I love that BYU is free to schedule these games in great venues and that ESPN is
such a powerful partner. However, BYU needs to start winning and showing
superiority on the scoreboard, or it starts to feel less about competition and
more about exposure. I want exposure as much as the next person, but not at the
expense of wins and success. Hopefully BYU can have both this year
(exposure and success) and it can be the launching pad to future success. I love
a lot of things about independence, but I'm afraid being in a conference
will always provide more security and better recruiting in the long run.
It is more challenging to be independent than in a conference, but it is really
exciting to more often play teams and stadiums we've never played
before.I think for BYU to maintain a good schedule as an independent
it will require a better level of play than BYU has had in the recent past (even
though the record under Bronco is quite good). With the new playoff system most
teams will be looking to play the best teams they can and BYU will need to
consistently finish in the top 25 to schedule great teams.
Many wonder why we are ok with 2 for 1 scheduling with the 2 games on the road
and 1 home game. I always knew why but this article answers that question for
everyone else. Go Cougars!!!
Mark,The question has never been "is there any benefit from
scheduling a 2 for 1"The question is:"If you are
a football power as your fans claim, why not just schedule a 1 for 1?"LOL
The eighth in a series that puts a positive spin on byu's scheduling issues
as an independent.The 2 negatives that come to mind right away
are:1. Exposing the les season ticket holders to an equal number of
quality games at home.2. It was already mentioned in a previous
article the extraordinary amount of time that bronco and holmoe spend on
@ Chris B"The question has never been "is there any benefit
from scheduling a 2 for 1"The question is:"If
you are a football power as your fans claim, why not just schedule a 1 for
1?"Because as hard that it is for you to understand Chris there
are more reasons BYU does what they do than just football. Football is important
no question but BYU has other motives that's tied to the purpose of the
church that seems to be difficult for you to understand. There is no reason to
go over it again, the article is a sufficient source for that answer. BYU is a
football power but a football power that wants to extend its outreach to its
fans. ESPN and BYUtv is a part of that outreach but road games is the other big
mark,If that were true than why doesn't byu just schedule all
of their games on the road?
I am wondering if someone at the DesNews needs to go back to U.S. geography
class. Apparently Boise, Pocatello, Austin and Houston have changed locations.
Please give the graphic maker a lesson in US geography!
@Mark,You're still now anwering the question."BYU has other motives tied to the purpose of the church"Fine.I ask again, Why not just schedule a 1 for 1?Are you suggesting somehow BYU has the option of doing 1 for 1, but
instead prefers 1 for 2 to promote the other motives you claim?Can
you not promote those motives with a 1 for 1?ALL programs have
motives including reaching fans.And power programs do this through 1
and 1's.Not power programs do 1 for 2.Again I ask,
Why do a 1 for 2?You could still accomplish your "motives"
with a 1 for 1 could you not?LOL.Spin, spin, spin.I'll ask again, in hopes that repetition helps.Why not
schedule a 1 for 1 and push your "motives" that way?
Chris b & ekuteAs opposed to what?Your argument and
insinuation is that because BYU takes an occasional 2 for 1 with great programs
like USC and a ND that BYU is somehow a lesser program than, with your incessant
arguments, the u.So you argument, through your insinuations and
previous posts, is that the u is somehow better off by default just because your
in the Pac12.You're a cellar dweller, bottom team in a
"power conference." So what? You have visions of grandeur that you are
going to become an elite team in your conference. Like you deserve respect
without accomplishing anything. But no matter how much lipstick you put on a
pig, they're still a pig.Being giddy and pompous about being in
the PAC 12 is like a fly hitching a ride on a Ferrari and claiming they can go
200mph. u are nothing to the Ferrari.I have no delusions of BYU
football. I know what their goals are and what they want to accomplish. I know
exactly where they are and what they are.And I am fine with
that...even if you're not.
Chris,"Spin, spin, spin." is right. lol.
@StuFoo,"As opposed to what"a 1 for 1.Was that not clear.We recently schedule a 1 for 1 agreement with
Michigan.Just curiuos why you guys don't just schedule 1 for
1's with other power programs.We do.
STuFOO - Wow, what a rant. "You have visions of grandeur that
you are going to become an elite team in your conference. Like you deserve
respect without accomplishing anything." You just summed up byu
football and their fans. They have accomplished nothing yet talk about going to
the Big-12 and even persist in talking about Pac-12. I would be frustrated if I
were you, too. Starring at byu's 2014 schedule would not make me happy.
But hey, Holmoe, the mastermind of the independence experiment says it's
fantastic even if he doesn't like to talk about the dearth of bowl
opportunities, having to play 2 for 1 and one offs. The selling of ponies and
rainbows continues and byu fans are buying it. byu is rudderless and adrift in
a sea of irrelevance...but as you say, no matter how much lipstick...I don't see byu's situation changing appreciably in the long term.
So, if it helps you to think that Utah will continue to be at the bottom third
of their elite conference for all eternity, have at it. There isn't a Utah
fan on the planet that would trade places with byu.
@ Chris B - Your question is disingenuous. The 2 for 1 occurs because BYU has
no conference affiliation and therefore has to schedule teams throughout the
entire season on its own. This necessitates some trade-off in order to schedule
games at times other than the first two or three weeks of the season (once
conference play starts). I think you must know this but are bent on taking jabs
at BYU in the face of reason.If you need further input on the
disadvantage of not being in a conference, you may want to check with Dr. Chris
Hill who said of the Michigan series, "A home-and-home series with Michigan
is the kind of opportunity that comes with membership in the Pac-12
Conference," That said, independence is the right path for BYU
at this time and frankly, they’re doing a pretty good job of navigating
it. Good for the Utes to be in the PAC12 and the advantages it provides. For
both programs, it means little unless those opportunities are converted to wins.
BYU has had plenty of 1 for 1's with "power" programs over the
years, far more than the one single time utah has been able to schedule one
christina. There is a limited number of those programs BYU will go 2-1 with and
interestingly many of those progrmas have come on board over the last couple of
years. I'm sure it is simple strategy for BYU as they establish
independence and as time goes on those will become 1-1 or 1-1-1 types.As for utah, well outside of conference games, which are forced 1-1, what is
the next "power" team utah is getting a 1 for 1 with? I haven't
even heard rumors of any real quality program even considering a single game
with utah let alone a 1 for 1.So christina, and ekute, who are these
non conference "power" programs that are lined up to give utah 1 for 1?
For that matter who are these "power" programs that are even considering
offering utah a 1 and done?
Chris B1 for 1 still isn't enough lipstick to make being a
cellar dweller worth it."Being" in a power conference means
nothing. That's your spin. I travel throughout the world and the U.S. and
college football is an easy topic to get conversations started at airports,
dinner parties, down time, network meetings, etc. You know what people think
about the u?Mostly NOTHING. At most people outside of
the PAC 12 say, "oh, didn't they have a good year a few years ago?"
That is except when it comes to PAC12 team fans, who almost always,
always have a negative reaction. They look at at you as a snot nosed kid who
can't understand why you are so high on yourself. After all, all you did
was go to a BCS game, something members of that conference did EVERY year since
the BCS was created. And you got there by beating lesser schools.They wonder why you think you can talk trash by virtue of being invited, like
that means anything. You have earned no respect, and yet u fans are still
talking.I have no delusion of where BYU is, unlike u and your team.
@ Chris BYou always have an answer for everything do you Chris.
Well, there is no reason to explain further. My answer before suffices but
clearly it went way over your head.
MyPerspective"You just summed up byu football and their fans.
They have accomplished nothing yet talk about going to the Big-12 and even
persist in talking about Pac-12."2 different arguments that u
fans want to argue at the same time. Which cannot be done.First,
BYU is ALREADY a legacy program. LISTEN to announcers and national media when
they talk about BYU. They ALREADY talk with respect about BYU and what they have
accomplished. just because u fans can't doesn't mean it doesn't
happen.Second, I have no illusions about where BYU football is. I
have NEVER expressed my interest in joining the Big 12, or want to join the PAc
12. I just want to see games on TV."I don't see byu's
situation changing appreciably in the long term. So, if it helps you to think
that Utah will continue to be at the bottom third of their elite conference for
all eternity, have at it."You accuse me of an argument in the
first sentence that you make for yourself in the second. So utah can change and
BYU can't?This is why arguing with u fans is so fun.
duck,"outside of conference games" are the key words in your
comment. think about it.Go Utes.
STuFOO...Around and around we go...The BCS era has come and
almost gone and byu has accomplished NOTHING. In fact, they haven't
accomplished anything for nearly 30 years. But, keep believing. byu fans are OBSESSED over conference standings and getting to the big time.
These boards are full of those comments from byu fans so don't even attempt
to separate yourself from it. What is byu going to change? This is
it, sport. You're looking at it.Do you like the 2014 schedule?
(2013 isn't all that great either - conference bottom dwellers)Do
you like not having bowls that will take byuDo you enjoy 2 for 1 and 1 off
deals (appears you might be in Korea so maybe you really don't care)Do you honestly think there is "respect" like ND and Michigan command
when teams can get Holmoe to do what they want? Really?Do you relish the
thought that Boise St gave up ESPN and went back to a conference? Maybe you really don't care but these boards are full of byu fans who say
@ Chris B"I'll ask again, in hopes that repetition
helps"Fine Chris, I will answer one more time your silly follow
up questions which are repetitive in nature anyways."Are you
suggesting somehow BYU has the option of doing 1 for 1, but instead prefers 1
for 2 to promote the other motives you claim?"I don't know
Chris. We don't know what happens behind closed doors, but it does make
sense considering what BYU wants to accomplish for doing a 2 for 1."Can you not promote those motives with a 1 for 1?"A
little, but why give road fans one game when you can give them 2?"And power programs do this through 1 and 1's.Not power
programs do 1 for 2.Again I ask, Why do a 1 for 2?"How many Alabama fans are there along the Pacific coast? (crickets) a few. How
many Alabama fans are there in the Michigan or the Northeast? (crickets) again a
few. BYU is unique because 99% of BYU fans are Mormon. Not all Mormons are BYU
fans, but almost all BYU fans are. And Mormons are all over. (See next comment
@Mark,No, you jumped around the issue without ANSWERING it.I asked why do a 1 for 2.You said byu has other motives to
accomplish.I ask what motive can't be accomplished with a 1 for
1?I repeat:ALL programs have "motives"And power programs can get 1 for 1's with other power programs.I would like to have a rational discussion.I still await an
ANSWER.Can you do that?Why not pursue your
"motives" while getting 1 for 1's ?LOL
@ Chris B(continuing)BYU have fans all over. Power teams
like Alabama football just want to win football games and have kid's
graduate, there is no other purpose for there existence, so they want to
schedule a 1 for 1. Alabama knows that they hardly will have fans at a USC or a
Nebraska game so why go back twice? BYU has fans everywhere and they want to
reach out to them, what is wrong with that?"You could still
accomplish your "motives" with a 1 for 1 could you not?"Already answered that question when you asked, "Can you not promote those
motives with a 1 for 1?"Chris your follow up questions are
really a re-direction that circles back to the question you originally asked.
You may not like these answers but they are answers directly from your question.
Who is BYU owned by, The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints. When has
the LDS not done something different from the world? So of course BYU is going
to do things differently from the college football world. Hate them or love them
for that is up to you. I love them for that.
Reality check for Utes and Cougar fans. Cougar fan for 45 years, been
goin' to games for 40. The banter and attempt between the two fan bases
here is annoying and nauseating. As a Cougar fan without the blinders on...BYU
in recent past has not done much on the field. I hate leaving home in UT Co. and
coming to work in SLC 13 out of the past 20 years. Cougar fans, we have been
dominated in the last 20. In addition, no ESPN contract or a few big name teams
will match what the Utes have done to us, win 2 BCS bowls and many bowl other
games. Until we beat the Utes AND win big games, we best keep our
"superior" traps shut. We do have nice a history of awards, but a
remote trophy case does us little with one exception...we are recognized as a
decent fan base and ESPN TV ratings are decent. This is why ESPN is working
with us. Rabid Ute fans, you need not be so smug and condescending. I concede
current superiority on the field, but please do honor our history as well.
Respect both schools!
MyPerspective"They (BYU) haven't accomplished anything for
nearly 30 years" So top 25 finishes, 10 win seasons, bowl wins,
winning seasons, don't mean anything? Only BCS wins? Only u fans make this
argument."byu fans are OBSESSED over conference standings and
getting to the big time."Interesting that you speak for all BYU
fans, on a BYU comment board of all places. There are a massive amount of BYU
fans that are happy with independence. u'll see what you want to see."What is byu going to change?"Exactly how many
"special" seasons did it take for utah to get to where they are at? a
lot can happen in two season, especially in college football. So what you are
saying is that utah can change, but BYU can't? That a special season
can't happen to BYU? Interesting argument on a BYU board.The
other questions are meaningless. I am a fan of BYU football. Why would I nash
my teeth and complain about something I have no control over. I watch the games
they give me and cheer for my team, because that is what a fan does.
Chris b"I would like to have a rational discussion."Right.then answer this question...Why do you care what
BYU, a team you despise and claim to have moved on from, has a 2 for 1 or a 1
for 1?I have no problem with 2 for 1, not in the slightest. My team
is still playing, they are on TV where I can see them...and they are
not at the bottom of a conference that does not respect them.No
matter the success the u has I would rather follow and root for BYU or my other
alma maters.And I certainly don't go looking for arguments to
bolster my team on rival comment boards.
Furthermore, if and I say if, there was an invite that included more tolerance
and religious respect from the PC-12, I would jump on it faster than fly on you
know what. I do like being able to play a lot of different teams around the
nation, but believe me, I am glad I am a bowhunter out on the Wasatch front in
November. I could care less about almost all of our previous and upcoming
November games at home. If I am going to freeze my butt of in LES, I am not
going to do it at 8:30 pm watching Idaho State. If it is USC, Utah or Notre
Dame, I will be there in a heartbeat, I also know it will probably be played in
the afternoon on something besides ESPNU. Independence is better in most ways
other than the MWC, but to be honest if we could get into the PAC it would be so
much better for us than the BIG 12. And we blew it there by playing too many
cards without enough hands to hold them. As much as I hate to admit it, Utah
does have it better.
Myprospective"Maybe you really don't care but these boards
are full of byu fans who say otherwise."This is the most
interesting thing you said. It implies...1. You believe that you
need to come to BYU boards to tell BYU fans that they are wrong.2. You
have a need to argue that the u is better, to people who are commenting on thier
teams comment boards. This implies that on some level, you are not sure the u is
better. I don't have to go looking for arguments on u articles, because I
don't care.Of course the BYU boards are full of BYU fans
commenting on THEIR team.What's funny is that I see more u fans
commenting on BYU's conference affiliation then I do BYU fans. There are
BYU fans who defend BYU on Comment boards, but go back and look, in nearly every
case, who starts conversations about BYU and conference affiliation.Don't claim that BYU fans, who are defending their team, say things that
they don't. More than half the "we have a NC and you don't"
comes in defending attacks from u trolls.
And finally last comment and then my rant is through. For nearly 35 of my 45
years of life I have hated and spoken out against the U of U. I was part of the
nauseating dialogue similar to what I see on here. However, my feelings and
attitude have changed. I am doing all I can to want to U to do better because
it brings greater recognition to my home State. I hope the Aggies continue to
improve. To have three in State teams do well would be like Florida, Florida
State and Miami all do well like they almost always do. Great teams, different
conferences that almost always play each other every year. BYU, USU and Utah
will never be those three schools, but wouldn't it be great if we could
build our three teams like that. I now cheer for both my rivals and hope they
do very well. I wish some of the Ute commenters would leave their arrogance and
superiority checked at the keyboard. It is hard, but I did it, hope you can do
the same and you know who you are. Same goes for all Cougar "elitists"
Mark,"why give road fans one game when you can give them
2?"LOLWhy not a 3 for 1 then? 4 for 1? 0 for 1?LOLSpin, spin, spin,
stufoo,"Why do you care what BYU, a team you despise and claim
to have moved on from, has a 2 for 1 or a 1 for 1?"I don't
"care" per say.I just wanted to remind byu fans you
aren't a power program.That's allLOL!
@ Chris B"why give road fans one game when you can give them
2?"LOLWhy not a 3 for 1 then? 4 for 1? 0 for 1?LOLSpin, spin, spin,"Interpretation from
Chris: You have answered the questions I've asked, now I'm going to
mock you for being for all things BYU.Your comment just showed your
true colors Chris. Not that we haven't seen it before, we have seen it many
times with your history on these boards. You don't want answers to your
questions, you just want to mock.
@ekuteExactly. Outside of pac12 teams, of which only a couple can
even remotely be considered "power" programs, that have to schedule utah
because of the conference association, please name 1, just 1, "power
program" that is even considering scheduling utah at all, let alone a 1 and
1?You cannot, none are, none care, none consider utah worthy of even
giving them a game let alone visiting the crackerbox in a return trip. There is
no one out there, no one cares. utah got michigan under the facade of the
big10/pac12 collaboration that died almost as quickly as it was announced when
the big10 realized it offered them nothing. mich scheduled utah thinking it was
getting a jump on that collaboration and rather than having to play usc,
stanford, or oregon, they locked down a pac12 bottom dweller, a truly poor
program, as a preemptive measure. Now they are stuck with them although the
prospect of 2 easy wins has probably kept the series alive.Congratulations?
I've got to side with Chris B on this issue. I'd rather be in the
bottom of the PAC 12 and playing the same quality teams year in and year out
than to be an independent and scheduling with different quality teams from all
over the country. What good comes from all that travel and exposure anyway?
Being in the PAC 12 is way more valuable to the fans than all that moving
around. Go Utes!!
When the Y schedules a great team in a 2 for 1 we get the benefit of playing
that team 3 times over a period of a few years. It creates an intriguing
rivalry that gains national attention rather than just keeping it in a single
conference. 1 for 1's are fine. But the bonus game is always intense.
I'd rather have more 2 for 1's than schedule with the weakling of the
PAC-12. Chris and his cronies are only wishing their school could
have it so good.
@ duckhunterUtah does not have to schedule "power" programs
for non-conference games. Utah's marquee games happen in conference play.
Plus Utah has only three games to schedule, so there is no need to find teams to
play 8-10 years in advance. The Michigan series is going to be great. Games
past 2015 haven't been scheduled yet. And it.s not because nobody is
lining up to play Utah, it's because teams in Utah's position simply
do not need to map out schedules the way BYU does.
@ ekute"If that were true than why doesn't byu just
schedule all of their games on the road?"What good is it to have
a 64,000 capacity stadium when all your games are going to be on the road? Why
build these nice facilities that BYU has when all of it was just a waste? So of
course there going to have home games. As nice as it is for BYU to travel to
bring BYU football to its fans, there are fans in Provo and in the state of Utah
that want to see them too. Right?
@ Chris B"I just wanted to remind byu fans you aren't a
power program."This coming from a fan for a team that had a 5-7
record last year. We are not convinced Chris so no need to waste your energy to
@ MyperspectiveI love 2014's schedule. While there is one more
game yet to be announced (could be a really good neutral site game through ESPN)
and the UCF game hasn't been assigned a date it is a pretty solid one.
Texas and Boise State are the headliners, both away from Provo. UConn, UCF and
Middle Tennesee State are all solid bowl eligible programs.What I
really love about 2014 is all the home schedule. Virginia, Houston, USU, So.
Mississippi, Nevada and UNLV are coming to town. UNLV is the only team on that
list that I would find boring. The other programs have had solid records. 2014 is a much softer year than 2013. However, the schedule is much
better than the last two years. Its better than most of the past twenty years.
I love playing new people.
A great way to share the LDS beliefs isn't just to play in different parts
of the country, but to WIN in different parts of the country...a lot!
Just Wondering...why the Utes wouldn't consider more 2 for 1's with
good teams out of conference? They haven't had much luck getting marque
teams to come to RES? Looking at the home scheudles since 2000, there have only
been three"big time" programs that have visited the hill: Oregon
(2003), Texas A&M (2004) and Pittsburgh (2010). That's three...in 14
seasons? In the same time frame, they had two "one and done's"
with Michgan (2002 and 2008).I know, I know..."but USC has to
come every other year and Oregon and Stanford every four years for a home and
home." Yes, they "have" to come. Do you really think that any of
those programs would be knocking on your door if they could choose? They would
not.Yes, the Utes have Michigan in 2015 and it was a home and home.
That's great. But who else wants to come and play u in SLC? Here are the
other OOC home games on Utah's schedule: Idaho State, Fresno State, Utah
State, Southern Utah, North Dakotah and BYU. Once again, maybe the Utes should
explore some more 2 for 1 opportunities to get some non pac10 teams into RES?
@2ferYou missed the point, purposely. Fail.
The benefit of the 2 for 1 deals that fans have been discussing is this: 2 of
the three games are home and home; that's an equal exchange. The third
game is an away game that, in the series with USC, for example, benefits BYU in
that it strengthens their November schedule AND provides a high profile
opponent. USC benefits, of course, from the extra home game and the extra
ticket sales to BYU fans in SoCal. USC is using its program strength to get a 2
for 1, but BYU is trading the extra away game for the opportunity to schedule
two games in November. Given BYU's unique mission and
challenges for the football program, this is a good arrangement.
Hadley's stache in that picture is sweet.
@ DuckhunterYou asked for an explanation for why there are no power
teams trying to schedule a series with Utah. I gave it to you. Were you
looking for something different?
@ Steven JarvisVirginia was 4-8 last season, Houston was 5-7, UNLV
is always terrible, and So. Miss went 0-12 last season. Also I wouldn't
really call UCONN a bowl eligible program since they have missed a bowl in each
of the past two seasons.
ducky/stoofooJust answer this: Why is it that Utah can schedule a 1
for 1 series with a storied program like Michigan, but BYU has to schedule a 2
for 1 with teams like USC and 1 for none with Michigan, with BYU being on the
short end of the stick?This totally undermines your claim that BYU
is some kind of national, prestigious program.
On one hand they're a national power with a national brand, On the other
hand they have to settle for 2 for 1's for exposure. When was the last time
ND or any member of a major conference agreed to a 2 for 1 with anybody. lol.
@ekuteYou see Mr. ekute... Cougar Nation understands that they are
just like ND...Well... except that ND could join any conference in
the nation with a phone call... and no relevant conference in the country really
wants BYU...Well... and that ND could schedule a 1and 1 with any
team in the country... and BYU has to settle for 2 for 1s.Well...
and also that ND has a scheduling agreement (and could have a scheduling
agreement) with any power conference in the country... and BYU doesn't.Well... and I guess ND has access to the highest tier bowls in the
country... and BYU doesn't.Well... And ND doesn't need
ESPN to help them schedule games... but BYU does.So you see... BYU
is just like ND... well... almost.
@HowieNo BYU fan equates BYU to Notre Dame.So you can put that
"Strawman" to bed.However, BYU is much closer to Notre Dame
than Utah will ever be to BYU.Things BYU has in common with Notre
Dame, which don't existent at Utah.-Unanimous National
Championship-Heisman Trophy-Outland Trophies-Maxwell Trophy-Sammy Baugh Trophies-Super Bowl & NFL MVP's-College Hall
of Famers-An Exclusive television contract with a "Major
Network"Get it? Got it? Good!
@BlutoND = bcsUtah = bcsBYU = mid-majorGot
Memo to Howie...The BCS is "Obsolete".However, the
aforementioned hardware is forever, it's what defines every Legacy Program
with a National Brand..BYU's Football program has achieved College
Football's highest honors.Utah has not.
Bluto is sitting there polishing his 30 year old trophies and thinking...Utah is in a Major Conference...And byu is not...Utah's Seniors have never lost to byu...And byu's
seniors have never beaten Utah...Utah could have a good season and
go to a Major Bowl...And byu could have a good season but will never
go to a Major Bowl..Utah could have a losing season but they will
still be in the Pac12...byu could have a losing season and the
wheels wheel start to wobble on the program...
@BlutoBYUs legacy is about the past... The BCS is about
the is the present... and the college football championship (controlled by the
five power conferences) is about the future... And BYU has no place
in either the present or the future of college football.