I really struggled with this article. For example: "It was probably a
better look than Millsap could be interpreted to be giving Favors on the
EnergySolutions Arena’s artwork this past season, where the veteran
forward peered over his shoulder at the third overall pick of the 2010 NBA
Draft."I have no idea what that is supposed to mean. "it would not be appropriate to not pay credence to another Jazz veteran:
Kevin O’Connor."I get what you're saying and I agree,
but why use a double negative? Also, I think you mean either "pay
homage" or "give credence."
This trade kept us from getting milsap and Carroll . Statistically, the three
new guys aren't collectively much better than Murphy. Don't break you
arm patting yourselves on the back. The jazz are looking at rebuilding in a
very unjazzlike way.
I love the moves Jazz have been making, with one exception, letting DeMarre
Carroll go. Some how I just can't help thinking that he got put into Tyrone
Corbin's Dog House (for whatever reason) and wasn't never going to see
the light of day with the Jazz. It's too bad; he brought energy and a
toughness to the team that was badly needed.DeMarre, I wish you all
the best and I'll be rooting for you whenever you play, except of course,
when you play against the Jazz.
@ET Bass, your right, they are rebuilding in a very "unjazzlike" way.
The Jazz way your referring to was to pick up veterans on the downslide to fill
in your roster and put them in key roles thus inhibiting the growth of the young
guys. That got them a 8th seed in the playoffs or a playoff miss year after
year. We needed something drastic to pull us out of that cycle.The 3
we received for Murphy not collectively better than him? Apparently you
haven't seen Brandon Rush play, not to mention the two 1st and two 2nd
round picks. Even if Rush fails to fully recover he is a free agent at the end
of the year and can be let go. That money they will have under the cap will be a
lot more important next year than it was this year. I will miss Carroll but
Milsap was not in the Jazz plans for the future and rightly so.
Murphy: Hero today, Goat tomorrow.Murphy had nothing to do with Burkes
still being there at #9. Jazz did good, but articles written like this create
this just in..we wont get rush biedrins and jefferson anymore...there's a
three team deal...Utah Warriors and Denver...where in we would only get is a
future second round pick...denver sign and trades iggy to warriors we sign and
trade foye to nuggets...we get a future second round pick from warriors...kinda
sucks right now
Great comments shaybo. I guess I've been too casual of an observer and was
especially concerned when I read about Millsap leaving. But this article does an
excellent job of giving a comprehensive accounting of all the smart moves the
Jazz have made this season that will help them in years to come. It's a
bit of housecleaning to get us over the hump we haven't been able to climb
since the late 90's. Now if the fans, including me, can just
be patient we might get something to cheer about within the next five years.
@kakashi,This trade is in discussion, does not affect the previous
trade for beidrens, RJ or Rush.
@COOL HAND LUKEreally?...i thought they pulled the earlier
trade...to make a new one...we should've try to get Corey Brewer though...
Jimmers on the market. Take him off the King's hands.
I've been looking at a few publications in the Atlanta area regarding
Demare Carroll. All of them are projecting Demare's points, rebounds and
assists based on 32-35 minutes per game and have him at a 20-8-3. I'm not
so much convinced that the Jazz let Demare go as much as Demare let the Jazz
go.The money would likely have been the same or perhaps better from
the Jazz but Atlanta could promise both Paul and Demare the one thing the Jazz
simply couldn't. The chance to start and play starter's minutes. I
think Demare chose to leave the Jazz, not the Jazz chosing to leave Demare. I
can't fault the guy for choosing starting and starter's minutes over
coming off of the bench behind less experienced players.
@ sneakyjimmyThe kings won't trade Jimmer for anything less
than a 2014 first rounder, and no one's gonna give one up for a guy yet to
prove himself, even though if the Jazz got him he'd set a record for most
Jersey sells in a day in Utah
Now that Lindsey has ruined the team for this year does that mean ticket prices
will be going down to watch a sub par NBA team?
@John Wicks"...ruined the team for this year...".That is a matter of perspective. While I agree we will be losing more games I
think many fans were sick of watching Jefferson and Millsap carry us....to miss
the playoffs every year. So, relatively speaking one could argue
the team was ruined before and that now we actually have the prospect of
watching something besides Jefferson hold the ball for 18 seconds out of every
24 seconds on the shot clock.Many would argue it is more exciting to
watch something different that actually has the prospect of improvement and
upside vs the proven failures that have been getting the ball for the last 3
failing seasons.There won't be a firesale on tickets for sure
at least at the outset but by mid to late season when the losing sets in my
guess is that you will be getting tickets on the cheap.Many Jazz
fans are thrilled and used to mediocrity and winning most home games/losing road
games and are fine with that...they are the fair-weather fans who will bail not
understanding the bigger picture of what is going on for the future.
@Mctejman"The kings won't trade Jimmer for anything less
than a 2014 first rounder"Actually the report out there is they
are looking to trade both him and Chuck Hayes for multiple second round picks or
cash to Cleveland.
I too am sadder about Carroll than anything else. I thought he was primarily
responsible for getting us into the playoffs in 2012.....then Corbin benched him
for Josh Howard. I agree, I think Corbin had something against him.I am ready to see my team lose some games so they can build. I think it is
important for our fans to try and come to as many home games as possible to
support the rebuilding.
The author talking about the big free agent market next season left off Dwayne
Wade, Chris Bosh (for reality sakes) but did mention Dirk and Pau Gasol...are
those two coming to Utah?...I think when they hold the Rose Bowl Parade in
American Fork, not before.The Jazz let go Randy Foye who stepped up
and shot the lights out and played defense and having managed to acquire next to
nothing in return they say it is all in the name of ....rebuilding.Jazz people take a look outside of Utah and 90% of the league is rebuilding.
The trouble is eah time the Jazz call for rebuilding they throw the baby out
with the bathwater. Oklahome is rebuilding but they are 5 years ahead of the
Jazz now, the Clippers are rebuilding and are 3 years ahead of the Jazz. The
Spurs, Lakers, Mavs, and Celtics are all rebuilding. Are the Jazz likely to
beat "any" of these teams to the punch?Josh Smith, Pau Gasol
and other quality players were on the block this season but the Jazz chose not
to compete this year or for the next.......
@Doug 10I don't really understand your comments. How are the
Spurs,Oklahoma,Lakers, and Clippers rebuilding? These are the top teams in the
west? You are not rebuilding if you are the best. The Spurs went to the
championship last year and they have exact same team coming back. Oklahoma is
not rebuilding nor are the Lakers . they lost Dwight Howard but otherwise
return the same team. These comment make no sense. The only way the jazz are
going to get better is through the draft, and that requires down years to get
the best talent. Free agents aren't going to come to Utah because its Utah
so we must build through acquiring assets via trade or the draft. I can't
seem to figure out why people don't understand this. Next years draft will
be one of the best since Lebron James draft year. we need to be as terrible as
possible so that we can get a good draft pick.
There are so many different opinions about this article. It is nice to know us
Jazz fans are being good citizens in our (somewhat) participatory democracy.
First of all, having been a fan of the Jazz since they were annually making deep
playoff runs ('96), I have seen that big market teams swallow up all the
best free agents. Many people on this page say the only way to build is through
the draft -- for small-market teams that is clearly true. However, I think it is
not accurate to say no one will ever want to come to Utah. All players ever talk
about is how they want to come to a "competitive" team. What they
don't talk about is how they would like to sign the largest contract
possible. Utah is putting themselves in the position to be both a competitive
team and have a ton of cap room. However, I don't think they will be
signing any more down-sliding vets like Gasol or Nowitzki. Those guys want to go
to a "win-now" team before their careers end. Hm. size limit. post
2 on the way :)
So, what we have for next year is an "awful" team judging by win-loss
record. However, real Jazz fans stick around for garbage time to see the next
generation shaping up. I have faithfully watched Kyrolo Fesenko, Kosta Koufos,
Kirk Snyder, Curtis Borchardt, guys who never quite caught on -- but you never
know if they will. Next year we have a season of "garbage time" for
players on rookie contracts to prove whether or not we should have faith in them
and sign them long-term. We should HOPE the team sucks; maybe we win the lottery
for once. Maybe that 2014 Warriors pick turns into a hot commodity. Maybe when
the class of '03 is getting old the Jazz come on strong and free agents
WANT to come to Utah. Bottom line, the Jazz will only have players on rookie
contracts in 2014-2015. Incredible salary cap room, 5 extra draft picks (2 in
1st, 3 in 2nd), and possibly a top pick in a deep draft. Being an NBA fan means
thinking long-term and watching the money like the stock market. Lindsey is for
real. Word to Billy Beane.