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  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 1, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    "Oh, quick, where's my star chart?"

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    Y dad,
    It does not matter how many stars they have, if any. The Utah trolls will be out in force real soon.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    I don't know...
    Ask Dennis Pitta, Eric Weddle, Paul Kruger or Steve Young.
    They were all 2-stars or less.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    Looks like a solid kid with a good nose for the football, and he is an out of state recruit.
    WIN WIN.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:19 p.m.

    I agree with Y Grad/Dad. This is usually about this time certain trolls start commenting about how many stars certain publications arbitrarily assign to high school players... in response to the U not getting those players.

    But remember one thing. The more you downgrade the star numbers of BYU commitments, the worse it will make you look and feel when you get beat this year on September 21st. It's too much of a stretch for U fans to count on another series of untimely turnovers to allow them another win this year. It's just not going to happen. Usually, the better team wins. And that's exactly what will happen this year. The "stars" are all aligned to allow justice to prevail this year. Wait, watch and see.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    Y Grad / Y Dad
    Richland, WA

    Who are you quoting? It's your Duckhunting friend who piles on recruits with no knowledge of them.

  • Hugh Janis South Jordan, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    I give both of these fellas at least 3 gold stars.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    Just curious,

    There are approximately 50 BCS schools.

    Was there even ONE of those 50 schools interested in these guys?

    If not, byu is the right place for them

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 1, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    @Bluto

    Two star or less players?

    I don' see any stars for these two...

    Bronco must have adopted the policy that if 2 stars are better than 4 stars... then zero stars must be better than 2 stars.

  • mindgames Aurora, CO
    July 1, 2013 2:56 p.m.

    So many of these recruits are either serving missions or are planning to serve. That speaks highly of the caliber of these athletes who could be marching forward in their college football careers yet have chosen to serve two years of their lives to serve others.

    Good character is only one of the factors of being an elite student athlete and one that is easily overlooked in recruiting. However, at BYU it is not only one of the factors, but is a major factor. It also is a reason that some very good athletes are not offered scholarships to wear the Y on the helmet.

    Being peculiar has benefits and drawbacks but it is what BYU stands for. Glad to have Will Sedgwick and Earl Mariner on board.

  • Coach Biff Lehi, UT
    July 1, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    Again, Howie, and Chrissy, we refer you to Paul Kruger, Eric Weddle, and Dennis Pitta.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    I can't even FIND these guys in Rivals.

    Did Rivals make a mistake?

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    July 1, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    I agree with commentators on the you tube video. He doesn't play like a sophomore. He looks like a perfect fit for the Y.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 1, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    Rivals rated Sedgwick as a...um...uh....uh-oh. Rivals never even HEARD of this guy.

    Oh well. Moving right along.

    Rivals rated Mariner as a...uh...WHOOPS! Rivals never even heard of THIS kid either. They haven't even acquired ZERO stars yet.

    Oh well. I'm sure these two kids will shoot right up the recruiting charts...all the way up to "2-stars". That's where mendenmediocrity likes to do the bulk of his scouting.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 1, 2013 3:47 p.m.

    @ Howard S:

    Actually, Bronco adopted the policy that it's very gratifying to take low-star players and consistently finish each season with a better record and ranked higher than U with it's supposedly higher-star players.

    That means one of two things. Either the star ranking system for high school players is somewhat flawed and thus very subjective, or the Y coaches are getting a heck of lot more out of their players than the U is out of theirs.

    Either way, it's an argument you wouldn't be advised to keep pursuing.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 1, 2013 3:50 p.m.

    @54-10

    Fail. I almost never comment about the quality of a recruit as I don't falsely claim to know anything about any of them. I do point out the hypocrisy of, and mock, utah "fans" like yourself, or azute, who thinks watching highlight films on Youtube makes him a talent evaluator. I pseronally make no claim to know the 1st thing about the talent of any of the kids utah or BYU signs other than the very, very few of them that i personally have watched play multiple time.

    If you are going to try to pass off one of your posts as truthful, especially when it is a complete fabrication, then you need to work a little bit harder.

    LOL!

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    July 1, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    To Naval Vet:

    The same advice applies to you. If you label Bronco's recruiting as mediocrity, and yet he takes those level of recruits and has been consistently finishing football seasons ranked higher in national bowls and with overall better records than the Utes, then what exactly does that say about the U program? It says something lower and worse than "mediocrity".

    Bronco must be a pretty great coach to start with what you label as "mediocrity" and finish it by not just going to bowl games, but also winning them. And how does the U compare?? Well, first of all, you have to be able to go to bowl games before being concerned with winning them... And going to any bowl game at all is something that no longer seems to be a tradition at Uteville... no matter how many stars you claim for your recruits.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    July 1, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    You know I am 1st BYU but also like to see the Utes do well. Do not see the reason to trash each other. Shows little intelligence on either side.

    I was in a hospital waiting for a child and they had a Football preview for this coming season. Here is what I read.

    1) BYU was 17 points from a 12-1 Season last year.
    2) If you go by the stars BYU had more upper stars but less total stars. Per this magazine neither did a bang up job as far as recruiting the "best" players. Utah was a tad higher per this magazine.
    3) Utah is predicted to be 11th in the PAC-12. Only Colorado would do worse. Basically they said it will be a long and not so good year. High point was Dennis Erickson may get something going on offense as last year was not good.
    4) BYU they say the jury is out. Not sure which way it will go. Tough schedule.

    USU they were very complimentary about. 2nd in MTW only to BSU.

    Bottom line. BYU could be good. USU should be good and Utah should not.

    Hope all do well.

  • ISLANDA Stansbury Park, ut
    July 1, 2013 4:13 p.m.

    @Chris B

    ya AND.....

  • WildCougar Holladay, UT
    July 1, 2013 4:24 p.m.

    Who cares about stars. These guys look like they are going to give their full effort and are great people, that is all I look for. That is all the cougar coaches look for. Stars don't mean anything. ute fans use it as a wiener measuring stick. By the way ute fans weren't you suppose to get better recruiting now that you are in the pac. You only have 6 recruits, what does that say for your program? And most of them are "lower starred athletes" utes have no argument because that program is going down like a sinking pirate ship.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 1, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    These recruiting stories do my heart good... It's guys like this that cause Vegas Odds Makers to accurately pick winners and losers... Now speaking of losers, I am pleased to see that the Utes are predicted to only win 3 games this season (Weber State, Colorado and WSU)... It's recruits like these that give these same odds makers confidence in saying that BYU will soundly beat Utah on their way to an 8-4 or 9-3 year... (I personally think it will be a 10 win year.)

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 1, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    Responding to the theme of some here that Bronco takes 2 star recruits and produces success with them...

    Consider the truth that Bronco does well with his 2 star recruits as long as he plays MWC/WAC level competition...

    Also consider the truth that when Bronco plays BCS and/or ranked competition he has a losing record.

    The truth is that Bronco's success with his 2 star athletes is built on 2nd tier competition... when he plays the big boys he produces mediocre results at best.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    July 1, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    @WildCougar

    Full effort? Great people?

    I'm a great person and I give full effort... so do I qualify for a Bronco scholarship?

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 1, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    Gotta love how uties want to argue on "stars" whether or not a player will be good. then they want to argue that because of the "stars" the team is no good. then they want to argue that because of "stars" a team is part of a conference.

    I guess since "stars" are so important, we shouldn't play the games.

    What's even funnier is uties claiming that BYU will never beat them again, that they will never beat any ranked team again, and that they will never be in a conference.

    Why is that funny?

    Because until 2004, utah had done nothing noteworthy in football. ever.

    Then they went on a spree of good luck, good football, and good players.

    The part that is funny is that now they think that it can't happen to BYU.

    That since it happened to them it can't happen to anyone else.

    Do you not understand college football at all?

    Anyone, at any time can beat someone else. u of all people should know this.

    Yet you're arrogant enough to tell BYU fans it won't happen to them.

    Strange little world you live in.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 1, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Howard S

    I'll consider it if you consider the same logic for utah.

    Kyle gets more stars and can't do anything with them in your conference.

    When you make an argument make sure it doesn't make you own team look bad too.

    If it is good for the goose it is good for the gander.

    Weak.

  • Perkunas Ashburn, VA
    July 1, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    For too many folks in these comment sections, being a Ute fan boils down to the constant, gnawing fear that somewhere out there someone might be saying nice things about BYU.

  • Kralon HUNTINGTON BEACH, CA
    July 1, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    I have seen Will play, when our local High School played Laguna it was like watching Kyle Van Noy on the other team! I am excited to see if he can play at that level for BYU.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 1, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Will Sedgwick and Earl Mariner both appear to be great young men and will be fine additions to the BYU football program!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    July 1, 2013 5:55 p.m.

    Howard S.

    "I'm a great person and I give full effort... so do I qualify for a Bronco scholarship?"

    Obviously, not even close, since you're not fully invested and you have absolutely no D-1 level football skills.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    Howie S.
    You may put out great effort in slandering BYU but that does not count in anybody's book, especially the book of life. Get some class and we will talk about a scholarship.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 1, 2013 6:11 p.m.

    @Howard... You should know something about losing and low winning percentages... Utah has a 39% win ratio against PAC12 schools over the past 2 years, 42% against PAC12 schools the past 7 years and a 36.6% win ratio against BYU the past 41 years...

    BYU however, has a 60% win ratio against PAC member schools the past 7 years and a 63.4% win ratio against the Utes over the past 41 years... (26-15)...
    this all includes the Crowton years when BYU lost 4 in a row... Just think what the ratio would have been had Crowton not been our coach for those 4 years???

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:37 p.m.

    Would you rather be a 3 or 4 star player who signed with Utah, be at the basement in the PAC 12, and go bowling at Orchard Lanes this December.....or.....?

  • Hank Pym SLC, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:38 p.m.

    to Y Grad / Y Dad July 1st

    **"Oh, quick, where's my star chart?"**

    You're an astrologer?

  • Wally West SLC, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:39 p.m.

    re: Howard S. 7/1 16:30

    How else can byu recapture their glory days of being a medium sized fish in a small pond?

  • Mister J Salt Lake City, UT
    July 1, 2013 6:42 p.m.

    to poyman

    "Just think what the ratio would have been had Crowton not been our coach for those 4 years???"

    That blade cuts both ways. What would the ratio be if Lavell never coached in Provo?

  • Oregon Lawyer Keizer, OR
    July 1, 2013 7:08 p.m.

    Sedgwick played in the CIF-SS, one of the most talent-rich areas in the country. The CIF-SS is HUGE (probably includes 20 million or so people), and names a 1st team for each of its 13 regions. Sedgwick was the ONLY sophomore linebacker named 1st team CIF-SS, and one of only 3 sophomore defenders in the ENTIRE CIF-SS named to a 1st team. This means the coaches and media in SoCal think the kid is a FLAT OUT STUD. The kid had 22 tackles in a CIF playoff game against top shelf competition--he's an absolute one-man wrecking crew out there, a 16 year old kid in a grown man's body. Between his obvious talent and desire to live BYU's Honor Code, BYU would have been nuts to not offer this kid.

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    July 1, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    The kid isnt in Rivals or scouts or ESPN recruiting databases because he is part of the "2015" recruiting class. most, if not all recuiting agencies havent even started analyzing next years recruits. read the article and understand what it says before you start bashing the kid and spouting that BYU always recruits low. I think the trolls on these boards (and we all know what names I am talking about) need to be reclassified as "BYU Haters" instead of supposed "fans" of Utah. all they care about is hating BYU. sad day for collegiate sports when fans become that way.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 1, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Well it looks like the posters are back to comparing red vs. blue regardless of the article. Too bad.
    Kids that are committing for 2015 typically aren't rated yet so they won't have any stars. Lots of silly posts regarding their rating at this time.
    Yes, BYU was only a few points from being 12-1 and a meteor also came close to hitting the earth but in the end; neither happened.
    My favorite, however is WildCougar. Yes Utah 'only' has 6 commits for 2014 which says nothing about the program because the 2013 season hasn't even started. Only 1 of the 6 is a 'lowered star' athlete with a 2 star rating. The rest are all 3 and 4 star rated. Since joining the PAC 12 Utah has significantly upgraded their recruiting and been evaluated as having significantly better recruiting classes then BYU. This isn't my opinion but actual facts.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    July 1, 2013 7:43 p.m.

    This one is especially for Tators regarding the post that the best team usually wins. Spin it any way you want but here are some facts:

    If Utah beats BYU this year it will be their 9th win in the last 12 years or 3 out of every 4.
    If the Y finds a way to win it will be their 4th win in the last 12 years or 1 of every 3.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 1, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    Come on, guys. We all know that once an athlete commits to BYU he loses at least 5 stars. Maybe more. On the other hand, any Ute recruit gains a few stars (or if he has only a few stars, stars suddenly don't matter anymore).

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    July 1, 2013 7:56 p.m.

    LOL at poyman's post. "In the last 41 years" hahaha seriously? Nothing says "I'm trying to maximize BYU's win percentage" like using the past "41 years" in any situation...

    In regards to the article (isn't that what these comments should be about?), it sounds like Sedgwick is a stud. I'll be anxious to see BYU's linebacker group in 4 years or so when he's back from his mission, with Fred Warner, as well (assuming Fred stays committed). Recruiting looks bright at the Y! For Will's sake, I hope he gets 3+ stars when they release scouting star rankings for juniors (they don't give stars for sophomores...) so that the Ute fans will give the kid a chance instead of writing him off as another Bronco recruiting failure.

    No matter how many Eric Weddles, Steve Youngs, Ziggy Ansahs...etc. there are, Ute fans love to trash on the low star recruits. I don't (and won't ever) get that.

    Go Cougs!
    Go Utes! (Except in September of course)

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    July 1, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Naval Vet: Rivals rated Sedgwick as a...um...uh....uh-oh. Rivals never even HEARD of this guy.

    As others have pointed out, evaluations for juniors-to-be are not out yet. No 2015 kid has any stars at all.

    I actually watched his film. He plays like a senior, and a good one at that. He'll be pushing 4 stars next year. If he was uncommitted, I'd guarantee it.

    You have a pretty poor track record when it comes to recruit evaluation, btw.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 1, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    @COutie, Earlier it seemed like you were suggesting that perhaps the comments should focus on the kids instead of blue vs red... But then I read your last post where you were talking about winning either 75% or 67% of the last 12 games and it was apparent that you weren't trying to put yourself above the fray but actually right smack dab in the middle of it...

    While your numbers are correct, I discount the early part of them as Crowton was our coach then and can be attributed with roughly half of those losses... Take them away and we would each have 4 wins when we beat you this year.

    But here's some real numbers to think about: 8... the number of seasons in the past 41 years that the Utes have had a better record than the Cougs; 39... the percentage of Ute wins in the PAC the past 2 years; 42... the percentage of wins against PAC opponents over the past 7 years; 60... the percentage of BYU wins against PAC oponents the past 7 years;and my favorite, 36.6... the percentage of Utah wins over BYU the past 41 years... Less than impressive.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    July 1, 2013 8:59 p.m.

    @poyman

    When discussing statistics, don't use such rigged numbers/years...telling a Ute fan that BYU has a 26-15 record against them in the past 41 years is just as valid as saying the Utes have dominated the Y in the past 12 years. If you want to be taken seriously, use legitimate baselines...essentially the AP era and the BCS era. Those would be more valid. I'm with you with the whole BYU against the PAC vs Utah against the PAC (except that a large portion of BYU's wins were against average/bad teams in the PAC, as were Utah's).

    The whole national relevance argument has two sides imo. Conference affiliation, and national ranking. Which school is more relevant? Boise State, or Colorado? Because by the Ute fans logic, Colorado would be...although Boise State is clearly the better school (football team. The school's academics are sub-par to put it lightly). The person that convinces the Ute fans that the PAC12 logo is not indicative of national relevance should win the Nobel Prize for Common Sense imo...

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    July 1, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    They were sophomores last year. How many stars do sophomores usually have? Watching the video impressed me that Sedgwick knows how to play. Plus, he is 6'2" and 220 pounds at that age. When I went out for my sophomore football team, I was 5'6" 115 pounds. By the time I was in my mid-40s I would have been the right size for tight end (6'4", 220 pounds), except that I was in my mid-40s.

    I think both these guys have a lot of potential. We won't know how well they fulfill that for at least six years, though.

  • Oregon Lawyer Keizer, OR
    July 1, 2013 10:26 p.m.

    I forgot to note that, in addition to BYU, Sedgwick has also been actively recruited by both Harvard and Oregon (multiple visits by Oregon coaches and a commitment to support his LDS mission plans). Yes, THAT Oregon. It's telling that Harvard thinks he's smart enough and Oregon thinks he's good enough. More reason to like the kid.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 1, 2013 10:37 p.m.

    I think the valid measuring stick is the combined Whit and Bronco era (as head coaches... Sorry, 2004 belongs to another era just as 1984 does).

    And when you look at those eras, the coaches stuck up pretty well against each other, albeit the last three years head to head obviously belong to Whit and Utah. But to borrow the expression, "lost the battle, won the war," by the end of the year, BYU won the war in the only meaningful measures for an entire season.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 1, 2013 10:42 p.m.

    Oh and one more thing, b2h, LOL... I wouldn't consider wins over Oregon and UCLA in Bowl games wins against weak teams"... I also wouldn't consider a 59-0 win over UCLA insignificant even in bad years for UCLA...

    I do agree with you on the Rival Rating system however, so see there, there is one thing that we agree on...

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 1, 2013 10:56 p.m.

    Same arguments- man they get old..on both sides- BYU always tries to justify themselves by mentioning bowls and rankings while the U fans bring up number of stars a player is rated with. Both arguments are invalid and not a fair comparison. The difference between a 2 and 4 star athlete is minimal. Some 5 star athletes are truly heads above the others, But coming out of high school, attitude and desire quickly separate the value of a player. The bowl argument is ridiculous. BYU talks about an incredible schedule and yet they play only 1 preseason poll team rated in the top 10, while Utah plays 2. Utah plays 3 teams not rated in the top 80 teams- BYU play 5. BYU has 6 "gimme" games. Utah has 3. BYU will have to win 1 "hard" game to be bowl eligible, while Utah will have to win 4. A much harder schedule. At the end of the season "rated" teams and "bowl eligible" teams are not necessarily better teams but have more wins and in the lower tier bowl games because of an easier schedule. Let's just play the game!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 1, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    @BecktoHarline...Well then, you need to write towards the objective that you think is important... I will write on what I think is important... The hard truth is that no one will convince the opposing fans that their team is more dominant with better national recognition than the other's team.

    Now the periods of time that I chose were based on concrete events... BYU's claim to dominance began with Lavell Edwards promotion to head coach in 1972, thus the 41 years... Which makes 26-15 relevant (or at least it does to me). I even think that the past 11 years (12 if you include this year) mean something as that represents the current trend.

    When you begin to instruct people on how they need to analyze and write to be taken "seriously" you have just stepped into deep water... This is an opinion board, people write their opinions based on how they see the issue... If it doesn't convince you don't click "like"...

    A couple of my friends and family have read your posts on the topic and find them to be vanilla and without much significance... But good on you... it's your opinion. See how that works?

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 2, 2013 12:02 a.m.

    One more point- I love the statistical comparison between games won against PAC-12 teams by Utah compared to BYU. Totally irrelevant and grossly skewed. You can't compare the percentage of BYU wins against a few lower level PAC 12 teams to the Utah percentage playing ALL the Pac-12 teams top to bottom. If BYU played USC, UCLA, Stanford, Oregon, Washington, etc. it would be way different than playing Oregon State on a bad year and Washington State any year. Play the FULL Pac-12 Schedule and BYU percentages would plummet.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2013 7:43 a.m.

    Tators:

    I've already told you. Your "higher rankings" you're referring to were subjective positionings due to your overall record. And that overall record was due to your weak SOS. Pollsters often don't even watch the games. They just look at who won the game, and adjust their voting accordingly.

    The bottom line is -- and you KNOW this -- that the determination as to who was the better team was on the field. And on the field, Utah was the better team for the last 3 consecutive outings, and 8 of the last 11. So no, mendmediocrity is NOT doing more with less. He's just losing with lesser athletes.

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    July 2, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    "At the end of the season "rated" teams and "bowl eligible" teams are not necessarily better teams but have more wins and in the lower tier bowl games because of an easier schedule. Let's just play the game!"

    While I agree that a team ranked #23 may not necessarily be better than a team ranked #24 or #25, they are a better guideline than you give it credit for. Polls consider strength of schedule as well as record. That is why undefeated teams can still be ranked somewhat low in the polls. The point is, when a final ranking shows one team ranked significantly higher than another, overall that team was better, despite strength of schedule.

    "Play the FULL Pac-12 Schedule and BYU percentages would plummet."

    It's really hard to tell. BYU might do well, or they might not. All we do know is what we've seen in the past, and except for the last few years BYU and Utah had very similar schedules (they were in the same conference) and overall BYU's record has been better than Utah's.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    July 2, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    These guys are going to be totally awesome.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    Cougar in Texas:

    "You have a pretty poor track record when it comes to recruit evaluation, btw"

    No I don't. I'm not the one who evaluates recruits. Rivals is. If those 2 athletes are "5-star" caliber kids, then don't take it up with ME. Take it up with RIVALs! Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    July 2, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    @Tators..."Usually, the better team wins. And that's exactly what will happen this year. The "stars" are all aligned to allow justice to prevail this year. Wait, watch and see."

    Couldn't agree more the better team does win and thats exactly what has happened the last 3 years and 8 of the last 11.

    @poywoman...How about this percentage for you over the last 3 years the Utes have won 100% of the time and that was with Bronco not Crowton as if that matters. That was funny though you try to pass off the crowton years as if they dont count....LOL!

    I'm glad both of you and alot of cougies on these threads keep saying how the Y will win for sure come September. It's exactly what all of you said the last 3 years. Please keep on perdicting how badly your going to beat the U.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    July 2, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    Just Smiling
    BOUNTIFUL, UT

    Utah hasn't played a PAC whatever schedule from top to bottom yet either.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    July 2, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    Navel

    "Don't be so frantic and emotional."

    I love this argument. You come to BYU articles and attack BYU and their fans and when they fight back, you tell them that they are frantic and emotional.

    Interesting...

    Its like what happened when utah came to play ASU. I was in the bathroom before the game washing my hands. There were 10-15 other ASU fans in the room as well. In walks a 2004 BCS T-shirt wearing utah fan that had already had a few beers in him (at least I hope he was drunk, and not just stupid).

    He stands in the middle of the bathroom and yells, "We're going to kick your..."

    Now, I am not sure what happened next because I left, but from the amount of commotion that came from the bathroom, ASU fans were not happy.

    So let me ask you...

    Were the ASU fans frantic and emotional? Yep, probably.

    But more so it begs the question...

    What are you u fans thinking?

    u'r entitled to your opinion...

    but don't come here thinking some people aren't going to throw it back at u.

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    July 2, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    Naval Vet:

    So you DO evaluate recruits? Based on what? You criticize the commitment of Sedgwick, claiming he had no "stars", but failed to realize that no 2015 recruit had yet been evaluated!

    You have now made a similar criticism for several of BYU's commits. Here are a few of the gems that you claimed were weak commits:

    Fred Warner: Subsequently offered by USC and, yes, Utah! He must not be so bad after all.

    Robertson Daniel: No stars? No other offers? Err, well he was a 2011 First-Team JC All American, the same AA team that included Ute lineman Junior Salt. He did not qualify academically in the December time period. BYU only looked at him when our projected DB starter and JC transfer, Trent Trammel, went down in the spring with a torn ACL.

    And now, Sedgwick. I recommend you watch his film and ask yourself if he were not a BYU commit and were considering Utah, if you'd think he was a very good prospect, especially for a HS sophomore.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    Frantic and Emotional Cougar in Texas:

    "So you DO evaluate recruits? Based on what?"

    I don't know what you're talking about. Your 11:41 post was replete with strawman arguments. I never said I evaluated recruits. Go back and see for yourself in my 8:07 post. There it says:

    "I'm not the one who evaluates recruits. Rivals is. If those 2 athletes are "5-star" caliber kids, then don't take it up with ME. Take it up with RIVALs!"

    "You have now made a similar criticism for several of BYU's commits. Here are a few of the gems that you claimed were weak commits...Fred Warner...Robertson Daniel...And now, Sedgwick."

    Warner? Another strawman arguments. Here's what I said about Warner...

    "Rivals likes this kid as a 3-star recruit...which is typically 1-star too many for a cougar recruit. He might very well be the gem of your 2014 recruiting class." (Apr. 3rd, 3:16 pm)

    And HOW is that "criticism"?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    Cougar in Texas (cont.)

    And here is what I said about Daniel...

    "Rivals lists [Daniel] as having received no other offers, and as a 2-star athlete, Daniel is JUST the sort of player our midmajorey little brother looks for."

    Whoops! Looks like I did indeed misspeak there. Rivals listed him as a 0-star athlete. I least I'm the sort of person with enough integrity to admit when I'm wrong. Are YOU?

    Oh...and for what it's worth, Rivals listed him as having zero other offers, so that part I DID get right.

    "And now, Sedgwick."

    And? What about him? Did Rivals rate him at all? I said they didn't. Was I wrong? No? I thought not.

    Don't be so frantic and emotional.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    July 2, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    @Tators

    Actually, Bronco adopted the policy that it's very gratifying to take low-star players and consistently finish each season with a better record and ranked higher than U with it's supposedly higher-star players.

    -------------

    Supposedly better talent? Go look at the last few NFL drafts. Utah has learning curve in the PAC-12:

    "If this were a five-year projection, I think the Utes would be higher. But I also think they need to go through at least a full class cycle before they can really start climbing the Pac-12 hierarchy. Our preseason hype last season was misguided, and the Utes' lack of depth was exposed. It takes time to build not only a starting lineup that can win in the Pac-12, but also the depth behind those starters. The facility upgrades are a good step in the right direction." -- By Kevin Gemmell | ESPN.com (June 21, 2013)

    According to DN, Bronco's two main goals are:

    Fix the 'Utah' Problem
    Win ranked teams

    Good thing for BYU fans that he learned not to put goals on t-shirts.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    July 2, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    Being the fourth best team in Utah, do the utes rate half a star?

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 2, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    To BYU Grad/BYU Dad- In 2011 BYU beat 1 PAC-12 School, Oregon State 38-28, Utah beat Oregon State 27-8 and beat BYU 54-10 (OUCH!) In 2012 BYU played 3 PAC-12 schools- They beat Washington State 30-6, Utah beat them 49-6 and beat BYU 24-21. BYU and Utah lost to Oregon State BYU lost 42-24, Utah lost 21-7. In 2013 Utah plays a brutal PAC-12 schedule of Oregon State (better than 2012), Oregon already rated #3 nationally, Stanford already rated #7 nationally, USC, UCLA, Arizona and Arizona State. Meanwhile BYU will play only 1 PAC-12 team this year and it's UTAH. BYU has 6 games with gimme teams- All they have to do is win one other game and again they will be a bowl team but what does that mean? Seems that if BYU played a PAC-12 schedule that rankings and bowl games wouldn't be there at the end of their season either.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 2, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    Just Smiling:

    That's what I've been telling them all along, but they always come back with "spin" talk, and suggest that they'll go bowling because their 41-yr legacy of beating the worst teams in the WAC.

    That passes for Indy-WACey logic ya know.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    July 2, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Lol, wow, you just referenced a comment you made almost three months ago. Was that in your "archive" of D News comments that you have on file?

    Hilarious!

    "And? What about him? Did Rivals rate him at all? I said they didn't. Was I wrong? No? I thought not."

    Good job, Naval, way to save face. Has Rivals rated ANY 2015 recruit? No? Fascinating. It's a good thing that you KNEW that Sedgwick was a 2015 recruit, which is why Rivals hasn't rated him yet, or else U would have looked pretty silly making that comment about how Rivals doesn't even have him listed.

    Whew...you dodged a bullet there.

    Lol!

    Go Cougars!

  • Barnbug1 SPANISH FORK, UT
    July 2, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    I'm sure all of you brain surgeons know that most kids don't get evaluated until after their junior year. I know, it's just what adults do concerning 15 & 16 year old kids. By the way, UCLA coach Mora commented on a radio show that Sedgwick was an absolute stud.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 2, 2013 5:04 p.m.

    @justsmiling

    LOL... Tell us who you think are the 6 gimmee teams besides Utah NS Maybe Idaho State?

    Ae you thinking Virginia and Georgia Tech from the ACC who are both AQ teams? One beat Miami, Penn State and UNC last year and the other won their division in the ACC...

    Maybe you are thinking Houston who was a 12-1 power just 2 years ago? Or maybe Middle Tennessee who is expected to have a very good year and win their conference (C-USA)?

    And maybe you are talking about Utah State who beat the Ute's last year and is expected to beat both Utah and BYU this year? (last year they only lost to Wisconsin by 2 with a missed field goal at the end, and to BYU (by 3) in Provo.

    I know, you're thinking of Nevada who has played in a bowl for each of the last 8 years (losing by 1 point to Arizona last year)... BTW, how did the Utes do against Arizona last year?(Lost by 10 at home).

    I'm guessing that you're not taking about Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin, or ND...

    So there's our schedule... Who are the "6 gimmees"?

  • oldschool Farmington, UT
    July 2, 2013 5:27 p.m.

    I think it would behoove BYU fans to quit referring to the University of Utah all the time. It reminds me of a prospective mate on The Bachelor continually criticizing other propspects rather than concentrating on the task at hand.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 2, 2013 6:18 p.m.

    @oldschool,

    I don't watch the Bachelor, but I think I understand what you are saying..

    I'm all for that... All you have to do is to get the Utie fans to stop coming on the Cougar Boards to provoke Cougar fans... Do you think you can get them to do that???

    If you can, then we're golden.

  • morganh Orem, Utah
    July 2, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    @ Chris, Naval, Howie, and all the trolls who think the stars by a recruit and how many BCS schools recruit them are evidence at how good that player will be.

    How many BCS schools recruited Cody Hoffman of B.Y.U who is rated by Bleacher Report as the 9th best receiver for 2013 season? Answer: none. Further proof that the stars by your name and who recruits you are not that significant. Also Hoffman is joined on this list by players from BCS schools such as Texas and Alabama.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 2, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    @POYMAN- First of all live in the present- how are the teams this year, not what they did in the past. Using lol is also outdated. And trash talking Utah after 3 years in a row,,,really? THIS YEAR- Nevada is rebuilding rated #76, Houston is totally rebuilding rated #92 and even at 12-1 2 years ago who did they play to get that 12-1 season?, Mid Tennessee? rated #98! And Idaho State? great move to coast before the Notre Dame game, kind of like having a bye before playing Utah and playing Mid Tennessee before the Utah State game. In my opinion they play 4 PAC-12 like teams- Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin and Notre Dame. I am sure that if they played Utah's PAC-12 schedule they would not be bowl eligible.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 3, 2013 10:04 a.m.

    Just Smiling--

    "And Idaho State? great move to coast before the Notre Dame game, kind of like having a bye before playing Utah and playing Mid Tennessee before the Utah State game."

    You forgot, 2-Star byu also scheduled a bye before playing WISC, as well! There's a reason Phil Steele ranks their SOS #49, barely inside the top-half of the nation!

  • WildCougar Holladay, UT
    July 3, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    uteology

    You are confused, this is COLLEGE football. It's not a NFL roster. There is no such thing as building or re-building a team, I'm not sure you know this but kids leave in 3-4 years most of the players have 2 good playing seasons, and than what do you do keep building? I don't understand your logic, what are you building?

    The utes aren't getting good recruits now, they have been in the pac for 2 years now. Why would you start getting better recruits. You think that would start in effect day 1, but its not. Kids want to go to a bigger branded school, better climate, better tradition. Hate to break it to you but the university of utah is neither. The utes is 10th in the conference because for a reason, it is the 9th or 10th best option for kids in the pac. It will always be that way. There is no rebuilding or building you have nothing to build upon.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 3, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    morganh:

    "How many BCS schools recruited Cody Hoffman of B.Y.U who is rated by Bleacher Report as the 9th best receiver for 2013 season?"

    Hoffman is an extraordinary athlete, but the reason why no BCS school offered him was because he played small ball in high school. Nobody had ever heard of him...including the Y. What got this kid on the Indy-WACers radar was his coach referred him to mendenmidmajor.

    Trotting out names like Hoffman and Ansah are nothing more than red herrings. Do a little reseach. Tally up the number of unheralded recruits coming out of high school vs. 3-, 4-, and 5-star recruits who eventually made NFL rosters, and see how they stack up percentage wise.

    And then you'll see why "stars" ARE generally a good metric as to how good they'll eventually be.

  • RealBlue Holladay, UT
    July 3, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    How do you know Cody played small ball? What is small ball anyway in high school? It is great that he was referred to mendenhall. Where was whittinghispants at when they need a receiver? whittinghispants is happening now because he can't win more than 5 games a year up on the hill. Why can't he win because he can't recruit. All he can do is hire a dinosaur to "help" your useless oc coach. A big reason he can't recruit because nobody cares enough about frutah football and refer their players. So I see it as another win for BYU.

  • RealBlue Holladay, UT
    July 3, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    Just Smiling

    First of all live in the present- how are the teams this year, not what they did in the past.

    Who is the one that has a 05 fiesta bowl banner draped all over their stadium? Fiesta Bowl dude. Really?!?! What other team in this country has a bowl game banner hanging huge on their stadium, were not talkin championships we are talking bowl game. Oh wait it's the same team that puts their conference sticker on their car. It's got to be the ONE and ONLY utes.

    You think BYU is the only team that holds on to the past, you guys hold on to that bowl game like it was some marvelous achievement.

    If it wasn't for you being in the MWC you wouldn't even have had that opportunity because you would have lost half those games, you almost did anyway. I wouldn't toot your horn to loud because nobody is impressed.

  • Just Smiling BOUNTIFUL, UT
    July 3, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    @TrueBlue- what are you talking about? 1. I'm talking about the actual teams byu will be playing this year and their quality this year. I have no clue what caused your rant about bowl banners. But now that you have brought it up....2. Both banners are about undefeated seasons and different than byu 1980's banner they were in this century. 3. Both bowl banners represent major bowls that byu has never qualified for, 4. I'm not sure why you are attacking undefeated in a MWC season, at least it wasn't after a season of WAC teams and 5. take a chill pill, 3 seasons in a row must be very frustrating and upsetting.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 3, 2013 11:25 p.m.

    @justsmiling... Had to travel today and just got home... So I didn't get a chance to respond til now... But I've been looking forward to it...

    Your statement on difficulty of scheduling tells me that you don't understand how it works...

    Chase down any strength of schedule charts and you will find that schedule strength is predicated on the previous season's win-loss records... For instance, Marc Lawrence's College Preview just came out and he rates every college team's schedule for this year... In fact some of your Ute buddies have been on the board boasting about it (that and the number of stars on your 2 and 3 star recruits...)...LOL

    Borrow some money and go buy it... You will find that on page 103 the 2013 college schedules are ranked from most to least difficult ... And it's based on two criterion: 1) The win-loss record of each team from last year; and 2)the accumlative win-loss record of all teams on LAST YEARS SCHEDULE.... So your comment regarding past records doesn't seem to carry much validity (at least with theexperts, consistent with other things you've on this board... Oh,and LOL.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 4, 2013 1:09 a.m.

    @justsmiling,

    I didn't get to say all that I wanted to say in my last post, so here's more...

    You say "live in the present" and not focus on their past...Focus on "how the teams are this year"... LOL... Then you cite some rankings but don't reference them of course...

    Just so you know, the polls aren't out yet... There are a few magazines that give power rankings... But if we're going to do power rankings, let's just compare Utah with BYU straight up...

    I found two magazines that have power rankings of the college teams 1-125... One of them is Lindy' Sports... They have BYU rated #39 over-all, unfortunately for Utah, it is rated #69 (ouch);... The other one that I found was Phil Steel's Power Poll for the FBS teams 1 through 126... Utah does better in this ranking, they are all the way up to #60, BYU however is #34...

    Just seems like you can't catch a break for your arguments here, sorry...

    If you would like to share a reference for your ratings of Nevada and Houston, I'd love to check them out... LOL.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 4, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @justsmiling

    I forgot to mention Utah israted in the Lawrence Mag to have the 21st toughest schedule in the country and BYU is in the middle of the pack at about 55th.

    What's interesting is Virginia is rated 1st for the most difficult, Houston is rated 5th, Boise State is rated 11th and Nevada is rated 13th...

    UCLA, Oregon, ASU, and OSU are rated in the bottom 3rd and add Arizona and USC and the big bad PAC12 has 6 of it's teams in the bottom half of the schedule toughness list... All with schedules rated easier than BYU's...

    Now IMHO, I think that Utah will do better with their schedule (they are predicted to finish 3-9) than they would do with BYU's schedule... I would pick them to beat only 2 teams on BYU's schedule (and one of them is a "maybe"... (Idaho State and maybe Middle Tennessee)...

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 4, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @Poyman

    I notice that the one thing the Virginia, Houston, Boise, Nevada, and utah schedules all have in common is that they all play BYU and they all have highly ranked SOS. All of the pac12 teams you listed whose schedules rank in the bottom half for SOS all have something in common as well, they all play lightly regarded and lowly ranked utah.

    It would appear that lowly utah hurts the SOS of schools like BYU, usc, asu, osu, oregon, ariz, and ucla, whereas having BYU on the schedule dramatically boosts the SOS of lowly regarded utah.

    BYU probably should have replaced utah on its schedule with one of the MWC schools as that would have increased their SOS.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 4, 2013 6:02 p.m.

    @jutsmiling

    I forgot to answer a couple of your questions after re-reading your post and I hate "incompletes", besides I am bored and I think that there are just a couple of us reading this board now anyway...

    Who did Houston beat in 2011 you ask??? Everybody in C-USA (except Southern Miss) plus UCLA (6-8 that year) and Penn State (9-4 that year) in a the Ticket City Bowl game played in Dallas, TX just as Penn State's issues were begining to become public...

    I have to tell you that your comment about "resting up before playing Utah" with a bye week made me choke on the rootbeer I was drinking... Could be the best line I have heard from a utie on this board this year...

    Yep js, we didn't need the break and prep week for Texas, Boise State or Wisconsin... We needed it for the #60 or #69 rated Utes (depending upon which power ranking you need)who also happen to be dragging our SOS for the year... You really caught us there, and I am so embarrassed... LOL (I'd add a whole bunch more of these if I could)...

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    July 4, 2013 7:37 p.m.

    poyman...you people are hilarious. According to byu fans, star rankings of players mean nothing because that what Bronco tols you to think. You find preseason rankings and regard them as the gospel truth because that's what you want to see.

    The entertainment value of Bronco and his fans is just flat out off the charts...LOL!

    Go Cougs!

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2013 1:08 a.m.

    @ RealBlue

    What's wrong with Utah's receivers? Utah had QB problems, the receivers were fine for the most part. Utah has had solid recruiting classes the past few seasons (that were ranked much higher than BYU for the record). Your claim that Whittingham can't recruit is flat out wrong. Just look at all the players Utah has put into the league since Whittingham took over.

    As a head coach Whittingham has only won 5 games or less once. Again, your claim is false.

    As for bowl banners, BYU has a banner for every single bowl they have played in hanging on the press box despite the fact that most of those games resulted in a loss. Also, the BCS bowls are something that should be celebrated. It was a big deal for a mid-major to not only make it to a BCS game, but to come away with a convincing victory (twice). You don't sound jealous or bitter at all, btw.

    BYU was in the MWC too so why didn't they bust the BCS? In fact half of BYU's schedule is made up of gimme games. Why haven't they gone undefeated since going indy?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 5, 2013 1:15 a.m.

    @ poyman

    You understand that BYU makes their own schedule, right? I guarantee you that the BYE week before the Utah game was not an accident. Nobody will be mad if BYU losses to Texas or Wisconsin, because it's expected. Losing to Utah four years in a row on the other hand....

  • Cougar in Texas Houston, TX
    July 5, 2013 6:28 a.m.

    Naval Vet:

    Why did you leave out the portions of your April 3 comment about Warner that clearly showed you did not respect him as a recruit? Backpedalling a bit, are we, now that USC (and others, including Utah) has offered him?

    You also left off my statement that you have a very poor track record in recruit evaluation, to which your first words in your reply were "No I don't".

    Go back and read your own comments over the months. You offer plenty of your own recruit "evaluations".

    Daniel was voted his JC team's 2011 MVP, and was a 2011 1st Team JC All American as voted by the JC Coaches in California. He was recruited by Colorado, Texas Tech, UTEP, and SJSU. His lack of offers was due to his double failure to qualify mid-year. His Scout ranking is "NR" which means he hasn't been evaluated. Rivals has no profile for him. He presents a bit of an academic risk, but not an athletic one.

    And I don't think you do admit when you are wrong. When you stated that Sedgwick had "zero stars", you clearly thought he was a 2014 recruit.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    July 5, 2013 8:31 a.m.

    Two For Flinching

    "@ poyman

    You understand that BYU makes their own schedule, right? I guarantee you that the BYE week before the Utah game was not an accident. Nobody will be mad if BYU losses to Texas or Wisconsin, because it's expected. Losing to Utah four years in a row on the other hand...."

    Byes before both UTAH/WISC, MTSU prior to usu, UH prior to bsu and ISU prior to nd. Their schedule continues to be ripe with weeks-off, which is why Phil Steele has their '13 SOS ranked #49. By comparison, he ranks UTAH's #12.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 5, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    @ 2forflinching and AZute1... You "guarnatee" that BYU purposely scheduled a bye week before the Utah game?... That is so rich it is funny... It's funny because it demonstrates to the objective reader how far from reasonable some of you Utah fans are... Why any team that is "power ranked" 30 spots ahead of another team would purposely schedule a bye in order to prepare to play the weaker team defies anyones logic.

    You want to do "guarantees? Here's mine... You give Utah far too much credit... On the 2013 schedule a BYU fan would much prefer to beat Texas, Boise State or Wisconsin... Utah or Idaho State won't get us the notoriety and the rankings that the schools that I just mentioned would get us...

    I assure you, BYU won't need a week off or a day off to beat Utah this year... I believe that Utah wins only one game this year... Good thing y'all scheduled Weber College.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    July 5, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @2fer

    Actually the bye week for BYU before the utah game came about because of scheduling issues with utah, Texas, and Virgina, not because BYU necessarily wanted it that way, although it doesn't hurt.

    Go back and see how the games were all moved around to accomodate the schedules of everyone involved.

    I love how utah "fans" like yourself think the world revolves around your losing and lowly ranked program.

    LOL!

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    July 5, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    If BYU were to be able to move around the schedule as you suggest in order to prepare for tougher games 2-4-flinching and AZutie, We would have definitely scheduled Utah the week before Boise State, Texas or Wisconsin... In fact, we might have wanted to schedule Utah before MTSU as I suspect that they will give us a tougher game this year.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    July 8, 2013 1:13 a.m.

    "I assure you, BYU won't need a week off or a day off to beat Utah this year... I believe that Utah wins only one game this year... Good thing y'all scheduled Weber College."

    Comments like this make you lose all credibility. Your emotion is clearly blocking your ability to think logically.

    @ Duckhunter

    I will take your word for it. However I still believe most of my point stands. Regardless of where Utah is ranked, it is still one of the three most important games on BYU's schedule. Nobody wants to lose to their big rival, and doing so four years in a row is terrible any way you slice it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    July 9, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    Cougar in Texas:

    "Why did you leave out the portions of your April 3 comment about Warner that clearly showed you did not respect him as a recruit? Backpedalling a bit, are we, now that USC...has offered him? "

    The REAL question is, if I HAD have omitted anything disrespectful to Warner, why didn't YOU quote me?

    Answer: Because I DIDN'T say anything disrespectful about Warner. You frantically and emotionally made that up, and now YOU are one the one who's backpedaling (typical hypocritical coug), because as an Indy-WACer, you can't admit when you're wrong.

    "You also left off my statement that you have a very poor track record in recruit evaluation, to which your first words in your reply were 'No I don't'....Go back and read your own comments over the months. You offer plenty of your own recruit 'evaluations'."

    Again, no I don't. If I HAD have, you would have produced a quote from me. But since I don't, you're stuck with inventing frantic and emotional strawman arguments.