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Utah AD Chris Hill says Utes to play BYU in 2017 and at end of 2018 football season, pending approval

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  • SCUte Rock Hill, SC
    July 9, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    Glad that this game is back on the board - no more need to read mindless posts. Now the scoreboard can do the talking - Numbers don't lie! Go Utes!

  • RedBlood Bountiful, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    I suppose Dr. Hill needed a nice distraction from other recent Utah athletic news!

    This news isn't deserving of too much hype. We shouldn't ever allow Dr. Hill to bring us to a point where we're grateful that he is 'willing' to schedule in-state football games with our rivals. It 99% of BYU and Utah fans want it, of course Dr. Hill should do it. It's the right thing to do and he shouldn't be getting a pat on the back for it.

    Thank-you, Dr. Holmoe, for having the patience to wait for Dr. Hill to come around and 'finally' decide that he ought to do what he should have done a LONG LONG time ago. Isn't ironic that Dr. Hill holds the press conference and takes the credit.

    A fantastic game and rivalry lives on. Go Utes!

  • Suhyun Ogden, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    fairly significant announcement for the University and it comes by.....youtube?
    hope it is a sign that the series will continue and that the game will be played at the end of the year in perpetuity.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    Hill should demand a 2 for 1. They'd take it too.

    Go Utes

    2013 Seniors going for perfect 4-0 sweep over former rival byu

    LOL

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:11 p.m.

    This has become our yearly "gimme" game.

    all schools have at least 1 or 2 "gimme" games

    And this is ours.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:18 p.m.

    Good news.

  • MacNasty Rexburg, ID
    July 9, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    Chris B

    This has become our yearly "gimme" game.

    That's right, the Cougs are going to give you and your PAC-thetic Utes a loss which will add to another ignominious losing season for our little bros up on the hill.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    July 9, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    No!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    This doesn't make a whole lot of sense for BYU in their efforts to enhance and strengthen their November schedule. Scheduling the 11th place team from the pac 12 just doesn't seem like it accomplishes that goal.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 9, 2013 1:37 p.m.

    Gotta love u fans that not only speak for BYU football, but now speak for their AD, as well.

    Obviously utah couldn't get a 2 for 1. End of discussion, unless its the u fan's/ BYU hater ego they are trying to bolster, then they will continue to argue even though their AD couldn't get it done.

    Funny that u fans think that since they have beaten BYU recently, that BYU won't start a winning streak of their own. OK so since u believe that is true...

    ASU will always own u
    USC will always own u
    UCLA will always own u
    UofA will always own u
    UW will always own u.

    oh and USU will always own u.

    See how stupid it is to claim victory in a game that changes every year?

    It is also hilarious that u fans think that since they have "arrived" that they now garner respect without results.

    Do teams in the PAC respect u, not in the slightest. Do the national media pay homage to u, nope. Do he odd makers in Vegas? loosing bet.

    2 for 1, hardly.

    Gimmie? Lame comment. KVN is coming.

  • idaho cougar fan Twin Falls, ID
    July 9, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    Happy to see the series continue. Go Cougs!

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 9, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    I wish this rivalry would go away.

    I wish it would die a sudden and complete death never to be heard from again.

    I would much rather play a series with USU, their fans can talk trash and still be objective, fun, spirited and classy.

    Something u fans/BYU haters fail at miserably.

    I've said it before...

    utah bragging about being in the PAC 12 is like a candy bar that is made out of raw cabbage being proud of the wrapper.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    July 9, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    I guess all that Y'ning from Tom Holmoe has paid off! I'm sure Chris Hill had to throw him a bone to help with their scheduling.

  • Chris A Salt Lake , UT
    July 9, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    Chris B

    You sure talk a lot for someone who cheers for a 5-7 team. Only a Ute fan could be so loud when the team is so bad.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    @Duckhunter
    "Scheduling the 11th place team from the pac 12 just doesn't seem like it accomplishes that goal."

    They were 9th out of 12 last year and that was their less productive year of the two. Maybe you should focus more on learning to count.

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    July 9, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Even without the gimmie game the next two years, the U will still win 5 games.

  • Cougsrock original Maricopa, Az
    July 9, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    Chris B. Tom Holmoe "There are probably a half a dozen teams we will accept 2 for 1". Trust me Chris B., the Utes aren't one of them.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    So much for the notion that Utah's Pac-12 affiliation should be able to command a 2 for 1 deal to continue the series with BYU...haha!

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:16 p.m.

    Why? Why would Utah who went undefeated in '04 and '08 and invitees of a prestigious BCS conference and are on the brink of playing in the PAC-12 championship game every year choose to play an Indy-WACky team? It doesn't make sense.

  • EarlOfHemsley Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    These comment boards are hilarious! Always good for a laugh. Thanks guys!

  • ArgoFY Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    @ Chris A
    "Only a Ute fan could be so loud when the team is so bad."

    And only a Y fan could attempt to talk trash when their team rarely beats a "bad" U team.

  • Rob of NV Las Vegas, NV
    July 9, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    Nice to have UT back on the schedule. However, I could take or leave this series. Not being from UT, the rivalry was never that to me - it was just another game on the schedule. BYU would be better off with their continued scheduling of different universities around the country. Interesting how after BYU scheduled Nov games with USC, that Utah, all of a sudden, can schedule BYU in Nov with approval. Makes you wonder if we (the fans) were not told the whole truth about UT scheduling BYU as they transitioned to the Pac 12.

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    Actually it was Dr. Hill who had the patience to wait on decisions at BYU. While the brethren were deciding whether to continue BYU football at all and by extension give Bronco a new 3 year deal the U had to wait and see if there was even going to be a football program in the future at Provo. When that issue was put to rest at the BYU media day then the U could get serious about scheduling BYU again.

  • Noodlekaboodle Poplar Grove, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    Glad this is back. Hopefully the 2018 game at the end of November means the game will be played at the end of the year where it belongs from now on. Go Cougars.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    July 9, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    Don't care........

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    The only problem with renewing the rivalry is that Utah is likely to continue to see this game as a make or break for their season. I really wish they could focus on something bigger, like maybe the Rose Bowl. 1-11 with a win over BYU is not better than 11-1 with a loss to BYU. It's time to get past that type of thinking. Time to leave BYU in the dust.....and do it on the field (by beating other Pac 12 schools). Mere membership in a conference just doesn't do it!

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 9, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Maybe it's time for BYU to pull out of the series.

    Seriously, though, this game no longer benefits either BYU or Utah, it's just time it goes away.

  • Chris A Salt Lake , UT
    July 9, 2013 2:52 p.m.

    ArgoFY

    I said nothing of being a Y fan. I may very well be a USU, Boise, or even a Alabama fan for all you know. Typical Ute fan assuming. Go Utes 5-7!

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    July 9, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Who started the idea that being able to demand a 2 for 1 had to do with conference affiliation? Being in a certain conference doesn't make you good or bad. Players get drafted because of the name on the back, not the one on the front. Utah's next 2 for 1 demand might come from a conference opponent.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 9, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    A couple of comments and questions . . .

    1. Hate to disappoint, but a 2 for 1 will not happen with U. Check your ego.
    2. I concede, the Utes have had the upper hand the last decade, but U have not "owned" us. Most of the games have been very close, with many of them coming down to the final play. If Riley doesn't fumble in 2012 or we make a FG, U lose. In 2010, if Bradley takes a knee after the interception or the refs don't blow the call or Burton gets blocked, U lose.
    3. Win or Lose these have been some of the most exciting games I've seen. Even on the losing end, I go back and watch youtube highlights regularly.
    4. Most think the hiatus will mellow the rivalry. Huh? The 2017 game may be the most intense game ever.
    5. Finally, both fans are right. Neither school "needs" the rivalry game. Both will survive just fine without it. But as a fan, I love the game, especially because they've been such close games.
    6. I'm hoping 2018 will match an undefeated Utes team against the undefeated Cougs with the playoff on the line.

  • Uncle Rico Provo, UT
    July 9, 2013 3:41 p.m.

    BYU talks before the game

    Utah celebrates after the game

    BYU players curse after the game

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 9, 2013 3:52 p.m.

    I'm sure this comment never sees th light off day.

    Chris Hill needed to look at the forest from the trees on this. The main reason to drop byU is not scheduling, SOS ect...

    The main reason is to shed the assoication/stigma of being a mormon school. National recruiting will never reach its true potential simply because of this connection to bYu.

    A dissapointing day to be a Utah fan.

  • Don't Feed the Trolls Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 3:54 p.m.

    This article is a Troll Magnet.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 9, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    I, like stufoo, wish the rivalry would go away. But my reasons are different. Utah has nothing to gain and everything to lose by playing BYU.

    If the Utes win, then all we hear is that they were supposed to, being in the PAC 12. We also are bombarded with excuses, such as "the Utes were lucky to recover 5 fumbles," "BYU gave the game away, the Utes did not earn it," etc.

    And if the Utes lose, then all we hear from BYU fans is that Utah shouldn't be in the PAC 12, and they're (BYU's) program is better, etc.

    Dr. Hill, please let these last two games you've allowed Holmoe to talk you into playing, be the last.

  • wyoute Worland, WY
    July 9, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    Duck Hunter cracks me up. Always good to schedule a team you cant beat at the end of year. May be the toughest game on your schedule, even if we are no. 11 in pac.

  • sockpuppet Provo, UT
    July 9, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    This whole independence thing just isn't working out. I'm so tired of playing teams like Idaho, New Mexico St, and Utah in November.
    Haaha seriously though, I for one am excited for our rivalry to resume at it's proper time of year.
    Cougars are on the rise, and Utes are about to get their feet back under them and make some noise in the PAC. Come 2018, both teams should be top 15 caliber heading into November.
    Can't wait, and GO COUGARS!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 4:50 p.m.

    I'm happy to see the games being scheduled but would prefer seeing a Texas team on the schedule each year.
    While out on the road recruiting, Utah needs to be able to point to games on the schedule that will be close to Mom and Dad. Considering Utah's Texas recruiting efforts, any game in Texas will be a welcome site on a yearly basis.

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    July 9, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    I.was really hoping that they would stop playing each other. It is too heated of a game.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 9, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    An out of conference cupcake for the Utes.

    It's good to have a guaranteed win out of conference.

    Go Utes.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 9, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    Duck & Chris A.

    Yet BYU still can't beat the lower echelon of the PAC12.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    The games are pending approval. If it's my approval their waiting on - IT JUST WON'T HAPPEN!

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    This doesn't make a whole lot of sense for BYU in their efforts to enhance and strengthen their November schedule. Scheduling the 11th place team from the pac 12 just doesn't seem like it accomplishes that goal.

    ---------

    The 11th place PAC-12 team is the team you beat by 40 at LES last season.
    The team that's is offering you a BCS November game OWNED you by 40 at LES.

    I think even you can see the difference.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 9, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    CFIT,

    You seem like a nice guy and I can't argue with your post except all the IFs in your point #2. Lets turn the tables and see how this suits you.

    IF Burton doesn't let Collie get behind him on 4th and 18, if Weddle doesn't leave Harline all alone in the end zone, if Sylvester deflects Hall's OT pass to George.... then Utah is 11-0 against BYU.

    Point is BYU has been lucky and won close games too. Bottom line... 8-3 constitutes owning

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 9, 2013 5:22 p.m.

    I thought Utah was afraid of BYU? Glad to see the rivalry contiue. Then again, even when Utah beat's BYU, they are still not the better team. At least to the folks down south. Head to head games mean nothing to many BYU fans. Kinda odd when you think about it.

    GO UTES!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 9, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    CougFaninTX

    Well said. Couldn't agree with you more. Always appreciate intelligent posts.

    Go Utes!!

  • brownderby Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 5:50 p.m.

    Just wondering. Why is it always "Dr" Chris Hill? I don't remember ever seeing articles referencing Dr. Glen Tuckett or Dr. LaVell Edwards. All three have PhD degrees, but it is apparently the way for Chris Hill to somewhat overcome his insecurities.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 9, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    @CougFaninTX

    If Riley doesn't fumble in 2012 or we make a FG, U lose.

    -----------

    Let me say this again, Utah was up 24-7 going into the 4th and we NEVER trailed in the game. The FG would have only tied it.

    We won despite almost giving away another game to BYU (Harline, 4&18, George):

    Fumbling at our own 14 in the 4th
    And a bogus penalty on a blocked FG on the MUSS

  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    July 9, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Glad to see that cooler heads prevailed and the rivalry will continue.

    Despite the over-inflated egos of some of the kids on the hill, there was never any realistic chance that BYU would schedule anything other than a home-and-home with Utah.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 9, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    "Actually it was Dr. Hill who had the patience to wait on decisions at BYU. While the brethren were deciding whether to continue BYU football at all and by extension give Bronco a new 3 year deal the U had to wait and see if there was even going to be a football program in the future at Provo. When that issue was put to rest at the BYU media day then the U could get serious about scheduling BYU again."

    Dutchman,

    Do you seriously believe that BYU might have dropped the football program altogether? Do you really believe that Utah was waiting on BYU before scheduling?

    According to Tom Holmoe, BYU has always been fully committed to continuing the rivalry and has been waiting on Utah. According to Chris Hill, Utah was having trouble seeing how they could put together a winning season with BYU on their schedule that year, plus scheduling stipulations from the PAC. Those sides of the story, along with this article and announcement, are completely consistent with each other. To think that Utah was waiting on BYU is only a conspiracy theory (at least other conspiracies have evidence).

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    July 9, 2013 6:15 p.m.

    Just to remind people of the last 10 years:

    September 15, 2012– Salt Lake City Utah 24, BYU 21
    September 17, 2011– Provo Utah 54, BYU 10
    November 27, 2010– Salt Lake City Utah 17, BYU 16
    November 28, 2009– Provo BYU 26, Utah 23 (OT)
    November 22, 2008– Salt Lake City Utah 48, BYU 24
    November 24, 2007– Provo BYU 17, Utah 10
    November 25, 2006– Salt Lake City BYU 33, Utah 31
    November 19, 2005– Provo Utah 41, BYU 34 (OT)
    November 20, 2004– Salt Lake City Utah 52, BYU 21
    November 22, 2003– Provo Utah 3, BYU 0

    That is Utah 7 wins (3 by blowout, 4 narrow); BYU 3 wins (all narrow, with games now called "Answered Prayer" and "Magic Happens")

    It is BYU that needs the game more than Utah, but I am glad they are working on future games, including a possible game at the end of the year.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    "It looks like in 2017 we'll be playing in the early part of September, and in an unusual situation in 2018, we'll be playing the last game of the year.

    "This is an opportunity for us to help the league by making sure that nobody has to play 12 games in a row. ... That gives us an opportunity to play BYU at the end of the year. ..."

    So, Dr. Hill needs to help out the league by scheduling an OOC game in November 2018. The perfect solution...just call byu because they are STARVING for someone to give them a game especially in November. Looks to me like Utah is using byu...as it should be. LOL!

    Holmoe can now start working on a bye for the 2018 game.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    July 9, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    yourlackofperspective

    BYU plays Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Nevada in November, THIS YEAR, with USC two Thanksgiving weekend games against USC already scheduled.

    Despite the lack of vision on the hill, BYU's November schedule will be just fine.

  • BigCougFan Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    Oh great, now we're back to padding our schedule with bottom of the P12 utah again.

  • El Chango Supremo Rexburg, ID
    July 9, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    This game should be the last regular season game of the year, every year!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    talkinsports

    "Despite the lack of vision on the hill, BYU's November schedule will be just fine."
    __________

    This is true, as long as you don't mind the fact that you won't be playing any quality HOME games in November.

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:21 p.m.

    Dutchman

    LOL at your delusional, crimson-colored pipe dream about "the brethren" even considering such utter nonsense as BYU doing away with football. The truth is Chris Hill took a break from playing BYU because he didn't think the Utes were good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the same year (Hill's own words).

    Uteology

    The team that you pretend is so dominant is extremely lucky that they didn't lose 3 of the last 4.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    July 9, 2013 8:29 p.m.

    @ Mike Johnson

    "Just to remind people of the last 10 years:"

    Seven great games that all could have gone either way if one or two plays go differently. Seriously, would U rather watch the Utes beat up on Northern Colorado or watch a great, nail-biter rivalry game?

    Unlike the two previous decades where BYU completely dominated, these have been great games. That's what's turned it into a real rivalry.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:35 p.m.

    motorbike

    BYU plays Texas, Utah, Georgia Tech, and Boise State at home this season. Except for Utah, most BYU fans would prefer to play their most exciting home games in September and October.

    The only interesting home game the Utes have to look forward to this season after mid-October is ASU.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 9, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    Venture outside of The Bubble for a moment and think about it, realistically....Other than the rivalry aspect of it w/its long-standing tradition, the game amounts to a no-win scenario for us going forward.

    If we win, it's business-as-usual and expected....In reality, very few people outside of the state/our respective fanbases, IF any whatsoever, care in the least about The Holy War....But if we lose, it gets viewed no different than how losing to usu last season was viewed--Losing to a mid-major program....Again, it's a no-win scenario for us.

    Furthermore, there's ZERO benefit to us, recruiting-wise....We already have an unbreakable stranglehold on in-state recruiting, utterly DOMINATE it, actually....Again, it's a no-win scenario for us.

    [Cont'd]

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 9, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    I know which [MIS]interpretation 2-Star byu fan CHOOSES to believe regarding FSU, namely that we're somehow looking for a game which some may view [MYOPICALLY so, mind you] as being a more certain win for us....I could argue that FSU is in fact putting a better product onto the field today than 2-Star byu is, but which team is more formidable has ZERO to do with our motivation in scheduling them....They've been strategically scheduled exclusively for its benefit to us in recruiting....It's 1 more game potential recruits can point to in being able to play in front of their family/friends [NO, we don't play each CA PAC-12 opponent in CA, ANNUALLY--In 2015, when we play at FSU, we're only scheduled to play at USC and, IF they remain on our schedule [which automatically rotates every 2 years] as expected, we'll also play at Stanford....Potentially, since we played them at home this last season, should CAL rotate back onto our schedule, we might play at CAL, as well....However, only at USC is a certainty as of today, NOTHING further].

    [Cont'd]

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    11th place team? Doesn't help enhance schedule?

    Well of course not... especially when you've been dominated by said team over the last decade...

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    July 9, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    hedgehog - I was starting to miss you, until your comment showed up today.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    talkinsports
    Swoop

    You obviously haven't seen byu's 2014 schedule...it's no better than 2010. Holmoe will take anything he can get...hence the 2 for 1 deal he's about to enter with Utah.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Swoop

    "The only interesting home game the Utes have to look forward to this season after mid-October is ASU."
    _______

    First of all, I'm not saying BYU doesn't have a good overall schedule this year (no comment on the last two). And as I mentioned, as long as BYU fans don't mind not having any good home games in November then you'll all be fine with how things are working out. Sounds like you personally don't mind... I'm happy for you.

    As for you returning my comment with a comment about Utah's own November home schedule this year... well yeah, we won't always have an awesome home schedule in November, but odds are good it will almost always trump an Independent BYU November home schedule.

    Sorry, just calling it how it is. I just think it would be a bit depressing as a true fan to not get to see a really great season culminate with some big and important home games late in the year. But that's just me I guess.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    July 9, 2013 9:32 p.m.

    2-for-1 doesn't make financial sense for the Utes. RES is like a Utah high school football stadium in comparison to LES.

    Go Cougs!

    PS- Stanford.....Holmoe better make an announcement with two 1's in it on that one.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 9, 2013 9:50 p.m.

    USC 2-1, opportunity to play in front of all those So Cal recruits. Games in November.

    Stanford, 3 game series, even if it is a 2-1, play in California, November games.

    Utah, 1-1, if they get permission.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    July 9, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    motorbike

    Don't count your scheduling chickens before they hatch. Utah was supposed to play pre-season national championships contender USC in 2012 and ended up losing to a 7-6 team that got thumped in the Sun Bowl by a team that BYU destroyed on the road.

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012 and finished with a bowl win and an 8-5 record, #26 in Sagarin.

    Utah played TWO Top 25 teams and finished with a losing 5-7 record and no bowl, #61 in Sagarin.

    Colorado was supposed to be Utah's big new PAC 12 rival, yet how excited are Utah fans, honestly, to end every season against a 10+ loss team?

    If the Utes were serious about wanting to end their season with an exciting game EVERY year, they'd petition the PAC 12 to switch the Colorado game to September so the Utes could play their traditional rival BYU every November. Then Colorado could end their regular season against their traditional rival Colorado State. A win-win for all four teams.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    July 9, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    How is the home and home set up? Is it BYU at home in September(17) or in November(18)?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    July 9, 2013 10:03 p.m.

    Glad to see the rivalry will continue and both ADs have been working and having discussions to ensure it continues (unlike many ute trolls who know who they are..uh hum Nav vet, AZUTE...have suggested by saying only Holmoe was discussing or begging for it). In the end neither team NEEDS the rivalry, but the fans obviously want it so I'm glad the programs care about their respective fanbases.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 9, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Ute comments...

    "It's a no win situation..."
    "It doesn't do anything for us..."
    "If we lose..."

    When BYU hammers the Utes this fall and then the thrashing the Utes will have in the PAC10.2 it's going to be long miserable hiatus in Uteville.

    Great time to be a Ute fan!

    Great time to be a Cougar fan!

    Glad for the announcement too!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 9, 2013 11:22 p.m.

    sammyg

    "When BYU hammers the Utes this fall and then the thrashing the Utes will have in the PAC10.2 it's going to be long miserable hiatus in Uteville."
    _______________

    Predictions like this from Cougar fans always bring a smile to my face. The funniest part is how you all act so incredulous at the post game verbal beat downs by Ute fans - as if there were nothing provoking such a response from Ute fans.

    Silly Cougars.

    Like I said, these early predictions simply make me grin from ear to ear.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2013 11:27 p.m.

    hedgehog I do not understand your comment. Could you explain it

    "The main reason is to shed the assoication/stigma of being a mormon school. National recruiting will never reach its true potential simply because of this connection to bYu."

  • Counter Intelligence Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 12:42 a.m.

    Too bad
    I was hoping this dysfunctional hate fest was permanently over

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2013 3:53 a.m.

    talkinsports
    Gilbert, AZ

    yourlackofperspective

    BYU plays Wisconsin, Notre Dame and Nevada in November, THIS YEAR, with USC two Thanksgiving weekend games against USC already scheduled.

    Despite the lack of vision on the hill, BYU's November schedule will be just fine.

    ------------

    You don't play USC until 11/27/2021. Meanwhile...

    2013 November: @Wisconson, Idaho State, @ND, @Nevada
    2014 November: @Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, UNLV, TBA
    2015 November: @UNLV, TBA, TBA, TBA
    2016 November: TBA, @Cincinnati, TBA, TBA

    As of today , in order of toughness I count 2 BCS games, 5 mid-major games, and 1 D2 game.

    If playing CUSA/MWC/AAC is your goal in November then I agree BYU will be just fine.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    July 10, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    It never makes sense to denigrate a team your team can't beat. I always have to chuckle when Duck Hunter and others are so condescending toward Utah. Those who don't know better would think that BYU had been trouncing them over the years. Maybe when BYU starts beating Utah it would make some sense. Until then, keep in mind that if you assert that Utah is SOOOOO bad, where does that leave teams that Utah beats :)

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    July 10, 2013 7:36 a.m.

    Max

    "It never makes sense to denigrate a team your team can't beat."

    It doesn't make any sense to denigrate a team that your team consistently finishes behind in record and ranking.

    One game does not a season make.

  • CordonBleu Park City, UT
    July 10, 2013 8:22 a.m.

    Uteology

    You need to get over your "bcs" blindness; it's a meaningless term.

    Technically, AAC teams are still "bcs" teams, but as far as quality of opposition is concerned, there are dozens of "non-bcs" teams that are much better than many supposedly superior "bcs" teams.

    No objective fan would try to claim that Colorado and Washington State have been better than Cincinnati and Southern Miss the last five years.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 8:25 a.m.

    The bottom line on scheduling for Utah is if AD Chris Hill demands a 2 for 1 deal from an instate rival to continue a series, that rival is based in Logan, not Provo.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 10, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    [Cont'd]--

    It's also yet another opportunity to schowcase ourselves within FERTILE recruiting ground over there in CA.

    FSU is PRECISELY the sort of school we MUST routinely target, in compliment to a National Appeal type of game as we have scheduled w/Michigan....usu is also on the schedule, but we don't play against them next season and they're strictly scheduled exclusively in a 2-for-1 scenario.

    My hope is, we'll be routinely looking at schools down there inside of the FERTILE recruiting ground of TX, as well.

    Once we both departed The MWC, the incentive of beating 2-Star bywho w/a meaningful purpose, beyond just simply having bragging rights [i.e., competing for a conference championship], completely vanished.

  • Max Charlotte, NC
    July 10, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    Phoenix,

    We aren't talking about ONE game, we are talking several games over the past few years. It just seems like the trash talk needs to wait until BYU actually starts winning.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 10, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    @ Max

    Bingo! Unfortunately many BYU fans act like the game never happened. I'm sure that will change if and when they actually beat Utah.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    2017 is a long ways off. That Granite Flats HD truck is going to be out-of-date.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 10, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    lbert, AZ

    Max

    "It never makes sense to denigrate a team your team can't beat."

    It doesn't make any sense to denigrate a team that your team consistently finishes behind in record and ranking.

    One game does not a season make.

    -------------

    One game means a difference between a BCS or 2-tier bowl. Keep on Questing.

  • dumprake Washington, UT
    July 10, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    The thing I hate about the end of year game is it will late November or early December, and that is just usually awful weather in northern Utah, cold, snow, cold for the players, punishing for the fans having to sit for 4 hours in the cold. I would favor it being the first game of the year like Colorado and CSU do; makes way more sense.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 10, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Uteology
    East Salt Lake City, Utah

    "One game means a difference between a BCS or 2-tier bowl. Keep on Questing."

    One game also means the difference between a 2-tier bowl and no bowl at all. Don't bother PAC'n, your not goin'.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 10, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    Smart PAC-12 teams, especially those with National Championship aspirations, will continue to seek out BYU for their OOC schedule for one simple reason, BYU is a "value" SOS enhancer, hence the USC and Stanford series.

    As long as SOS continues to be calculated by opponents W/L record, BYU will continue to be an attractive opponent because they can schedule to assure themselves 6 to 9 wins a year and then play 3 to 5 marquee games each year against other legacy programs.

    BYU will continue to be an attractive opponent for PAC-12 teams both because PAC-12 teams realize BYU is a legacy program, with name recognition that will be valued by its fan base, and perhaps most importantly because BYU provides a SOS boost without being as big a competitive risk as another 8 or 9 win team. I'm objective enough of a BYU fan to concede that.

    BYU will be able to continue to put together interesting schedules which include games against legacy/marquee programs from across the country as long as it continue to maintain a balanced schedule that allows it to be a SOS enhancer to those legacy/marquee teams.

  • hedgehog Ann Arbor, MI
    July 10, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    "hedgehog I do not understand your comment. Could you explain it

    "The main reason is to shed the assoication/stigma of being a mormon school. National recruiting will never reach its true potential simply because of this connection to bYu."

    elk Hair,

    UofU's biggest challenge (along with the state of Utah) is to shed itself of the mormon sterotypes. The UofU is a PUBLIC University and shares the same culture as its PAC12 brethern.....unfortunelty when you connect bYu as the "rival" of the Utes, the preception (nationally) is they are similar. If UofU wants to reach its full potential they need to dump the paculiar sidekick.....or be lumped into the very real sterotype.

    Again, a very dissapoiting day to be a Ute.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 10, 2013 1:26 p.m.

    As a BYU fan living in Texas I don't understand why this game is important to Utah or BYU fans. I guess I don't see what's to gain for either school playing the game.

    But, seeing as it's important to many I'm glad it's back on.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 10, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    "UofU's biggest challenge (along with the state of Utah) is to shed itself of the mormon sterotypes. The UofU is a PUBLIC University and shares the same culture as its PAC12 brethern.....unfortunelty when you connect bYu as the "rival" of the Utes, the preception (nationally) is they are similar. If UofU wants to reach its full potential they need to dump the paculiar sidekick.....or be lumped into the very real sterotype.

    Again, a very dissapoiting day to be a Ute."

    Preception? Paculiar? Dissapoiting? Shocking...

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 10, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    RE: hedgehog

    If you're that concerned about "mormon stereotypes" might I suggest cheering for another team. Utah had 22 returned missionaries last season, including some of your best players. While it is unfortunate that there are some negative stereotypes associated with members of the LDS faith, most of them come for ignorant people who don't bother doing their homework. You might know a little something about that...

  • Owl Salt Lake City, UT
    July 10, 2013 2:41 p.m.

    It's no big deal. Move on.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    July 10, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    Thank you ADs for making this happen. BYU should be very grateful as well as all Utah fans from and living in Utah.
    Always ends up a Utah blowout or a close game to the finish.

    Go utes!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 10, 2013 3:45 p.m.

    So the utah "fan" comments used to be "BYU cannot schedule anyone good". Obviously that was wrong. Then it was "BYU cannot schedule anyone good after September". Obviously that was wrong. Then it was "BYU cannot schedule anyone good in Novemeber"? Obviously that was wrong. Now it's "BYU cannot schedule anyone good at home in Novemeber". Well we'll see, utah "fan" track record on these things is pretty much a great big zreo, a full on fail. They have not been right about one of those things yet.

    But that said why does it matter if the November games are at home or not? Frankly November is generally cold, I prefer to watch November games on TV. Of course I will go to them if they are at home but it doesn't bother me one bit if the "good" home games are in the relatively warm month of September and the relatively mild month of October and the road games are in November. In fact I like it.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 10, 2013 3:51 p.m.

    I'm still trying to understand why utah "fans" think it matters which month of the season which games are played during and which month of the season it matters if they are home or not?

    Who cares?

    A good schedule is a good schedule, what does the order the games are played matter?

    utah has to play its pac12 designated rival every single November, well colorado is a horrible program and a horrible team, one of the very worst in all of college football. But whether utah was told by its overlords they had to play them in September or November it wouldn't change the fact that they are awful and probably will stay awful. Other than the fact utah struggles against them ensures that it will be a "good" game then who really cares what month it is they play each other?

    Of all the utah "fan" hypocrisies, untruths, and general all around nonsensical claims, this one is by far the silliest and most embarrassing one they try to propagate.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 10, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    duck,

    It doesn't matter who we play, or when, or in what order.
    It's completely up to Dr. Hill where or even if byu fits into our schedule.
    You're probably right about Colorado, what's funny is that they scare us more than byu. lol.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 10, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter "So the utah "fan" comments used to be "BYU cannot schedule anyone good". Obviously that was wrong."

    Was it wrong? See New Mexico State, Weber, Hawaii, Idado

    @ Duckhunter "utah has to play its pac12 designated rival every November, well colorado is a horrible program and a horrible team, one of the very worst in all of college football."

    Colorado is pretty bad and it's embarrassing they own the season series against Utah 26-31.... which makes your post look ridiculous because Utah owns BYU 56-34. So if Colorado is horrible, what is BYU? LOL LOL

  • AlottaBalatas Centerville, UT
    July 10, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    @ Mr. Duck

    I have an honest question . . . when do head-to-head results ever count? Seriously, I don't understand all the smack talk against a team that beats you.

    I was always taught, if you can't beat someone congratulate them and keep quiet. And when you do beat them, congratulate them and keep quiet.

    Seriously, can you help me understand your perspective?

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 10, 2013 9:18 p.m.

    I've got bad news for my Utah fan friends...

    If and when you ever decide to start commenting on Colorado football articles, you'll have to get used to hearing about CU's national championship in football (1990).

    It will be deja vu all over again.

    At least you will have had plenty of practice with your rejoinders.

    Go get 'em.

  • moderateinmagna MAGNA, UT
    July 10, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    for you information hedgie both schools were founded by BRIGHAM YOUNG,so being a mormon school has nothing to do with it ,.both schools have mostly mormon students, i know because i attended both schools many years ago,.your hatred is showing ,give it a rest for once.

  • Elk Hair Caddis Sandy, UT
    July 10, 2013 9:51 p.m.

    HedgeHog….interesting thoughts on the benefits of Utah distancing itself from Mormons. I would suggest that a culture of tolerance, understanding and embracing others regardless of stereotypes would serve the PAC 12 and Utah far more than distancing themselves.

    It has been over 13 years since the Utah Jazz have played a regular season home game on Sunday. The NBA knows the value of a culture of tolerance and understanding.

    The recent scheduling announcements make it appear the PAC 12 and Utah are moving in same direction. I applaud them for that.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 10, 2013 10:41 p.m.

    @u90

    "Was it wrong? See New Mexico State, Weber, Hawaii, Idado"

    Yes it was. You're intentionally leaving out Texas, Notre Dame, etc. Obviously it was wrong.

    You obviously lack reason and comprehension but let me pile on you a little bit more.

    You realize that my post was about what month of the year games are scheduled don't you? utah "fans" are making the claim that it does I simply pointed out that utah has been dictated to by the pac12 that the horrible colorado program is its "rival" and that they will play every single November as the final pac12 game between these two low level pac12 teams. So if utah "fans" are going to criticize BYU's November schedule, as if it is relevant to anything at all, then they need to look at their own November schedule and the great big pile that they are told they have to play every November.

    Try to keep up.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    July 11, 2013 12:03 a.m.

    So the 2016 game is in Provo and I'm assuming that the 2017-18 games will be spilt between Provo and SLC.

    Congratulations Utes you got your 2 for 1.... 2 games in Provo for 1 game in Salt Lake.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 11, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    AlottaBalatas
    Centerville, UT
    @ Mr. Duck

    "I have an honest question . . . when do head-to-head results ever count? Seriously, I don't understand all the smack talk against a team that beats you.

    I was always taught, if you can't beat someone congratulate them and keep quiet. And when you do beat them, congratulate them and keep quiet.

    Seriously, can you help me understand your perspective?"

    Honest question, can I take a fair shot at it?

    A phrase comes to mind, something like "win the battle, lose the war." For example, the year BYU beat Oklahoma, one game was huge. As the season wore on, it became less large. Losing to TCU really took the edge off the earlier victory. OU falling out of the rankings also contributed.

    Similarly, in 2008, Utah beating BYU was nice (for Utah), but was only a small part of a huge season.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 11, 2013 12:31 a.m.

    Cont.

    Also, last year Utah beating BYU became one of the few bright spots for Utah, making it very important. For Utah. Had BYU not gone to, and won, a bowl game, that loss would have been the biggest part of a very disappointing season. As it is, BYU's loss to Utah was more disappointing than losses to Boise and Notre Dame, but over all, the season was a moderate success.

    Your rule is true, and would be nice if followed. When ute fans come over here to talk trash, they should expect to get it back.

    I do wish BYU fans would leave Utah articles alone, or contribute positively to the discussion.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 11, 2013 7:29 a.m.

    U90

    Your continuing diatribe about "New Mexico State, Weber, Hawaii, Idado" is disingenuous and pretty silly knowing full well that BYU's past schedule has had to include these teams for the sake of getting a new schedule going in the mix. Tom Holmoe is THE man to deliver this year's schedule like he promised. And this SOS argument is silly in advance of games played.

    Any team can win a game except maybe your Utes against several of its PAC peers... namely USC, Oregon, Stanford, etc. and even a 10 loss Colorado. LOL

    So what's the difference with the Utes playing Colorado, Washington State, Weber State and according to all of you Ute fans, let's throw in BYU for giggles as a patsy?

    Maybe the real problem is that you're getting all frantic and emotional, jealous and bitter that your team is trending downward and being bowl-less while BYU is doing exactly what you and the rest of Utah "fans" said it couldn't...

    ... succeed as an independent and moving on where as U can't.

    I'm smelling some real Ute fears for this season. Winds are changing even more.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    July 11, 2013 8:41 a.m.

    "But that said why does it matter if the November games are at home or not?"

    Because it's cold and often snowy giving BYU an advantage. These 2:1 deals with USC, ND, and Wisconsin are understandable but, best case in such a series is 1-2.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 11, 2013 9:18 a.m.

    RE: WON84

    I don't think the snow gives BYU an edge over ND and Wisconsin... it's pretty cold up here. I like November games but finishing the season strong can mean the difference between a upper tier bowl and the regularly scheduled Kraft Hunger-type bowl. Cheers.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 11, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    @Won84

    I don't think so. If there is any advantage in that it is negligible at best. But that isn't the point of what the utah "fans" are trying to claim anyway. They are trying to claim it somehow matters in terms of watching the games for the fans and in terms of how the schedule is perceived. It doesn't of course, it is menaingless. If anything it is better for BYU fans since we get to watch our home games when the weather is nice and watch those games when on tv when it is cold outside. But either way it is a stupid non issue brought up by "frantic and emotional" as well as "bitter and desperate" utah "fans" in a desperate attempt to try and invent an "issue" they can criticize BYU over. They failed, as usual.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    July 11, 2013 9:34 a.m.

    I should probably proof read...

    I meant to say that I like November games "because" they can mean the difference between upper tier bowls and lower tier bowls.

    Of course, that hasn't mattered lately--BYU hasn't played well enough to be in consideration for the upper tier bowls--but we know that teams like BYU can do it (see Boise State, Utah, Hawaii, TCU, Northern something). Having a win against a good Wisconsin team at the end of the season could propel an 11-1 BYU team into an upper tier bowl.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 11, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    sammyg

    "U90, Your continuing diatribe about "New Mexico State, Weber, Hawaii, Idado" is disingenuous and pretty silly knowing full well that BYU's past schedule has had to include these teams for the sake of getting a new schedule going in the mix."
    ______

    Funny that you expect Utah fans to afford you your excuses that come with BYUs move to Independence yet you in turn won't afford the excuses by Ute fans that come with adapting to a major jump in leagues.

    Competing for immediate titles in the Pac 12 was very unlikely and any intelligent person would know that a team moving there from a lesser league would require time to bring in better recruiting classes and get facilities and other recruiting tools up to Pac 12 standards.

    Just look at TCU if you want another example of what most people see as the obvious and inevitable. This in no way means that TCU and Utah won't be able to compete once they get their new conference legs under them.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 11, 2013 11:50 a.m.

    sammy,

    It's real simple. When BYU fans like you trash on Utah for going 5-7 we simply point out that BYU's 7-5 regular season was made possible by the aforementioned stable of cupcakes and overall weaker SOS.

    Do you find it the least bit ironic that you and some of your blue brethren want to trash on a football program that your Cougars can't seem to beat (8 of 11)?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 11, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Trust me I understand.... you are a BYU fan bashing on Utah athletics, the PAC 12 and Utah fans on every Ute article (obsession at it's finest).

    In your last post you reiterated:

    utah has been dictated to by the pac 12 that the horrible colorado program is its rival and that they will play every November as the final pac12 game between these two low level pac12 teams. Duckhunter

    Please explain how my response below is not directly related to your statement above:

    Colorado is pretty bad and it is embarrassing they own the all-time series against Utah 26-31.... which makes your post look ridiculous because Utah owns BYU 56-34. So if Colorado is horrible, what is BYU? U90

    Duckhunter, please take some time off and regroup and develop a new game plan because your current one has gaping holes.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 11, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    @Jeff29: Nice try with your byU math.

    Fail!

    Go Utes!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 11, 2013 1:25 p.m.

    @motorbike

    "Competing for immediate titles in the Pac 12 was very unlikely and any intelligent person would know that a team moving there from a lesser league would require time to bring in better recruiting classes and get facilities and other recruiting tools up to Pac 12 standards."

    I couldn't agree with you more, except that utah "fans" were not intelligent and the proof is right here in the Dnews archives. I could post thousands of comments from utah "fans", yourself included, that claimed utah was going to compete immediately for conference titles, especially in football. And they aren't just from 2 years ago, many of them were posted less than one year ago, at about this exact same time of year before last season, utah "fans" claiming utah was going to "win the south", "play in the conference championship game", "play in the rose bowl", go "undefeated", and even "win the national championship".

    Virtually none of you were saying what so many of you are now saying and what you claimed in your post. None of you. If you can find some comments from the utah "fans" on here verifying your claim please post them. You can"t.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 11, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    U90

    Nope, its not ironic at all. A few of those games could have gone the other way so the scoreboard does not adequately reflect the quality of the teams. Though I bow to the scoreboard, you should bow to the AP and acknowledge BYU’s accomplishments overall. If we cannot agree to that then this discussion is over.

    On the other hand I tell you, I'll offer an olive branch... I'll call the Utes staying home last December a gross injustice. It wasn't fair. They should have gone bowling for beating BYU and Northern Colorado, Colorado, and two other teams. Make you feel better?

    I understand your inferiority complex. It isn't fair that BYU won its games and went bowling because they had a few patsies. Nevermind the fact the schedule was the best schedule for the current circumstances. And yet we hear from whiny Ute fans looking to excuse their own pitiful circumstances by continuing to use this same scheduling argument along with SOS against BYU. Big whoop.

    Go win some games Utes. You said you were going to for 3 years. We're waiting. (cont'd)

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 11, 2013 4:41 p.m.

    (cont’d) But as Duckhunter has reminded us what Ute fans said 1, 2 and 3 years ago is entirely different than what is being said now.

    BYU fans were told that independence would fail
    Utes would go Rose Bowling, even as early as the first season
    Utes could beat anyone in the PAC12
    Utes would dominate recruiting and compete in the PAC12

    So now we hear…
    It will take a few recruiting cycles
    We knew it would take time
    It’s a tough schedule
    It’s the SOS
    We can only get 3 star, they get 4 and 5 star recruits
    They have better facilities

    I congratulated the Utes on their invite but I also said that there was no way a MWC occasional winner would perform like Ute fans said they would.

    It’s doubtful things will change in year 3, in fact it’s probable that the Utes will go 3-9 this year.

    I’m reminded of a phrase that I had to use when I sold securities. It works for the Utes…

    ‘Past performance is no guarantee of future performance.’

    My, how things have changed.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    July 11, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    let's roll
    LEHI, UT
    I've got bad news for my Utah fan friends...

    If and when you ever decide to start commenting on Colorado football articles, you'll have to get used to hearing about CU's national championship in football (1990).

    It will be deja vu all over again.

    At least you will have had plenty of practice with your rejoinders.

    Go get 'em.

    ____________

    Yep, It will be deja vu all over again.
    Let's talk about that 90' CU title. You know, the game between two top five programs - CU & Notre Dame.
    A game and title far more respectable than the paddy cake scam of 84'.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2013 6:22 p.m.

    @Duckhunter

    @motorbike

    I couldn't agree with you more, except that utah "fans" were not intelligent and the proof is right here in the Dnews archives. I could post thousands of comments from utah "fans", yourself included, that claimed utah was going to compete immediately for conference titles, especially in football.

    ---------------

    Speaking of proof of intelligence, didn't you claim that the 50,000 "Quest" t-shirts was for competing for a national title. Or was that WisconsinCoug?

    Regardless, keep Questing my friend.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    July 11, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    "Let's talk about that 90' CU title. You know, the game between two top five programs - CU & Notre Dame."

    You know, the "championship" game that never would been if not for Colorado's infamous FIFTH DOWN play. The play that enabled the Colorado Buffaloes to defeat the Missouri Tigers by scoring a touchdown on the last play of their game on October 6, 1990. The ensuing controversy cast doubt on Colorado's claim to Division I-A's 1990 national championship, which it shares with the Georgia Tech Yellow Jackets. It has been called one of the top memorable moments and blunders in college football history.

    With a loss to Missouri in week 6, Colorado would have dropped to 3-2-1 and out of the polls, with little chance of climbing back into the Top 10 before the end of the regular season, and ZERO chance of winning a national championship.

    Colorado is simply lucky that instant replay wasn't used in the college game in 1990.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    July 11, 2013 6:46 p.m.

    @PokeyWACPadder

    Feel free to copy me on your posts on CU football articles congratulating them on their 1990 National Championship in football, I'm sure you've already paid your respects.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    WACpaddled obviously doesn't know much about college football history if he's citing Colorado 1990 as some sort of shining example of a "well-deserved" national championship.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 11, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    @deductive reasoning

    Colorado is simply lucky that instant replay wasn't used in the college game in 1990.

    ----------

    And your lucky that the BCS wasn't around in 1984.

    "With the way the [BCS] system is now, there's no question we wouldn't have been No. 1. We probably would have gone to a better bowl, and that would have been great, but there would have been four teams higher than us in the polls." -- Robbie Bosco

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 7:52 p.m.

    Uteology

    Nice try, but no one has ever questioned the legitimacy of any of BYU's 1984 victories, and BYU's 1984 AP National Championship was decided in EXACTLY the same way as Alabama's 2012 AP National Championship, by a simple majority of AP voters selecting BYU #1, just like every other major selecting organization did in 1984.

    Bosco said after the game that he thought BYU deserved to be #1.

    As the Roman philosopher Seneca stated:

    "Luck is what happens when preparation meets opportunity."

    BYU's FOUR Top 12 finishes in the five years preceding 1984 gave BYU enough credibility to ride an undefeated season against a less than stellar schedule to a national championship.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    July 11, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    sammy

    maybe you can take up 3 pages on your next post instead of only two.

    I'm pointing out the glass house you live in. You attack the Utes yet your team can't beat them. You look foolish throwing stones from your glass house.

    Please provide evidence that any Utah fan said the Utes would dominate recruiting in the PAC12. Now your's just making stuff up... which doesn't surprise me.

    Some desperate stuff there sammy.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    July 11, 2013 10:09 p.m.

    U 90

    U look even more foolish beating your chests about being in a conference in which you've done absolutely NOTHING of consequence. You blew a gift-wrapped PAC South because U were dominated in RES by the worst team in the PAC, a team that hadn't won a road game in FOUR years.

    Please provide evidence that the Utes are even relevant in the PAC. So far, you've been nothing but bottom feeders in every PAC 12 sport that the Utah men supposedly "compete" in.

    Despite your spin, the Utes have clearly fallen to being the 3rd best program in the state.

    Tale of the last two seasons:
    USU - ranked in both pols, two bowls, one bowl win
    BYU - ranked in the Coaches poll, two bowl wins
    Utah - unranked (not a single vote in either poll), one bowl win

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    July 11, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    LonestarRunner obviously doesn't know much about college football history if you cite BYU 1984 as some sort of shining example of a "well-deserved" national championship.

  • Carson Provo, UT
    July 11, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    Duckhunter and Sammy are really closet Ute fans. Their interest in everything Utah, says it all. 


  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 12, 2013 3:55 a.m.

    Swoop-

    "The only interesting home game the Utes have to look forward to this season after mid-October is ASU."

    "Interesting", considering there's only one other home game, our regular season finale against CU. Lol....To compare home schedules, 2-Star byu has only one, single home game after 10/25, FCS Bottom-Feeder ISU, conveniently placed before ND, BTW, as was yet another bye-week before WISC, like before UTAH!

    In fact, after playing UTAH at home on 09/21, 2-Star byu has realistically only BSU at home on 10/25 worth getting excited about for the remaining 2 1/3 months balance of the season!

    Not to mention, the obvious in deliberately scheduling a week-off before UTAH/usu/BSU/WISC/ND! Lol

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2013 11:36 a.m.

    @uteology

    "Speaking of proof of intelligence, didn't you claim that the 50,000 "Quest" t-shirts was for competing for a national title."

    Wasn't me, I've never made a claim like that. Fail. A "frantic and emotional" fail actually.

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    The funniest part of this whole thing has been the "pending approval" part. usc didn't ask for approval, only after thought gravy train programs have to get "approval".

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 12, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @azute

    Do you think that your constant excuse making for losing record no bowl utah is somehow going to justify their impending train wreck of a season?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 12, 2013 3:01 p.m.

    "The funniest part of this whole thing has been the "pending approval" part. usc didn't ask for approval, only after thought gravy train programs have to get "approval"."

    Utah isn't USC; everyone understands that. What's your point?

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    July 12, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    Carson

    I'm watching more Ute football than I ever before. I'm enjoying every bit of it. LOL