part of the daily habit where
Ute homers just make stuff up in a frenzied plea for validation???
At this point, I am fine with not even playing Utah. The hatred between the 2
schools has become ridiculous (glad I don't live in Utah). Oh, and Chris B
goes away only when he gets a job, so he'll be around--he makes Utah fans
look pretty pathetic
sportyguy"Basically what you are saying is when Utah is good
Utah wins, when the teams are both bad Utah wins, so the only time you can beat
Utah is when they aren't good and BYU has their best team in a
decade."What he's really saying is BYU is usually good and
Utah is usually mediocre, so BYU rarily has an opportunity to beat a
"good" Utah team, while Utah has many opportunities to beat a
"good" BYU team.
Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk smack! Sad!Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!
As a proud Ute fan and Utah alum, I have to say that anyone that would suggest a
2 for 1, or not playing the game is a not a real fan, or someone that
doesn't understand college football and rivalries. The Utes have been 7-3
in the past decade down south, and those 3 losses have been by a combined 13
points. LES has lost it's home field advantage for the Kewgs since Saint
Lavell retired. Although, I'm glad that Chris Hill sent the Y a notice that
we have all the hand in the relationship nowadays. Watching the Y to scramble
with their schedule, and coming up with a 1 and 1 with Middle Tennessee State
gave me a chuckle. Have fun in Murpheesboro next year Y fans.3 in a
row.7 of the last 10.Go Utes!!
The only reason Chris B. is promising to "go away" when BYU beats Utah
in September is because he would be doing a disappearing act anyway just so he
wouldn't have to live with the humiliation of his not so mighty Utes losing
to their big brothers.
BYU vs. Utah games are the best. I hope they get back to playing them every year
like the good old days. I was raised on those games
Noodlekaboodle: "at least we are playing all division 1 teams".First of all, how do you know you arent't going to play a DII school in
2014? Your schedule isn't complete! Even with your 2013 "big boy"
schedule, you're SOS will STILL be much lower than Utah's.Second of all, that's the best comeback for byU "fans"? Do you
really want to compare schedules?Utah: @ Michigan byU: @ Mid TN St
- that should tell you all you need to know about schedules! But, we'll go
on:byU: @ UConn, @ TX, UVA, Houston, USU, @ Central Florida, UNR,
@BSU, So Miss, UNLV, plus one left over for the usual Idaho/New Mexico/DII
gimee.Utah:Fresno, @ Michigan, @ UCLA, @ Stanford, @ASU, @Colorado, USC,
Oregon, AZ, Wassu.Your entire season rests on ONE away game at
Texas. Beyond that, the only other game worth watching is at Boise. On the
bright side for you, it looks like another banner year for byU home games!!Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!
romeisn'tburning: Amen brother!JCC75: Dead on about Chris B!!
VegasUte"First of all, how do you know you arent't going to
play a DII school in 2014?"BYU hasn't played a DII school
in football in DECADES!"Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be
able to talk smack!"You can go back to the beginning of time if
you like; you'll still only have FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, no National
Championships, no Heisman Trophy winners, no National Hall of Fame players, no
National Individual Award winners, and you'll still be 21 of 50 (barely
40%), versus BYU during the last half century, with absolutely NO
accomplishments of any kind on a national scale prior to then.Now
that's what you call "SAD".
VegasUte"Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!"13-0
#2/#410-3 #18/#1810-3 ur/#238-5 unranked/#39 in Sagarin5-7 unranked/#61 in Sagarin, no bowl3-9???The Utes have a
very strange definition of "onward and upward".
@Spokane Ute. I would imagine the premise for BYU fans claiming to have the
better team is the fact that, a high percentage of years, in seasons where the
utes win "the game", their season immediately goes belly up after that.
Whereas BYU usually recovers and completes a more respectable season. No doubt this is because the U puts everything they have into the contest with
BYU because it means just so much more to them; and they have nothing left for
the rest of the season. You can point to SOS, but that is not always the case.
That loss to Colorado didn't impress me much.I wish football
shedules were like basketball and we get to play the same teams (at least some
of them) twice in a season.
CougFaninTXFrisco, TX"PS - We beat Oregon by 30 just a few
years ago. How will U do against them this year?"Congratulations
on beating a hapless 7-6 Oregon team in 2006! Las Vegas Bowl victories are so
rare for byU! Gary Crowton really had that Oregon offense humming on all four
cylinders. Unlike that Chip Kelly, Crowton is an offensive genius! You byU "fans" sure do get a kick out of bragging about wins over
extremely mediocre teams in third tier bowl games!But since you are
going all the way back to 2006 to have bragging rights over something, why
don't you scoot ahead two years to 2008. That's the year Utah went
13-0 and beat Alabama in the Sugar Bowl, you know, a meaningful game. Not a
hapless Alabama, mind you, a 12-2 Alabama, whose only losses that year were to
NC Florida in the SEC championship game, and Utah. Who has Alabama lost to in a
bowl game since that date? Hint: nobody!!You can have the 2006 Las
Vegas Bowl, I'll take the 2009 Sugar Bowl.Thanks, come
again!Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!
Utah was not the first choice, not even the second choice, but Utah was the
"need someone to make 12 - - - choice" Once again, Utah
rises with a little help from their friends in Provo.
Surf is Up: "Whereas BYU usually recovers and completes a more respectable
season."Well, I hope so! With games against such power houses
as Weber St, Idaho St., Hawaii and New Mexico St., I would hope that you would
have a "respectable" season!! It's not going to be the case this
year. Although the byU schedule is still much weaker than Utah's, you
don't have the lineup of usual patsies (I mean, besides Idaho St and Mid Tn
ST). Only time will tell if you can be "respectable" with a somewhat
decent schedule.Go Utes!
@Vegas UteDo you know of football programs outside of Utah? Boise
State happens to be a top flight ranked team every year for the last decade and
has had more big time wins in the last ten years than Utah has had in its entire
history. The Boise vs BYU game is equally as important as the Texas game for a
shot at the playoffs.Utah State in 2014 will have a stud senior in
Chuckie Keaton. Depending on this year, he may be in the running for the
Heisman. Its too bad that either USU or Boise will beat the other team. USU
might be ranked.Middle TN ST, UCF and Southern Miss will be bowl
eligible teams with 7-9 wins each. Both programs are consistent in their
leagues. Nevada should also be bowl bound.UConn, Houston and
Virgina should hover around 6 wins apiece. UNLV is not likely to put up more
than 3 or 4 wins. BYU has one more game to schedule. No matter who
they schedule, 2014 is going to be the third or fourth best schedule they have
had with only UNLV being a bad program.
VegasUte"Congratulations on beating a hapless 7-6 Oregon team in
2006!"LOL at your frantic and emotional spin.Utah
fans have been beating their chests for years about that glorious string of bowl
game wins over "hapless".The ONLY decent team that the Utes
beat during their entire 9-game bowl winning streak was an unmotivated Alabama
team that was missing its best player.Even Utah's Fiesta Bowl
opponent, Pittsburgh, was worse than the then 16th-ranked Oregon State team that
BYU crushed in the Las Vegas Bowl. If BYU hadn't beaten the Beavers so
badly, they wouldn't have dropped out of the final polls.
AggieVoiceLogan, UT"2014 BYU Schedule:Home-
Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLVAway- UCONN,
Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle TennesseeWhat games excite you on there
besides Texas, Boise, and Utah State (if you even claim that)? I hear so much
about how Independence is so great, but that schedule doesn't seem like
much of a door buster."Reasonable question. Texas and Boise are
both certain to be good games. Houston, Utah State, Nevada,
Southern Miss may or may not be good games. But then again, their fans could
say the same thing abut BYU, although under the Mendenhall tenure, the cougars
have been pretty consistent.Virginia, UCONN, UCF, probably not.Middle Tennessee, UNLV, umm, yeah.Point is, Utah State may
want to make sure they've come through the recent coaching change before
talking too much schedule smack. You may end up being schedule smack. And
you're playing in the MWC now. Not only is your own schedule iffy, your
games have been vanquished to the outer-darkness of tv universe.
VegasUteHopefully you'll recover from your loss to BYU.Luckily, with Weber State and Colorado on your schedule, you have a
decent chance at not finishing winless.
Go Utes . . . please . . . .just go . . . .and leave us in peace.
AggiePrideLogan, UT"Utah State is the reigning state
champ!"Congratulations on ending the season the highest ranked
team in the state! However, reigning state champ title would belong
to the team who beat the other teams in state. That is no more Utah State than
it is BYU or even lowly Utah for that matter.
It's amazing how many BYU fans are interested in our Utah programs to the
point where they actually pay homage to us by their very choice of
pseudonyms.These include: MUSSing with U, Uteanymous, backpacn,
redfeather, Swoop, etc.It's flattering to know that we are so
important to you that you would choose a name associated with our school as your
JCC75 SEATTLE, WA "At this point, I am fine with not even playing Utah. The
hatred between the 2 schools has become ridiculous (glad I don't live in
Utah)."Except on these posts, this is a non-issue in Salt Lake.
Most fans can't find the excitement in a non-conference game at the
beginning of the year. If we can't play for conference position, than
it's just an instate bragging game which is too dumb to take serious.
This just posted on flipper...BYU basketball has signed a 6 for 3 agreement with
the Utah Runnin Utes. A Utah official stated...no way were we going to sign the
6 for 2 deal. He also stated that 2 of the 3 games might be played at Energy
Solutions arena saying,nobody shows up here anyway.
I don't think any self-respecting BYU fan would adopt an screen name like
redfeather or Swoop. I don't know any of them, but if you read the posts
under those names, they come across as Utah fans with a more reasoned
perspective of Utah football.
goredOnly in that jolly little world on the hill would mocking be
Utah also is .200 against quality competition. I'm fine with
the re-schedule, but no more Sunday games (see photo with article).
TroyTown:byU last 3 bowl wins: UTEP, Tulsa, SDSUUtah last 3
bowl wins: Alabama, California, Georgia Tech Nice try."Hopefully you'll recover from your loss to BYU."That's what the byU "fans" say every year. Hasn't worked
out too well for you lately, has it? I seem to recall byU "fans" all
over Utah stories saying the same thing before Utah stomped Alabama in the Sugar
Bowl!"was an unmotivated Alabama team"Tell that
to Nick Saban - he most definitely does NOT agree with you."team
that was missing its best player."You mean kind of like the Utah
team in 2012 that went into the Holy War missing it's starting QB, its most
prolific running back in history and both starting safeties? And what was the
result from that game? Another Utah victory you say? Well, based on your
analogy, byU should have won that game handily. Was byU "unmotivated"
too?Thanks for [laying. Come again!Go Utes!!
Steven S Jarvis:"No matter who they schedule, 2014 is going to
be the third or fourth best schedule they have had with only UNLV being a bad
program." Maybe Bronco can put that on a T-shirt next year and
byU "fans" can use that as their battle cry. It could even be a selling
point for recruiting!!LOLGo Utes!!
SalemiteSalem, UtUtah was not the first choice, not even the second
choice, but Utah was the "need someone to make 12 - - - choice" Once again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in
Provo.________BYU was not the first, second, third,
fourth, fifth, six, seventh, eighth, ninth, tenth.....choice. "apparently
nobody needs them in any conference."Once again, BYU is left on
the outside, eating scraps under the table thrown by other teams.
eastcoastcougDanbury, CTUtah also is .200 against quality
competition. ______Utah was just named one the most
successful college football programs of the BCS era (Bleacher Report top 25
list.) The Utes are ranked #15. BYU was nowhere to be found.
@VegasUte "Now FAX is going back FIVE decades to be able to talk
smack!"Whereas you and most utes like to pretend that
significant football history started around 2004 when in fact, as we all know,
significant accomplishments for U started around then.And that is
the drum you beat every time you want to argue about it.
@VegasUte. I just love your sign-off signature: Go Utes! Onward and
Upward!!You might as well adopt Buzz Lightyear's "Go utes!
To infinity and beyond!"As it is right now the real one you
should use right now is: "Go utes!.....there's nowhere to go but
up!"Or maybe "Go utes... you've hit rock bottom. Please
don't proceed to dig"
WACPaddingOurSchedule:Sorry to burst your PAC 12 Bubble...BYU WAS
the second choice. Requiring a unanimous vote among the conference schools, two
said no. And for political reasons, because BYU stands for something...and so
Utah was the desperation "third".
VegasUte"BYU last 3 bowl wins: UTEP, Tulsa, SDSUUtah last
3 bowl wins: Alabama, California, Georgia Tech"Nice try, but
I'm LOL at your usual crimson-glasses shaded view of the world.Here's reality.Year/Opponent/Ranking/Result of bowls during
the Bronco/Kyle eraBronco2005 Cal(29) 28-35 lost2006
Ore(24) 38-8 won2007 UCLA(33) 17-16 won2008 Ariz(24) 21-31 lost2009 OSU(34) 44-20 won2010 UTEP(121) 52-24 won2011 Tulsa(34) 24-21
won2012 SDSU(66) 23-6 wonKyle2005 Ga Tech(41) 38-102006 Tulsa(77) 25-132007 Navy(74) 35-322008 Ala(6) 31-172009
Cal(46) 37-272010 BSU(6) 3-262011 Ga Tech(56) 30-272012 no
bowlBronco has played SIX bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings
higher than 40. Kyle has only played TWO.Bronco has beaten
FOUR bowl opponents with Sagarin rankings higher than 40. Kyle has only
WACpaddled"Utah was just named one the most successful college
football programs of the BCS era..." by an Alabama fan who
decided to write an article
byu should ask for a 2-1 from Utah? ROTFLM kidneys off. Best joke of the week.
The Aggies wont even give byu a 2-1 anymore, its byu who needs the games! Nice
try, enjoy playing Idaho State in November... if they'll play you!
@pcaggieActually the most recent deal signed by BYU and usu is a 2
for 1 in BYU's favor. And as of this writing BYU has not agreed to ever
play usu again as anything other than a 2-1 and usu admits they'll take
ParkCityAggie"The Aggies wont even give BYU a 2-1
anymore"Don't be so sure.The only possible way
BYU will agree to a long-term 1-1 is as a season-ending game.It's not a matter of disrespecting Utah State's football program,
it's simply a matter of economics. Tiny Romney Stadium only seats 25,000,
40,000 fewer than LES. At an average ticket price of $50, a minimum of $2
million in gate receipts is lost every time the game is played in Logan, rather
than Provo.That doesn't even consider television rights fees,
where a game in Provo is practically guaranteed to be televised on ESPN and
BYU's contract with ESPN pays more than double per game what the MWC's
contract with ESPN pays.And that doesn't even consider the fact
that 40,000 fewer fans are able to attend the game, when the game is played in
@salemite - please provide your source that BYU was the second choice of the PAC
12 and only 2 schools voted against them. I'll hold my comments until you
qualify your post.Given that the conference plays Sunday events, I
have my doubts they was any realistic discussion of adding BYU to the PAC.
goredEnjoyed your comment. I'll use this one if you don't
TroyTownAnaheim, CAWACpaddled"Utah was just named
one the most successful college football programs of the BCS era..." by an Alabama fan who decided to write an article_____And the article is written by featured columnist on Bleacher Report.
What is your point? Alabama was not listed #1If you don't like it go
write up your own.
The Utes are a second tier team in a second tier conference. They couldn't
shine Alabama's shoes. Good luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally
think that the Utes are just plain scared of the Y.
FlashbackKearns, UT said:"The Utes are a second tier team
in a second tier conference. They couldn't shine Alabama's shoes. Good
luck with the PAC Whatever. I personally think that the Utes are just plain
scared of the Y."Was Utah scared of Alabama when the put a beat
down on them? The Tide ended up shining the Utes shoes after that BCS game.BYU is just a midmajor without a conference. Oh and good luck with
independence or whatever.
@Vegas UteYou do realize that your own schedule features both Idaho
State and Colorado in 2014? There will likely be at least one more horrible
PAC12 team that Utah will beat that year, perhaps two. Utah will play at least
double the garbage teams that BYU will in 2014. While you like your schedule, I
love BYU's.Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in
order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU
to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that win.
While an ignorant poster may not appreciate what Middle TN State or Southern
Mississippi has accomplished, the panel that decides who is going to the the
national championship playoffs does. If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in
the playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls
like the Fiesta. BYU would only have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a
likely higher overall average of competition than say Utah who will have beaten
at least three trash teams.
Steven S Jarvis:"Utah desperately needs to be in a conference in
order to play topflight games. BYU does not. Being independent has allowed BYU
to put together schedules all across the country and against teams that
win."So you're position is that if the Utes were to have
opted for independence, wouldn't have been able to fill up our schedules
with Home-&-Home agreements with the worst teams in the WAC, Middle Tenn.
St., So. Mississippi, or UNLV? We wouldn't have been able to schedule
one-offs with teams like Michigan or Nebraska...despite having already been
successful doing so while in the WAC and MWC? We wouldn't have been able
to schedule 2-for-1s with Texas....despite having already been successful
scheduling a Home-&-Home with them before having to drop them after TCU
joined the MWC? That sounded very frantic and emotional of you.
Steven S Jarvis:"If BYU wins out in 2014 they should be in the
playoffs. At the very least they will be offered one of the smaller bowls like
the Fiesta."That's easy to say when you know you'll
never have to prove it. Utah's little brother had only "won out"
one time in their entire football playing history....and just barely at that.
And THAT was with what would most likely prove to be an even weaker SOS than the
one you'll be facing in 2014. You won't win out. And even if you do,
nobody will care. That 2014 SOS is too weak."BYU would only
have one bad win on its schedule (UNLV) and a likely higher overall average of
competition than say Utah who will have beaten at least three trash
teams."As long as the Utes are in the Pac-12, and the
Indy-WACers are still drifting aimlessly without an elite conference,
they'll never have a stronger schedule than the Utes. Period.
Salemite:"Utah was not the first choice, not even the second
choice, but Utah was the 'need someone to make 12 - - - choice'...Once
again, Utah rises with a little help from their friends in Provo."The Indy-WACers were never a choice for the Pac-12. You frantically and
emotionally made that up. Furthermore, the Utes' invitation to the Pac-10
was based on 3 metrics: Academics, Athletics, and Culture.Academically, we are a Tier-1 Research university, and rank in the Top-100
universities in the world. The Indy-WACers are neither.Athletically, we bring 22 national championships and 2 BCS bowl trophies to
the table. The Indy-WACers bring fewer NCs, and 0 BCS bowl invitations.Culturally, we brought the 2nd largest DMA (behind Denver/CU) to the
Pac-10 that was not already a member, and we were not censored by the AAUP for
violating free speech and academic freedom. The Indy-WACers are NOTORIOUS for
stamping out free speech and academic freedom, and had been censored by the AAUP
for nearly 2-decades.We didn't receive any help from the Y.
The Y just never measured up.
Naval VetThe Utes most impossible hurdle to overcome as an
Independent would have been not having a national television contract with any
major network. U would have ended up on KJZZ for all of your home games. And no,
as a regional, mid-major, Independent, U wouldn't have been able to entice
teams like Notre Dame, Texas, Florida St, Penn St, Miami, and USC to come to
tiny RES to play on KJZZ.
Thanks for your point salemite (is that something like vegimite?)Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right after Texas and Oklahoma.
Good company. But to make sure there is full disclosure, the PAC 12
invite wasn't solely based on football and athletics. Academics was also a
lesser but significant piece of the decision.
@navalThat's right, utah would not have been able to schedule
independently like BYU has because utah owuld not have gotten an exclusive and
personal contract with the world wide leader in sports, ESPN. Without that
contract there would be no interest in utah at all.
Re: wookie"Utah was the third choice for pac10 expansion right
after Texas and Oklahoma. Good company. "Ha! And your source is
wwookieIn terms of the real factors that determined Utah's
invitation to the PAC:1. Television Market (big enough to enhance
the PAC's new television contract)2. Culture (not a private,
religiously-based school)3. Research University (heavy emphasis)4.
Academics (acceptable undergraduate)5. Geographical Location (within the
PAC footprint)6. Athletics (decent)7. Football (decent)As evidenced by the train-wreck of a football program Colorado brought to the
PAC, football was only a minor consideration. All the PAC needed was a couple of
bottom-dwelling punching bags for the big boys of the conference to pad their
conference win totals and allow the PAC to stage a conference championship game.
@Naval VetIf Utah had ventured into independence it would have
struggled to find relevant match ups that would be willing to come to Utah. They
could get Pac10 schools and Boise, but that is about it. Utah isn't BYU.
Utah will never be BYU. I think fans on both sides are grateful for that fact.
Utah got into a conference where they want to be in. BYU went independent where
they also wanted to be. Independence has been floating around campus when I was
at the Y more than a decade ago.Weber State is Utah's little
brother. Utah's big brother is the one that has the big boy stadium, a
winning tradition and the larger national brand.
I am glad to see the jealous ramblings of many BYU faithful continues unabated
years after the Utah PAC 12; bitterness is the sincerest form of flattery. And
to Steve Jarvis, you're right, Utah will never be BYU, why would they want
to be. A mid major independent is something any D1 team can be (Idaho and New
Mexico State chose the lowly SunBelt Conference over such a woeful state).
Also, the little brother in this all is the one with the horrible record against
his BCS PAC 12 big brother. Try beating us with with some consistency, or at
least get the head to head record within 20 games before you pound your chest.
I find it hilarious that BYU had to schedule a bye week before the Utah game in
order to get more practice/to stand a chance. Speaks volumes on where things
stand. Go Utes, Go Aggies.
pebblesIt's even more hilarious to see our little brothers
still trying to validate their fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full
seasons, it's becoming blatantly obvious that you're in over your
heads; U can't even compete with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the
big boys of the conference.What really speaks volumes is the kids on
the hill continuing to use your record versus BYU as your metric for success.Being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can
be - see Northwestern, Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State,
and Vanderbilt, among many others.Being a perennial Top 25 team is
something only nationally prominent programs can be.While Utah rides
the coat tales and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually
accomplished something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of
byu's big brother is the one that beats you every year. lol.
@Rock of the MarineBYU is not a mid-major program. Utah is not a
powerhouse. The programs are on the same DI playing field. The difference
between the two in terms of national and regional respect however is staggering.
BYU has it. Utah doesn't.Utah fans should be respectful and
happy they are in the PAC12. Instead they disrespect their opponents. USC has
enough billboard material from the first time the fans visited and disrespected
their campus and traditions. Utah fans came in like they were something special
and that they were better than the Trojans. They mocked and insulted. They
took lewd photos with the Trojan man statue. Then the teams got on the field
and USC won the game. No one in the PAC12 respects Utah. No one in
the PAC12 cares that Utah once beat a very good Alabama team. Outside of that
one victory which BYU fans acknowledge as a great one, PAC12 fans would be hard
pressed to name any other marquee victory. Utah hasn't beaten anyone. They
haven't earned anything. They were only invited.
ekute"BYU's big brother is the one that beats you every
year..."29 of the last 50 years (almost 60%), that claim has
been proven wrong.As it will be on September 15th!
little brother,Calm that frantic emotion. lol.9/15 is
Sunday before the game. lol.
"29 of the last 50 years"Why did you stop at 50 years? Tell the
Y's little brother said:"pebblesIt's even
more hilarious to see our little brothers still trying to validate their
fortunate invitation to the PAC. After two full seasons, it's becoming
blatantly obvious that you're in over your heads; U can't even compete
with the middle-of-the-PAC teams, let alone the big boys of the conference.What really speaks volumes is the kids on the hill continuing to use
your record versus BYU as your metric for success.Being a bottom
dweller in a big boy conference is something any team can be - see Northwestern,
Duke, Indiana, Washington State, Colorado, Iowa State, and Vanderbilt, among
many others.Being a perennial Top 25 team is something only
nationally prominent programs can be.While Utah rides the coat tales
and lives in the reflected light of programs that have actually accomplished
something on a national scale, BYU basks in its own light of national
accomplishments."Oh come on. Thought this post looked familiar.
Why cut & paste? Must be running out of original ideas.
Wow, the trolls are out in full force, but hey its the preseason and they own
that yearly. Its remarkable really, BYU fans opinion of themselves is truly one
of the wonders of the World.
Holy War Bowl...Even Years: LESOdd Years: RESDATE: December 25th, 2014-2074.Why not? We would of course need
the NCAA to revoke the >/=.500 record requirement for teams if the futility
of the past several seasons carries on too much longer... It wouldn't count
against season games. It wouldn't count as a bowl.. It would be the same
weight as a conference championship... That doesn't count against a
team's schedule does it? Doesn't eliminate bowl eligibility does it? I
called ya abbott and costello on Facebook yesterday and for good reason.. Chris
and Tom... Talk it over and get it done!
With every utterance by the naive Utah fan base, fans of Notre Dame must sit
there and cringe.... Either cringe or laugh their faces off at such belligerent
crass naivety. It is kind of funny how anyone outside the SEC can consider
themselves a 'power conference' in that they won only 4 (5-9 if USC
hadn't been vacated) of the illustrious BCS championships through the years
of its futile existence. Ute fans, continue to be dazed by the red colored kool
aid you keep drinking and we will continue as BYU fans to be perfectly content
not being in the cellar of a conference... Yes, if we are in a conference, we
prefer to be up at the top no matter how big or small it is... We are not just
happy to be involved with annual beat downs by overwhelmingly better programs
than we our ute selves are! :) A recent forbes ranking of universities/colleges
had byu at 93 and utah at 161... How on earth can rankings like that exist and a
#1 in state and #4 in west exist? Something is extremely fishy with that false
claim to fame.
@Killarney....."Maybe you should try finishing with a better record and
higher ranking then there wouldn't be any doubt. One game doesn't
prove anything."Maybe you should try winning on the field where
they actually play the games. Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and
coaches that only watch their own games doesn't mean anything. Real teams
win on the field where it counts and don't make excuses if they lose!
SoonerUte"Why did you stop at 50 years?"50 years
is adequate enough to prove dominance in the modern era.Cite one
single accomplishment that the Utes had on a national scale before then.
snack, 3 years is good.11 years is better.20 years is
best.98 years tells it all.lol.
2b"Objective opinions by a bunch of writers and coaches that
only watch their own games doesn't mean anything."Then why
do U constantly brag every time the Utes beat a ranked opponent? Why do U
brag about beating four ranked opponents in 2008? And, why do U brag about
finishing in the top 5 in 2004 and 2008?What makes Utah 2004 or 2008
any better than the undefeated Tulane and Marshall teams BYU played in bowl
games?If rankings are meaningless, why do U cite them?When it comes to records and rankings, the inconsistency of the kids on the
hill is laughable.UNLV(2-10) better than Utah(9-4)Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)
I don't know about UNLV and Colorado...I just know that Utah owns byu. lol.
ekute"98 years tells it all."Yes, it tells us
that you don't have the foggiest idea what you're talking about.BYU hasn't played nearly that many seasons, and Utah has played far
more.What really tells it all:AP Top 25 FinishesBYU 17Utah 5National ChampionshipsBYU 1Utah
noneHeisman TrophiesBYU 1Utah noneNational
College Football Hall of Fame PlayersBYU 6Utah noneNational Individual AwardsBYU 15Utah noneBowl GamesBYU 31Utah 17btw, being invited to be a whipping boy for the
big boys of a "power" conference, isn't an accomplishment, its
After reading four pages of comments I am fully convinced that anyone canfind a
statistic that will support virtually any theory. Imagine what could be done if
people would put as much effort into researching things that matter as they put
into trying to prove superiority in the rivalry.
@Marked it down...."When it comes to records and rankings, the inconsistency
of the kids on the hill is laughable.UNLV(2-10) better than
Utah(9-4)Colorado(3-10) better than Utah(8-5)"Please list
the overall head to head with UNLV, please list when the U lost to them 3 times
in a row or 8 of 11, etc.? Yes a win head to head here and there
happens with underdog's. What's laughable however is to think for even
a second that happens 3 years in a row, 8 of 11 years or a landslide of an
Ute fans should check out Phil Steele's College Football Preview.Picked to go 1-9 in Pac 10.2. One victory over the Buffs
A couple of fluke losses is one thing; getting SHUT OUT by 2-10 teams and then
getting embarrassed at home by a 3-10 team that hadn't won a road game in
four years is quite a different thing.Kyle has lost to as many
10-loss teams in the last 6 years as BYU has lost to in it ENTIRE HISTORY.Bronco NEVER lost to ANY MWC bottom dwellers - Wyoming, UNLV, Colorado
State or New Mexico.Kyle lost to ALL of them, and he lost to the
absolute worst PAC 10.2 bottom dweller in his first season.
JustTheTruthManbountiful, utWith every utterance by the naive Utah
fan base, fans of Notre Dame must sit there and cringe.... Either cringe or
laugh their faces off at such belligerent crass naivety. It is kind of funny how
anyone outside the SEC can consider themselves a 'power conference' in
that they won only 4 (5-9 if USC hadn't been vacated) of the illustrious
BCS championships through the years of its futile existence. Ute fans, continue
to be dazed by the red colored kool aid you keep drinking and we will continue
as BYU fans to be perfectly content not being in the cellar of a conference...
Yes, if we are in a conference, we prefer to be up at the top no matter how big
or small it is... ____ND? Every current and former MWC
program is thankful not having to deal with BYU anymore on a conference
basis.Well you are in a conference of sorts in the WCC. Not at the top yet
but keep wishing. There is more to conferences than just football. The SEC is
good but has a long way to go catching up to the PAC 12.
WAC (USU) paddled my Utes"The SEC is good but has a long way to
go catching up to the PAC 12."Said the coat tailing Ute
"fan" of the PAC10.2 LOL
WACpaddled"Well you are in a conference of sorts in the WCC. Not
at the top yet but keep wishing."BYU won the WCC
Commissioner's Cup this year; in fact, the Cougars were the first
institution since 2008 to capture Cup, and Men's and Women's
All-Sports Trophies.On the national scale, BYU, with 505.00 points,
placed 43rd in the final National Association of Collegiate Directors of
Athletics (NACDA) Directors' Cup final standings. The Utes, with 261.25
points, placed 77th, barely ahead of #79 Coastal Carolina, #80 Kent State, and
#81 Columbia.In football, BYU finished 26th and Utah 61st, in
Sagarin.In basketball, BYU made it to the semi-finals of the NIT and
was Top 100 in RPI; Utah barely finished in the Top 200 RPI.In
volleyball, softball, and women's soccer, BYU played in the NC game and
made deep runs in the NCAA tournament. And in rugby, BYU won another national
championship.There is much more to college sports than football.Try to keep up.
What drivel.Utah fans, go enjoy your 1-7 record in the PAC-12.BYU has moved on. I don't waste a minute thinking about Utah.
They're bottom feeders and a puff game for real PAC-12 schools. I
don't care if BYU ever plays Utah again.BYU is a better game
for real PAC-12 teams, and they're hard to beat. Utah is easy to beat.BYU is a national brand. Utah is a single-state brand.To
argue that PAC-12 membership gives Utah some cachet is to argue that Big10
membership gives Iowa some cachet.Just ain't so. Nobody outside
Utah cares. Nobody.