Im so sorry! Prayers for his family, my sons just returned from scout camp, I
will hug them a little tighter today. I hope you can find comfort durning this
incredibly difficult time.
This is a nightmare and the family is going to need a lot of support. So very
sad that something so fun as a scout camp can turn so tragic.
This is so sad and tragic. My heart goes out to his family and friends.I
am not sure that grief counselors are really required. Not sure what they do.
What is the difference between a grief counselor and a minister or pastor of LDS
Bishop?What they really need is an understanding of the Gospel of
Jesus Christ and the assurance that this life is not the end. They need a hope
that one day we will all be reunited in the eternities. I could be
wrong but my gut reaction to a grief counselor is that they are a poor
substitute for a minister in a world that views religion with disdain. The use
grief counselors in schools in stead of ministers because of supreme court
rulings.The family needs our prayers now more than anything else.
I am saddened by this family's tragic, needless loss, as well. Is no one
outraged by the ongoing number of children who are lost, drowned, or fatally
injured on these scouting trips? If this were happening in the public school
system there would be calls for discipline, legal charges, lawsuits, and
firings. While grief counseling is a good idea, training and supervision on how
to behave around heavy equipment would have prevented the tragedy. Part of
teaching boys to be responsible men is demonstrating respect and care around
powerful, dangerous machinery. Learning to recognize danger in seemingly
harmless situations is a major component of such teaching. I am so sorry that
yet another parent has to suffer the consequences of scout leaders who refuse to
take the necessary measures to provide a safe experience for children. Time to
re-evaluate the program, or end it.
This just makes my heart break. Since when do scouts do anything without a buddy
along side of him. Itdoesn't matter if he was a counselor in training
having a second person could of warned the scout or the driver before it
happened. 8 pm at night and he's alone? What are his leaders thinking? It
can't be stressed enough Buddy System.My prayers are with
his family may they find peace and comfort.
re: The RockI believe the grief counselors mentioned in the article
that are coming in are for the other 400 - 500 participants at the camp, not the
family. There may quite frankly be youth and adults there who don't belong
to a specific religion and are uncomfortable going to a local minister, pastor,
rabbi, bishop, etc. There may be others at camp who might need some coaching
from a counselor to guide them to share their feelings with their local
religious leader. I don't think grief counselors present themselves as
replacements to religious counsel, but as an additional help.
"Scouts are Scouts and they are prepared to do what needs to be done. Camp
staff are prepared to continue on and provide great service," Pack said.My favorite quote of the article. Translation - Lets sweep this under
the rug as quick as possible. We have had enough bad media about us lately so
we need to get past this as quick as possible.These "boys"
are Scouts, not Marines, and you say "they are prepared to do what needs to
be done" Are you kidding me, they are earning Merit Badges, they are
prepared to do what they need to do, they are prepared to look past this kids
death so they can get their Basket Weaving Merit Badge...Really? Scouts is a
racket and a farce and Mr. Pack just said more to assure us of that with his
re: JoyI didn't read anything in the article that indicated
this young man was alone. Yes, Buddy System is extremely important although not
a 100% deterent to accidents. I don't believe making assumptions of
incorrect actions are appropriate here.
Thoughts and prayers go out to this family, and all others involved. May they
feel the comfort they are seeking.I'm a therapist and trained
grief counselor. Sometimes there is a place and need for both an ecclesiastical
leader and a trained professional. Grief work and recovery from crisis is
something that has been studied and hopefully made better for the past few
decades. The two support systems (faith and professional crisis support) can
actually work very well together in providing what affected people need at a
time like this - understanding and comfort. Again, love and prayers to all who
This is very tragic for this family. I am so very sorry for them my heart
breaks. Scouting is a wonderful thing for boys in helping their parents
while teaching them to become men. The news seldom tells us when these
young men do something good, there are millions of little acts of service done
every year by Boy Scouts that go totally unnoticed. That is not news, it is
expected and regular. The dirty happy tired sore Scouts full of fun
stories and silly songs, that came home to our house after a long camp is not
news. It happens every week all summer long and for the Mountain Man and the
Klondike. Only tragedies are news worthy. So very sad.
This is very tragic news. However, what is also tragic is to hear some on this
feed calling for the end of scouting. To end scouting is to end boyhood. I have
seen more positive come from scouting than all of the negative press. I have
been a scout leader for years and have seen boys grow up to become great men.
Scouting is necessary in this world and I personally gain a great deal of
satisfaction and joy from serving. Improvement is needed in any organization,
but let's be careful not to cut off our nose to spite our face and kill
something extremely useful to the lives of many boys. I need good, positive
causes/programs/organizations in this world, even with their failings.
This is such a tragic story. I am an Eagle Scout, and have the highest respect
for scouting. For someone to call scouting "a racket and a farce" based
on one isolated incident is also tragic. That's not a very big sample size
for such a judgment. I agree with "What they really need is an understanding
of the Gospel of Jesus Christ and the assurance that this life is not the end.
They need a hope that one day we will all be reunited in the eternities."
But, how many 14-year-olds have a perfect knowledge of this? A loving Heavenly
Father gives most of us many more than 14 years to learn this. He has also
provided us with many resources to help us develop such knowledge, not just
spiritual leaders. In some cases, professional counselors can help in
fulfilling divine purposes.
I was a scout master for over 15 years and these young men become like one of
your own sons. My prayers go to the family and the scout leaders of the troop.
In all the leadership training that I have been involved with the
greatest concern is the safety and well being of the young men. I have never
been to a camp where the staff has taken safety light hearted. It
is a sad incident that happen here. The scout master and other leaders of this
young man need to be in our prayers also. It is like having the lost of your
own son to them.
I agree with UtahBruin and while we all grieve with this family and pray for
their comfort, I think the scouting organization and the church needs to enhance
their safety measures for both the scouts and the leaders. Too often I see
Young Men leaders with this same attitude, i.e., "Scouts are Scouts and they
are prepared to do what needs to be done." and they are too cavalier in
their safety procedures and too lax in their supervision.I have two
Eagle Scouts and am very grateful for a cautious, non-adventurous scoutmaster
who was genuinely concerned for the scouts and was not one to, "let the boys
be boys."I would hope the church, as the primary sponsor of the
BSA would call for much, much more stringent training for the scoutmasters and
the leaders that they "call" to these positions and even require formal
certification and training, not just casual ward oversight, for both the leaders
and the scout facilities where they will participate.
I too was worried when my son started scouting. My husband made sure he was at
all camp outs. Problem solved. Accidents happen, people, and this was an
accident. If you're worried about what happens in scouting, become
involved. Scouting can use more parent volunteers.
I am so, so sorry. I pray for the sweet spirit of the Lord upon your family as
you struggle to work through this great loss.
UtahBruin and Midwest MomBefore passing judgment, you should get
more facts than a short article provides. You don't know the intent of the
comment that was made. Perhaps he meant Scouts are prepared to continue moving
forward, not boys will be boys. Scouting is not a farce and a racket. I have
three sons that are Eagle Scouts and it's been a great benefit to them.
I've worked with many young men in the scouting program and it's made
a positive difference in their lives. Scout leaders are formally
trained and I guarantee you scout leaders aren't taking safety lightly.
It's the first thing you're trained on. Stop using an
incident like this to promote your agendas or pass judgment when you
weren't there. 40,000 people die in North America every year in car
accidents. Shall we cancel driving or just continue to work to make it
safer?This is absolutely tragic and the focus here should be the
family's loss. And, continue to make scouting safer.
My deepest sympathy and prayers for the family, loved ones, friends and
neighbors of this young man's untimely death.I really wish
people would find a better way to exercise than jumping to conclusions and
running people down. None of us were there when the accident happened; let the
authorized authorities do their investigating and come out with their report.
I know that he truly enjoyed being involved in the Scouts. I am one of his first
cousins. I have so many wonderful memories from when he was little. I remember
when he was born (always such a cute little guy!). Rocky was one of the
sweetest souls I have ever known and our entire family is grieving. I do find
some comfort in knowing that our family will see him again, but I am saddened by
our loss and will miss him terribly until we too are called home to the Lord.
Rocky was always so helpful and constantly maintained a positive outlook on
life. Our family all saw each other three weeks ago at our Rhiddlehoover family
reunion, and I am so thankful for the time I was able to spend visiting with him
then. I am very proud of my Aunt and Uncle for raising him to be the fine young
man he had become. We love you so much, buddy and you will be missed by us all.
I pray for the strength and peace that his parents, siblings, and the rest of
our family will need to endure this loss. He was so well loved!!!
As my wife prepares to leave home tonight for her brothers funeral. It truely
saddens me some of the comments,that some people choose to post without thought
or regard.They choose instead to make a political statement or some belief that
in their hearts they believe true. To be honest it is all I can do to be civil!
Let me tell you about my brother-n-law,the scout,the student,the son.My
point is no one here, truely knows what happened,but some want to use this to
bash scouting.I will not say exactly what has been told to the family,but I will
say all of the excuses or reasons you say could have prevented this is wrong! I
am not a religious person per say,I have seen the worst in mankind from my time
in service. Tonight I pray not only for Rock and my family,but for the other
young men that was there who witnessed it and the person driving the truck. We
will see Rock again one day on the high ground,so we can finish that last game
Do people really believe all accidents are preventable? Accident means just
that, as unforeseen occurrences are simply part of the experience of life.
Tragic, oh yes, but it is foolish to think all accidents are preventable. There
is much about this tragedy that we don't know nor will we every know.
Falls occur to every one of us and to even suggest they are all due to improper
safety measures is a little over the top. The Boy Scouts of America has always
emphasized safety of the boys first and still does. It was an accident.
There really are some articles that maybe the dn should consider not having a
comment board for.
I am glad, that as hard as it must be, we have heard from family members here.
Thank you for your comments, and God bless you.I agree with oddman and
others: This was an accident and could just as easily have happened anywhere.
It's not anyone's fault, especially not the young man, the Scout
leaders and the program.Prayers for peace for this young man's
family, the driver of the truck, and all those at the camp.
This was just a tragic accident. The Scout did what he wanted to do in service
of others, even with the removal of trash, so he should be honored for his
efforts. We will all die in one way or another. Rocky just happened to
leave this earth this way. Condolences to the family and fellow scouts.
@ReneeBetcher - What a great opportunity to have participated in with the family
reunion and visiting with Rocky. That's a memory to treasure.
If you look at the thousands of boys who participate in Scouting every year the
amount of deaths during Scout camps or activities is very rare. I think boys who
are just hanging out goofing around without purpose are in more danger than a
boy who is serving at a scout camp. My son was walking to the library the other
day and was hit by a car in a cross walk at a stop sign. The driver wasn't
paying attention. If I looked at things like Midwest Mom I would have to stop
allowing my child to walk a few blocks to the library. Also the leaders'
desire to continue the camp doesn't mean they are trying to sweep things
under the rug. They want the boys to have a good experience at the camp despite
the tragedy. And you can bet they are looking at ways to make things safer in
this situation of having the boys pick up trash. You can't always predict
what will happen until it does. I am grateful for Scouting and the role it has
played and is playing in my sons' growth into men.
He was the camp counselor for our troop, they're all devastated at this
accident. Prayers to the family.
"He slipped and fell underneath the tires of the trailer that was carrying
the trash," he said."I went bike riding with another bishop
here in Cedar Hills and he told me it was rule #1 in his ward that you NEVER
ride on a trailer at scout camp. He said there had been other close calls in the
past and thus the rule was enforced in their ward. I just think some
things are common sense and having kids riding on trailers should be a no no.
Having said this I'm certain the leaders of the ward feel horrible and are
devastated. God bless this poor family with the loss of their young son.