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  • From Ted's Head Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 5:15 a.m.

    The broad brush approach to reducing the harmful effects of porn on society, marriage, families and individuals isn't very helpful due to it's lack of specificity. I'm in disagreement with the idea that everyone who views porn is an addict.

    However, this article brings up some good points:

    1) The sex that is depicted in these hardcore pictures and videos are not good examples of unselfish, loving sexual congress between a man and a woman. Those who mimic this type of sex are not going to find that it builds a good loving relationship.

    2) These actors are paid to smile through the pain and discomfort. Getting paid to have sex with random men is not a normal decision for many women, much less on camera.

    3) Training one's brain to be sexually excited via a computer monitor isn't going to help with a 3D person, especially when the lights are off. Photoshopped/edited images are hard for normal looking people to compete with.

    Porn can be defeated one person at a time, once they make the decision to avoid it. Teaching people how and why to do so is what's most important. Better information = better results.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    Sounds to me like repubs want more nanny government to monitor and regulate my life.

    I have a better idea, why not let the free market decide?

    As we learned with the gun debate new rules and regulations won't do anything. So why do repubs insist that they will with porn?

    Stop repub nanny government from always looking over my shoulder! Get big government off our backs. We cannot afford this anymore. Where in the constitution does it specifically mention porn? Lets get back to the founding principles and values of this country. Give me freedom or give me death!

    Get rid of these big government repubs!

  • SlopJ30 St Louis, MO
    July 8, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    One of the un-asked questions here is "what is porn?" The D-News readership is -- let's face it -- decidedly on the Puritanical side. Is any depiction of sexuality on film considered porn? If not, where is the line drawn? When does it become harmful? I know many in my family equate pretty much any sex scene as porn.

    I'm not saying I have the answers to these questions, but they are more worthy of discussion and require more thought than just stating "boy, porn sure is bad for society." Lots of things are harmful if consumed in large quantities.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    July 8, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    @ Real Maverick

    This story is detailing problems associated with pornography not supposed solutions that you are implying are attached to this story.

  • Nuschler SAN MARCOS, CA
    July 8, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    @ Real Maverick

    I must have missed the "repub nanny government" part of the story. Nice tangent though.

  • james d. morrison Boise, CA
    July 8, 2013 8:10 a.m.

    Slopj30, Here's an example of a show where it technically might not be considered porn because they aren't actually having sex but really is porn in what it portrays; Game of Thrones.

  • Midvaliean MIDVALE, UT
    July 8, 2013 8:12 a.m.

    This article has no balance in it. The author has an agenda and no other opinion will be inserted. Keep that in mind when reading this.
    I don't care for this kind of one sided research. If this article were true than everyone who looked at porn would be raping women. Not the case, not even close.

  • george of the jungle goshen, UT
    July 8, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    I think the taxes on porn is going to increase a lot, to where no one can buy it. This is the same shame the tobacco went through. porn has more money. to fight

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 8:51 a.m.

    If comments in this paper required facebook profiles, several porn addicts would be revealed to the world.

  • Random Redlands, CA
    July 8, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    Obviously, to me, the anecdotal evidence seen throughout the world hasn't come to the home of many other commenters. You've never held your friend's hand as she sobbed about finding her husband's stash of porn and realized suddenly why she never measure up. You've never had a friend tell you she needed a new computer because she sent a chair through the monitor after finding her husband's web history. You've never felt the pain, the heartache, as a friend wonders what she could have done differently to save her marriage, when there was really no chance, because she wouldn't do what he saw in movies. I've seen two divorces because of porn, and one almost divorce. The exes are left wondering what they could have done and the kids are broken-hearted.
    The government doesn't have to be a nanny government on this, but society has to be better about not accepting porn and "everyone does it" as fact.

  • The Scientist Provo, UT
    July 8, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    Why such a preoccupation with porn in the DN and the LDS Church?

  • Tekakaromatagi Dammam, Saudi Arabia
    July 8, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    The porn industry is predatory capitalism. This is what we were warned about when Marx said capitalism will collapse because of its excesses. These are those excesses.

    On the other end of the political spectrum, some were saying God would destroy us because of immorality. It looks like both were right.

    @SlopJ30: "The D-News readership is -- let's face it -- decidedly on the Puritanical side." Actually, the D-News readership is -- let's face it -- on the liberal side and they object to women being objectified as sex toys for men.

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    July 8, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    The real danger with Porn or any other form of entertainment is when the viewer begins to take it seriously. I think watching "the bachelor" is a form of addiction and possibly dangerous as well. In reading some of the examples of how porn has ruined a marriage, I think that porn is only a symptom. If a guy is messed up then viewing porn is only one manifestation of that.

  • pumpkin Huntington, Utah
    July 8, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    after reading the comments: wow you have some really porn addicted males (I am assuming male) in your readership. Porn is sick for the soul no matter the rationalization.

  • Hutterite American Fork, UT
    July 8, 2013 9:14 a.m.

    The latest in the 'porn is everywhere' series.

  • Logit ,
    July 8, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    I'm hoping there's a part of this series that addresses the equally damaging issue of EMOTIONAL PORNOGRAPHY. Think Lifetime channel movies, romance novels, romantic comedies from Hollywood. Think vampire books.

    Physical pornography, like that described in this article, is easily identified. Porn bookstores are clearly marked; there are internet filters. But emotional pornography? It's equally damaging to relationships--but much, much more insidious.

    It's a common on-line dating profile header: "Where's my prince charming?" And it's a common frustration behind the divorce statistics. This is the effect of emotional porn. Emotional porn sets the expectation that the *ideal* relationship is one that will satisfy my desire for constant attention, validate me as a worthwhile person, painlessly take care of all my material needs, give me an endless emotional thrill ride--and require very little responsibility or sacrifice in return.

    Sound familiar? Emotional pornography fires-up the very same dopamine receptors as physical porn, is just as exploitative, is just as damaging, and sets just as many unrealistic relationship expectations. ...But emotional porn goes on right under our noses. We invite it into our home. We seek its messages while out on date-night.

  • bw00ds Tucson, AZ
    July 8, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    Some of the comments here are definite evidence of the nonchalance toward porn as a problem in society. I agree with a couple of the commenters, who I think correctly determined who exactly are making those kind of comments.

    "The most-cited problems included meeting a new love interest (68 percent) and obsessive interest in pornographic sites (56 percent)."

    I believe that much of the cited 68% is a direct result of the 56% percent.

    One other aspect of the story that strikes me is that Lili Bee was living with her boyfriend. Well, what did she expect? What does shacking up, being unmarried mean? Not necessarily the woman, but in many cases, what kind of man would go into such (and suggest as such) a relationship? I shake my head in incredulity.

  • twelvestringsam Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    The statistics are pretty clear. Pornography producers are making money off of those they are aggressively addicting. It is an addiction, and can be a destroyer of families. What can be done to help those who are addicted to Porn?

  • LA Mormon West Valley, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    The porn industry is protected by the 1st Amendment just like any other form of artistic expression. If women are hurt by porn maybe they should not get married to a man at all. Most men view porn. It is normal. All straight men are attracted to women and fantasize about them. That is how men are programmed. If a man tells a woman that he is not thinking about sex and that he does not sometimes fantasize about other women he is lying. All men do.

    As far as this article goes, if women are being abused in the porn industry they need to file charges against the companies they work for. I think however that the women in porn are not being mistreated at all. They chose the profession and they agreed to whatever was asked of them on the set. Porn is a part of life and is becoming more acceptable. Anything can be addictive if you have too much of it, including an obsession of having more children than you can afford. That seems to be a more dangerous addiction than porn here in Utah.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 8, 2013 10:07 a.m.

    It's worth noting that the most sexually repressed societies (and states) have the most pornography problems.

    The fact that this is ubiquitous in the country settled by Puritans simply demonstrates that Newton's 3rd law of motion is not just applicable to physics.

  • Red Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:10 a.m.

    Porn is a poor substitute for the real thing.

    No one wants their daughter to be a porn star unless they themselves have no morals and are a loser of a Father.

    Even the advocates of free speech know that Porn is for dirtbags.

    We need to for sure limit who has access to it. We need it away from our kids.

  • Johnny Triumph American Fork, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    At some point in the future we'll have a society that doesn't care any longer. We'll have a majority of citizens who think the porn lifestyle is the right way for relationships. Sexual crimes, especially violent ones, will be the norm and we'll, by then, have reduced legal prosecution of them. Then our society will begin to collapse. We need to be vigilant against letting the small cracks damage the entire dam, we need to plug the cracks and repair them if we hope to have any sort of future.

  • KinCO Fort Collins, CO
    July 8, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Most of these comments are HILARIOUS! Such frantic posturing, such anxious rationalizing--you think maybe these guys are like the little boy caught with his hand in the cookie jar?! Apparently quite a few commenters have a bit of a problem . . .

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 8, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    @Johnny Triumph --

    "Sexual crimes, especially violent ones, will be the norm and we'll, by then, have reduced legal prosecution of them. Then our society will begin to collapse. "

    There's at least one huge problem with your vision.

    In reality, sexual crimes are NOT increasing in this country. In fact, rapes are slightly LOWER than they were 30 years ago.

    From the US Census Bureau -- Rate of rapes, per 100,000 people:

    1980 -- 36.8
    1985 -- 36.8
    1990 -- 41.1
    1995 -- 37.1
    2000 -- 32.0
    2005 -- 31.8
    2009 -- 28.7

    That kinda blows the theory about "rise of porn = rise in sex crimes" out of the water....

  • jonjon Cedar Hills, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:29 a.m.

    For those asking 'what exactly is porn?' why toe the line? President Hinckley had it right, avoid it like the plague, for that is exactly what it is. No not everyone who views porn rapes someone, but having known two teenagers in prison now for child abuse why even experiment with porn. Both of those kids had pornography as a regular part in their daily routine. No matter what your stance on it is, nothing good comes from it. The viewer is idle for hours and progress is stopped. I'm glad the D News is making this research more public. There is help for those who want it out of their lives.

  • Redshirt1701 Deep Space 9, Ut
    July 8, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    To "The Real Maverick" wow, you attacked the Republicans in an article that neither mentioned them or even suggested any government control.

    What is wrong with reporting on the damage that porn does to society?

  • Happymomma MOORESVILLE, NC
    July 8, 2013 11:33 a.m.

    @The Scientist - Why does the LDS church focus so much on this? Because it destroys families.

    @Midvaliean - Of course this is one-sided. They are trying to help people understand how dangerous this is. Besides, it would be really hard to portray the good that comes from pornography. One quick search on the internet and all I could find were stories of addiction and heart ache and several people saying they had every right to do it because it is their right. But nothing that stated a benefit to society or a positive effect in marriage or personal life.

    The article is not asking for new laws it is only trying to make people stand against it and say enough is enough. Why would we be ok with something that destroys so many marriages, lures women into degrading and horrible situations to make money, and has the potential to become addictive and damaging to the boys and men in our society. It makes no sense why anyone would defend this other than to protect their own desires. It is disgusting and selfish.

  • BKB Chantilly/USA, 00
    July 8, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    I think the author just scratched the surface on the many consequences of pornography use. The focus was on the impact to partners. The divorce statistics are sobering enough but many scientific studies show huge negative consequences that some commenters seem unaware of. Here are just a few of the consequences:

    Erectile dysfunction.
    Decreased ability to love another person, including spouse.
    Decreased ability to form and maintain strong relationships and bonds with others, especially family members
    Decreased self-confidence, self-esteem along with increased shame and guilt.
    Lack of ambition and performance on job or in school.

    There are many more science-based and faith-based consequences. They are easily found if you want to find them. The key consequence question may be "How do you know that porn is not bad if you don't try living life without it?"

    There are also better solutions coming out all the time for quitting pornography viewing that are not so expensive as existing ones. One of them is the Addiction Recovery Program (free online manual) of the LDS Church and another is Power Over Pornography (inexpensive eBook).

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    July 8, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    I think I am more disappointed by some of the comments than the article.

    Freedom does not mean anything. We have to have laws and rules for reasons. If something tears down our society, causes danger or threatens others then we need to fix it. What maybe free for one is not for another. If anyone really thinks that Porn is not dangerous and harmful to society as a whole then please do more reading. Yes we have free speech but I also have the freedom to feel and be safe.

    If we really want to be "free" as some have suggested or want to let nature take its course then we need to legalize things that society has chosen. Legalize drugs, violence, take all traffic laws away, gun laws, no security at airports and don’t forget the IRS laws (let us decide what is fair). I am sure we can all be "responsible" with these items and free choices. Most of these things are also not specifically mentioned in the Constitution as well. Do you really think that pulling many of these laws (constitutional rights) would make us more free?

    Garbage in Garbage out. Porn is Gargage

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    LOgit- Thank you for your comments. Having been through this kind of relationship, where she was addicted to romance novels, and Lifetime movies, etc,. I know exactly what you are talking about. When we first started counseling (LDS family services) the counselors all said that what she had was not a dangerous addiction, nothing more than "recreational reading, or normal, healthy fantasy", I kept wondering why we couldn't focus on the fact that she was distant, didn't feel like being intimate with me, or always comparing me or my faults to other men. When I started reading some of her books I was amazed at the vivid detail put into the sex acts between the men and women. The words were hilarious, but still, very vivid and erotic. We finally went to a non-LDS counselor and she agreed that women can become as addicted to romantic fantasy as men do to porn! When my wife heard this, she finally began the process of understanding SHE was the one with a problem and took steps to get over it. That, thankfully, was 10 years ago. So far, so good!

  • merich39 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    I've read many of these anti-pornography articles and almost always, the assumption is the same: one partner in a relationship (typically the male) who views porn without the knowledge of or participation from the other partner. These articles never acknowledge the fact that many healthy, loving, committed couples view or share porn together. It's an uncomfortable truth to acknowledge if you have a specific agenda. However, couples sharing porn together is a reality. Porn, if shared as a couple, can enhance a relationship instead of damage it.

  • Paul Duane Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    One of the fundamental hurts that come from pornography is the feeling that your partner actually desires something different and "better" than you. Wives and girlfriends have every right to feel marginalized when their husbands turn to porn for sexual satisfaction rather than them.

    It goes both ways:

    Women regularly consume media that can cause their male partners to feel marginalized and devalued as well. They are called romantic comedies and romance novels. Somehow we have created a society where it's socially acceptable for women to swoon over media that sets up unfair comparisons between fictional men and their real world partners, yet we demonize men for doing the same thing.

    Put down your Ryan Gosling films ladies, and we will put down our Playboy.

  • BYU Track Star Los Angeles, CA
    July 8, 2013 12:25 p.m.

    Pornography cuts both way in relationships. I wonder how many guys who are "good enough" husbands. Who go to work every day. Honor and respect their wives. And then find out that their wives are going to divorce them because their wife(s) have been regularly consuming romance novels and now have an unrealistic relationship expectations from the man in their life. These soon to be former wives think there are guys out there who are sensitive, but manly and loaded with dough. Lady Readers, you have a better chance winning the Powerball lottery IN UTAH than landing such a guy. Men and women's brains are wired differently. Knowledging these differences and knowing what lights up each other brain pleasure centers will go a long way towards better inter-gender relationships.

  • Happymomma MOORESVILLE, NC
    July 8, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    @joseywales and Paul Duane - The LDS church is very aware that women are addicted to pornography as well and that their addiction is usually written pornography. There was an article about it in the July 2003 Ensign and googling "lds women addicted to romance novels" brings up many articles and resources. The LDS addiction recovery program is for many kinds of addictions. I have had this topic brought up in a Relief Society lesson as well. I think it is finally coming to light much better than it used to. Joseywales - I am sorry that the person you worked with did not help you at the time, people make mistakes. I am so glad your wife got help and you have a happy ending.

    Of course there is help for various addictions from many sources, I just used the LDS church as an example because it was brought up earlier, but the LDS church is not naive to it. We all need to be vigilant to make sure appropriate entertainment is entering our home. The smut in books is just as deplorable. I have heard many books, like Fifty Shades of Grey, is disgusting in every way.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    Haha!

    Hilarious to see the right defend this article. When, according to the Eagle Forum, education and knowledge only lead to curiosity and experimentation. They teach us, "if we ignore sex edu then students won't be curious and screw up."

    So why doesn't that same logic apply to porn?

    Hilarious to watch the right get all worked up over sex education yet defend article after article talking about porn.

    Do we support or reject education?

  • Irony Guy Bountiful, Utah
    July 8, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    My LDS mother in law walks out of movies repeatedly, even walking out of Shakespeare plays and the opera. I know LDS women who won't allow their children to read books like The Scarlet Letter or The Great Gatsby because they are about "immoral people." I have no illusions about pornography and its dangers, but why do so many women in our community become virtually hysterical about any mention of sex? With all the emphasis on the horrors and dangers of sexuality, can't we strike a balance of some kind?

  • 3circles Columbia, MD
    July 8, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Porn is a special problem in itself, because to some, it is extremely addictive, to the point where they jeopardize their relationships and careers. There are people who can take or leave porn, others who fall into addictions as strong as that for alcohol or narcotics. The problem with sexually explicit materials is that they are now so easy to obtain, and difficult to avoid. Compounding this is the complicity of big businesses, like hotel chains, who benefit greatly financially by allowing this explicit, titillating content on their cable systems.
    If you are a Christian, the problem is even worse. Porn is an act of mental adultery, as mentioned in the Sermon on the Mount. I don't think as Americans we should criminalize this material, but those who don't want it shouldn't be the ones responsible for blocking it either. We have not common ground that respects freedoms and benefits society at this time.

  • LA Mormon West Valley, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    The comments on this board are very interesting. The posts about the possible problems caused by porn are not based in reality. The reality of things is this. Most men look at porn. Some look at porn more than others. Porn is not dangerous and it does not lead to any other type of dangerous activity. If porn were as dangerous as it appears in some of these comments we would have a serious problem with males committing all kinds of sex crimes. That is not the case and actually as some on this board have mentioned crimes are decreasing across the board. Let me argue another point. Throughout history the legislation of morality has always failed. We saw it with prohibition in the 1920's and we see it with the War on Drugs currently. Governments can not legislate morality. It does not work. What we need to do is regulate the sex industry. Make it safe for adults to participate in it and punish severely those individuals who break the regulations that are in place. Other states and countries have legalized prostitution. Utah should as well if we are being honest about the world we live in.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    "Real Maverick" As much as you might like to pretend such; - not everything is an "R" or a "D" issue.

    "Irony guy" You've hit on the exact problem; when people try to tell OTHERS what they can and cannot see. In some instances, people try to "outrighteous" others, (as bizarre as that sounds).

    Pornography CAN be treated as an addiction. Just like any other addiction,(shopping, nagging, blogging on the DN, drinking, smoking, etc. ALL those things are legal and fine UNTIL they become an addiction that harms others. At which time treatment must be requested, or treatment will never occur.

  • Happymomma MOORESVILLE, NC
    July 8, 2013 1:57 p.m.

    @The Real Maverick - "if we ignore sex edu then students won't be curious and screw up."? No, we don't ignore sex ed. Some of us prefer to teach it in our own homes, that it is sacred and beautiful and that it should be reserved for marriage. Nothing wrong with wanting to teach that to our children. I explained all they wanted to know and they asked a lot of questions! I also teach my children how horrible pornography is and that it can destroy families and individuals. I teach my children the path that I think will bring the most peace, safety, and happiness. I think I have that right.

  • zoar63 Mesa, AZ
    July 8, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    And verily I say unto you, as I have said before, he that looketh on a woman to lust after her, or if any shall commit adultery in their hearts, they shall not have the Spirit, but shall deny the faith and shall fear.
    (D&C 63:16)

    Ye have heard that it was said by them of old time, Thou shalt not commit adultery:
    But I say unto you, that whosoever looketh on a woman to lust after her hath committed adultery with her already in his heart.
    (Matt 5:27-28)

    This is about the sin of lusting after a woman and its consequences but it could also be applied to pornography. The viewer lusts after the images displayed whether in film or photo and that leads to adultery being committed in the heart. Not the actual act but the mental fantasies that are put into the mind. And then the consequences; not having the spirit to attend you, questioning your beliefs, and Being defensive or rationalizing your conduct (fear)

  • Big Bubba Herriman, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    Addiction to porn is like a drug addiction, yet people who would not dare touch methamphetamine with a ten foot pole willingly take up a porn addiction. I don't mess with it because it is spiritually damaging and I have seen how it messes up guys' sense of normal sexuality.

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    I find it surprising that ANY of these posts would defend pornography or criticize those who are opposed to it. Is there really anything of any redeem quality about pornography? Really?

  • JBT Provo, UT
    July 8, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    @ Happymomma - "... I am sorry that the person you worked with did not help you at the time, people make mistakes. I am so glad your wife got help and you have a happy ending." what a Pun... haha. Sorry, couldn't pass it up.

    Porn, like every other addiction, can be destructive. But don't label everyone who watches Porn, or reads 'Smut' books, as an addict, or a person with a 'Problem'!! Some people view it, or read those 'smut' books, for pure Fantasy reasons. (Some just Love sex.. Shocker huh!?) Before people decide to Label their spouse or partner as a 'Porn Addict, perhaps people should look deeper into their own relationships. Perhaps something is missing...?? Like a Healthy Sex Life!!! News flash - Sex is good! Sex can be incredible!! I wold Much rather spend time and money on Educating people about having a healthy sex life, then try to 'Eradicate' Porn. Porn is a multi-Billion dollar industry. It's not going anywhere! Educate!! And for some of you, start watching it!! Sounds like you need a healthy release...

  • Miss Piggie Pheonix, AZ
    July 8, 2013 2:50 p.m.

    @SlopJ30:
    "One of the un-asked questions here is 'what is porn?'"

    Good question. I think the DNews or other publications should post pictures so we can see with our own eyes what porn really is. Otherwise we are not the wiser about the subject and we have to guess, and guessing of often wrong.

    I hear there are folks who view porn as akin to viewing breathtaking sunsets from the balconies of their summer homes on the beach.

    "When does it become harmful?"

    It becomes harmful when churches and others teach that it is harmful and people start accepting it.

    For the wives who sob and disparage when they find their spouses involved in porn, perhaps the answer is in their own boudoir...

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 8, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    @very concerned --

    "I find it surprising that ANY of these posts would defend pornography or criticize those who are opposed to it. Is there really anything of any redeem quality about pornography? Really?"

    I think porn has some very real, and potentially very damaging, effects on society -- especially when viewed by the very young.

    Nonetheless, I'm a huge fan of using *facts* to back up one's arguments. When a person tries to argue using false claims, that doesn't help anyone.

    By all means -- spread the word that porn damages the important connections between sex and emotion. Point out to people that porn encourages promiscuity. Let people know that the porn industry often victimizes women in particular. These are all true and important effects of porn.

    But don't try to argue that porn increases sex crimes -- because the facts say otherwise.

  • Neanderthal Pheonix, AZ
    July 8, 2013 3:07 p.m.

    @Happymomma:
    "One quick search on the internet and all I could find were stories of addiction and heart ache..."

    I did a quick check and all I got was... (gasp) porn.

    "Why would we be OK with something that destroys so many marriages..."

    Porn is often the consequence of poor sexual relationships between husband and wife. That's were the emphasis and teachings should begin.

    @The Real Maverick:
    "So why doesn't that same logic apply to porn?"

    Good question... there are civilizations in the world where people go around naked all day. They don't seems to have a problem with wives who sob their eyes out and head for divorce court.

    The supposed ill effects on families, wives, etc., must be the result of some other unknown factor.

  • LA Mormon West Valley, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:09 p.m.

    All Utahns should be taught about the dangers of unprotected sex and they should honor the life creating power that sex has. Utah needs to have stronger sex education programs in schools and teach children about the responsibilities that all human beings have in terms of their sex lives. That is the key. Utah has a problem with STD's and unwanted pregnancies. The crusade in Utah should be about improving those things. Porn should not be our top priority. All babies born in Utah deserve to be born into a kind and loving family that desires them. I would like all Utahns to focus on eliminating all STD's and underage pregnancies.

    The spread of STD's can be stopped by better education about the realities of sex and unwanted pregnancies can be eliminated with the proper use of contraceptives. Both of these things should be the subjects of news articles. Porn as an issue is irrelevant to the most important issues that Utah really should be dealing with.

    Religious groups do not want to confront the real underlying issues with human sexuality so they create a scapegoat in the case of porn for the world's problems.

  • NateSG St.George, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:19 p.m.

    Pornography- Means the writing of harlots. I think we have a sixth-sense when it comes to knowing what pornography is, as one court ruled.A nanny state is not making laws due to a harm. Government is a safety net not a life runner.
    What is violence? We make laws due to violence all the time.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 8, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    @very concerned – “I find it surprising that ANY of these posts would defend pornography or criticize those who are opposed to it. Is there really anything of any redeem quality about pornography? Really?”

    Because for many people looking at other naked people engaged in whatever is not really the problem - the problem is how people relate to it.

    1conservative got it right… it’s about obsession and addiction (and people can become addicted to almost anything) and as I tried to point out below there is a direct relationship between the degree people try to repress normal feelings (and sexual feelings are as normal as they come) and the amount of unhealthy outlets they will seek to express them.

    Of course the best outlet is a healthy monogamous relationship but there are many reasons why that can be less than satisfying for many people and maybe in those cases erotica/porn is a healthier outlet than cheating on a spouse.

    Like most things in life it’s about moderation, balance, perspective and not causing harm to others (including other people seeing harm where there is often none).

  • RockOn Spanish Fork, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    Debate on WHAT porn is ended long ago when a Supreme Court justice admitted he couldn't define it but knew it when he saw it.

    And I noted that some commentors are whining that someone (Repulicans seem to be their targets) is saying they're going to pass more laws. I believe the point of the article was behavioral and not political. The article points out the harm caused and the stereotypical imagery created. Not laws. And laws aren't needed here, just exposure for what this is and the harm.

    I do appreciate the person who asked another person who was praising porn, "And would you feel the same if those women were your mother, wife or daughter?" "How gross" was the reponse. Easy to ignore the victims when you don't know them.

  • Cedarite Cedar City, UT
    July 8, 2013 3:39 p.m.

    Some other comments have mentioned Game of Thrones, The Bachelor and romance novels as examples of destructive porn. I am curious to know if Utahns in general feel that classical and Renaissance art is porn, if bare shoulders on a painting of a woman are porn, etc. Should things that are widely considered to be art (for instance, Botticelli's Venus) be edited or barred from public display in Utah? Could someone putting on a renaissance art exhibit that contains nudity be prosecuted for violating community standards? I'm mainly asking because the definition seems to be very broad at this point and there seems to be a "no exceptions" philosophy developing which could extend to artwork and books which are not seen as being objectionable elsewhere. I'm thinking specifically along the lines of Michelangelo, Botticelli, etc. Having clear definitions will be important for those in the arts so they can decide to leave Utah, not show in Utah, etc.

  • Mike Richards South Jordan, Utah
    July 8, 2013 3:40 p.m.

    What a wonderful article. We are free to read and accept, "The Family: A Proclamation to The World" wherein God told us that sex is only to be part of marriage and that marriage is between a man ad a woman; where God told us that we were not to have sex before marriage nor are we to have sex outside of marriage.

    Viewing others performing sex acts is not part of marriage. Wishing or pretending to have another spouse is not part of marriage.

    The only question that we need ask ourselves is whether we believe God and accept His council, or whether we reject Him.

  • Happymomma MOORESVILLE, NC
    July 8, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    @Neanderthal - Wow... sorry, I should have spelled it out more clearly. I thought someone reading my post would assume I googled "how does pornography benefit a society". Because yes, anyone who googles porn is going to get porn.

    And in my experience with friends and family, it is most often an addiction that came with the husband into the marriage. He hoped it would stop after being married and found he couldn't control it. I am sure there are many reasons that it starts, but to say that makes it look like you are deflecting it to the wife.

  • Cap'n Parrotdead Onalaska, WA
    July 8, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    Oh yeah, now I remember why I don't read the DN; Stupidity like this.

  • Tyler D Meridian, ID
    July 8, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    @Mike Richards – “The only question that we need ask ourselves is whether we believe God and accept His council, or whether we reject Him.”

    Curious Mike – what are the consequences for people who reject God’s council (i.e., what will happen to them)?

    Please be specific…

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    July 8, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    @Contrarius:
    "Let people know that the porn industry often victimizes women in particular. These are all true and important effects of porn."

    If there is victimization of women, they are the primary drive behind it. If women refuse to disrobe there'd be little or no porn.

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    @Random
    "Obviously, to me, the anecdotal evidence seen throughout the world hasn't come to the home of many other commenters."

    It's a very case by case thing where both members of the couple need to be open about it and their expectations of lack of use. For instance, I once had a girlfriend who suggested I look at porn because she thought I was too sexually repressed (suffice it to say we were not a very compatible couple). I'm sure she and a guy who were both interested in porn could get along just fine. Other people are not okay with it and as such there needs to be honesty in the relationship so that there aren't any awful surprises.

    @SlopJ30: "The D-News readership is -- let's face it -- decidedly on the Puritanical side."

    Your examples were not puritanical, puritanical would be something like someone complaining about lingerie ads in store fliers and paintings in the Louvre.

  • KJB1 Eugene, OR
    July 8, 2013 6:50 p.m.

    Everybody here who is freaking out so ardently needs to get rid of their home DVD players and video cameras, never watch a streaming video of any sort, and never order anything online with a credit card ever. Porn made all those technologies possible.

    Really. Look it up.

  • FelisConcolor North Salt Lake, UT
    July 8, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    Did anyone else find this article unintentionally hilarious?

    Here we have a sophisticated New York woman, living the modern commitment-free lifestyle in the big city, who suddenly turns into a pearl-clutching Victorian matron at the very thought of her live-in boyfriend looking at naked women other than herself. And then to push the punch line further, we find that this woman is an "interfaith minister" who preaches to others the moral perils of porn consumption.

    Does anyone else see the glaring irony here?

    If one of those "narrow-minded" Televangelists had upbraided her at the time for "living in sin" and eschewing traditional marriage I'm sure she would have responded with an angry lecture about how it is no one else's business what consenting adults do in their bedroom, and anyone who judges someone else's sexual habits is a creepy perv who is obsessed with sex.

    I can agree that porn can be addictive, and that it can damage families and marriages, and can have a detrimental effect on sexuality.

    But find another spokesperson; this one has no credibility whatsoever.

  • schlumpy Orem, UT
    July 8, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    People who defend pornography as non-addictive must not be familiar with research studies that show the addiction center if the brain signals faster and brighter when the subject is viewing porn than when a subject is using meth. What is worse is that in theory you can take a drug away from someone's possession, but images stay ingrained in one's mind. Why is porn defendable?

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    July 8, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    LA Mormon,

    You stated the following: "Porn is not dangerous and it does not lead to any other type of dangerous activity."

    All depends on your definition of "dangerous." Child porn is criminal and is certainly dangerous to the children who are sought by such predators who may be involved with child porn. Adult porn is "dangerous" to families and society. Single parent homes are unfortunately the result of porn addictions which led to infidelity, lost jobs/careers, deviant activity, etc... Personally,I have witnessed the dangers of porn addiction when it spirals out of control. It has destroyed 2 marriages in my family with the core problem starting with porn. Unfortunately, it is just a gateway that leads to other behaviors (infidelity, constant lies and coverups, etc...) which are actually what destroy the foundation of any good relationship (trust).

    I have no idea if adult porn leads to dangers like sexual crimes but it is a destructive force on families which are the foundation of our society. Certainly, some can manage it but many can't. Personally, the cost/benefits of viewing porn are not worth it and i would recommend to all to stay far, far away.

  • trekker Salt Lake, UT
    July 8, 2013 8:14 p.m.

    Sex should be about love not lust, If a man lusted after a woman he has already committed adultery in his heart. Porn is addicting anyone saying otherwise is fooling only themselves. Most rapists will tell you it all started with porn, but after awhile that was not enough for their fantasies they had to turn to sex through force. Just you remember those who think porn is okay that is somebody's daughter out there. Would you want your daughter out doing that and having dirty men treat her like a piece of meat?

  • Richard Larson Galt, CA
    July 8, 2013 8:39 p.m.

    "Second hand porn".......
    Gee-wiz, how p(h)unny!!!!!

  • Big Bubba Herriman, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    @ LA Mormon:

    "Porn as an issue is irrelevant to the most important issues that Utah really should be dealing with."

    Holy cow! Rampant divorces and skewed understandings of healthy sexual expression in marriages due to porn makes porn a very relevant issue for Uthans. These are only 2 major problems with porn in Utah. The list goes on.

  • Tyler Ray Taylorsville, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:12 p.m.

    @ Logit,

    you are right. The Screwtape Letters by CS Lewis address the fake idea of love found in the media these days.

    It really is sad to see all the rationalization taking place by commentors on this board.

    I taught a woman on my mission who used to watch porn with her husband. we taught her the law of chastity and she thought we were crazy. Then she later found out her husband was cheating on her and hurt her deeply. Porn is NOT healthy or good for relationships, in fact it's just the opposite.

  • Lasvegaspam Henderson, NV
    July 8, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Las Vegas, my current home, offers a perfect example of deception and make-believe, the same things that are inherent in the porn industry.

    People come here thinking they’re gonna win BIG, only to leave penniless. We all laugh at how all the flights coming into Vegas are parties in the sky, with the boozing and excitement starting before the folks even land. Conversely, have you ever been on an outbound Vegas flight? Notice the contrast next time. They are almost dead silent, as everyone is heading back to reality, and counting their losses; yet, no doubt, planning for the next time they’ll score.

    If this cycle could not be repeated ad infinitum, Las Vegas would not exist.

    Porn does the same thing to you, my friends. The same thing.

    If only you could see the gambling addicts that end up on the streets here, who lose home and job and family. Who lose all self-respect, and yet still continue in the stranglehold of addiction, knowing that just one more time will give them all they need.

  • JayTee Sandy, UT
    July 8, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    I think "porn" is often a scapegoat (and maybe an escape) from weak and dysfunctional relationships. We always have people who want to control what we see, eat, and think--but morality can't be legislated; it can only be taught through example. Many relationships fail because of real or imagined "affairs," but also often they fail because someone is having an affair with the TV, the refrigerator, or the credit card. There are all kinds of damaging and destructive behaviors and "addictions," but there are also many causes or contributors to these behaviors and "addictions." It's a complex subject, and this article tends to overgeneralize as if it were talking about something like lime disease.

  • O'really Idaho Falls, ID
    July 8, 2013 11:09 p.m.

    LA Mormon. Go ahead and tell my friend who's husband was addicted to porn that it's not dangerous. He lost his lucrative career, his marriage, many friends and his dignity because of porn. Pull your head out of the sand.

  • 3circles Columbia, MD
    July 8, 2013 11:28 p.m.

    @Contrious,
    Your dismissal of the connection between porn and sex crimes is puzzling to me. There are several studies which indicate a positive correlation between the use of porn and increased sexual criminal activity. Please look for SEXUAL OFFENDERS AND PORNOGRAPHY:A CAUSAL CONNECTION?, and Pornography use and sexual aggression: the impact of frequency and type of pornography use on recidivism among sexual offenders, or Use of Pornography in the Criminal and Developmental Histories of Sexual Offenders. These studies all contest your assumption.
    To be fair, there are also other studies which show that there is either no causal effect or a decrease in the use of porn and sex crimes, but the matter is not something which can be summarily dismissed.

  • Twin Lights Louisville, KY
    July 8, 2013 11:29 p.m.

    Would you recommend that your daughter or other loved one enter the porn industry?

    If not, why not?

    Do you think that your loved one would be benefited or damaged by their participation in the industry?

    Purchasing the product provides incentives to the system to make more and to bring more young people into the industry.

    If we purchase the product, we then have a role in damaging the young people who enter the industry.

    Can we be moral/ethical and purchase porn knowing it damages it participants?

  • dropout Logan, UT
    July 8, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    I believe the bigger issue with the majority of these couples is that one spouse is lying. Constant deception in a relationship is the reason they feel betrayed when they find out. Its not porn that is hurting these relationships, its dishonesty and poor communication.

  • Mr. Bean Pheonix, AZ
    July 9, 2013 12:23 a.m.

    @Austin Coug:
    "Single parent homes are unfortunately the result of porn addictions which led to infidelity..."

    How is it that you're so sure porn is the culprit that leads to infidelity? Perhaps porn usage may result from lackadaisical attention in the boudoir.

    The human male has a constant and unending sex drive conferred by mother nature. He's been dumped on by nature's God while his female counterpart has a 'not now, perhaps later' sort of drive. Sometimes the human male gets overpowered with drive while his companion tends the proverbial headache.

    "... which are actually what destroy the foundation of any good relationship (trust)."

    Trust?? Trust?? What about a little accommodation to enhance and encourage trust?

  • very concerned Sandy, UT
    July 9, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    @ Neanderthal
    “Good question... there are civilizations in the world where people go around naked all day. They don't seems to have a problem with wives who sob their eyes out and head for divorce court.”

    Not a good argument. Consider the Yanomamo tribe of Brazil, one of the most *primitive* and in-tact tribes remaining in the world. They are known for their violence. The idea of the *noble savage* is overblown in this case. They may not *sob their eyes out and head for divorce court.* They don't have divorce courts. They have violence and death instead.

    Yes, they run around naked, but one could hardly say they have few problems regarding sexuality. There women and children are often victims of violence and exploitation from their own tribe. A large proportion of the men are killed by violence, with a significant number of those murders due to conflicts over mating.

    Regarding the comment of *(sobbing) their eyes out and (heading) for divorce court* in first-world countries, apparently you haven't known many women who have dealt with husbands with pornography problems. Please be more sensitive to them.

  • A Scientist Provo, UT
    July 9, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    The problem many of the "prudes" seem to overlook is that the human mind was designed to focus on, be aroused by, and seek out the form or image of the opposite (and sometimes the same) gender. Sure, the pleasure centers of the brain experience the release of endorphins that are similar to the effects of meth or other artificial drugs. But that is true when one is experiencing those endorphins with one's legally, lawfully, temple married spouse, just as it is when viewing glamour or boudoir images of one's spouse, or even erotic images of a stranger. In this sense, the physiology does not distinguish, and in this sense, the arousal process is "natural".

    By demonizing "porn" in the broad, general, ill defined sense, as these fear mongering articles continue to do, people become hypersensitive and distort perceptions of a fundamentally "natural" process: individuals are made to feel guilty, and spouses are made to feel "emotionally betrayed", which facilitates depression, relationship problems, etc, which contributes to "escapism" into porn and search for fulfilment outside marriage.

    Many experts agree society can break this vicious cycle by moderating the guilt and social stigma - I.e., "normalizing" porn.

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 9, 2013 12:41 p.m.

    @3circles --

    I looked at the first one.

    1. They specifically stated at the beginning that they WANTED TO FIND this connection. They admitted up front that they were fitting their review to their predetermined goals.

    -- "The following then, has three tasks: first, to demonstrate a connection between pornography and violence against women second, to provide evidence that the connection..."

    2. They specifically defined "porn" as including violence and/or explicit degradation -- not just explicit sex.

    3. The studies they cite support **correlation**, but not causation.

    4. Their carefully selected US countrywide statistic inexplicably references only one long-ago 8 year period (76-84), even though the **30** year, current data I quoted contradicts the study's finding.

    5. the authors admit that "Faludi states that crime statisticians in the USA, examining the data, 'have widely rejected this argument' (the argument of causation rather than mere correlation) (Faludi 1991, p. 504)."

    You might end up convincing me to change my mind with better studies, but this one won't do it.

    A related question to ask yourself: we already know that Utah has a very high rate of online porn consumption. Does Utah also have a high rate of rapes?

  • Austin Coug Pflugerville, TX
    July 9, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    Mr Bean,

    I am sure there are many relationships that soured because of a lack of intimacy in the marriage that had nothing to do with porn use. However, the situations I mention do not fall into that category. Porn use started as young boys for both and was hidden from their spouses well into their marriages. They brought porn into the marriage and that is what killed it. Their porn addiction directly correlated with both "pretending" to go to school for years to keep up with their addictions. Is that how you treat the people you love? Is that how you maintain trust? Sorry. That you are misguided on this one.

  • RedWings CLEARFIELD, UT
    July 10, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    @ A Scientist: "Many experts agree society can break this vicious cycle by moderating the guilt and social stigma - I.e., "normalizing" porn."

    Porn abuse changes the chemistry of the brain in the same way that drugs and alcohol do. This is scientifically proven. Porn generates more revenue than all major new networks and sports teams COMBINED! Are you suprised that there are "experts" advocating its normalization?

    As a recovering addict, I am disgusted by any attempt to treat porn as "entertainment". What if someone suggested that heroin or crack were "entertainment", and should be normalized?

    Porn destroys love and intimacy between individuals, and there is nothing positive about it. Ask any wife of a porn addict about normalizing porn....

    We need an Attorney General with a backbone and desire to fulfll his oath of office, so that the laws that are out there will be enforced.....

  • Contrarius mid-state, TN
    July 10, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @Redwings --

    "Porn abuse changes the chemistry of the brain in the same way that drugs and alcohol do. "

    So does "normal" sex.

    So does jogging.

    So does chocolate.

    One can not condemn an activity just because it activates the pleasure centers of the brain. Those neurochemical changes may indicate that the activity is at risk of being misused -- but those changes do NOT mean that the activity is bad in and of itself.

    Now, please note -- I am NOT defending porn in general. As I've stated before, I believe there are some very troubling things about its increasing prevalence in society. Nonetheless, I'm still a huge proponent of arguing from FACTS. And the fact is that many things which are potentially addictive are not necessarily bad in and of themselves.

  • Mike C Durango, CO
    July 10, 2013 6:04 p.m.

    I did not grow up with the influence of porn, luckily. I know it would have interfered with the striving to improve myself, to be stronger and smarter, to achieve and become a strong element in society. The fact is that my primary motivations for these efforts were to 'get the girl', fall in love, be an honorable provider to build a happy family. That brings a strong sense of accomplishment.
    The effects that abuse of porn seem to produce would at least hinder, likely destroy that process from the start. There's endless 'shopping' and a false sense of acceptance, being chosen and admired.
    Porn is an illusion of intimacy. Instantly allows you to get the girl without doing a single iota of personal development. One may find it far easier to live in that imaginary world than the real. This fantasy world's readily accessible and near impossible to avoid experiencing for kids. Seems to me this is what this whole series of articles is about; how porn affects our society, children and future. This series is not a personal affront to anyone's behaviors, unless your behaviors are harming others in your life. Stay real.

  • Fiannan Eugene, Oregon
    July 12, 2013 12:39 a.m.

    Okay this is an interesting story. The woman appears to be living with a man she is not married to. Am I to assume that relationship is implied to be okay while his looking at porn isn't? Now that's an interesting subtle message for an LDS oriented publication to present.

  • Mike C Durango, CO
    July 12, 2013 4:40 p.m.

    @Fiannan: If a homeless person were to run into a fire station and say there's a house on fire, and the firemen shrug it off saying "what would a homeless person know about a house?" And so the flames grow and engulf the town.
    Why ridicule this woman, who does nothing but help other partners through their grief? Nowhere is there judgment on porn viewers, saying they are evil. Just the fact that many partners/spouses are deeply damaged by it being in their relationship.
    Do you attack the messenger? Do you throw mud onto others in order to make yourself appear cleaner?
    Can you simply address the fact that the spouse of a porn-addled relationship is stricken with a terrifying predicament? Our spouse is supposed to be the safest person in our lives but when that person has betrayed you deeply, and repeatedly, in the softest part of your heart and soul, a paradox develops between needing to protect yourself from the one who has harmed you, and reaching for the safety, love and support of your spouse. This is traumatizing and crazy-making.
    I congratulate Deseret News for shining the light onto this horrific pandemic. Bravo!

  • Democrat Provo, UT
    July 12, 2013 10:51 p.m.

    Cedarite: Good questions. Not all nudity is porn and not all porn includes nudity. I believe porn goes for the physical or emotional "juggler vein" and takes the easiest road there. Porn shocks and titillates, but it does not uplift. Magazines geared to teens that show bloody car-wreck scenes and display people with deformities in a circus-like way are porn. But Botticelli and Michelangelo are not porn and neither is the nudity in movies like Zero Dark thirty. Unfortunately, some people have opted for an easier definition of porn that relies less on reason or the Spirit, and a simple nudity standard which is off-base and unhealthy.

    That said, if something not intended by the artist inappropriately arouses an individual, that person should stop viewing it. A great standard is the 13th Article of Faith: "If there is anything virtuous, lovely, or of good report or praiseworthy, we seek after these things" and if it is the opposite, we should avoid it.

  • Brother Benjamin Franklin Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:03 a.m.

    I do not agree with this woman throwing out her husband without a moment's notice. While she had the right to do that, I think she is regretting that decision now.

    Unless every effort has been made for an extended period of time to rectify a situation and the situation continues to worsen, there is no justification or excuse to destroy a marriage relationship like that.

    She has a right to feel betrayed and hurt, this was not her fault, and her now ex-husband is the one with the addiction. But I think reacting the way she did was a cop-out to cover up for something she lacked.

    Spouses of those who are addicts need to stop throwing someone out of the house just because they have a problem. If someone has an addiction, it does not mean that there is no hope of recovery for the addict and the marriage relationship.

  • Brother Benjamin Franklin Orem, UT
    July 18, 2013 5:10 a.m.

    This woman has gone on to become a great advocate and this article will do much good. Men and women need mentors and sponsors to help them through the challenge of dealing with relapse and recovery. She has used her experience to become a defender of women who have been victims to their spouse's pornography addictions.

    But it must be pointed out, even if controversially and offensively to some, that this does not necessarily justify terminating a marriage upon discovery of an undisclosed addiction. Every addict has their own story and reasons behind and for what they have done and why they have done it.

    The best thing a pornography or any type of addict needs is an understanding, loving spouse who stands behinds and loves them for who they can become, not who they are now.

    This woman took the easy way out by throwing her husband out and blamed the decision on his addiction. This was not just about an addiction of a husband--it was about a wife's overreaction and lack of willingness to love and forgive a spouse who needed her.

  • 483bzac West Valley City, UT
    Sept. 26, 2013 7:53 p.m.

    Absent in this article are the usual omitted facts: 1)Women are the fastest growing porn consumers, no women's problem was listed. 2)It has become a wonderful excuse for women wanting a divorce (get me a new man and the old man can pay for it). All they have to do in court is say their spouse has viewed porn-so have they. 3)Proper help for either addicted party can repair relationships, (whatever happened to: in sickness and in health, until death?) These articles become excuses for women not to do anything to work for their relationships. In High School girls go from one "flame" to another without a second thought. They connive socially, gossip, they can figure out the social world long before the guy. Do they lose all their talents when they get married? No, some are seriously hurt by the porn poison, some just want another guy. Porn is bad but please tell the whole story.

  • Commodore West Jordan, UT
    Sept. 30, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    That was a very insightful article. I wish we would hear something this deep over the pulpit at general conference when they discuss the evils of pornography.