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  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    July 15, 2013 7:04 p.m.

    Utah is on BYU's schedule, that will definitely weaken it.

    Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Boise State, Texas, and Utah State should be difficult games.

    Georgia Teach, Virginia, Houston, Nevada, should be wins, but you never know what BYU team will show up.

    Utah, Middle Tenn., Nevada, Idaho State, are definite wins.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    Safe to say I will enjoy your season very much!

  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    July 15, 2013 7:14 p.m.

    *Nevada a definite win

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:29 p.m.

    Think Notre Dame. Their schedule is mined with teams that might destroy them or deliver a big win for the Irish. We can’t know how good a schedule is going to be. Who would have worried about Boise State or Nevada ten years ago?

    I like to see Holmoe book games against storied teams and then let the chips fall. Let's see Syracuse, LSU, Tennessee, Penn, Pitt, Georgia, Arkansas, Wake Forest (I loved the movie "Brian's Song," when I was a kid and Brian Piccolo played at Wake Forest.)...

    ...Washington, UCLA, USC, Nebraska, Oklahoma, Boston College, Texas, Ole Miss, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, Michigan, Texas A&M, Ohio State, West Virginia, Baylor, Auburn, Clemson, Alabama, Oklahoma State, Florida, Academies, Miami...

    ...add Rice, Temple, Rutgers, Tulane, Utah, Utah State... with every game on a network or BYUtv, nobody should complain.

    Think these teams are tough? Four years from now they might be stinking up their conference or some of these teams might win a national championship.
    BYU can beat Oklahoma and lose to San Jose State. Lately we have not been beating good teams. Maybe this year will turn that around.

    Just book and let the games happen.

  • 32843 PROVO, UT
    July 15, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    @ Chris B

    "Safe to say I will enjoy your season very much!"

    No more than the rest of us are going to enjoy the Utes season!

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    "BYU can beat Oklahoma and lose to San Jose State."
    The SJS starting quarterback got to play the whole game...

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    Uh, no brainer that it's BYUs toughest schedule ever. Still plenty of built in wins, but unquestionably their most difficult.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    SoonerUte,

    If we extrapolate the BYU/Oklahoma game in 2009 we see that BYU should have won anyway. Oklahoma's OL wasn't adequately protecting Bradford, and even if continued without injury the game result would have likely been the same.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar

    "If we extrapolate the BYU/Oklahoma game in 2009 we see that BYU should have won anyway. Oklahoma's OL wasn't adequately protecting Bradford, and even if continued without injury the game result would have likely been the same."

    I couldn't agree with you more ... Oklahoma was simply not good in 2009. It was a a big win that we all learned later was simply NOT that big.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    July 15, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    Glad to see that so many agree that past schedules have not been very tough. SEC and Big 10 teams play top 25 teams every year. Glad they have this schedule but they need tough schedules every year or they will continue in mediocre bowl games.

  • FanOfAllUtahTeams nsl, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:40 p.m.

    This 2013 schedule is just about perfect.
    I don't think the Y could handle playing 10 teams in the top 20, but 4 or 5 is good.
    The schedule has a good rhythm with alternating difficulties and strategic byes:
    At #84 (4-8) Virginia (ACC) then vs Big12 #19 (9-4) Texas at home (LES);
    A Bye before the dangerous #59 Utah Rivalry game at home;
    #106 (8-4) Mid.Tenn at home then at rival #21 (11-2) USU;
    At home vs a beatable #38 (7-7) Georgia Tech (ACC);
    At #110 (5-7) Houston (CUSA) then vs #39 (11-2) Boise State at home;
    A needed Bye, then at #20 (8-6) Wisconsin (Big10);
    Vs #235 Id.State, then at #5 (12-1) UND and then at #79 (7-6) Nevada.
    Records and Ranks based on 2012 results and/or Sagarin year end ranking.
    The only gimme is Idaho State - no other game is 'safe'. They can't start soon enough.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 15, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    Riverton Cougar--

    "SoonerUte,

    If we extrapolate the BYU/Oklahoma game in 2009 we see that BYU should have won anyway. Oklahoma's OL wasn't adequately protecting Bradford, and even if continued without injury the game result would have likely been the same."

    Yet, w/out SM, it took a late-game miracle-drive barely win by merely 1 point! OU hovered around .500 all season long and finished the season, unranked! All of this, w/an airport celebration/downtown parade/unranked FSU beatdown at home 2 games later/non-BCS Bowl Game, to boot! Lol

    Silly 2-Star byu and their self-delusion! Lol

    Toughest schedule? Lol....Still significantly weak, barely ranked in the Top-50% of the nation! UTAH's is light-years tougher than this weak-sauce schedule at the #12 ranked SOS, nationally! Lol

    2 bye-weeks preceding UTAH/WISC, MTSU before usu, UH [minus Sims] before bsu and ISU [arguably the worst FCS program in history] before nd! Lol

  • junkgeek Agua Dulce, TX
    July 15, 2013 9:59 p.m.

    Already starting with the excuses, I see...

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    July 15, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Azute1 and all other BYU detractors: all this pounding of the chest about being in the PAC and having a tough schedule is sort of silly. Having a membership to an elite gym and putting 500 pounds on the bar does not make you an elite weightlifter. Lifting that much makes you an elite weightlifter. So much of the Ute commentary seems to be based on pounding their 2 year old chests and boasting about their Hulk pajamas.
    No one hands out cookies for having a tough schedule. You get recognition for winning on your schedule. That stands for anybody. BYU. Utah. USU. ISU. Texas. ND.

  • FanOfAllUtahTeams nsl, UT
    July 15, 2013 10:06 p.m.

    The 2009 Sooners would have won more games had not BYU's Defense (Colby Clawson) taken him out.

    I agree, however, that Oklahoma allowed BYU to get to Bradford and Landry Jones way too many times.

  • JoCo Ute Grants Pass, OR
    July 15, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    D2P. . BYU strength of schedule varies by web site; 42, 47, 49, while Utah's SOS from the same web site is 5, 6, 12. Hey BYU fans they can't all be wrong.

    Instead of dissing BYU for a schedule that's barely Top 50, I wish them luck, except when the play Utah (and Utah State).

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 16, 2013 12:12 a.m.

    "Meanwhile, BYU’s 1984 national championship has been maligned by critics for decades because of its so-called weak schedule that season. The Cougars did upset No. 3 Pitt in the season opener, but the Panthers ended up with a losing season." (3-7-1)

    This quote is not from a Utah fan, it's from one of your own

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 16, 2013 12:15 a.m.

    @Denver2Portland "Utah is on BYU's schedule, that will definitely weaken it."

    An absolutely brilliant post D2P. You do realize that BYU has been owned by Utah. So how do you figure Utah is the soft spot on your schedule? Classic.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    July 16, 2013 12:19 a.m.

    JoCo Ute

    "Hey BYU fans they can't all be wrong."

    Actually, they can.

    A year ago, how many polls were predicting that Utah State and San Jose State would finish in the Top 25, while pre-season national championship contender USC would barely finish above .500?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2013 2:26 a.m.

    @Vladhagen

    No one hands out cookies for having a tough schedule. You get recognition for winning on your schedule. That stands for anybody. BYU. Utah. USU. ISU. Texas. ND.

    ------------

    No, but they do handout BCS bowl games, BCS title games, and now playoff games for having a tough schedule.

    For example...

    * 11-1 USU will most likely get to play in Vegas and has no chance at a BCS bowl.

    * 11-1 BYU will most likely play a 2nd-tier bowl but with a 2013 type schedule does have a shot at a BSC bowl game since 4 BCS teams will be in the playoffs.

    * 11-1 Utah/Texas/ND will most certainly get a BCS bowl and have a chance at a playoff berth.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 16, 2013 7:11 a.m.

    The schedule is just about perfect. Perfection would be replacing Idaho State with an old foe like New Mexico or Hawaii and then flip flopping that game with Utah, so we play Utah in November and an easier opponent in September.

    I'd love to see a schedule like this every year (minus the cupcake).

    Four teams ranked higher than us - Texas, Notre Dame, Wisconsin, Boise State

    Four teams that should be very good games - Utah, Utah State, Virginia, Georgia Tech

    Three games that should be wins - Nevada, Middle Tennesse, Houston

    One cupcake - Idaho State

    @Vladhagen - well said. No use bragging about SOS if U can't make post a winning record and make it to a bowl.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 16, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    U90

    While I agree it was a stupid thing to say, for obvious scoreboard reasons, the technicality is accurate. Utah fans have been telling us for months now that your schedule is one of the toughest in the universe, seemingly in preparation for another losing season. YOUR SOS will not help BYU's SOS if we beat you.

    Of course, if we lose again, nothing will help us.

    Fair enough?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 16, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    Uteology

    "* 11-1 Utah/Texas/ND will most certainly get a BCS bowl and have a chance at a playoff berth."

    Not necessarily. We've seen a 1-loss USC get shut out of the BCS NC game before, so it wouldn't be at all surprising to see a 1-loss Utah team get shut out of a playoff berth. An undefeated SEC team, plus 1-loss Ohio State, Texas, and LSU teams could easily occupy all four playoff berths, leaving the Utes on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 16, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    Very good schedule. Big time challenge = Big time opportunity.

    It's time for both Utah and BYU to punch the Big Boys in the mouth. I certainly hope that is the case.

    GO UTES!

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    @Uteology

    The mere suggestion of an 11-1 Utah?
    As Terry Bradshaw would say....
    "I don't care who you are, that's funna."

  • Barney Google Beaver, UT
    July 16, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    "Will BYU's 2013 schedule be the toughest in school history?"

    Serious?

  • shorts Payson, UT
    July 16, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    @Spokane Ute

    Well said

  • dustman Gallup, NM
    July 16, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    I hope this is the best BYU team ever if this is the toughest schedule ever. ha

    I think we got to see if this is the toughest schedule. So many times the voters will rank teams high, only to see them crumble in the first four weeks of play. Kind of like voters always ranking USC as #1 no matter how bad they are. I mean, USC starts off as #1, loses every game and still can end up in the top 25. ha.

    So we're playing 4-5 ranked teams. Lets see if they're still ranked by mid season.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    "* 11-1 Utah/Texas/ND will most certainly get a BCS bowl and have a chance at a playoff berth."

    First off, before the Utes ever go 11-1 again the BCS will be a distant memory and your 2008 Nutra Sweet Lite Bowl victory will be even further distant.

    Let us know when the Utes ever go 11-1 again - EVER - because we'll all be dodging flying pigs and Chris B will be able to hold a snow cone in Phoenx without it melting

  • JLFuller Boise, ID
    July 16, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    Wow! College football season is just about here again. What I don't understand is why with all the talent the Cougs have they can't beat my alma mater, Boise State? Well sports fans, we Broncos love it anyway. Another notch on the wall for us. Thanks for providing Boise State football with the "W".

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 16, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    Uteology

    "...will most likely play a 2nd-tier bowl...." If not selected for a BCS Bowl (and bowl eligible) BYU will play the Kraft Fight For Hunger Bowl against the PAC 12 #6 on 27 December 2013. That bowl has a $850,000 payout. Significantly less than the 22,000,000 BCS Championship game, and slightly more than the $325,000 Boise Spud Bowl. As another point of reference, the Las Vegas Bowl (MWC #1, PAC 12 #5) pays 1,100,000.

    BYU's strength of schedule (as a point of reference) is similar to those of Penn State, Georgia Tech, Boston College, Iowa, Syracuse, Arizona, Washington.... Certainly not Oklahoma's schedule, but profoundly better than UNLV, Boise State and Air Force.

    Utes have a killer schedule in 2013. I hope they win some big games.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 16, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    AZUTE1 said

    "Yet, w/out SM, it took a late-game miracle-drive barely win by merely 1 point! OU hovered around .500 all season long and finished the season, unranked!"

    Yes Oklahoma finished unranked in the final polls which is rather unusual for them.

    However, finishing unranked for your PAC-thetic Utes is quite normal considering, with the exception of 5 times, they have finished unranked their entire football history.

    LOL is quite appropriate.

  • Papa Smurf UTE Herriman, UT
    July 16, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Vladhagen,

    We are not punding our chests, we no longer need to. The UTES do need to come out and win games though. That is what puts you on the map, and that is what put the UTES on the map in 04 and 08. You are right though, winning games makes you elite. This is something that Byu has yet to do since becoming an Indy WAC school, and it also goes back to the beginning of Bronco's tenure. Since 2009 the Y has only beat 6 or so teams that finished the year .500 or better. 2 of those were vs Utah St, and one against Utah in 09. The Y usually wins the games they are supposed to win, except for San Jose St last year, and loses to the teams that have half way decent talent. The Y cannot compete with team speed. They lack speed on the edge, and in the secondary and cannot keep up. They may keep it close against lesser talented teams with speed, but in the end they lose. See Utah the last 3 years, Oregon St last year, and Texas 2 years ago. That is Byu's fate for now.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 16, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    Papa Smurf UTE,

    "You are right though, winning games makes you elite. This is something that Byu has yet to do since becoming an Indy WAC school"

    Why don't you remind us how many WAC championships Utah won in the 37 years it belonged to the WAC?

    If you said 2 you would be right. Please try and remember that; the rest of us do.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 9:48 a.m.

    The fact that Holmoe & Mendenhall had to settle for an FCS/Big Sky Idaho State on the slate does have a downgrading effect on the 2013 slate.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 16, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @ Denver2Portland

    "Utah is on BYU's schedule, that will definitely weaken it"

    Coming from a BYU fan whose team hasn't beaten Utah since 2009. The Utes have 3 straight, 8 of 11, 56-34-4 domination over your little kitty cats.

    Seriously, you Y fans have no room to talk smack to a team that flat out owns you on the gridiron. Since BYU has a hard time beating Utah, i believe the Utah game strengthens your 2013 schedule.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 16, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    @Uteology
    * 11-1 USU will most likely get to play in Vegas and has no chance at a BCS bowl.
    * 11-1 BYU will most likely play a 2nd-tier bowl but with a 2013 type schedule does have a shot at a BSC bowl game since 4 BCS teams will be in the playoffs.
    * 11-1 Utah/Texas/ND will most certainly get a BCS bowl and have a chance at a playoff berth.

    Do U really believe that an 11-1 Utah team will be ranked among the Top 4 for the playoff? BYU, USU and Utah would need to be undefeated to be in the playoff. I concede U would have a shot at a BCS bowl with 1 loss, but so would BYU with a schedule like this year. There are only a few wildcard spots available. Last year, a 2 loss Stanford, Texas A&M, or Georgia would have beat out a 1 loss BYU or Utah for available BCS slots.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 16, 2013 10:26 a.m.

    7 Wins 5 Losses. That's the way I see it and that is beating Utah,Utah State and Georgia Tech.

    Just like Utah,it's time to put up or shut up BYU and fans.

    Best of luck to all in state schools!

  • HS Sport Dude Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    Still a very weak schedue compared to an SEC team. Real college football (SEC) is on a completely difference level compared to BYU.....always has been. BYU's schedule is much better now than in the 70"s 80's and 90's but still a joke. 1983/84 oh what a schedule that one was.....not a single team finishes in the top 25 that was on their schedule and they somehow get NC votes. Thank goodness for the BCS.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Bluto
    Sandy, UT

    @Uteology

    The mere suggestion of an 11-1 Utah?
    As Terry Bradshaw would say....
    "I don't care who you are, that's funna."

    ----------------

    That comment is from Bradshaw after BYU's game one victory over Oklahoma when they showed a live feed from Provo:

    "PROVO — People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated [on Sep 5, 2009]."

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 16, 2013 11:25 a.m.

    I just can't wait until about the 5th game of the season for some peace and quiet from Utah fans when they realize that SOS and taunting BYU fans won't make their pathetic utes look any better. BYU will be 4-1 while the utesies will be 1-4, their only W against Weber (a 27-24 nail-biter)... Looking forward to calling their travel agent for what is to become their new holiday ritual...a week long Vegas vacation to party and gamble away their CFB post season blues. At least the disproportionately large PAC12 sticker in the window gives them some measure of joy...until it is smashed by BYU and USU fans passing by, laughing and pointing at their PAC12 thermos in hand, and Utah Man Sir sweater vest. Out comes a derisive finger and blue-faced retort "we have 4 star athletes and a tier 1 research school!"...bringing only more laughter from the jubilant Cougars & Aggies.

    Yes, these are traditions I'm looking forward to in the coming years...can't wait til Aug 29th!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 16, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    To HS Sport Dude:

    The SEC is the toughest conference in college football... but hasn't always been. Considering that BYU is scheduling the toughest teams willing to play them, it's a statement of ignorance to say that their schedule is "a joke".

    Something you apparently fail to realize... all college football schedules are mostly made years in advance... often 5 or 6 years. Teams that are ranked when scheduled sometimes are rebuilding when the games are played years later. BYU or anyone else can't be blamed when that happens. It's totally unpredictable and uncontrollable. For you to criticize the 84 team for being a victim of that is shortsighted. When many of those games were scheduled in 78 and 79, that looked to be a tougher schedule.

    Look at Utah. When they were fortunate enough to join the PAC-10 (now 12), it was because most people thought they were a good program and competitive. Maybe they were. But now they compete for the conference cellar each year and can't even qualify for a bowl game. They can't even beat USU anymore. The only thing left to brag about are a few close games with BYU. Sad.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    @JL Fuller,

    Way to bring the Boise St smack. You are correct sir, Boise St is 17-0 against Utah schools since 1997. There is no question that BSU has dominated the Utah schools.

    The problem is, how big of an accomplishment is that really? Boise St fans clamor endlessly for national respect, but year in and year out the Bronco's schedule features at most one (1) competetive out-of-conference game, and that is it. Beating Utah schools isn't doing a thing to raise your profile as a program, and your over-rated BCS wins over TCU and Oklahoma are fading fast into history. Boise State's schedule this year is perhaps its worst ever. They have Washington (only an average BCS program), and 11 patsies.

    There is irony that you posted on a Utah newspaper comment board, a place where Utah and BYU fans constantly misjudge the success and profile of their programs. Guess we'd better add Boise St fans to that list.

    Tell me again why anyone outside of Utah (or Idaho) should fear Boise St?

  • Spider Rico Greeley, CO
    July 16, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    @Hs Sport Dude - how can you call this schedule a joke? Saying that is a joke. It'a a great schedule. The SEC is a great conference right now, and many of its teams are on a "difference" level than BYU, Utah, and most of the country. Most of us are not so delusional to think BYU is going to compete for a national championship this year, but there is absolutely nothing wrong with being hopeful and supporting your team. Debbie Downers like you are the real jokers. As is whoever came up with this "Indy WACer" moniker - BYU and Utah both came from the WAC and BYU isn't playing any WAC teams last time I checked. Good luck to BYU this season - it'll be fun for us fans. Good luck to Utah and Utah State as well.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 16, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    MacNasty--

    "AZUTE1 said

    'Yet, w/out SM, it took a late-game miracle-drive barely win by merely 1 point! OU hovered around .500 all season long and finished the season, unranked!'

    Yes Oklahoma finished unranked in the final polls which is rather unusual for them."

    My point was something entirely otherwise, which the remainder of my statement clearly articulated. This had everything to do with OU being vastly overrated ['84 PITT, anybody?] and 2-Star byu's utterly hysterical overreaction to their miraculous last second 1 point win against a SB-less OU--

    "All of this, w/an airport celebration/downtown parade/unranked FSU beatdown at home 2 games later/non-BCS Bowl Game, to boot! Lol"

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 12:13 p.m.

    P.S. Chris Peterson is every bit as good a coach as Kyle Whittingham (many would argue that he's easily better). He certainly has a better winning percentage, SOS notwithstanding (and that's even if you don't count the 2 years Kyle has flopped in the PAC). And he's never kicked an onsides kick in the 4th quarter with a 40 point lead either. So it appears he has more integrity as well.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    I'm just yankin' yer chain. Utah getting in the PAC10+2 is the most significant event that's happened since the discovery of cold fusion on the hill.

    That make ya feel better?

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    July 16, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    @Papa Smurf UTE

    I would think the big sign after point of the mountain that says welcome to pack 12 country is pounding your chest. When you brag more about your team that's one thing. But when you can only talk about how awesome your new conference is, that is beating your chest.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 16, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    @uteology

    "* 11-1 USU will most likely get to play in Vegas and has no chance at a BCS bowl.

    * 11-1 BYU will most likely play a 2nd-tier bowl but with a 2013 type schedule does have a shot at a BSC bowl game since 4 BCS teams will be in the playoffs.

    * 11-1 Utah/Texas/ND will most certainly get a BCS bowl and have a chance at a playoff berth."

    ***********

    The thing to remember is that a Utah 11-1 team is about as likely as a cow jumping over the moon and a dish running away with the spoon, its just a silly fairy tale.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 16, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    I got your point. I hope you and the rest of the Ute trolls get mine. LOL

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 16, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    FatMan86:
    "Boise State's schedule this year is perhaps its worst ever. They have Washington (only an average BCS program), and 11 patsies".

    Delusional Bronco fans might consider BYU a patsy but I gaurantee Chris P and the Broncos don't. Especially after needing a bad throw on a 2 pt conversion, and a missed FG in their two previous meetings (in their house) to beat the Cougars. Trust me when I say, BYU will be the toughest opponent on Boises schedule. This time when the broncos come to Provo there will be no Gary Crowton, and two All Americans that weren't there last time to greet them. The Broncos will not be leaving Provo with a smile on their face this year. Good luck to them in the MWC, but BYU and probably Washington will be losses on their record.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    8 of 11 should give you an idea what kind of tradition BYU fans should look forward to in the coming years. That is, when we decide to play you.

    As far as Aggies, their best team in 40 years beat a horrible Utah team in OT at home.

    So we're not worried about competing against BYU and USU, it's PAC-12 talent that we have a problem with.

    @nhatch82

    Speaking of silly fairy tales, didn't you print 50,000 t-shirts and called it a "Quest".

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 16, 2013 1:47 p.m.

    MacNasty

    "AZUTE1

    I got your point. I hope you and the rest of the Ute trolls get mine. LOL"

    LOL....I failed to see your point! Please explain it to me! LOL

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 16, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Uteology

    "So we're not worried about competing against BYU and USU..."

    You're obviously also not worried about ever being ranked again, something BYU and USU have both been able to accomplish the last couple of years, but something that now appears to be impossibly beyond the reach of that bottom dwelling program on the hill.

  • nhatch82 Eagle Mountain, UT
    July 16, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    @uteology

    Not all fairy-tales come true this is the truth, however A 2008 team with a 10-2 record was much closer to 12-0, than your 2013 11-1 dream which will actually look a bit more like 4-8. You should go read and comment on some ute articles so guys can comment on your fantasy world where you have some legitimacy in the Pac 10.5.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Uteology:

    I've tried a couple of times to explain and clarify the opposite directions of where the football programs at Utah and BYU are headed. I know it would be hard for you to accept while operating in your red sky world. But apparently the reality seems a bit harsh for the DN screeners to print as well, since they haven't. But that doesn't change the reality of it. Must be your lucky day. However, September 21st will not be.

  • JD Las Vegas, NV
    July 16, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    While it is an improved schedule, there is still some bye's before big games which gives more time to prepare, which gives an advantage. Texas should not be ranked and we all know it, Boise is not a BCS team or even remotely up to the standard they set a few seasons ago, Georgia Tech is a bottom feeder of the ACC, as is Virginia. Houston is in rebuild mode without an experienced quarterback, and Wisconsin is implementing everything new which may or may not work. Last year Notre Dame played their "B" team offense and let the "A" team rest against Provo. Brag when you play 10 to 11 BCS teams a season, until then, it doesn't compare to anything the Big 5 conferences deal with year in and out.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:38 p.m.

    The poster who said the Utes "earned" an invite to the PAC12 based on play needs to explain how Colorado earned its invite. Neither invite was earned. The invites happened because Texas/Oklahoma did not bite when approached, and the TV markets were big enough to increase revenue shares to offset losses by adding teams.

    If the PAC12 wanted programs of high football quality, than Boise State or Air Force would have been considered over Utah because each of those teams has demonstrated that they can consistently win, and have name recognition.

    When will Colorado earn its invite? I don't think they will ever show they have earned it. The only way Colorado can show it has earned it will be winning the big games in the league and contending several years in a row for the division. The same is true for the Utes.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs,

    Those are strong words about a school that you are 0-for against. I think Boise St will have the BYU game circled. Since they won't break a sweat on anything else on the schedule (except maybe the Washington opener), I would actually predict a big Bronco rout of BYU. I think they'll come in with their hair on fire. Fans will drive from Boise to Provo in droves, dressed in orange and blue head to toe, and will make a ton of noise. They're pretty obsessive about their Bronco's up there.

    And yet beating BYU won't do a thing for Boise State's chances at a BCS bid. They will still be an over-rated Mid Major who hasn't played anyone.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 16, 2013 5:00 p.m.

    FatMan86--

    "@Cougsndawgs,

    Those are strong words about a school that you are 0-for against. I think Boise St will have the BYU game circled. Since they won't break a sweat on anything else on the schedule (except maybe the Washington opener), I would actually predict a big Bronco rout of BYU. I think they'll come in with their hair on fire. Fans will drive from Boise to Provo in droves, dressed in orange and blue head to toe, and will make a ton of noise. They're pretty obsessive about their Bronco's up there."

    Just out of curiosity, I believe I heard long ago that bsu had actually visited provo once previously for a game against 2-Star byu. Can anybody enlighten me as to how it turned-out? Final score? Break-down of how it actually played-out? Was it a regular knock-down, drag 'em out brawl type of a game? A genuine thriller? Anybody?

    Thanks in advance!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 16, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs
    West Point , UT
    I just can't wait until about the 5th game of the season for some peace and quiet from Utah fans when they realize that SOS and taunting BYU fans won't make their pathetic utes look any better.
    At least the disproportionately large PAC12 sticker in the window gives them some measure of joy...until it is smashed by BYU and USU fans passing by, laughing and pointing at their PAC12 thermos in hand, and Utah Man Sir sweater vest. Out comes a derisive finger and blue-faced retort "we have 4 star athletes and a tier 1 research school!"...bringing only more laughter from the jubilant Cougars & Aggies.

    Yes, these are traditions I'm looking forward to in the coming years...can't wait til Aug 29th!

    _________

    Yep traditions. You forgot some.

    BYU has a crummy record against ranked teams.
    BYU schedules 50-1, 4-2, & 2-1 games.
    A tradition of losing to Utah.
    The college sports world revolves around Provo.

    ESPN market share is down 32%.
    ESPN2 market share is down 12%.
    Hope that contract works out for you. Otherwise it will be a temporary tradition.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 16, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    Steven S Jarvis
    Orem, UT
    The poster who said the Utes "earned" an invite to the PAC12 based on play needs to explain how Colorado earned its invite. Neither invite was earned. The invites happened because Texas/Oklahoma did not bite when approached, and the TV markets were big enough to increase revenue shares to offset losses by adding teams.

    If the PAC12 wanted programs of high football quality, than Boise State or Air Force would have been considered over Utah because each of those teams has demonstrated that they can consistently win, and have name recognition.

    _____

    Sigh.
    Boise St is a small market and lacks academics. Air Force would not be a good fit.
    Texas wanted to keep its TV network revenue (Texas Jr.= BYU)
    Joining the PAC 12 is not all about sports, its research institutions and the billions of $$$ in grants that Utah & Colorado now have access to.

    Unfortunately for BYU, they have not "earned" an official invite to a real conference in 40+ years.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 16, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    @ Tators

    Let me help. Yes, one team is in a BCS conference, with a world of bowl options and opportunities ahead of them, a huge TV contract with home and home games scheduled against some of the best teams in the country. One team is stuck wandering the college football land scape, scheduling Big time schools 2 (road) for 1 (home) games, and hopelessly stuck in the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl. No need to thank me for helping out; no problem at all.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Steven Jarvis

    "than Boise State or Air Force would have been considered over Utah because each of those teams has demonstrated that they can consistently win, and have name recognition."

    Since 1999 (the start of the MWC) AFA has 96 wins, a 3-4 mark in bowl games, and zero conf. titles

    In the same time frame Utah has 118 wins, won 10 of 11 bowl games (2 BCS), and four conf. titles.... if AFA consistently wins, then what does it say about Utah?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 16, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Tators--

    "Must be your lucky day. However, September 21st will not be."

    We Utes saw this same, identical "forecast of impending-doom" for Utah on the football field preceding the last 2 games played between the two, yet how did they both turn-out?

    Regarding the certain to come "2-Star byu blow-out of Utah" predictions pre-game 2013 out of provo, please remind us all of what the final-margin has been during this century on the extremely rare occasion they've even managed to beat us?

    Personally, I talk about what's actually occurred to date and what the trend indicates will most likely happen in 2013 and beyond, yet you don't ever see me guaranteeing anything.

    However, just this last year pre-game, I witnessed final-margin predictions by their fans of a 2-Star byu win against Utah grow exponentially as the start of the game approached, including some even talking among themselves about how many more wins it'd require, until 2-Star byu entered into the top-10 of the polls, as if winning against Utah were a foregone-conclusion. Utterly mystifying.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 16, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    @Marked it Down
    An undefeated SEC team, plus 1-loss Ohio State, Texas, and LSU teams could easily occupy all four playoff berths, leaving the Utes on the outside looking in at the playoffs.

    ---------------

    Yes. And an undefeated SEC Auburn team was left out the NC game in 2004.

    What is your point? That is why I said Utah or any other PAC-12/BCS one-loss team will get a BCS bowl and have a "chance" at a playoff berth. I never said it was a guarantee.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    July 16, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "BYU has a crummy record against ranked teams."

    Utah has an even crummier record against ranked teams.

    Lifetime records against ranked teams:

    AP/Coaches
    BYU: 15-55(21%), 16-66(20%)
    Utah: 14-72(16%), 15-76(16%)

    MUCH more important is ranked finishes

    AP: BYU 17, Utah 5
    Coaches: BYU 18, Utah 7

    Even more telling is this:

    Ranked in AP Poll:
    BYU: 11 Times (Preseason), 17 Times (Final), 236 Weeks (Total)
    Utah: 2 Times (Preseason), 5 Times (Final), 77 Weeks (Total)

    Bottom line: Utah wasn't invited to the PAC because of the supposed "excellence" of anything to do with Utah's football program.

    At Utah's current rate, it could take the Utes a couple more CENTURIES just to match the number of AP Top 25 finishes BYU has already achieved.

    AP/Coaches Top 25 Finishes
    Bronco: 4/5
    Kyle: 2/3

    Wins over teams with Winning Records
    Bronco: 25
    Kyle: 25

    Losses to teams with Losing Records
    Bronco: 4
    Kyle: 6

    Loss to 10-loss teams
    Bronco: 0
    Kyle: 2

  • scott Alpine, UT
    July 16, 2013 6:32 p.m.

    twofer

    10 of 11 in bowls sounds impressive, until you examine the record a little closer to discover that only 4 of Utah's 11 bowl teams (36%) were good enough to be ranked in the final AP poll.

    One mediocre team beating up on an even more mediocre team in a bowl doesn't prove anything.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 16, 2013 7:01 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Utah or any other PAC-12/BCS one-loss team will get a BCS bowl and have a "chance" at a playoff berth."

    That's a nice crimson-colored pipe dream for a team that only won SIX WAC/MWC championships in the last 50 years and has only managed to finish in the AP Top 25 FIVE times in their entire history.

    Except for 2004 and 2008, the number of Utah teams that have won 11+ games in a season, which is what U would have to do to finish with only one loss: ZERO

    11+ win seasons during the Bronco/Kyle era:

    Bronco - 3
    Kyle - 1

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 16, 2013 8:55 p.m.

    Really? We're talking about a 46th ranked SOS....

    Pretty sad the Dnews finds the need to trumpet a very average schedule.

    What will they do in 2014 when the SOS will most likely be 90-100?

    On the other hand...Utah 5th ranked SOS might actually be STRONGER next year with the kick drop bYu and the upgrade of UofM

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    July 16, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    hedgehog

    There's no reward for SOS unless U WIN.

    Unfortunately for U, SOS has become nothing but a whiny excuse for LOSING.

    The records and final Sagarin rankings say it all:

    BYU(10-3) 2011 #90 SOS, #34 Ranking (#25 Coaches, #26 AP)
    Utah(8-5) 2011 #49 SOS, #39 Ranking (not a single vote in either poll)

    BYU(8-5) 2012 #63 SOS, #26 Ranking
    Utah(5-7) 2012 #41 SOS, #61 Ranking

    The most important thing for U to worry about in 2014 is how the Utes will do after they kick drop Whittingham for finishing 3-9 in 2013.

  • Steven S Jarvis Orem, UT
    July 16, 2013 10:54 p.m.

    It would be hard to beat the cougars 2004 schedule, the one where they lost to three teams that went undefeated that year. If I recall the SOS at the end of the year was top in the nation.

    This schedule is definitely going to be a challenge. The Cougars will do just fine this year.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 16, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    @ SportsFan

    "There's no reward for SOS unless U WIN"

    "Unfortunately for U, SOS has become nothing but a whiny excuse for LOSING"

    There's no reward for top 25 finishes either; Unless of course your ranking is high enough to qualify for BCS bowls. Which is something BYU has failed to do.

    Unfortunately for the Y, top 25 finishes have become nothing but excuses for losing to Utah and every year.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 17, 2013 12:27 a.m.

    FatMan86:
    "Those are strong words about a school that you are 0-for against...I would actually predict a big Bronco rout of BYU".

    As I said, Bronco fans can predict whatever they want, but the actual team and CP know they got out of there with 2 victories in the last 2 games that very easy could have, and probably should have gone the other way. Your prediction hardly reflects the recent trends of these two teams...the Broncos lose away from the blue, take that to the bank.

    AZUTE:
    "Just out of curiosity, I believe I heard long ago that bsu had actually visited provo once previously for a game against 2-Star byu. Can anybody enlighten me as to how it turned-out?"

    Throwing stones in a glass house again, AZUTE? Tell us, what happened last time BSU played in SLC for a game against cellar dweller Utah? Final score? Details? As a matter of fact, while you're at it, fill us all in on just how tough Utah has been against BSU this century. Have you even sniffed victory, even close? Lol

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 17, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    @ scott

    If what you say is true than BYU hasn't had a meaningful bowl win since 1996...

    @ Jarvis

    BYU did have a very strong schedule, but it was not the top in the nation. BYU's SOS was 11th.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    According to Phil Steele's most recent evaluation of most difficult schedules for the upcoming season, Utah's schedule is the 12th hardest schedule in the country, and BYU's is 49th.

    So why are we hearing all about how difficult and challenging BYU's schedule is? Where are all of the articles on the difficulty of Utah's schedule?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    @ Elmer Fudd:

    You lost all credibility when you said that Utah beats the Y every year. The U beat 3 times in a row. Wow. 2 of those games went to the last play of the game. Last year the Y had more first downs, more time of possession and more offensive yardage. The U simply got lucky in the turnover department. The key word there being lucky... since they actually lost the game statistically. Before the last 3 games, BYU beat the utes 3 of the previous 4 games. So there hasn't been any real domination in a while.

    Real domination is when the Y beat the Utes 19 of 21 games under LaVell Edwards. That's right. There was a stretch of 21 years when the U won only 2 games. That was real domination.
    For you to say the U beats every year is just plain silly. Either you are a very young kid or the red in your sky is not allowing you to remember reality as it really is. Save some room to remember September 21st... though I promise you won't want to.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:32 a.m.

    @ GoRed:

    No one cares how difficult a team's schedule is if they've proven themselves incapable of winning any of those difficult games. When a team competes for the cellar of their conference every year and can't even qualify for the Has-Been bowl, then talking about their SOS is nothing but an excuse for losing. That's what most of the Ute fans have fallen victim to on these posts. Go back and read them. It's really quite sad.

    The once great Utes have fallen on hard times and some of their fans can't accept the reality of it. They lost to USU last year and barely beat the Y after the game went down to the last play of the game... giving the Utes their very last talking point.

    Go back and read Scott's statistics about how many times the Utes and the Y have been ranked in pre-season and post-season polls, and how each school has fared against teams with winning records. Any comment to that? Oh, and the Utes won the WAC championship only twice in 37 years. So what can anyone expect of them in the PAC??

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    Elmer Fudd

    "There's no reward for top 25 finishes either"

    Actually, the recognition received from finishing in the Top 25 IS the reward.

    Lots of undeserving teams have "qualified" for "bcs bowls".

    -----------

    2fer

    "If what you say is true than BYU hasn't had a meaningful bowl win since 1996..."

    What part of being "good enough to be ranked in the final AP poll" did you not understand?

    Since 1996, BYU has had FIVE bowl teams that were good enough to be ranked in the final AP poll, which, btw, is as many AP Top 25 finishes as the Utes have had in their ENTIRE HISTORY.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 17, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Cougie fans really crack me up it's like groundhog's day same thing every year with cougie fans.

    February - August...We are going to be the greatest team in college football history this year. We have all americans, 50 future NFL players and the best coaches on earth. We are going to dominate Utah and Boise St. will be on a quest for perfection this year and no doubt will be undefeated because we are so Awesome.

    September- It's the ref's and coaches fault we lost to Texas and Utah. That one game doesn't mean anything. Utah just wanted the game more thats why they won. If we didn't turn the ball over 5 times we would have won the game for sure we just gave it to them.

    End of October- Yes 4 wins in a row over Middle Tenn, utah st, houston and georgia tech were so Awesome. It's a good thing for Utah and Texas they didnt play us later in year we would dominate them.

    LOL never changes cougies are best team on earth except on game days against good teams.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    2b

    Utey fans are like groundhog's day, the same thing every year.

    February - August: We're loaded with the greatest recruits in the history of mankind.

    September: Conference championship hopes dashed, but we're in a "bcs" conference.

    End of October: We never cared about being ranked or playing in a bowl game anyway, but we're still in a "bcs" conference.

    December: Home for the Holidays watching BYU play in another bowl in San Diego, just like our WAC days.

    LOL!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    I see none of my questions posed on this thread yesterday were answered. How unfair!

    I'll re-state them right here--

    "We Utes saw this same, identical 'forecast of impending-doom' for Utah on the football field preceding the last 2 games played between the two, yet how did they both turn-out?

    Regarding the certain to come '2-Star byu blow-out of Utah' predictions pre-game 2013 out of provo, please remind us all of what the final-margin has been during this century on the extremely rare occasion they've even managed to beat us?"

    "Just out of curiosity, I believe I heard long ago that bsu had actually visited provo once previously for a game against 2-Star byu. Can anybody enlighten me as to how it turned-out? Final score? Break-down of how it actually played-out? Was it a regular knock-down, drag 'em out brawl type of a game? A genuine thriller? Anybody?"

    Thanks in advance!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    @scott

    One mediocre team beating up on an even more mediocre team in a bowl doesn't prove anything.

    ----------

    Please stop!

    During the BCS era:

    36% of Utah's bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
    55% in the AP top 30

    27% of BYU's bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25
    36% in the AP top 30 (55% in top 35)

    The difference, Utah went 10-1 (91%) and BYU 6-5 (55%).

    According to BYU fans on these boards 6-5 is impressive and now you want to define 10-1 as mediocre?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 10:53 a.m.

    @Y's little brother

    * CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27.

    * And here's another independent viewpoint:

    “BYU’s history from the Cotton Bowl victory forward has been very pedestrian; no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly no BCS Bowl game wins. The fact is this BYU’s football program has been just speed bump albeit higher than let’s say SDSU or UNLV in the road for the real power programs in the MWC; TCU and Utah. BYU at this point is New Mexico with better DVD history in terms of football success in this decade. Heck at this point WAC member, Hawaii has a better BCS bowl resume than BYU”

    --- Source: BYU is sealing itself for a BCS Bowl

    Ohhh smack!

    P.S. Please let the author know that BYU is a perennial top 25, legacy program, with a national brand and make sure to list out all the individual awards from Edawards/Chow era.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Y's little brother--

    "AZUTE1

    Largest margin of victory in the history of the rivalry: BYU 56-6"

    I'm so utterly confused, as neither this above nor the remainder of your comment answers any of my questions! Please directly answer my specific questions!

    Thanks so much in advance!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Uteology--

    "@Y's little brother

    * CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27.

    * And here's another independent viewpoint:

    “BYU’s history from the Cotton Bowl victory forward has been very pedestrian; no undefeated seasons, no BCS bowl games and most importantly no BCS Bowl game wins. The fact is this BYU’s football program has been just speed bump albeit higher than let’s say SDSU or UNLV in the road for the real power programs in the MWC; TCU and Utah. BYU at this point is New Mexico with better DVD history in terms of football success in this decade. Heck at this point WAC member, Hawaii has a better BCS bowl resume than BYU”

    --- Source: BYU is sealing itself for a BCS Bowl

    Ohhh smack!

    P.S. Please let the author know that BYU is a perennial top 25, legacy program, with a national brand and make sure to list out all the individual awards from Edwards/Chow era."

    Hysterical! Yet, my specific questions continue to go unanswered! Perhaps, you could step-in and answer them for our brethren down there in provo, instead?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    @Uteology "CBS Sports ranked Utah #10 team last decade, BYU #27"

    And ESPN ranked BYU #25 in most prestigious College Football Programs of all-time. Utah checked in at #44.

    No argument from me that Utah had a better decade than BYU. There should also be no argument for U that Utah is a small-time program that is still looking up to BYU, a fact made all the more apparent by Ute "fans" who come onto BYU boards and use beating BYU as your metric of success.

    While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

    As for your other source...LOL! CollegeFootballCafeteria? A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU (I loved this line: " There are many programs that will not play the Cougars, there are programs that do not want to put their 18, 19 and 20 year olds against the 21, 22, 23 and 24 year-olds that dot the BYU roster, the term men vs. boys applies here." Classic!)

    Why don't U put all of your comments from D News comment boards in a blog and use that next time as your "source"? It'd be just as credible, lol!

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    @AZUTE1

    I have no problem answering your questions:

    1. The last two games against Utah turned out to be BYU losses.
    2. The final margin of victory in BYU wins over Utah this century has been by a TD or less.
    3. BSU blew out BYU to the tune of 50-12

    Here are a couple questions of my own:
    1. What bowl game did Utah go to last year?
    2. What two programs in the PAC 12 finished 9th or worse in football, basketball, AND baseball last season? I'll give U a hint: one was WSU.
    3. What happened the last time BSU came to Rice-Eccles and played Utah? What was the final score again?
    4. Since U obviously think BYU is a worthless program, Y do U constantly compare Utah to BYU and use beating BYU as your metric of success?

    Just curious.

    Go Cougars!

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 17, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    @Y's little brother

    Pretty funny stuff you act like Utah missing a bowl game one year is an every year thing. Since the BCS started utah and byu have been to the exact same amount of bowls. Only diffrence Utah 10 - 1 and the cougies 6 - 5 and thats with Utah's bowl games being more difficlut with two of them BCS games. I'm sure the cougie's only lost because of the refs, turnovers or becasue the other team wanted it more though....lol

    As far as the rest of your post you didn't fool anybody. Everybody knows which fan base was out in droves in quest for perfection like Utah did twice already T'shirts....LOL

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 17, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    truecoug1--

    "@AZUTE1

    I have no problem answering your questions:

    1. The last two games against Utah turned out to be BYU losses.
    2. The final margin of victory in BYU wins over Utah this century has been by a TD or less."

    And pertinent to '13, since bsu is visiting provo, yet again, truecoug1--

    "3. BSU blew out BYU to the tune of 50-12"

    Bingo! Thanks so very, very much!

    p.s. As a general rule, I don't ever answer 100% Spin-based/Irrelevant questions! But thanks anyway for thinking of me! LOL

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    @AZUTE1 "p.s. As a general rule, I don't ever answer 100% Spin-based/Irrelevant questions!"

    No, U just ask them, lol!

    And no worries, I never expected U to answer the questions. I would've been shocked if U had, to be honest, it would have been totally out of character.

    Thanks for proving the hypocrite as always, AZUTE! U never cease to disappoint :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    July 17, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    2b

    Pretty funny stuff. You pretend that Utah played the same level of competition in Utah's 10 of 11 bowl game wins. The truth is, most of Utah's wins were so unimpressive that the pollsters didn't even notice them.

    Final rankings are the final word on each season and by that measure the Utes who have only managed FIVE AP Top 25 finishes, EVER, haven't impressed anybody except themselves.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 17, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    @ Tators

    "You lost all credibility when you said that Utah beats the Y every year"

    So what's your point? You said in an earlier comment on July 16th at 11:38 a.m. "They can't even beat USU anymore". My comment was clearly exaggerated and so is your comment that I quoted. You're being hypocritical in claiming I've lost all credibility when you did the exact same thing. Because of hypocrisy, you've lost your credibility!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    And ESPN ranked BYU #25 in most prestigious College Football Programs of all-time. Utah checked in at #44.

    --------------

    Because of Edwards/Chow era. They also ranked Colorado Buffaloes #22. You know the "bottom feeder" of the PAC-12.

    And here's what they say:

    Positives: Slowly climbing the Prestige Rankings for the better part of the century, the Cougars have never been placed on NCAA probation. Slow and steady have been key attributes for a program with just three losing seasons since 1974.

    Negatives: BYU has never had a "major" bowl win by our standards. When the Cougars won the national title in 1984, it came after a Holiday Bowl win.

    What did you do in the BCS era, besides being a speed bump to Utah and TCU.

    Utah might be a small time program but we are playing in a big boy conference with one big boy (#12 SOS). While the legacy program down south, well...

    "BYU might want to crawl before it walks so here is what they may want to concentrate on doing first, how about beating or staying within two scores of TCU, but I digress."

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    @Uteology "Because of Edwards/Chow era. They also ranked Colorado Buffaloes #22. You know the "bottom feeder" of the PAC-12."

    Yep, and they also have such powerhouses as Duke and Minnesota ranked higher than the Utes.

    Which only proves my point. A legacy program is built over decades of success, not just a flash-in-the-pan four year stretch of two BCS wins.

    Look, what Utah accomplished in 2004 and 2008 was great. But that's all that Utah has. BYU's legacy and history far outweighs anything that Utah has done. It's a similar situation in basketball. While BYU's basketball efforts this past decade are impressive, Utah's overall basketball resume far outweighs what the Cougars have done (although Utah basketball has been really bad the last few years, while BYU football has still maintained a high level of success).

    The fact that Ute fans keep coming on to BYU boards and keep using beating BYU as their metric of success is an indicator of how small-time Utah is.

    That, and the fact that Utah and Wazzu were the only two programs in the PAC last year to finish 9th or worse in football, basketball, AND baseball.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    As for your other source...LOL! CollegeFootballCafeteria? A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU... Why don't U put all of your comments from D News comment boards in a blog and use that next time as your "source"? It'd be just as credible, lol

    -------------

    I said it was an "independent view point", I never claimed it was a sports article thus I cited the source.

    There is a difference between a article, blog post, and comments. Sorry to burst your bubble but this wasn't just an anonymous comment. The author of this blog post was listed in the article.

    I have no idea what his credentials are or the blog's credentials, but since your calling him and the blog out why don't you do some research and find out.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 2:25 p.m.

    @true
    There should also be no argument for U that Utah is a small-time program that is still looking up to BYU, a fact made all the more apparent by Ute "fans" who come onto BYU boards and use beating BYU as your metric of success.

    While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

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    Nope.

    Cute is coming on Ute articles and pounding your chest about TCU, Boise, and now Colorado State.

    Pathetic is telling everyone your a legacy program and then you dance in the streets, hug perfect strangers, lit off fireworks" for a 1-0 "Quest".

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 17, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    LOL!!!

    Hey scott, you just proved the point WACPaddingOurSchedule was making.
    BYUs accomplishments have meant nothing to real conferences. Otherwise you would be in one by now. Can that change? Perhaps.

    WAC Legacy = fluff. pomp, and fanfare. Nothing else.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 17, 2013 2:48 p.m.

    Tators
    Hyrum, UT said:

    "@ GoRed:

    No one cares how difficult a team's schedule is if they've proven themselves incapable of winning any of those difficult games. When a team competes for the cellar of their conference every year and can't even qualify for the Has-Been bowl, then talking about their SOS is nothing but an excuse for losing. That's what most of the Ute fans have fallen victim to on these posts. Go back and read them. It's really quite sad."

    I completely agree. BYU has repeatedly proven themselves incapable of winning difficult games, yet they keep scheduling 2-1 with them. Nobody cares because BYU is irrelevant riding the coat tails of ND as an indie. That's what most of the BYU fans have fallen victim to on these posts. Go back and read them. It's really quite sad.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    @true
    While that's cute, it's also kind of pathetic.

    As for your other source...LOL! A blog by a writer who is obviously very anti-BYU.

    -----------

    I said it was a "independent viewpoint" thus I provided the source. I have no idea the credibility of the author, do you by reading ONE post?

    He has other posts on the blog. Feel free to call him out on that blog if you disagree with him, like some BYU fans have while some have agreed with him.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Bottom Line Metric of Success

    There are two iconic trophies representing the epitome of individual and team major college football success:

    the Heisman Trophy and the Crystal Football National Championship Trophy

    Both trophies rest proudly in BYU's Sports Hall of Fame.

    ---------------

    It's laughable that Utah fans would belittle BYU fans for celebrating a win over 3rd ranked Oklahoma, especially after Utah fans threw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd and 4th earlier that same year.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 3:10 p.m.

    upinthenight

    Unlike Utah, BYU has actually beaten big name teams like Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Penn St, and Miami.

    The only that's changed for Utah since joining the PAC, is now the Utes are riding USC's coat tails instead of BYU's.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    Yep, and they also have such powerhouses as Duke and Minnesota ranked higher than the Utes.

    Which only proves my point. A legacy program is built over decades of success, not just a flash-in-the-pan four year stretch of two BCS wins.

    -------------

    What's your point that BYU is as irrelevant as Duke, Minnesota, and Colorado in the BCS era? If so then I agree with you. If your claiming to be a legacy program today then I disagree.

    Here's why, other prestigious rankings:

    #25 BYU
    #27 Pittsburgh
    #31 TCU
    #34 Wisconsin
    #38 Duke
    #39 Army
    #43 Utah
    #45 Stanford

    So not only is #25 BYU is a legacy "speed bump" for Utah but the other legacy "speed bump" we OWN is #27 Pitt.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 4:07 p.m.

    @Uteology "Cute is coming on Ute articles and pounding your chest about TCU, Boise, and now Colorado State."

    I have no clue what you're even referring to here.

    "Pathetic is telling everyone your a legacy program and then you dance in the streets, hug perfect strangers, lit off fireworks""

    Isn't that what Ute fans did when the 16-18 Ute basketball team made the semis of the PAC tournament? :)

    And I'm not sure why you're attempting to dog on BYU fans for that celebration. It was a big win over the #3 ranked team in the country. BYU wasn't supposed to win that game, OU came in with a lot of hype, and Sam Bradford was the front-runner for the Heisman coming into the season.

    BYU fans aren't clairvoyant. Who knew that OU would finish 8-5 on the year? At the time, it was a great win over a hyped-up national championship contender.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 17, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    @Uteology "There is a difference between a article, blog post, and comments. Sorry to burst your bubble but this wasn't just an anonymous comment. The author of this blog post was listed in the article."

    Lol, so? Like I said, you could start up a blog, write a post about what U think about BYU, put your first name down as the "author's" name (like this guy did) and then cite it in one of your next comments as an independent viewpoint, or source.

    Point being that that guy has zero credibility. And I care about his opinion about as much as I care about yours.

    Which is not at all.

    I enjoy bantering with Ute fans to pass the time. It's the off-season, and I'm bored. But I fully understand that nothing I say will change your opinion about BYU, nor will anything U say change my opinion about the Cougars either.

    BYU is a national brand, has a larger fan base, and is a more prestigious program than Utah. U can look to ESPN as your source for that.

    Go Cougars!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 17, 2013 5:18 p.m.

    Uteology

    Athlon Magazine, an unbiased AND credible source, ranked BYU as one of the

    Top 25 GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL DYNASTIES

    since the AP Poll debuted in 1934.

    Boise State and TCU were included in the Best of the Rest.

    Utah wasn't even mentioned.

    -------------

    Of the 1,053 AP polls

    BYU has been ranked in 236 polls (22%)
    Utah has been ranked in 77 polls (7%)

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    @truecoug1

    And I'm not sure why you're attempting to dog on BYU fans for that celebration. It was a big win over the #3 ranked team in the country

    ------------

    That game wasn't any bigger than Application State a D2 program going on the road upsetting #5 Michigan.

    You're a legacy program, with a national brand? That's what you tell us, right?

    Do some research, please let us know if they had airport celebrations for a 1-0 "Quest".

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 17, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    Just the FAX
    Olympus Cove, Utah

    Uteology

    Athlon Magazine, an unbiased AND credible source, ranked BYU as one of the

    Top 25 GREATEST COLLEGE FOOTBALL DYNASTIES

    since the AP Poll debuted in 1934.

    Boise State and TCU were included in the Best of the Rest.

    Utah wasn't even mentioned.

    ----------------

    So? Neither were teams like Oregon, Stanford, Auburn (2010 NC) mentioned.

    #25 BYU is as relevant in the BCS era as #9 Army and #18 Minnesota.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    July 17, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    Uteology

    Athlon's "Dynasties" included every team and every season since 1934.

    BYU's 1979 to 1985 Dynasty included SIX 11+ win seasons, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, 7 conference championships, a consensus National Championship, and an overall record of 77-12 (87%).

    oh, and, 7 straight wins versus the Utes by a combined score of 273-95, including 27-0, 56-6, and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.

    The Cougars accomplished far more during BYU's 7-year dynasty, than the Utes have accomplished during their entire 119-year history.

    That's not hyperbole; that's a proven, documented fact.

    Utah's flash-in-the-pan bcs success is already fading. The Utes have been in steady decline since 2008, with a 1-3 record versus BYU as their ONLY significant accomplishments.

    btw, being a bottom dweller in a big boy conference is NOT an accomplishment - Vanderbilt, Duke, Northwestern, Iowa State, Indiana, Washington State, and many other football weaklings have been doing that for decades, with only very sporadic flashes of anything even remotely resembling a significant accomplishment.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 8:01 a.m.

    marked it down--

    "BYU's 1979 to 1985 Dynasty included SIX 11+ win seasons, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, 7 conference championships, a consensus National Championship, and an overall record of 77-12 (87%)."

    What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 18, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    @Y's little brother...."Pretty funny stuff. You pretend that Utah played the same level of competition in Utah's 10 of 11 bowl game wins. The truth is, most of Utah's wins were so unimpressive that the pollsters didn't even notice them."

    I couldn't agree with you more Utah didn't play the same level of competition as the cougies during that bowl stretch. They played far greater competition and still came out with a 10 - 1 record while the cougies barley made it past .500

    @uteanymous...."Unlike Utah, BYU has actually beaten big name teams like Notre Dame, Oklahoma, Texas, Penn St, and Miami."

    So what? It does no good to beat a "big name team" unless that "big name team" is actually a good team.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    AZUTE:
    If you look back on page 4 of comments, I addressed your BSU visiting Provo nonsense, and asked you a simple question in return. What happened last time Boise visited SLC...or anytime Utah has played Boise in this century? At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 18, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    AZUTE:
    "What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?"

    The same as cellar dweller Utah's, the only difference? BYU actually became a legacy dynasty, while Utah accomplished nothing. See, AZUTE Boise and TCU had similar SOS as well, and they both got some ink and recognition while U didn't. With the same SOS BYU, Boise, and TCU did more than U and that's why they are recognized as dynasties, while U are not...deal with it.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    "AZUTE:
    If you look back on page 4 of comments, I addressed your BSU visiting Provo nonsense, and asked you a simple question in return. What happened last time Boise visited SLC...or anytime Utah has played Boise in this century? At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house."

    I was looking at The U's '13 schedule and I didn't see where bsu was visiting S.L.C. to play against The U. Are you looking at a different schedule than I am, because I asked about bsu's last visit to provo precisely because I saw where they were coming back down there to provo in '13 to play another game against 2-Star byu.

    Now, go back and look at the players bsu had against The U [i.e., Kellen Moore] and contrast them against the players they had against 2-Star byu. Also, what was The U/2-Star byu result in '10 when The U last played bsu?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    "AZUTE:

    'What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?'

    The same as cellar dweller Utah's, the only difference? BYU actually became a legacy dynasty, while Utah accomplished nothing. See, AZUTE Boise and TCU had similar SOS as well, and they both got some ink and recognition while U didn't. With the same SOS BYU, Boise, and TCU did more than U and that's why they are recognized as dynasties, while U are not...deal with it."

    The difference being that we don't claim a "dynasty" on the backs of weak-sauce schedules.

    Regarding bsu and tcu, they as well as The U have actually done something during this current BCS Era, such as going to/winning multiple BCS Bowl Games. 2-Star byu hasn't even remotely sniffed a BCS Bowl Game, but rather just simply talk about games won against significantly weaker competition 3 decades + ago.

    Not to mention, The U has unequivocally straight dominated 2-Star byu during this current BCS Era. It's not even remotely comparable.

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 18, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    @ Cougsndawgs

    "At least BYU has been competitive and earned Boise's resoect, while U have been nothing but a sparring partner for them. As usual you like to throw stones from a glass house"

    At least Utah has beaten Boise State, while BYU has to look at that goose egg on their series record with the Broncos.

    Utah is 2-5 against Boise State
    BYU is 0-3 against Boise State

    BYU fans need to stop sugar coating their losses. A loss is a loss! Boise State owns both BYU and Utah. Boise State respects all their opponents and treats each game as a BIG game. That's why they're successful.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 18, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    Bleed Crimson

    "At least Utah has beaten Boise State, while BYU has to look at that goose egg on their series record with the Broncos."

    Boise State was a D-1AA team the last time Utah beat them, the same level as Weber State, but thanks for the laugh.

    BYU has suffered one blowout loss (during BYU's worst season in the last 50 years), and two 1-point losses at BSU.

    Utah, by comparison, has been brutally curb-stomped by BSU in their only three games against a D-1A BSU.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:27 p.m.

    @Uteology, AZUTE1

    So basically what you're saying is that nothing in college football before the BCS era should count? That college football basically only started during the BCS era, an "era" that lasted 15 years, has proven to be flawed, provided a split championship in 2003, and had college football fans everywhere clamoring for a better system that would allow more deserving teams a shot at the title (like Utah in 2008)?

    Wow...how very closed-minded of you.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @AZUTE1 "The U has unequivocally straight dominated 2-Star byu during this current BCS Era. It's not even remotely comparable."

    Actually, it is.

    Here are some stats for the two teams during the BCS era (since 1998):

    BYU:

    Record: 123-67
    Conference Championships: 4
    Bowl Games: 11
    Total final Rankings (AP or Coaches): 6
    Double digit win seasons: 6
    Losing seasons: 3
    BCS Bowls: 0
    Record vs BCS teams: 19-24
    Rivalry: 6-9
    And just for U AZUTE1,
    Average SOS: 61

    Utah:

    Record: 125-58
    Conference Championships: 4
    Bowl Games: 11
    Total final Rankings (AP or Coaches): 5
    Double-digit win seasons: 5
    Losing seasons: 3
    BCS Bowls: 2
    Record vs BCS teams: 30-23
    Average SOS: 66

    I'd say that's very comparable. The biggest significant difference between the two teams has been the 2 undefeated seasons and and 2 BCS bowls, which gives Utah the edge. Also interesting to note that BYU's average SOS is 5 spots higher than Utah's.

    So has Utah been better during the BCS era? Absolutely. Have they dominated BYU during this era so that it's not even comparable?

    Nope.

    I'll show U what that looks like in my next post.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:40 p.m.

    @AZUTE1

    Here's a domination that's not even comparable, and why BYU is considered a national, legacy program, while Utah is still a small-time wannabe that keeps comparing itself to big brother BYU and uses beating BYU as its metric of success:

    Modern Era of College Football: 1973-1997 (College football instituted the Divisions system in 1973, i.e. Division I, Division II, Division III)

    BYU:

    Record: 227-82-3
    Conference Championships: 18
    Bowl Game Appearances: 20
    Total final rankings (AP or UPI/Coaches): 12
    Double-digit win seasons: 10
    Losing seasons: 1
    National Championships: 1
    Rivalry: 19-6

    Utah:

    Record: 138-146
    Conference championships: 1
    Bowl game appearances: 4
    Total final rankings (AP or UPI/coaches): 1
    Double-digit win seasons: 1
    Losing seasons: 10
    National Championships: 0
    Rivalry: 6-19

    That's not even remotely comparable.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 12:52 p.m.

    So, in conclusion, BYU and Utah have been remarkably similar during the BCS era. BYU has had more double-digit win seasons and has been ranked more than Utah at the end of the season, while Utah has a slightly better overall record (which can be explained by the Utes' weaker average SOS, right AZUTE?), the edge in the rivalry, and the 2 BCS bowl wins.

    Both teams have the same number of bowl appearances and conference championships, while Utah has the edge against BCS foes.

    It's also interesting to note that BYU's average SOS pre-Independence was a 59, and Utah's pre-PAC was a 69. BYU's record against BCS foes during that time was 16-19. Utah's was 21-12.

    The edge during the BCS era goes to Utah on account of the BCS wins (although I'm not seeing the "domination of BYU", nor the "can't even be remotely compared" stuff U were talking about). However, the modern era (including the BCS) goes to BYU...and that's not even remotely debatable.

    Oh, and BYU also takes the SOS trophy, which I know is extremely important to U, AZUTE :)

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Here's that list of the stats for both teams during the Modern Era, including the BCS (1973-present):

    BYU:

    Record: 350-149-3
    Conference Championships: 22
    Bowl Game Appearances: 31
    Total final rankings (AP or UPI/Coaches): 18
    Double-digit win seasons: 16
    Losing seasons: 4
    National Championships: 1
    BCS Bowls: 0
    Rivalry: 25-15

    Utah:

    Record: 263-204
    Conference Championships: 5
    Bowl Game Appearances: 15
    Total final rankings (AP or UPI/Coaches): 6
    Double-digit win seasons: 6
    Losing seasons: 13
    National Championships: 0
    BCS Bowls: 2
    Rivalry: 15-25

    That's not even remotely debatable.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    @Uteology "That game wasn't any bigger than Application State a D2 program going on the road upsetting #5 Michigan.

    You're a legacy program, with a national brand? That's what you tell us, right?

    Do some research, please let us know if they had airport celebrations for a 1-0 "Quest"."

    First, I'm not sure what Appalachian St against Michigan has to do with BYU against Oklahoma. The ASU/Michigan game became big because an FCS school won. The BYU/OU game was hyped as a huge game between two top 25 programs, and the first ever college football game played in Jerryworld. OU was ranked #3 and had the preseason Heisman favorite. BYU came in as the underdog from the MWC, but preseason ranked #23 with BCS aspirations.

    It was a great game, and was hyped as such. So I'm not sure why a legacy program with a national brand isn't allowed to celebrate a big win over another legacy program with a national brand. It happened last year between A&M and Alabama.

    continued

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:17 p.m.

    @Uteology continued

    Here's a quote from the article regarding Texas A&M beating Alabama: "On Saturday afternoon, Texas A&M beat Alabama 29-24 in Tuscaloosa. On Saturday evening, thousands of fans lined the streets to welcome the Aggies back to College Station." From the USA Today article titled "Massive crowd greets Texas A&M after huge upset".

    So...what's your point exactly? If you're a marquee program with a national brand, you're no longer allowed to celebrate beating another marquee team with a national brand??

    (roll my eyes) Please. Maybe U should try to come up with some better smack.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @Uteology "What's your point that BYU is as irrelevant as Duke, Minnesota, and Colorado in the BCS era?"

    No, my point is that to be considered a prestigious program, U have to look at the whole picture, and not just a couple of successful years here and there.

    BYU was ranked higher than Utah, TCU, and BSU, all of whom have been to BCS bowls and had undefeated seasons during the BCS era.

    Unfortunately for Ute, Horned Frog, and Bronco fans, there was over 100 years of college football that happened before the BCS that was taken into account.

    U are a small-time program whose legacy is built on 2 BCS bowl wins and 8 of 11 against BYU.

    I've already shown what BYU's legacy was built on.

    Which one does ESPN value more?

    Maybe U can quote something from CollegeFootballCafeteria to back up your position, though :)

    Go Cougars!

  • AggieVoice Logan, UT
    July 18, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    I want to hear what BYU fans think about the 2014 schedule...

    Home- Virginia, Houston, Utah State, Nevada, Southern Miss, UNLV
    Away- UCONN, Texas, UCF, Boise, Middle Tennessee (1 more to schedule)

    The only games I see BYU fans getting excited about (besides Texas) are the Mountain West games (Utah State, Boise, and Nevada). Doesn't seem any better than a normal Mountain West schedule, they just don't have a championship to fight for.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    truecoug1--

    "So has Utah been better during the BCS era? Absolutely. Have they dominated BYU during this era so that it's not even comparable?

    Nope."

    Lol Again, too easy.

    Not only has The U dominated head-to-head [1/2 of 2-Star byu's wins came during the 1st 4 years of this current BCS Era, 3-8 ever since], they've won by an avg of 13.67 and lost by an avg of 4, including 3 epic blow-outs of 52-21/48-24/54-10 against never getting beat by more than 7.

    The U has had winning streaks of 4 and 3, whereas 2-Star byu has had 2 winning streaks of 2.

    The U has gone undefeated twice, something 2-Star byu has accomplished only once during my lifetime and that was against the 3rd weakest SOS in the nation, including finishing ranked in the Top-4 on both occasions [4/2, respectively]. 2 losses is the closest 2-Star byu has ever come to it.

    Going to 2 BCS Bowl Games [while winning both in utterly dominating fashion], something which 2-Star byu can only fantasize about ever accomplishing once.

    Etc., Etc., Etc., Etc.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    @ truecoug1

    In conclusion, I stand by my original comment 100%. The U's domination of 2-Star byu during this current BCS Era is not even remotely comparable! :)

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 3:05 p.m.

    truecoug1--

    "Oh, and BYU also takes the SOS trophy, which I know is extremely important to U, AZUTE :)"

    Lol You make it so entirely easy on me! :)

    When pointing to my own personal references to SOS, please only state what I've actually done. If you go back and carefully review when it is I actually do in fact reference SOS, you'll readily notice that I only do so when it's 100% relevant.

    A perfect example of when I actually do in fact reference SOS is when 2-Star byu fan "touts" 2-Star byu's record as having been better than The U's each of the last 2 years. My automatic response is to immediately point to the SOS disparity [90 vs 49 and 63 vs 41], in addition to pointing to the fact that The U won both head-to-head match-ups.

    Please go back and look at each and every instance of me referencing SOS and report back as to precisely when/why I in fact referenced SOS. I don't just simply reference SOS for the heck of it! Lol :)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    @AZUTE1 "Not only has The U dominated head-to-head [1/2 of 2-Star byu's wins came during the 1st 4 years of this current BCS Era, 3-8 ever since]"

    So? Your initial argument was that Utah had dominated BYU during the BCS ers so that it wasn't even remotely comparable. I showed that that wasn't the case.

    Utah is up 9-6 head-to-head during the BCS era because of the 3 game winning streak that the Utes are on. 2 of those 3 wins were extremely close and came about in incredibly "flukey" fashion (shanked punt that bounced off of a BYU gunner and was recovered by Utah, Bradley's knee being down in 2010, botched snap that Alisa couldn't recover that was returned for a TD by Utah in 2012).

    That's not exactly "dominating".

    I already gave Utah credit for the 2 BCS wins, so I'm not sure what your point is there.

    Overall, I simply showed that Utah's accomplishments and BYU's accomplishments are remarkably similar during the BCS era. The only significant difference are the 2 BCS wins, which is why I said that Utah had been better than BYU during the BCS era.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 18, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    truecoug1--

    "Modern Era of College Football: 1973-1997"

    I've personally seen, at minimum, a handful of starting points for what's considered to be the starting point for "The Modern Era".

    Based upon this fact, selecting 1973 is therefore 100% arbitrary and in no way authoritative, no more authoritative than any of the others.

    Furthermore, going back beyond the beginning of this current BCS Era is 100% irrelevant to my original comment, thus has zero bearing on it. Not unlike pointing to my references to SOS, as I've only ever referenced SOS when it was 100% relevant [i.e., when a 2-Star byu fan claims they were better the past 2 years based on their record, not to mention The U won both meeting, as well]. :)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    @AZUTE1 "If you go back and carefully review when it is I actually do in fact reference SOS, you'll readily notice that I only do so when it's 100% relevant."

    Lol, seriously? Here's what U said this morning: ""BYU's 1979 to 1985 Dynasty included SIX 11+ win seasons, FIVE Top 12 finishes, TWO Top 7 finishes, 7 conference championships, a consensus National Championship, and an overall record of 77-12 (87%)."

    What was 2-Star byu's SOS during each of these seasons?"

    How on earth is SOS relevant to what BYU accomplished during their dynasty, according to Athlon? Especially since Utah's SOS was as bad, if not worse, than BYU's and they did nothing during that same time period?

    U have also posted several comments in the "Getting to 10" article about how Phil Steele's PRESEASON SOS ranking has Utah's at #12 and BYU's at #49, as if that is somehow a great accomplishment, lol.

    I figured U would then appreciate the fact that BYU has an higher average SOS than Utah during the BCS era and therefore wins the SOS trophy :)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 18, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    @AZUTE1" "A perfect example of when I actually do in fact reference SOS is when 2-Star byu fan "touts" 2-Star byu's record as having been better than The U's each of the last 2 years."

    And that is also what I did when I stated that the disparity between Utah's and BYU's overall record during the BCS era can be explained away by the disparity between their SOS, since BYU's is higher. Again, according to your logic.

    So again, nothing that U have said has shown me that Utah and BYU don't even remotely compare to each other during the BCS era. Utah has the slight advantage in head-to-head and has the 2 BCS wins. BYU has had more double-digit win seasons, and has been ranked more at the end of the season than Utah has.

    But because of the 2 BCS wins, the edge goes to Utah.

    Nothing dominant about it, however. And it definitely remotely compares.

    The modern era for both football teams (1973-present) doesn't even come close to remotely comparing.

    BYU is the big dog. Utah is small-time.

    Enjoy it.

    Go Cougars!

  • Bleed Crimson Sandy, Utah
    July 19, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    @ truecoug1

    "Utah is up 9-6 head-to-head during the BCS era because of the 3 game winning streak that the Utes are on. 2 of those 3 wins were extremely close and came about in incredibly "flukey" fashion (shanked punt that bounced off of a BYU gunner and was recovered by Utah, Bradley's knee being down in 2010, botched snap that Alisa couldn't recover that was returned for a TD by Utah in 2012)"

    You forgot to account for BYU's "fluke plays" that won 3 of their games against Utah. (Beck to Harline in 2006, A blown coverage on 4th and a mile in 2007, and another blown coverage in OT in 2009). BYU had it's share of "fluke plays". But you don't see Utah fans Y'ning about them. Get over it! Turnovers, missed field goals, blown coverage, botched snaps, muffed punts, ect. Are all apart of football. Stuff like that happens, that's why you play the game. Enough with the excuses!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 19, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @BleedCrimson

    How many TD catches did Johnny Harline have in 2006? How many TD passes did John Beck have in 2006? How many receptions and receiving yards did Austin Collie have in 2007? How many passing yards did Max Hall have in 2007? How is zipping a ball through two defenders and putting it right on the money to Andrew George a flukey play ,or "blown" coverage?

    Now, tell me how many times did Utah shank a punt in 2010 that bounced off of the opponents' gunner that they recovered (my guess is one)? How many times did BYU have a botched snap in 2012 that was returned for a TD by their opponent (again, my guess is one)?

    Obviously crazy stuff happens in football. That's part of what makes the game great. But they're still flukes.

    Johnny Harline and John Beck practiced a ton to arrive at that moment. Likewise with Max Hall and Collie, and Hall and George.

    Tell me, did Utah practice shanking punts? What did Utah do to make BYU's center botch the snap, and make the ball take a bad bounce when Alisa went to scoop it up?

    U won 2 games from flukes.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 19, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    BTW, it's interesting that in Utah's best era that included 4 of their best seasons ever ('03, '04, '08, '09) and in an era that included 3 of BYU's worst seasons in the last 45 years ('02, '03, '04), Utah has only managed 3 more head-to-head wins than BYU, couldn't win more conference championships than BYU, couldn't finished the season ranked more than BYU, and has only won a couple of more games than BYU has (and that can be explained away by their overall weaker SOS).

    Hats off to the Utes for winning 2 BCS bowls, a great accomplishment. But I'm just not seeing the domination that Ute fans talk about during this era.

    And again, the fact that the most important thing to Ute fans is "3 in a row, 8 of 11" tells me all I need to know about the Ute program.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 19, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    @AZUTE1 "I've personally seen, at minimum, a handful of starting points for what's considered to be the starting point for "The Modern Era"."

    True, there is some debate about it. 1973 is when the NCAA divided schools into three divisions. They further divided the schools into 1A and 1AA starting in 1978, so it could have started then.

    Or U can go into the 80's, when television exposure exploded onto the scene.

    I chose 1973 since it is the beginning of what college football most closely resembles today. though 1978 also would have been a good measurement.

    Any way U choose to look at it, however, BYU still comes out ahead of the Utes in wins, conference championships, end-of-season rankings, head-to-head matchups, national championships, etc.

    And it's not even close.

    Meantime, the BCS era (an era in which U would have us believe that Utah has thoroughly dominated BYU) has shown both teams to be pretty even. Utah has been the better team on account of the 2 BCS wins and the 3-game edge in the rivalry.

    But, for being the best era in Utah football, it certainly hasn't been dominant.

    Go Cougars!