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Why going to college should be cheap

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  • SCfan clearfield, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    Taking just the point of why college should be cheap I contend that it is expensive because the institutions of higher education (run mostly by liberals) are charging excessive amounts of money (tuition) to feather their own nests. If the liberal elite that run most of the education in this country were to care more about education and less about having billions of dollars in endowments on hand, education would be much less expensive than it is. let them gripe about corporate greed, but be silent about education greed.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    Why does one party favor increasing interest on student loans while allowing large banks to barrow at 1% or less?

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 16, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    Some would have us think that equality means that someone pays for your college education. Equality means something very different to me. It means that I have an equal chance as anyone else to achieve whatever dreams I have, IF I work as hard as everyone else in pursuing those dreams.

    There is no reason that anyone has to leave college owing a dime to anyone. You've got four or five years before you even go to college to earn some money. Many of us started with a paper route. We learned to save our money. We soon saw that if we didn't want to depend on a paper route all of our lives, that we needed to learn to do something else.

    Summer jobs, part-time jobs, full-time jobs: there are choices. Learning how to fund life is just as important as learning how to earn money. Every business would like to have unlimited resources. Few businesses make the mistake of spending more than they earn. If only students were that wise.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    Also, in Finland it is possible to go to University for free.
    They don't have a massive military. They would rather have an educated populace.
    SCfan: How is it the liberal's fault? Ignorance is far more expensive.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 16, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    @Ernest T. Bass
    Bountiful, UT

    Why does one party favor increasing interest on student loans while allowing large banks to barrow at 1% or less?

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    Agreed -
    Probably for the same reason that same party constantly guts education in general.

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 16, 2013 5:16 p.m.

    Can state government's invest a lot in community colleges?

  • the old switcharoo mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2013 12:20 a.m.

    3 Nephi 6:12
    And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.

    Thanks, LDS Liberal. That exactly WHY I'm LDS and Liberal as well.

  • cpafred SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    Tuition, like everything else, is governed by supply and demand. You can point fingers all you want, but many private universities are able to charge an arm and leg because people will pay it. All professors' salaries could be lowered to one dollar per year and a school like Harvard would still be able to charge the same amount for tuition because people will pay it to go to Harvard.

    So what do we do? One suggestion that I think makes sense is to reduce humongous number of foreign student visas we issue each year. Just picture if there were several hundred thousand fewer foreign students at our schools. Demand would go down and prices would surely have to follow. When you consider the fact that many countries subsidize (or outright pay) their citizens' schooling costs, even at US schools, our children are at a distinct competitive disadvantage.

  • Baron Scarpia Logan, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:55 a.m.

    If you look at America's economic rise in the 20th century, it was founded on the GI Bill that gave military veterans support for college and state legislatures funding world class public universities. This created the most productive and educated middle class ever seen on earth, creating economic prosperity from the post WWII years through the 1980s.

    During the Reagan years, however, short-term tax relief became more important than long-term public investments into our children and nation's future. The individual became more important than the collective. Ironically, many of the individuals who benefited from the GI Bill and state-funded education where the very ones trying to deny it to future generations.

    Children may be our future -- and their ignorance and lost educational opportunities will be America's future as well.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Re: "All this debt is connected to the fact that the cost of college has risen much faster than the Consumer Price Index and many other indices."

    I know of no one that doesn't believe college should be cheap. But, it should also be noted that the MAIN reason it isn't is because of people like the writer, whose incomes and the costs of unnecessary programs, support personnel, and physical plant have risen at such astronomical, unsustainable rates.

    There's only one way to make education cheaper -- cut costs.

    Anything else is just a fig leaf covering a bloated, out-of-control bureaucracy, manned by pampered, unaccountable bureaucrats, NOT educators.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" and "the old switcharoo" you should realize that it is liberal policies and practices that have caused tuition to go up so much. Just look at some of the most liberal Universities, they are also some of the most expensive. So, applying that scripture to what we see in the university system, lets look at it again.

    The Nephites, as they became more like today's liberals ended up with a highly polarized population, where you had the poor and the rich and little in between. This really tells ma a lot about you and your attitudes.

  • procuradorfiscal Tooele, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    Re: "During the Reagan years, however, short-term tax relief became more important than long-term public investments into our children and nation's future."

    That's simply not true.

    It is true, however, that because of deranged increases in educational wages, programs, physical plant, and services, education simply became too expensive for tax-funded programs to keep up with. So, instead of addressing the real problem -- unsustainable cost increases -- liberals moved the burden onto the backs of students and families, through easy, government-backed student loans.

    The real problem -- unsustainable costs -- has simply never been addressed. And it should be.

    Education should be cheap. But it won't be until "eastern-potentate" appetites of liberal "educators" are controlled and reduced -- at least back to "drunken sailor" levels.

  • Obama10 SYRACUSE, UT
    July 17, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    @cpafred, you are right but the problem is that the Universities want these foreign students because they pay higher tuition. If they can charge double for the foreign student or accept an in-state student, who do you think they will accept? College long ago became more about money than the education of the student. University Presidents are paid on the amount of money they get from donors, not the quality of the education a student receives. I love college sports, but look at the sports budgets. Did the cost of tuition lower because the Utes are now in the PAC-12? No, expenses increased because they have to "keep up with the Jones'". Money first, students second is the mantra of the Universities these days. Makes you wonder if the little piece of paper is even worth it.

  • LDS Liberal Farmington, UT
    July 17, 2013 6:45 p.m.

    3 Nephi 6:12
    And the people began to be distinguished by ranks, according to their riches and their chances for learning; yea, some were ignorant because of their poverty, and others did receive great learning because of their riches.

  • RedShirt USS Enterprise, UT
    July 18, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    To "LDS Liberal" lets look at other scriptures concerning the poor.

    D&C 134:2 "We believe that no government can exist in peace, except such laws are framed and held inviolate as will secure to each individual the free exercise of conscience, the right and control of property, and the protection of life."

    D&C 56:17 "Wo unto you poor men, whose hearts are not broken, whose spirits are not contrite, and whose bellies are not satisfied, and whose hands are not stayed from laying hold upon other men’s goods, whose eyes are full of greediness, and who will not labor with your own hands!"

    But education can be had at a reasonable price. It is just those that want the Harvard education at SLCC prices. Why do you insist on taking money from those that have and using it for your own desires? The scriptures say that is wrong.

  • luv2organize Gainesville, VA
    July 18, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    Or is much of the problem students not working and relying on loans for food, clothes, entertainment, computers, etc.?

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 18, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    The number one way to cut college costs?? Eliminate the pointless classes students have to take that don't pertain to their degree. They can get the same education, more focused on their field, and do it for half the time and half the price. That would be a start.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 20, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    "Why going to college should be cheap"

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    Shoot!! If we're going to talk about what "should be", let's go straight to "FREE"!

    And, while we're on the subject of what should be free, let's include big houses, and fancy cars, and healthcare, and happiness, and, and.....**everything**!!

    Whoohoo!! Yeah! That's the ticket!