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Utah Jazz: Why the Jazz traded for Andris Biedrins, Richard Jefferson and Brandon Rush

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  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    July 14, 2013 6:19 p.m.

    As a Golden State Warriors fan for many years, you can have Biedrins, Jefferson, and Rush.
    Biedrins has a very high field goal percentage because he shoots extremely close shots or dunks and rebounds okay; but the huge problem with him is he a foul machine. He gets like 3 fouls in 3 minutes and can't shoot free throws to save his life. Jefferson cost the Warriors a playoff game with the Spurs because of his inconsistent lousy play. I will miss Brandon Rush even though he didn't play much; if and when healthy he is a solid basketball player.

  • rsrino New Canaan, CT
    July 14, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    "We don't want any hair to be pulled out on accident" ... Are you kidding me? Is there an editor on board? How does a writer not know the you do things on purpose or BY accident. ON accident is not proper grammar.

  • Jody Genessy
    July 14, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    Yes, rsrino, it was a joke. I wrote on accident by purpose to be funny.
    Jody

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 14, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    @imabeliever

    If you read the article, the Jazz don't particularly care how the former Warrior players play. There not coming here to make the team better. If any of them end up having a good season the Jazz have the flexibility to sign them next year. The thought though is these players just accomplished helping the Jazz meet minimum salary requirements for this year and next season they will be off the books so the Jazz have flexibility to start shaping the team for the long run.

  • oldasdirt Grantsville, UT
    July 14, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    I will feel more comfortable when the Jazz sign a vet point guard. With a rookie point running the offense, my concern is the our core four will not improve if Burke can not get them the ball. Or it turns into a dribbling exercise and him hogging the ball.

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    July 14, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    Rebuilding - Rebuilding - Rebuilding 3-5 yrs. from now - Rebuilding! future game plan - Rebuilding

    Greg isn't interested in winning! Greg's all about $$$

  • StocksOnTheRocks Lehi, UT
    July 14, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    Biedrins ?? --> somebody must be missing Greg Ostertag

  • earthquakejake Logan, UT
    July 14, 2013 11:23 p.m.

    I hope they write a follow up article titled "Why The Jazz Should Not Have Traded For Andris Biedrins, Richard Jefferson and Brandon Rush". I'll write it for free if they need me to.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    July 15, 2013 3:19 a.m.

    @Jody Genessy

    I see the "Grammar Nazis" and the "I can write better articles." people are out in full force. Personally, I think you do a great job and always read your Jazz articles before any others.

    I know it can't be easy putting out five or more sports pieces a week and then have every Tom, Dick and Harry criticize them.

    Keep up the good work, there are many of us who appreciate what you do; it's just that we don't often write to tell you so.

  • HugMe Logan, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    People who do not like this trade must be content to see the Jazz barely miss the playoffs of get the 8th seed in the playoffs. This trade is all about the future. It is going to finally let Favors, Kanter, and Burks play, which many of us have wanted (seeing veterans continually get the majority of minutes over these guys was painful). It has given us an unprotected 2014 draft pick and an unprotected first round pick in 2017. We now have 2 first round picks in a 2014draft that is predicted to be the strongest draft in a long time. It has given us financial flexibility to play in the 2014 FA market, which is a strong FA class.

    Kudos to Dennis Lindsey for having a long term vision. We very well could have a team challenging to get to the finals in the next few years instead of a team challenging to get the 8th seed in the playoffs.

  • Doug10 Roosevelt, UT
    July 15, 2013 7:44 a.m.

    The Jazz core are young, unproven and last year were ineffective against playoff teams. They have been practicing this offseason so they will have the advantage over.....those who have not been practicing?

    The Jazz admin were so posotive they were going to own the free agent class this yar as they had lots of money and it was going to propel them to the top free agents. "Bad Plan" as the top free agents did not even call Utah.

    New plan for next year...repeat this years plan, Utah will have lots of money and the free agent and draft market will again avoid the Jazz like the plague.

    Utah was in need of veteran shooters so they traded Foye for a distant second round pick. Sounds like the team cannot even keep its own veterans.

    The Jazz look up and they are "rebuilding" but so are 25 other teams in the league, I am just guessing the Celtics and Lakers andMavs are going to be returning to the playoffs long before the Jazz, who have deep pockets and are salivating at the draft and free agent market next year"

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 15, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    This was a great trade and a bodes well for Jazz management. Looks like they have a plan, the ability and the blessing of ownership to make a serious run at the finals. Biedrens could be a solid big but he has lost his confidence because of his sorry free throw percentage. Maybe the Jazz can get him to re-invent himself. Rush could be solid. What ever you get from these guys is a huge bonus because the expectation is very low.

  • jbarr North Ogden, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    What most fans don't seem to realize is that many rebuilding projects don't work. We were spoiled with Malone and Stockton for too long. The Jazz have been trying to rebuild since they left. Williams and Boozer gave us some success, but not as much as Malone and Stockton. We tried again with Millsap, Jefferson & Williams with even less success. Now we are trying again with Kantor, Favors, Hayward & company hopefully with great success. Sometime you have to take some risk to get success. Other teams go through the same things. Look at the Lakers Kobe, Hayward, Nash Gasol try. That didn't work out to well. I like that the Jazz are willing to do what needs to be done to move on and try again. There will be some growing pains and this year will be both difficult (lack of wins) and exciting (development of young players). If those players develope as expected and we can add some good draft picks and free agents next year then I see a bright future for the Jazz.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 15, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    @Doug10

    Jazz management did not intend to sign this seasons "top free agents" because outside of Chris Paul who of the bunch was going to fix this franchise?

    Jefferson? Millsap? Dwight Drama Howard? Korver for $24 million? These guys are now all overpaid and have not taken their respective teams anywhere.

    This was more of a case of what the Jazz wanted to do vs free agents not wanting to come.

    The Jazz signed Randy Foye last season along with Mo Williams. Both of them were pursued by multiple teams last year yet they chose Utah. Fans have amnesia about those facts. They probably would and could have signed Foye again if Brandon Rush was not in the GS deal. Foye repeatedly said in the press he wanted to return.

    The Jazz have young talent sitting and signing any of these freeagents just commits big money so your young talents and draft picks can sit? What a waste. You have to find out if these guys are any good before their extensions/deals happen before you overpay and get yourself in a Kirilenko like deal.

    Plenty of losing coming but signing this years available free agents accomplishes nothing.

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    July 15, 2013 10:35 a.m.

    "..signing this years available free agents accomplishes nothing."

    Jazz Source, I think that sums up this off-season. The Jazz would be in terrible shape if they had signed, say, Andrew Bynum, Monta Ellis and OJ Mayo. And that's about the level of free agents the Jazz could have signed. Maybe make the playoffs, but no flexibility for the future.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 15, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    Jazz apologists are in full-throated defense of the JAZZ plan(?).

    What must be remembered is that the highly paid expertise, of the JAZZ coaches, scouts, consultants as well as ownership placed the JAZZ where they are today by their "crapshoot" style of coaching/advice/management.

    Fans are told the draft is a "crapshoot".

    Other teams handle the "crapshoot" draft and win.

    Outside of "Stockton to Malone", why not the JAZZ?

  • dhsalum Saint George, UT
    July 15, 2013 12:59 p.m.

    I would concur that the Jazz have not a great job in the last 5 years of improving the team, but with little-to-no cap space that is very difficult. Dennis Lindsey, however, clearly has a plan, and its a much better option than KOC's bring everyone back and see what happens plan year after year.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 15, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    @there you go again

    The draft can be a crap shoot but the odds are definitely better when you draft high lottery picks. Historically the Jazz have not had high lottery picks because they owned one of the highest winning percentages in pro sports for a long time (not just NBA, but ALL sports). Over the last couple of years the Jazz have finally had the opportunity to gather some high lottery picks that the fans affectionately call the core 4 (now core 5 with Burke). This is the 1st time in the history of the franchise we have accumulated this many young, potentially great players (even Stockton and Malone were not lottery picks).

    Management is doing the right thing by putting the franchise on these young guys shoulders so we can see how good they can become. It helps tremendously that we will have the cap space and more lottery picks next year to build with. If people can't get excited with what's going on they just need to move to some other hobby to occupy their time.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 15, 2013 4:18 p.m.

    Because they wanted to be, by far, the worst team in the league. Well, mission accomplished.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 15, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @Brahmabull

    i am curious on what ideas you have to make this team a championship team....do you really think this team would win a championship if they re-signed Big Al and Paul Millsap and added a PG or players like Andre Igoudala?...let's say...we got better...and we went to the playoffs...how long do you think that will last?...do you think with you could win a title with that?...that being said...what the Jazz are doing is relatively new...since the are giving the keys to the young guys...is it a bad idea? No...because this gives them time to assess how good this core really is...if they are not...we'll probably see changes...further more...teams like the Utah Jazz...could not compete with big market teams during free agency...we do not have a lot to offer...that's why smaller market teams try to build from the ground up...by getting a sure fire superstar at the draft...did we get that with burke? probably not...will we get that next year? who knows...but im willing to stick with it...since i love this team

  • TerryHaimes Sturgis, MS
    July 15, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    Most of this article is hog wash intended to ease the pressure on management for seemingly not trying to build a good team. Bottom line is these three players can play, if they are healthy and want to. On the other hand, this year may be called the "sacrifice Corbin year".

    This deal allows the Jazz to wait until next year before they pay Favors and Heyward big money and to decide if this "core" is the future. The upside is this team with a decent point guard and coaching could be very very good.

    The other side of the coin is, the Jazz are in a position to make pretty much any kind of deal that comes up; however, I want to watch a good team now, not later.

  • nothegame Saratoga Springs, UT
    July 15, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    If we all think the jazz are going to be so bad, what does that say about our young players. If they as good as everyone say's they are then we should be fine. If we really only win about 10 -15 games then the Jazz are in bigger trouble then we think.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 15, 2013 8:17 p.m.

    @nothegame

    Perhaps you should go review the win loss record of the OKC Thunder after they drafted Durrant. They were horrible and not just for one year either. They did make incremental gains and would likely have gotten back to the Finals this year were it not for injury.

    How was that team built? The draft. How were the Spurs built? The draft.

    You have to be bad to get a shot at drafting a top tier player and then it will take years of incremental improvement to get to be a contender.

    It works unless you get LeBron. Other than that you have to get your hands on top tier talent somehow which usually means the draft in a market such as ours.

    That is just how it works. Fans must be patient but it can work. Does it always pan out?

    Of course not but I guess you could always bring back Millsap and Jefferson for another 40 win season! Personally I'm sick of that rerun.

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    July 15, 2013 8:56 p.m.

    What a crock! Lindsey should change his name to Benedict Arnold. Why waste $24m on these three third stringers. Oh, I know it's all about salary cap. The jazz won't get a spurs style big man next year and will never be anything but second class . The sad part is that for the foreseeable future, it will be by Lindsey's choice, er fault.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    You have to think that Brahmabull, Doug10 and StocksOnTheRocks would complain if the Jazz had signed Dwight Howard and Chris Paul. One wonders how long they have followed the Jazz? As has been pointed out here, now is the time to see what the young core-four can do before their rookie contracts end and the team has to either sign them for what they are worth or cut them loose. They flinched in that situation with Andrei Kirilenko and it cost them for years afterwards.

    The complaints against Greg Miller seem especially unwarranted. He has always stepped up when money was needed. But so has Donald Sterling. You have to have good basketball minds running the show and I have been very impressed with Dennis Lindsey so far. I expects further growth from this team.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 15, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    @ Real Bass

    If so disgruntled why not just pick another NBA team to hitch your wagon to. You're never going to have an NBA team in Idaho so you can just choose who ever you want. What about the Nuggets? They're a team out here in the Rocky Mountains and maybe you would be happier with their philosophy. It seems your having trouble, with a few others, seeing the vision and not understanding why the Jazz are bringing in the Warrior players. I'm not going to rewrite the whole thing again because everyone else that understands what's going on has stated the reasons, but some of you still don't get it so it's useless to try and explain. But remember, the Nuggets will have a better season next year so just cheer for them and then when the Jazz do make their run you can jump back on the bandwagon. Problem solved.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    July 16, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    The reality is that the Jazz simply cannot compete in the free agent market. We are a small market team and there isn't a free agent out there that would consider the Jazz, at least any free agent that is worth anything. Last year we dipped into the free agent market and what did we get? Marvin Williams whom we pay 8 million to have the lowest stats ever in his career; Mo Williams who did not play half the year with an injury. There are others who made some contribution. However, with our veterans, we still did not make the playoffs. Had we signed Jefferson and Millsap to max contracts which they surely would have demanded, the results would likely not be any better this year. Why not go with a group of promising young players? Even if we don't make the playoffs this year, we will have a group of players that have an enormous upside for the future. Dennis Lindsey did the right thing and went with the future.

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 16, 2013 6:00 p.m.

    Anybody who claims this is about the Jazz being able to play their younger players is essentially saying Corbin lacks the guts to play the players he needs to. They are saying he makes his playing time decisions based on salary or years in the NBA. I happen to agree that Corbin is gutless as a coach but the solution to the problem isn't to change out good players for bad ones but to change out the coach and get one who will play the right players.

    That is a weak argument for liking this trade.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    July 17, 2013 8:34 a.m.

    @HugMe had good insight. Rush is from Kansas and was highly regarded until he blew out his knee.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 17, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    @joe5

    so you are saying...you'd rather have Paul, Al Jeff and Mo running the show? for another 3-5 years being a fringe playoff team?...so you are good with that right?...i happen to like this trade for a lot of reasons other than forcing corbin's hand...i am sure Corbin and Lindsey had a long talk about this coming year...plus what i like in this trade is Brandon Rush...I have been wanting to get him to play for Utah a few year's now starting when he played for Indiana...i'd take him over CJ Miles any day

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 17, 2013 7:01 p.m.

    Kakashi: We've had this conversation before. My desires for the Jazz off-season had nothing to do with retaining any of their free agents other than Demarre Carroll because he is effective but cheap (good value).

    I also liked Brandon Rush but that was before he was damaged goods. You've probably never had a serious injury but you're almost never the same afterward. And it's a stupid argument to compare him to CJ. Nobody is clamoring for CJ to return. Instead of making silly statements like that, why don't you compare him to JJ Redick or OJ Mayo or Corey Brewer or someone the Jazz could have gotten at a reasonable price.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 18, 2013 4:58 a.m.

    @joe5

    im not comparing him to CJ...since i like Brandon Rush more than CJ and that's why i was pulling to trade CJ before and get Brandon Rush...but i do agree with you on Corey Brewer and JJ Redick...but OJ Mayo...not so much...

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    July 18, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    Come on Jazz fans, your driving me CRAZY. With alot of the comments I'm reading it's obvious that many fans just don't get it. The 2014 draft is LOADED! And the Jazz want to be big players in it. The JAZZ are not looking for wins next year, they are looking for answers. Who of our young players are we going to invest in? The JAZZ want big draft picks and money to fill in the gaps. GO JAZZ!!

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 19, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    I'm so tired of this debate. Who really doesn't "get it?"

    When was the last time anybody won a championship with a young team. No matter how loaded the 2014 draft is, whoever the Jazz pick will not take them to the promised land for several years.
    - It took Jordan seven years and nobody on his first championship team was his teammate the day he was drafted.
    - It took LeBron seven years and none of his championship teammates were his teammates the day he was drafted.

    Next year's free agent market is no better for the Jazz than this year's. They can only attract mid-level talent, especially when the core of the team is still learning how to play the game because they are so young.

    Players only win championships early in their careers if they are drafted by a team that is already a contender. A 28-pick has a better chance of winning a ring his first three years than a #1 pick.

    I'm willing to bet $1000 against any taker that the next time the Jazz make the NBA finals, Hayward and Favors will be playing for someone else or retired.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 22, 2013 5:59 p.m.

    @joe5

    I agree...but there is one that i could say...went number 1...and went to win it all on his 2nd year...it was Tim Duncan....Dwayne Wade won it all on his 3rd year...but i do agree that it'll take a few years before it happens...but...If this is done right...in 7 years...maybe we'll win it all...that is a big maybe...but still...there is a shot...and we wouldnt know...if we have already conceded defeat...so might as well be optimistic about it...

  • joe5 South Jordan, UT
    July 23, 2013 5:26 p.m.

    From the 1989-1990 season through the 1995-1996 season, San Antonio finished first (four times) or second (two times) in their division. In 1996-1997, David Robinson sat out the entire year due to injury and San Antonio got the #1 draft choice. TD did NOT go to a struggling team. He went to a contending team which supports my point.

    While Dwayne Wade didn't go to a contending team, the cupboard was not completely bare in Miami. But even more importantly was that Dallas was robbed in the championship series with Miami. Nobody expected Miami to win and they really shouldn't have and wouldn't have without some very favorable officiating. I'm no fan of Dallas but I've hated Miami ever since they were awarded a championship they didn't earn on their own merits.