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Sour grapes: Government says farmer owes $650,000 for not handing over raisins


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  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:15 p.m.

    What would you tell people if you worked for the raisin administrative committee?... how embracing. The fact that such a thing exists... talk about waste and overly large government... and this is coming from someone who leans liberal. How about we let the market decide if we have too many raisins or not.

  • David Centerville, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    I agree with this farmer. The government should not be allowed to take someone's production, labor or produce without paying for what they take. And they should pay a fair market value.

  • Eliot Santaquin, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    If Horne wins his case, I wonder if the government will have to reimburse him and all other raisin farmers for the crops that they have taken over the years.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 8, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    It looks to me that the "supply" of government employees greatly exceeds the "demand". How abut sticking those "excess" employees on the shelf until the market shows a need for their services? Maybe they could prove their worth by harvesting grapes and be paid the wages of those who harvest grapes.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 8, 2013 3:31 p.m.

    So the government creates laws to take your property. Sounds a lot like Obamacare today, if you don't have insurance you owe the government a huge fine.

    ANOTHER example of government getting to big and crossing over into tyranny. I'm pretty sure this isn't what the constitution had in mind when it allowed the FEDs to "regulate commerce".

    King George is alive and well.

  • samhill Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Here we have a case where some stupid law that was instituted by Pres. Truman almost 70 years ago and is still hanging around pestering poor people like this already harried grape farmer who wants nothing more than to be paid for what he produces.

    How can this kind of idiocy continue for so long??

    I earnestly hope this guy is able to get this one starfish of governmental stupidity thrown back in the sea. There are so many other examples we've **got** to start somewhere!

  • spring street SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    July 8, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    When Horne’s case reached the Supreme Court this spring, Justice Elena Kagan wondered whether it might be “just the world’s most outdated law.”

    I agree with kagan's assessment and can not help wonder why it took 65 years to be challenged.

    you do realize this bill was passed under Truman not Obama and first started making its way through the courts during Bush's administration right? maybe it is time to set aside the blind rage.

  • Shimlau SAINT GEORGE, UT
    July 8, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    spring street; I don't think 3grand was saying that Pres. Obama did this, he was however drawing and analogy between it and the 'Affordable Health Care Act' that Pres. Obama rammed through congress and gleefully signed into law, because "We have to pass it to know what's in it.." Now that we know what's in it, the administration is still trying to sell it to the American people by using professional sports teams to give it a good face.

  • My2Cents Taylorsville, UT
    July 9, 2013 5:56 a.m.

    So why isn't the crops of foreign countries confiscated? The law is outdated and has no use other than someone in government illegally selling confiscated property where no crime is involved for personal profit.

  • Utah Dem Ogden, UT
    July 9, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Yes this Marketing Order was created by Pres. Truman but updated under Pres. Reagan in 1989. It appears originally it was to protect farmers but I agree with andyjaggy - let the market decide the cost. Other agra laws are outdated - PIK (payment in kind) for one.

  • Archie1954 Vancouver, BC
    July 9, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    This seems to be another form of marketing board. I always thought that capitalism was self regulating?