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Chris Hill on Greg Winslow situation: ‘We could have done better. I could have done better’

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  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 11:48 a.m.

    Sad state of affairs on the hill. Football is in the tank, basketball is a mess. Can it get any worse?

  • ji bae Saint George, UT
    July 2, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    A team of investigators appointed BY the University of Utah essentially found nothing wrong and claim that all the victims testimonies were wrong.

  • Hochmut West Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    Down Under, couldn't agree any more. When the leadership is so focused on money and prestige (going to the PAC12), their focus on the student athletes dropped off the radar and the leadership has let the coaching staffs of a number of programs run wild. Any more of these issues and it would be time for Dr. Hill to look for new employment rather than having someone else fall on his sword.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 2, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    Ji Bab - I disagree with your post. The investigation did find that the athletic directors were wrong.

    "the investigators found that the associate athletics director over the swim program, Pete Oliszczak, and athletics director Chris Hill failed to follow up on multiple issues inside Winslow's program"

    What they didn't find was that the swim coach physically abused students or had improper sexual relations. Dr. Hill should have acted sooner but ultimately they did the right thing in not renewing the contract for this year. Yes this is a black eye for the U program but far from the major catastrophe many posters claim.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    July 2, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    No surprise here except one thing, the U forgot about the parents who are furious. Gotta applaud the U's effort to sweep this under the carpet though and the press to do practically ZERO investigative reporting.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Interesting tweets by Scott Garrard citing the executive report on the U. Swimming investigations: "Executive report on U swimming investigation: 'With a limited number of possible exceptions, Winslow does not appear to have physically abused student athletes. Whether coach's training methods are psychologically abusive is inherently subjective."

    "With a limited number of possible exceptions..."? What? Isn't that what they were supposed to be investigating? So basically, this report told us nothing at all that we didn't already know. He's been accused of physically abusing students and, according to the report, he didn't EXCEPT for a a limited number of possible exceptions.

    Great job, fellas...I'm sure things will sort themselves out, but the findings of this "investigation" are ridiculous.

    Sounds like Chris Hill acted promptly to the accusations, though, which is a good thing. He's a good AD and a good guy.

    All the best to him, and I really DO hope things get resolved, but those initial findings from this "investigation" are absurd.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    To the dismay of the byu "fans", Dr. Hill will not lose his job.
    With his leader, the gap between Utah and byu will continue to grow, as the Utes move "onward and upward"

    Go Utes.

  • tkdogg FARMINGTON, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    Unfortanely this has been going on for years. As a former member of the swim team and a U of U graduate the AD has refused to correct problems for over a decade. He will get a slap on the wrist and continue to be hailed as the initiator of the Pac 12 and Utah connection. I feel bad for the U of U student athletes and am glad to no longer be associated with University of Utah athletics.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 2, 2013 1:44 p.m.

    It's a sorry state of affairs for the team down south when an article about allegations to a Utah swim coach garners more attention of byU "fans" than the actual byU stories.

    Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    Chris Hill is neglecting the student athletes. Let's see:
    New state of the art track facility
    New women's baseball stadium
    New football training complex
    New outdoor tennis courts with stadium seating
    Plans for new basketball training center for men and women underway
    Plans to update the Huntsman center underway
    Plans to expand RES underway

    Oh, and let's not forget, a lot more student athletes are on scholarship because of Hill's leadership in leading Utah to the PAC 12 with its increased revenue.

    To accuse Dr. Hill of neglecting student athletes is just absurd.

  • AlottaBalatas Centerville, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    I can't believe anyone would tolerate poor behavior from a swim coach. The reputation of the administration and the entire program suffers. Winslow should have been fired immediately upon his due process.

    Sadly, this is nothing compared to the emotional, psychological and sometimes physical abuse that occurs in coaching daily. We've all seen it and many of us felt it in our own participation . . . and I'm talking about youth and high school sports! In fact, parents are often the worst offenders. Are we really surprised it continues at the collegiate level?

    Criticize Hill and the U all we want, but each of us can cite a dozen incidents at every level to match this one.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 1:56 p.m.

    Dutchman,
    These improvements are for more money not for the well being of the athlete. Now I see why things are mess on the hill when the fans as well as the administration only care about money and buildings.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    tkdogg

    "...As a former member of the swim team and a U of U graduate... I feel bad for the U of U student athletes and am glad to no longer be associated with University of Utah athletics."
    ____________

    Tell us your name and then we'll believe you were a member of the team. Making a comment like yours while hiding behind a computer screen is too easy. Not saying you're lying, but I can't say I believe you either.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    Blue Smurf,
    Hit a nerve did I? Please don't try to compare a classy BYU program with the like of the U. I have studied and worked at both and there IS NO comparison. BYU will always be more relevant that Utah unless you live in SLC. The rest of the PAC11+U hardly knows you are around. Trust me, I have hung out in PAC country for many years.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 2, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    re:ekute I think you may have confused "onward and upward" with "cover-up". And since this is a huge cover up (i.e. alumni and boosters appointed as "special investigators") the problem is not going away and more things will surface. This is not new, remember the Majerus years, the U sacrificed a lot to cover up his actions, finally he got the U on probation and they haven't been the same since.

    And you are right the two Universities are separating, one is on ESPN all the time, playing in huge stadiums all over the country, ranked higher than the U in everything (OK except gymnastics, winning national championships, and the other...well it's not.

  • AlottaBallatas Centerville, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    @ Down Under

    "These improvements are for more money not for the well being of the athlete."

    Is that what you think collegiate sports is about; the athletes? Those days ended in the 40's. It used to be a scholarship was a four year commitment and now they're semester-to-semester. Scholarships (educations) may end at a moments notice. So yeah, judge the Hill(s) because this is unique to Utah. Whatever helps you sleep . . .

  • AlottaBallatas Centerville, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:35 p.m.

    @3grandslams

    " . . . cover-up . . .alumni and boosters appointed as 'special investigators'"

    You're right, two of three are U of U alums and all three hold high ranking positions as government/NCAA investigators. I have to give you credit for bravery though, accusing three attorneys and a state university of collusion in writing; pretty impressive!

  • Perkunas Ashburn, VA
    July 2, 2013 2:40 p.m.

    "It's a sorry state of affairs for the team down south when an article about allegations to a Utah swim coach garners more attention of byU "fans" than the actual byU stories."

    Surely you've seen the scores of Ute comments on virtually any BYU story, most of which have precisely nothing to do with the U of U. After all, you've contributed a fair share.

    "To accuse Dr. Hill of neglecting student athletes is just absurd."

    Listing all the upgrades Dr. Hill is paying for as a means of excusing his handling of this issue just about sums up the state of Ute athletics and far too many Ute fans. It is emphatically NOT all about the money.

  • tkdogg FARMINGTON, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    motorbike,

    It would be absurd to state my actual name. Suffice it to say, I was a member of the swimming and diving team (Did you know these two sports coe-exist)from the last 90's to early 2000's. My wife was also a member of the team. Historically you can look and there have been reported problems in the past with very little done. I was at the U when it was part of the WAC and then the initation of the MWC. In those years the platform events were also initiated. Look at how many Freshman left after Mike Litzinger (Ohio State product) and Carrie Ziebarth (Diving Coach) took over in the 2001 season and this should explain some things. Any other questions?

  • Dutchman Murray, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    Ask the student athletes if they want these upgrades. I have and they absolutely do want them. They know it is about them and not the buildings. AD Holmoe admitted not long ago that he too wants a new basketball training facility for men and women but for BYU that is years down the road. I guess Holmoe is just thinking about the building. Such is life now as an indy with a small bank account. Utah is also expanding the Burbidge Center where student athletes go to study and graduate with degrees. With APR scores at Utah at their highest levels ever and the ones at BYU at some of the lowest I guess the gap between who takes better care of student athletes will just get wider and wider.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:37 p.m.

    Cougar fans upset with the investigation?
    Imagine my shock.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    July 2, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    Dear Down Under, et. al:

    What is lost in all of this is dreams have been shattered, families impacted, and communities in turmoil. This should not be a springboard to highlight football or any other irrelevant activity. I think it takes class to admit when you are wrong. I think it takes courage to change behavior. I think it is pride when you can't look at yourself and recognize the change that needs to come from within. Shame on you Down Under for taking this article and turning it into a soapbox to spew contentious statements. Is that the classy behavioir you've learned (along with Max Hall) while attending your supreme institution?

    Go UTES!!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:57 p.m.

    Football is totally in the tank. They never beat good teams.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:03 p.m.

    @3grandslams

    "And you are right the two Universities are separating. One is on ESPN all the time..."

    I guess that's fine, if you don't mind games at strange times on places like ESPN U, sandwichedr in between events like the WNBA and the World Series of Poker.

    "playing in huge stadiums all over the country..."

    Yeah, like Idaho U's 16,000, Idaho State's 12,000, San Jose State's 30,000, etc. This should not be confused with the teams that Utah now regularly plays, such as Arizona State's 71,000, UCLA's 92,000, and USC's 93,000.

    "winning national championships..."

    Yes, that rugby championship was truly impressive.

  • Gunner South Jordan, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:08 p.m.

    PapaSmurf: The U used to be able to build in a guaranteed win with Utah State also. Guess those days are over huh?

  • TRUTH Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    Hill has always been the problem and the reason the Utes are a disaster Athletically. They are starting to resemble the 70's where just getting a BYU win was all that mattered! As long as Hill is at the helm, the Utes had better get use to the term "pac12 celler-dwellers"

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:43 p.m.

    I get such a kick out of seeing you trolls go back and forth on these articles. The BYU Trolls do it on the Ute articles and the Ute Trolls do it on the BYU articles. Since when did the Church you BYU fans profess to so love ever teach you to hate or ridicule another program? And you Ute fans with such intellect and higher intelligence fighting for equality in all you do standing there and oppressing your brother. Shame on all of you!

    The fact of the matter is the Utes have not preformed in the PAC 12 like we all expected. They need to do better and I believe they will. And what about you BYU? You know if the Utes were playing your schedule you would be the first to accuse Utah of scheduling Cream Puffs to get to that Bowl Game.

    I'm a Ute fan but I cheer for both BYU and Utah State when they are not playing the U. I want ALL my in state teams to do well.

    Love people, not hate, LOVE.....

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 2, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    @Perkunas: "Surely you've seen the scores of Ute comments on virtually any BYU story"

    Uh, no I haven't. I don't troll byU stories, nor do I care about the vast majority of them or who posts on them.

    Nice to show your Utah support on this story, though! I love it when byU "fans" stop by and show their love for all things Ute!!

    Go Utes. Onward and Upward!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 2, 2013 4:55 p.m.

    Wow - Wookie nailed it!

  • Kiboo South Jordan, Utah
    July 2, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Dr. Hill was so self-absorbed with the PAC12 and the money and power it brought him that he neglected to look after his most important obligation - the student-athlete.

    Will anything come of it - no. Hill is too powerful.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 5:20 p.m.

    Ballatas,
    I sleep just fine thank you. I root for a class act in BYU that puts athletes first and money second or third.

    I understand that this sounds old fashioned to you and your cronies but that is just fine with me and I WILL continue to sleep well.

  • rhappahannock Washington, DC
    July 2, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    One of the things about Dr. Hill's tenure is the huge subsidies the UU athletic department receives every year from state taxpayers. Millions of dollars every year, despite big Pac 10 paychecks.

    Why should fans of Utah St., BYU, Weber St., UVU, and all other universities in the state subsidize BCS teams that are actively trying to hold them down, and shut them out of equitable bowl games? Instead of subsidizing UU athletics, part of that BCS money should go to the state's general education fund. No sense subsidizing gold toilet seats for BCS teams!

  • Res Novae Ashburn, VA
    July 2, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    VegasUte -

    "I don't troll byU stories, nor do I care about the vast majority of them or who posts on them."

    Then let me educate you. You said, "It's a sorry state of affairs for the team down south when an article about allegations to a Utah swim coach garners more attention of byU "fans" than the actual byU stories."

    There are BYU stories that currently have 131, 79, 59, 50, and 43 comments on them. Far more attention that this story has received, even when you factor out the many, many Ute trolls. And those are just the active stories, the trend is consistent if you go through the archives. BYU-centered articles drive traffic on the DN, both from fans and trolls.

    Your second statement above is patently false on its face.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 2, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Wookie,

    You can end the Sunday sermon now. If you think this is what you described earlier then please reread.
    Hill needs to go and the U needs to clean up its act. The U will not become the great institution is was meant to be with this type of ignorance by top officials or tollerance of bad coaches. The comment by Hill "I could have done better" does not cut it when it come to people lives. End of discussion!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 2, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    rhappahannock: bitter much?

    Thanks for coming by and giving us Utes your love, though. Much appreciated.

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward!!

  • BlameItOnTheOfficials Cottonwood Heights, UT
    July 2, 2013 6:12 p.m.

    Another embarrassing moment for my Utes. But I love 'em and will stick by them through thick and thin.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 2, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    Res Novae: There are quotation marks around the word fan in my post, which implies that they are more Utah haters than byU "fans". There are those who post on byU stories too who are Utah "fans" (Chris B). In addition, it was posted to mock a previous post by a byU "fan".

    Once again, thanks for coming by and giving us your love! Glad to see you are reading Utah stories, we appreciate your support! Oh, and also - thank you for increasing the post count on this story by one.

    Go Utes! Onward and Upward.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    July 2, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    ekute

    "To the dismay of the BYU "fans", Dr. Hill will not lose his job"

    Typical response from a BYU hater, more concerned with the reaction from BYU fans, than with how athletes at the U were being physically, psychologically and emotionally abused.

    Chris Hill is simply lucky that, unlike at Rutgers, none of the abuse was videotaped, otherwise, the Utes would be looking for a new AD.

  • Utah Fan2 Anaheim, CA
    July 2, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    Everything about this story smacks of a cover up and whitewash. From claiming that the AD wasn't informed of Winslow's alleged sexual abuse of an athlete in Arizona to hiring a team of investigators with close ties to the U to conduct an "independent" investigation.

    I like Dr. Hill, but there's absolutely no excuse for Winslow not being fired on several occassions and the ultimate responsibility for Winslow not being fired sooner rests with Chris Hill.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    July 2, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    Everyone who understands the cultural and mentality on the hill - that Kyle Whittingham and Chris Hill walk on water and couldn't possibly do anything wrong - knew before the independent investigation even began that, at most, Chris Hill would get off with a light scolding and slap on the wrist regardless of what the investigators reported.

    So it's no surprise that Hill won't even be getting that slap on the wrist.

    After over a hundred years of supervising college athletics, the Utes will finally establish polices to protect student athletes from being abused by their coaches - how refreshing!

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    July 2, 2013 8:28 p.m.

    Unfortunately for Utah, Winslow is just the latest in a long history of coaching abuse that's been happening at the U for at least the last 20 years. First Majerus. Now Winslow. And, who knows how many others.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 3, 2013 6:47 a.m.

    re: allotasballtas

    Not being brave, just stating the obvioius. Please don't throw around titles and positions as qualifications for integrity, especially using a refernce to government and the NCAA. I can't think of two more entities that suffer the stain of hypocrisy and cover-up more than they do.

  • oldcougar Orem, UT
    July 3, 2013 9:30 a.m.

    Too many of you are blind to reality. When you get a bunch of ambitious, type A personalities together, whose jobs depend on the performance of their "student athletes," bad stuff will happen. If you think nothing like this has ever happened at your school (yes, even BYU), then I believe you are naïve. I've been around awhile. I've been close enough to the field to hear the kinds of language that spewed from the mouths of some BYU football coaches. I have close friends who played b-ball for Frank Arnold at the Y...and were instrumental in his ouster, because of his unfair and abusive behavior (not physical, but mental/emotional). This stuff happens. Nevertheless, it must not be tolerated. If this helps Dr. Hill reevaluate his oversight and prevent more of this behavior in the future, it's a good thing. He has brought much success to the U and I believe he deserves another chance...but only once. Cougar trolls, you would be wise to be less harsh. Something like this could easily happen on our turf too.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    July 3, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    Down Under:

    Tell me how my calling you out is a Sunday sermon? Are my remarks not true? Tell me, where is your class? Merriam Webster defines classy as having or reflecting high standards of personal behavior. I am confused, is this what you have exemplified? Does your academic institution espouse the behavior displayed? Does your faith teach you love, tolerance, and forgiveness? I have been taught certain principles and precepts and I try daily to incorporate them into my daily actions. What say you?

    GO UTES!!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    July 3, 2013 10:14 a.m.

    @oldcougar

    You and a few others on these boards represent that cougar "class" that the other cougar "fans" are always bragging about. Cheers.

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    July 3, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    Some of you ute fans defending the U, need to read the post of your fellow fans and recognize that this is bad any way you slice it. You can disparage Y fans but it won't change the fact that unless Dr. Hill is properly investigated, and those around him, and held to the very standard the U proscribes for employment, this will go down as a embarrassing cover-up and Dr. Hills integrity will be questioned for the rest of his career.

  • Creeper51 Bountiful, UT
    July 3, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Hindsight is 20/20, when you have all the evidence laid before you it's pretty easy to make a decision. The evidence that we see today took years to gather.

  • There You Go Again Saint George, UT
    July 3, 2013 12:14 p.m.

    "...Now I am not one that thinks this should have cost chris hill his job...".

    I am.

    In the 80's, Chris Hill was part of a White Paper Investigation, of the Utah State Developmental Center.

    Chris Hill wanted someone to lose their job as a result of reports of alleged abuse.

    Fast forward 30 years and we have Chris Hill telling taxpayers...

    We'll do better next time?

    That's it?

    That's all?

    Don't do as I did, do as I do now?

    What kind of leadership is that?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 3, 2013 12:42 p.m.

    Wookie - they are just jealous because you were spot on!

    Go Utes!!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    July 3, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    @ Old Cougar

    Nicely done. What comes around, goes around. This could happen any where, and I mean any where. I remember when Josh Heyfelt had the little mushroom possesion incident at Gozaga. Let's not forget what went down at Penn St. It happens.....unfortunately.

  • Amazed Bountiful, UT
    July 3, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    I have to agree, I really do. As a life long Ute supporter, I was unaware that the campus had a swimming pool (We always swam at South High School). I was unaware that I could generate enough income for the school for the U to provide me with a grant-in-aid to cover my costs of attending. I agree that if my son told me that a "drunk" was coaching him and verbally abusing him, that it would be 100% up to Chris Hill to look that coach in the eye and suggest that he resign. NOT. What was it about this loser that made him so intimidating? Again, I agree, if having a drunk or aggressive teacher as part of your University experience is concerning, then there are other departments at the U and departments further South that better be careful. I expect my son and daughter to deal with adversity as part of their education, because, heaven forbid that they ever have to earn a living working for an abusive drunk as a boss. It happens friends.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    July 3, 2013 3:13 p.m.

    Thank you Vegas Ute... Happy 4th of July!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 3, 2013 4:48 p.m.

    54-IQ

    A lot of denial on the hill even with the facts that are known.

    Chris Hill denies even knowing the details of Winslow's and has openly admitted that he did absolutely NOTHING to follow up on the report.

    As Duckhunter said, it's shameful that the university allowed a drunk coach to repeatedly abuse his swimmers for years without lifting a finger to stop it; it's shameful that the U hired a couple of Ute homers to independently "investigate" Chris Hill's botched handling of the whole situation; and it's shameful that even after the investigators openly acknowledged that Winslow should have been fired at least a year ago, that the university hasn't announced a single sanction against Chris Hill, the AD who was ultimately responsible for allowing the abuse of Utah athletes to continue for years.

    If you have evidence to prove that the U did more to stop the abuse than is being reported, now's your chance to present it. Otherwise, your weak "not knowing all of the facts" argument is nothing but a smoke screen to avoid having to accept the shameful truth.

  • wYo8 Rock Springs, WY
    July 3, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    it is amazing that Chris hill gets away with not even a slap on the wrist. Did the investigators read the original article or did they put their head in the sand just as the local media did when the story first broke.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    July 3, 2013 5:48 p.m.

    Thanks Wookie - you too!

    Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

  • Why would I? Farmington, UT
    July 3, 2013 6:40 p.m.

    Why would I be surprised if Utah actually did something about the problem, when it should have been done? They were too busy gushing about being in the PAC 12. Dr. Hill has it pretty good in that he can always push those below him under the bus and the partisans will respond with "Go Utes!" Some folks wouldn't recognize a problem it if reared its head right in front of their AD.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 3, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    8-5 overall, 4-5 PAC, 8th in 2011
    5-7 overall, 3-6 PAC, 10th in 2012
    3-9 overall, 1-8 PAC, 11th in 2013 (projected)

    Onward and Upward must mean something quite different to the kids on the hill, than it does to the rest of the college football world.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 4, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    @54

    But supposedly we do "know all the facts". Didn't utah just release the findings of this completely above board, thorough, and "independent" investigation?

    So based on that don't I "know all the facts"?

    It would appear you just shamefully may a "frantic and emotional" post because that is what you just automatically do when I have an opinion on a matter.

    So if I "don't have all the facts" and utah supposedly just released "all the facts" then who is really at fault here? It would seem that you don't believe the findings either I suppose yet you posted what you posted. Shameful.

  • rafinsure Elk Grove, CA
    July 7, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    Yes, you could've done better Dr. Hill. You failed in your number one duty, which is to look after the emotional and physical well-being of your athletes. At the very least, heads rolled at Penn State. You don't even get a slap on the wrist. Pathetic!