Am I really supposed to believe that this "youth movement" is some
carefully crafted strategy of putting together a winning team in a few years?
That would be great if only it were true. No, what is really happening here is
that Jazz ownership and management still haven't figured out a way to keep
the producing talent here once it becomes eligible for free agency. Because of
this, they have opted to run the Jazz like a business, with profit maximization
(rather than winning) as the primary objective. I see ticket prices
continuing to rise, and wins continuing to decline, and in a few years when the
best of these players have some experience and become eligible for free agency,
we will do it all over again.
One way to tell that Jazz spirit is nowhere like 'times gone by', is
when topics like this have no comments. Sure, it's dead sports season
(offseason)+ major sport layoff). And summertime is best served for hangin'
with the kids until we can't wait for school to start again. Unless you are
into the whole 162 game MLB season. But College football is teasing
us. It's far enough away to step back a little. Still, the gridiron comment
boards can taste the crisp fall air, and they see greater participation than
here. Remember when basketball used to be king in Utah (not
forgetting BYU football)? That said, when people talk about dead crowds at the
Hunstman Center, I remind them when I was growing up, the place was at full
capacity with standing room only. And that was present long before Majerus came
around. Under Jerry Pimm (preceeding Archibald), the then 'Special Events
Center' was rockin'. Football reigns supreme nowadays. Now
BYU fans, I know the Marriott Center still gets big time packed. But when the
Cougs were struggling, not long ago, the gym was mellow. Football
fire burns both ways nowadays. How about the rivalry renewal news?
" We needed shooting" - Tell me, Dennis Lindsay, who did the jazz add
that will give us shooting? We gave up Foye, and aren't signing Williams.
Where is the shootnig?
Wow,what a bunch of "the glass is half empty" posters. I've been a
Jazz fan since they came from New Orleans and I'm excited about what's
going on here. I fully embrace everything management is trying to accomplish.
Staying pat meant more years of mediocrity. These changes don't guarantee
success, but at least management is showing they are tired of mediocrity too and
we're swinging for the fences. Keep it up Jazz brass!
@gdogYou're posting at 5:15am (4:15am my time) and citing the lack of
comments as proof that basketball is dead?? Give people time to get up, have a
shower, maybe some breakfast, etc. first!@FatManYes, it's
about winning in the future. The Jazz had two options:1. Continue being a
7-10 team in the West2. Try for something better by rebuildingThey chose option 2. You rebuild by acquiring assets and clearing future cap
space. They've done very well with that in a very short time. They put
themselves in a good position for 2014 which has a much better draft and more,
better free agents.
Larry Miller would fire his son if still alive. At least he tried to put a
winning team on the floor. This GM is the laughing stock of the league. Jazz
will be lucky to win 20 games this year. Oh well at least I will save money by
not buying season tickets.
Bring on the Jazz! This is an exciting time and we'll still have a decent
season this year. Burke will be the pin that holds the future together. Go
@John WicksLarry Miller had Stockton and Malone. Then everyone left
and they weren't good. Then they got Deron Williams and they were good
again. Just going after the same proven pattern.
Brahmabull, Brandon Rush is a 43 Plus career 3 point Shooter. The Average in the
NBA is like 34%. Rush is an awesome piece and is an upgrade over Foye because
Rush is a legit 6'6. Fatman, The Jazz could have kept all
those free agents except for Paul Millsap, who wanted to leave beacause he
believes he is a starting PF and wants steady minutes. leaving the Jazz was a
security move for him. Big Al would have stayed had the Jazz wanted him but the
FO knows that Big Al does not win. Even with all the talent on the roster, Big
Al, as our number one option, could not get us a playoff win. The FO did not
want to be a team fighting for the 8th seed. Plus, the 2014 draft is looking to
be the best draft in 11 years and Maybe the Jazz end up landing Jabari Parker
who would fit well into the Utah Culture because he is Mormon. AS of Now,
ESPN's Chad Ford has him as the 2nd best prospect in the loaded draft.
John, Do you really think being a 41 win team that maybe makes the playoffs to
get ousted in the first round is a good idea? The problem with being a middle of
the pack team is that it is the worst place to be in the league. The Likelyhood
of finding an impact player via the draft is certainly not as high as if you
have a high lottery pick. The NBA is about Stars. You have to have a star to win
and if we suck this next year as the young guys get experience and then get a
star in the stacked 2014 draft, we'll be poised to be a powerhouse team in
the west because Hayward, Kanter, and Favors are all going to be very good. The
Jury is still out on Burke, Gobert, and Burkes. Personally, I do not want to see
us get destroyed by the Spurs again as an 8th seed. I want to actually have a
chance. WE don't want to be the Bucks and compete fot the 8th seed just to
get killed in the first round. Terrible place to be in the NBA: Middle of the
Brandon Rush has a better career 3 point percentage than Foye. The
Spurs tanked a season just to get Tim Duncan. Seems like that worked out for
them.We have potential all stars in Hayward, Favors and Kanter
(Burke and Burks are still unproven.)Why not let the youth run
together and grow. That is exactly what the Thunder did and even though they had
3 losing seasons they are now a top contender every year.Dennis
Lindsey's move for the 3 Warriors players is being touted by NBA writers as
a great off-season move. And everyone knows getting Burke and Gobert was an
incredible move.The Point is, to all you pesimists out there, just
wait, be patient, greatness is on its way!
A true Jazz fan should like what the Jazz are doing. Wasn't everyone
complaining just a few months ago that the young players need more playing time
so they can truly develop? Now they have that chance to develop and become
stars! Taking this chance is way better than seeking mediocrity in the West like
we have been doing the last couple of years. And a shot at a big time player in
next years draft is exciting too.
The idea that the Jazz are going to jack up the prices and not try to field a
competitive team is laughable. That would not be running it like a business. To
get revenue the team must be competitive. This is how to do it - build a team
from the ground up rather than plug in washed up vets every offseason. I applaud
the Jazz for being willing to go through the growing pains necessary to build a
contending team rather than competing for 7-10 in the West.
The Jazz would be touting their acumen and intelligence if they had acquired a
shooter like Foye for a second rounder in the future..they probably should. I
wish they had got something so good for so little then I could understand some
of the sizzle I read about.Somebody mentioned that Jefferson could
not win with all the talent Jazz had. Truth be known when Deron was here he
told Al he would be an all star and most likely that would have been the
case.After Deron the pg's that came and went were all concerned
about getting their numbers to keep their jobs. Instead of acquiring pieces
that can play with Jefferson the Jazz tossed the baby with the bath water.I am sure the NBA centers from NY, Boston, Spurs, OK, Clippers, Lakers,
Heat, Indiana, NJ etc will respect what Utah is trying to do and take it easy on
the team.I do see the new pg is struggling in the summer league,
can't wait to see how the Jazz expect win with a rookie at the helm. Even
Deron who was ahead of burkes had to learn for a year or two.
Incredible work Dennis. While nobody knows how the young guys will turn out,
think of this. Without giving up ANY assets of value Dennis drafted
the best point guard in the draft (according to him) the defensive center he
would have taken at 21, an excellent point in the second round then GOT FIVE
DRAFT PICKS FOR TAKING ON EXPIRING CONTRACTS THEY NEEDED TO HAVE ANYWAY!!! That
Brandon Rush is a perfect fit is just gravy. The only way to make this better
is to have GS just miss the playoffs and win the lottery giving us the first
After watching Neto play, I'm convinced the Jazz will try to get him over
here this year. He will have to buy his way out of his contract, but that's
certainly doable. I was impressed with his "coolness" under pressure and
his ability to read the open lanes, make passes, shoot and keep his dribble
alive. He's a keeper and is likely to end up playing ahead of Burke, at
least in the short term.
By the end of last season, I was really done watching the team dump the ball to
Big Al, scooting over to the opposite side of the court and watching him do his
several fakes and then shoot, sometime over two or three players, or Foye or Mo
taking way too early or too late in the clock 3pt shots; and then none of these
players playing defense on the other side of the court. I'm
much more excited about this season than last season. I am also ok with a
losing record given the experience that the young core 4 will get, which will be
needed to properly determine their contract value starting next year for Favors
and Hayward and whether to keep them long term. If they struggle, the Jazz get
a great lottery pick in one of the best drafts in over a decade! It worked for
both OKC and the Spurs. If they surprise and do well, even with their
inexperience, then we'll all be happy. Fans have to think more long term
than this upcoming season alone.
@Doug10you don't build a team on a one way player...Big Al...is
and never will be a franchise player...he has the tools and is an excellent
player on the block...but much like boozer...a liability on defense...do you
think franchise players are only good offensively?...do you think guys that win
championships dont play D?...if you are thinking that if you surround a guy like
Big Al...would win us a championship...then you are just looking at a 6-8 seed
team that will be out in the first or 2nd round...He may get his chance with the
bobcats...but they are lacking shooters...@BrahmabullRush is a pretty good shooter...but you may have a point that we still lack
capable shooters...at least one or two more would be nice...but i have been
pulling for the Jazz to get rush...since CJ Miles was still with the team...but
i do think we need 1 more PG and at least 1 more deep threat...Alan Anderson
and/or Anthony Morrow...i think they still dont have teams yet....for PG
there's Udrih and Tinsley...
The Jazz starting 5 is NOT a concern other than maybe PG. Hopefully T.Burke
will pick it up fast. The problem area will be our bench. It will be scary
when we have Biedrins/Gobert, Rush, Jefferson, Evans & McNeal (or Tinsley?)
on the court. No scorers. I project 25-29 wins this year. 30-35 will mean we
are doing great in the rebuild project and more then that is just dreaming.