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Utah Jazz trade Randy Foye to Nuggets, get 2nd-round pick from Warriors in three-way deal

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  • RedUtes08 West Jordan, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Big mistake by Utah. Foye was the most consistent guard the jazz had last year. should have kept him and threw Mo out of the door. We needed Foyes range from the bench. It's too bad they traded him.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    I'm excited to watch the new Jazz play! Add some Sloan influence on these young guys and we should have a very entertaining year!

  • Iowa Jazz Fan 2 Cedar Rapids, IA
    July 8, 2013 10:52 a.m.

    Reports say Jazz were brought in to this deal to make it work ("facilitate it") for G.S. and Denver. Apparently Jazz did not want to lock themselves into a multi-year deal to bring back Foye, despite what he did for them last season. Lindsey is seen by many so far (but not all -- e.g., Adrian Wojnarowski at Yahoo!) as doing a great job for the future of the Jazz. But is he doing an even better job for the present of the Warriors? They owe him big time . . . .

  • Little Andy Tremonton, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    I am glad that teams can help each other out. Nuggs helped Jazz get Gobert this year. If it is a win win for each team that is all that matters. Foye was good but he was burned out as a starter and Corbin kept using him way too much. Rush will take his place, is much younger, and has more years to play.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:54 a.m.

    The Jazz have now collected $24 million in cap space, 2 unprotected 1st round, , 3 second round draft picks (one of the three in this deal for Foye), and an undisclosed amount of cash.

    Foye will probably hurt but they may have replaced him with an equally good 3 point shooter in Brandon Rush who is a better defender then Foye.

    Once again, what are you going to do though? Sign him and bring him back with Burkes sits the bench?

    We are at a point where we have to find out whether our young guys will pan out to decide whether the are worth keeping and signing to big extensions.

    Everyone whining about the vets leaving really ought to realize that the vets we had missed the playoffs 2 out of the last 3 years and were roadkill the one year they did get in. Some good guys to be sure but lower tier in terms of results.

    We will likely win 20-30 games max next season but we will find out if young guys are worth big money, we will likely be in good draft position, and have a boatload of cap space.

    Bravo Lindsey. Bravo.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 8, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Foye seems like a good dude, but as a player I'm not particularly sad to see him go. He is the very definition of "one-trick pony." If he's not hitting his threes, he's useless. Best of luck to him, but he's not any kind of long-term solution except as a 7th or 8th man.

  • DodgerDoug Salem, UT
    July 8, 2013 12:31 p.m.

    @ Jazz Source

    I liked most of what you had to say except I think the Jazz will definatly win more than 30 games!

  • Floyd Johnson Broken Arrow, OK
    July 8, 2013 12:35 p.m.

    "You are of so little value to this team that we will happily trade you for a second round pick 4 years from now." I understand that a variety of factors (including salary cap space) are included in these decisions, but that would be a tough pill to swallow for a team member who perceives himself as a significant contributor.

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 8, 2013 12:37 p.m.

    Good job jazz management. You just got rid of the last player that could spread the floor and shoot 3's. This offseason has already been a complete waste of time. Good job to management for making other teams better though. Good call.

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    July 8, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    I have one question are the Jazz planning on keeping Marvin Williams?If so why? I don`t think he will do anything to help the team!

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 8, 2013 12:55 p.m.

    As the roster stands the jazz will not win more than 20 games next year with the youngsters. All those that were begging to give them the bulk of the minutes - this is your time. When it doesn't pan out and the jazz can't score bacause they don't have big Al, Millsap, and Mo Williams don't whine. This is what you wanted. If you think the jazz will win more than 30 games without signing a signifigant free agent then you simply don't know basketball.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    Brahmabull - remind me how many playoff wins Big Al, Millsap and Mo led the Jazz to? You enjoy taking 9th in the west, being perpetually the 14th pick and staying on the treadmill of mediocrity?

    Big Al signed for over $14 million per year, dominates the ball and doesn't play defense.
    Millsap signed for $9.5 million per year and wouldn't play for the Jazz unless he was starting.
    Mo Williams hasn't signed yet, but has demanded that he be a starter and wants a longer term contract.

    So Big Al and Millsap would make $25-26 million, if you have to sign Derrick Favors and Gordon Hayward to large contracts next season - that leaves no room for Kanter, Burks or Burkes in the future -- not to mention any other roster spots that are needed.

    Lindsey and the Jazz brass know what they are doing.

  • Confused Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    UU32 "remind me how many playoff wins Big Al, Millsap and Mo led the Jazz to? "

    Your not serious are you? I mean to put what happened the last two years on these two?

    You do realize that both guard production for the past two years have been dismal, right?

    that last year there was no consistent outside shooting... thus they packed it in and neither Milsap, Big Al (although he was a consistent 18.0 points a game), Favor or Kanter could do inside...

    Everyone want Favors... but when he had minutes what did he do with them... NOT MUCH...

  • Brahmabull sandy, ut
    July 8, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    UU32

    I didn't say they need to resign ALL of them. They needed to retain some scoring, probably big Al would be the best. Now they are paying Biedrins almost as much as big Al would have made, and he is terrible. They let them both go, didn't sign Iguadala, Ellis, Hickson, or any decent free agent. So now instead of at least making the playoffs they will probably be near last in the west. Clearly they had to let either Millcrap or Jefferson go, but both? Now they have no low post scoring. And don't tell me they have Kanter and Favors - they are not a consistant offensive threat. And now with Foye gone we have no outside shooting besides Hayward (average) and Burks (average). I think they are tanking this season, but with the jazz for years it is always next year, next year, next year.

  • JazzMan Centerville, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Wow, the tank job just keeps on rolling.
    I think the Jazz could be over valuing those draft picks. The NBA as a whole usually does. They are such a crap shoot. And a second rounder? Hardly worth the effort.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    Confused - re-read my post - I included Mo in there - if I'm not wrong - he is a guard.

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 8, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    UU32 > Brahmabull + Confused.

    Saying that Al and 'Sap were the reasons the Jazz were mediocre over the past few years isn't the point at all. Fact is, they were core performers on those so-so teams. Both have already peaked as players and are not worth tying up tons of cap space and praying they can lure a couple of top guards to join them through free-agency. Offering big money to both of those guys would've killed them long-term. I was hoping they'd find a way to keep 'Sap, but clearly they're hoping to build through the draft. Their ceiling next year just dropped (but not as much as some are implying), but the ceiling for 3-6 years from just raised, at least theoretically.

    What comes of those draft picks and cap room? I have no idea. That's up to good scouting and some luck.

  • Owen Nudds Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:18 p.m.

    An asset is an asset, no matter how much value you see in Second Round Picks. But, Foye goes the way of the Youth Movement and I am fine with that. He did a great job for the Jazz last year. This is a business though and instead of losing Foye for nothing at least we're getting an asset that could lead to something else (ie-the Burke trade).

  • John Wicks Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:28 p.m.

    2nd round picks are not even likely to make the team Lindsey. What's your next lame brain move. Lindsey and Corbin should have been traded to the Celtics for Doc Rivers.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    Jefferson and Millsap were good guys and good players. I think we all could agree with that. However, they were looking for long term deals and if they stayed here it means we can't find out as quickly what we really have in the core 4 (now core 5). Other posters have already said that resigning one or both those guys means more years of what we've seen over the last 3 years. Now we have a chance to see if these young guys can flourish and after this year have a ton of cap space to make adjustments. This might not work, but what were were doing before was definitely not working. The team needed a shakeup. Get on board, this will be fun. The starting 5 for the Jazz average age will probably be younger than some college teams (like BYU for example).

  • The Marshall Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    BIG MISTAKE!!!! The jazz must owe Golden state a favor. Letting Foye go for 3 Million dollars being paid by Denver for him. Where can you get a player of his quality for that cheap price. Second round picks are not worth much. I have agreed with all of the moves up until this one. This will be another "regret of letting one go" by Lindsey and Oconnor.

  • skidady Calgary, 00
    July 8, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    I think it was a mistake not keeping Foye, but i understand letting Big Al and Milsap go. Big Al could put the ball in the hoop but he was non-existant on defense. At 14 million a year it was time to look to the young pups to mature. Milsap was only going to resign if he was a starter and the jazz took a gamble on Favors stepping up this year. you have to understand that good free agents do not want to play for the Jazz unless the Jazz want to overpay. With the new CBA the teams that are looking good moving forward are the ones that build through the draft. This year will be a write-off and the brass knew it so they planned for the future. Between next years draft and the cap space the jazz could look very good. You have to be patient and hope for some luck. Remeber we are not the Lakers...cant afford to pay luxury tax.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 8, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    @Brahmabull

    if you wanted to re-sign Big Al and/or Paul Millsap, and tried to sign either Monta or Iggy...then i guess you really dont want the young guys to play minutes next season...and some team would take them during free agency...and then its Wesley Mathews all over again...Gordon Hayward and Derrick Favors could help a lot of teams...the only reason i think the brass is doing this...is to finally know what they got with the young guys...now this upcoming season would be a pressure season for this young guys...since they need to perform...and their future salaries would depend on how they play this year...that being said...if Favors, Kanter, Burks and Hayward erupted...and became focal points of the team...we would have enough cap to extend and sign them for multi-year contracts...if they don't and the brass thinks they could get better players via free agency...they would be in a position to rebuild via free agency...due to the cap space...so Lindsey is creating multiple options for him to rebuild this team

  • OrlandoJazzFan Winter Springs, FL
    July 8, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    We all pray that Lindsey really does have a plan here... From a Long time Jazz fan the word TANK just doesn't sit right for some reason... Will someone remind Dennis that we need at minimum two hoops and several shot clocks... don't sell off all the assets.

  • Jazzsmack Holladay, UT
    July 8, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    Cleaning house is the only way to go if Utah truly want build a championship team.

    They must build from the draft first.

    Holding on to overpaid veterans, or signing a good free agent now would only perpetuate the 40+ wins seasons and continued drafting middle late first round players, it just perpetuates mediocrity.

    They first must get top draft picks to build around, then you can supplement that with good free agents later for playoff or championship runs.

  • Bearone Monroe, UT
    July 8, 2013 7:05 p.m.

    Don't give up on the JAZZ so quickly. Sure we are having some big changes and maybe this will be a building year---but I am looking forward to an exciting season! I think the young kids are going to surprise a lot of people. I will be anxiously awaiting the start of the season.

  • Dustin Idaho Falls, ID
    July 8, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    @Floyd Johnson--Jazz didn't have a place for Foye, therefore it was a choice between letting him go elsewhere, or doing a sign and trade like they did. We just got a draft pick for nothing in return.

    @milner--As for Marvin Williams, he opted into the last year of his contract and had surgery immediately after. No team wants his contract for him to play three months this season.

    Don't forget, this is an opportunity for Corbin to show if he can really coach. The team may be setting him up for failure in the last year of his contract, but there are still a lot of good coaches out there that we can snatch up if we don't want him anymore. I would be happy with the Jazz promoting Sloan to head coach after this season.

  • JP Chandler, AZ
    July 8, 2013 8:21 p.m.

    Everybody needs to settle down about only getting a 2nd round pick for Foye. That's not what happened. We got a 2nd round pick for facilitating a trade between GS and Denver. We signed Foye with the intent of trading him. If the trade wasn't on the table they wouldn't have signed him (at least not for $9 mil for 3 years). If we weren't planning on signing him anyway, they basically got something for nothing. They got a 2nd round pick for doing a little paper work. Not bad if you ask me.

  • mdp Bountiful, utah
    July 8, 2013 8:49 p.m.

    The Jazz have traded away most of their offense now (Jefferson, Milsap, Foye, and their sparkplug Carroll)- look to be trying to get deep into the lottery next year. WISH THEY HAD KEPT DEMARRE.

  • ImABeliever Provo, UT
    July 8, 2013 9:01 p.m.

    I've been a Golden State Warriors fan for many years and not a Jazz fan and live in Utah.
    The Jazz are making bonehead moves and becoming the joke of the N.B.A. which is odd because the N.B.A. was already a joke.

  • Hank Jr Draper, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:46 p.m.

    This is getting weirder and weirder by the minute

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:39 p.m.

    @Brahmabull

    Clearly you don't get it.

    Even re-signing one or either of them does nothing for your franchise because neither actually is worth their current contracts in terms of results. Atlanta is a load of Jazz cast-offs. Clearly they were just signing any all free agents they could. Who believes they are a threat in the east? Nobody but now they are stuck with that prospect because they gave long term deals to the wrong players with limited upside. Korver? 27 million? Are you kidding? That clearly demonstrates desperation for a guy that can't defend or create his own shot. Now they pair Horford with Millsap? Talk about the mini-me front court!

    Is any of this sinking in? The jazz are tired of your suggestion which is good enough to get close to the playoffs but not make it. Why not try something with upside? Favors already dominates defensively more than a cumulative total of AJs career defensive efforts! Millsap wants big money and starters role. Can't do that here and maintain massive cap space and flexibility.

    Try to grasp the bigger picture!

  • sky2k1 Provo, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:47 p.m.

    I love everything that the jazz are doing. I could be wrong, and these could be the wrong moves, but we weren't making the right moves. I will definitely look forward to talking to joe5 and brahmabull in a couple of years.

    Just remember, consistency is only good if you're good -- being consistently mediocre is awful.

    I've heard that the definition of insanity is doing the same thing the same way over and over again and expecting different results. Well at least we moved out of that cycle.

  • The Final Word Alpine, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    @imabeliever

    ESPN disagrees with your analysis. They have repeatedly stated how well the jazz have drafted, traded to stockpile picks while giving up nothing, and maintained financial flexibility.

    It's not rocket science but clearly you act like this is difficult to understand.

    No teams regret multiple draft picks and money to spend when there are free agents available that matter like next offseason.

    The Jazz are smart. Your Warriors just bet the farm on Iggy. Sorry but he is not a great player and your team just gave us all your draft picks for several years. Are the warriors able to beat spurs or heat? No. Now u have zero options to boot.

  • Villa1203 herriman, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:57 p.m.

    It was just time for the jazz to rebuild, and so far i think they are doing a great job of it so far. Yes I loved Big Al and MIlsap but they just weren't part of our longterm future. I was tired of seeing the jazz being an 8th seed that was going nowhere and i think so was jazz management so they blew the team up and decided to see if the players they used lottery picks on or traded for can become the players they are projected to be. We should not be arguing about this we should be excited for the change as it shows the change aren't sticking to their old "safe" ways that kept us from really accomplishing anything more than an eighth seed. Lets just set back and see what these young guys can prove themselves and become good-great players.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 9, 2013 4:09 a.m.

    @Hank Jr

    I agree with you....

  • Markogarp Olympia, WA
    July 9, 2013 5:11 a.m.

    My guess is, 4 years from now we are all going to look back on this summer's free agency, and realize what a genius Lindsey is. Look, this had to happen. Jefferson was and is a defensive liability. Yes, he's great offensively, but his lack of defense pretty much wipes that out. Favors is better defensively, we've seen that already, and given, consistently, starters minutes, believe me folks, he will flourish, as will Kanter. We saw glimpses of it last year...we will see huge improvement this year. I can't wait for this year to start. And yes, I'm with a lot of you on the "next year, next shmear" mantra, but that is the way it's been because we didn't have brass bold enough to clean house and start rebuilding like Lindsey is doing now. We aren't going to be that good this year. But I think in 4 years we will have a serious contender. Free Agency and the Draft will be very good to us, and, anyone doubting Lindsey's abilities...just look at his track record in San Antonio.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 9, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Good thing for the Jazz that Lindsey is running the show and not the conflicted fans. If you can't even make the playoffs with a team why keep the starters? Lindsey is showing bold, aggressive management. The Jazz will be better than expected this year and could be a solid playoff team in the future.

  • Utah Valley Guy Springville, UT
    July 9, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    You whiners about only getting a 2nd-round draft pick aren't thinking this through. Guess what the Jazz would have had if they hadn't done this deal? Nothing. Foye's a free agent.

    What's more, it's obvious that the Jazz are giving a HUGE vote of confidence to Hayward and Favors - both of whom they need to re-sign this year - and telling them, in effect, you are our future and we're going to give you every chance to make us a championship contender again in coming years.

    The best thing about the new team is that they've picked winners - Hayward and Burke are both guys who have proven that they play above their abilities to win. That kind of mental toughness and winners attitude is vastly under-rated in this league during the draft, but it's easy to recognize later because guys who have it win more games and championships.

    The new Jazz will learn mental toughness and how to win together. Ultimately, basketball is a team game - as San Antonio has shown year-in, year-out. Glad the Jazz know that and show it in their dealings.

  • RSLJAZZBYUUTAH West Valley, UT
    July 9, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    I think some of these people just like to complain, most of us were complainging about how we weren't using the young guys, now that we are, everyone is complaining, I hope we lose every game and get the #1 draft pick, and maybe a star will sign here also, because they see the potential. Stop complaining and lets see what happens.

  • RoHan WP, UT
    July 9, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    We still have no bench. Every starter from last year minus Gordon is gone and we got in return one second-round draft pick. WOW! This is going to be a long, ugly year.

    Foye was a big loss as was Demarre Carrol

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 9, 2013 4:47 p.m.

    To be honest...i was really looking for this...a complete overhaul...i dont think this has happened...we always bring free agents for continuity...and this time...we are building it from scratch and from the draft...think about the stats Kanter and Favors did playing limited minutes...especially Kanter...when he got the minutes...i think he recorded 1 20-20 game...yes i know i cant judge by just one game...but...if the guy can do it...im sure it will repeat...plus...we haven't seen Favors yet...this year...after his sessions with Karl Malone...i think this for me is a welcome change...and i am sure we will be losing for the next 2-3 years...but if it makes us as good as the Thunder...that's good with me...

  • bigirish OREM, UT
    July 9, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    So we let go of our two best scorers and now we let Foye go who was our best three-point shooter since Korver? And this is progress? More like decimation to me. Playoffs goodbye till 2020 and our kids grow up maybe. Trey isn't doing so well in the Summer league either, so see you in a few years Jazz. You've been rash and impulsive in putting this team together and letting big scorers go. As if this new group is going to make up for that? It's sad to watch.

  • Kakashi Tokyo, Japan
    July 10, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    @bigirish

    its like the old group would win us a championship...be realistic...the team is rebuilding...you cant rebuild if you are pushing for continuity...no one is forcing you to watch the massacre that is going to happen the next season...for sure we would lose a ton of games...and would probably win 20-30 games...hopefully

  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    July 11, 2013 10:17 p.m.

    Rush is just as good shooter as Foye, better defender and also a better rebounder!
    so at teh moment we
    1. Burke - Vacant - Burks
    2. Burks - Rush - Hayward
    3. Hayward - Jefferson - Williams
    4. Favors - Evans - Gobert - Willaims
    5. Kanter - Gobert - Beidrens

    We still Mc Neal, Mo & Tinsley -unsigned or not Guranteed
    I personally think with all that cap space next year and we will know by them which of the rookies will be up to the task by then - the future looks good