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  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 23, 2013 11:48 p.m.

    Where is ESPN to help with those lackluster November schedules?

  • Denver2Portland Denver, CO
    June 24, 2013 1:30 a.m.

    What BYU needs to do is what Notre Dame did before they did a deal with the ACC. BYU needs to find about six or seven schools they know they can count on each year they can play anytime of the season, including November. Example, like What Notre Dame has/had with USC, Stanford, Pitt, B.C., etc.

    If BYU can get teams out west with credibility and good competition such as Boise State, Houston or SMU, Utah State, Air Force, San Diego State, Oregon State, and Nebraska and play them every year, that would solve many of the scheduling issues.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    June 24, 2013 2:28 a.m.

    @Howard S.

    BYU's November schedule---Wisconsin, Idaho State, Notre Dame, Nevada
    Utah's November schedule---Arizona State, Oregon, Washington State, Colorado

    Weakest teams- Idaho State, Colorado, Washington State
    Average teams- Arizona State, Nevada
    Strong teams- Wisconsin
    Strongest teams- Notre Dame, Oregon

    If you honestly think that Utah's November schedule is THAT much stronger than BYU's, strong enough that you would take time out of your undoubtably busy day, to comment first on a BYU article, then by all means, comment away.

    From my standpoint, it looks like BYU has the tougher November schedule, especially considering the away games in Madison and South Bend (Utah's definitely gonna have a tough game in Autzen as well).

    I like BYU's schedule this year. I hope we put out a team worth bragging about at the end of the season, unlike the letdowns we've had the best two years. I hope BYU gets a W in the last Holy War that matters. Nothing is more embarrassing to Cougar fans than consistently losing to the Utes.

    Go Cougs!
    Go Utes! (except on September 21st, of course)

  • BryceDeMann Murray, UT
    June 24, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    Howard S, Are you being serious about that question? With the help espn gives BYU they are on national television all throughout the year even when they play the no name teams. Other teams in this state can play USC, Wisconsin, UCLA, Washington, etc and the best they can do is a regional root sports broadcast. Better to be the team complaining about blowing out n names, than to be the cellar dweller no name getting pounded by USC, Oregon, Stanford. Utah should have a great november schedule. But no one outside Salt Lake will even notice.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    @Beck to Harline

    Wisconsin is part of 2 for 1 deal. ND is part of a 4 for 2 deal with no schedule for retun games to Provo.

    The big boys will occasionally play BYU, even in November... they just won't do it on a straight up home and home basis.

    Utah's games are all on a perpetual home and home basis

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    June 24, 2013 8:16 a.m.

    Howard

    So U can lose both at RES AND in Colorado.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 24, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    And you lose both at RES and les. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 24, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    @ Howard S,

    "Utah's games are all on a perpetual home and home basis."
    You have no argument from me there, dude! But don't pretend that anyone knows you got that because of anything deserving you did on the field in the Pac 12. The Utes and the Buffaloes were invited to fill a purpose and a need in that conference period, solely out of necessity after the other programs rejected the original invitations. You know it, we know it, and the Pac 12 knows it too. So until you have actually done something that is worth bragging and pounding your chest about in your new conference, please don't pretend you have already. I do like the Utes a lot and follow them except when they play BYU, but I'm tired of the constant put down and deliberate disrespect.

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 24, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    They should schedule USU, utah and Weber in November.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    @ Y Grad / Y Dad

    BYU fans crowing that CO did what their team can't do has to be the lamest form of smack...

    But hey... it's Monday so I'll cut you some slack.

  • spokaloo Adin, CA
    June 24, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    The Utah fans piling on BYU because of the November scheduling challenges is hilarious. Yes, it is tough for BYU to schedule as one of the few independents. It would however be impossible for Utah. They could not go independent. Not enough clout or fan base. I know you don't have to worry about it. You got invited to the PAC 12 due to lack of options.

    Everyone know that BYU would have been in the PAC 10 or Big 12 in the 1980's if not for their religious affiliation and associated limitations. Utah fans hang their hat on 4-5 good seasons in their history. Talk to me when you been relevant for 40-50 years (see BYU's 5th highest winning percentage of any team since 1970, and 13th highest average ranking of any team since 1970).

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 9:15 a.m.

    @thebigsamoan

    Nothin wrong with being second choice... as long as you get chosen... An outcome that does not appear likely for BYU.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 9:31 a.m.

    @BryceDeMann

    If TV coverage against a lackluster schedule is the objective... Congratulations... you win.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 24, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Nothing great about being second choice when the only reason you were chosen was to be cannon fodder for the big boys of the conference to pad their conference win totals.

    Eventually, those perpetual losing, bowl-less seasons will become tiresome, even for the kids on the hill, and the only thing you'll have left to beat your chests about are your fading PAC 12 t-shirts.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    howie

    BYU's TV coverage included FIVE Top 25 teams including a team that played in the BCS championship game and a bowl game.

    Utah's TV coverage included TWO Top 25 teams and no bowl game.

    Luckily for U, not much of your 7-loss, lackluster schedule was nationally televised.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Who can forget that EPIC game with Idaho late in the season!

  • Blue Cougar Oak Harbor, WA
    June 24, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    I love the BYU schedule! It's the best we've ever had. As a BYU Alum in Washington State I'll be able to watch nearly all of the football games, which, unfortunately, didn't happen when we were in the Mountain West. Much of our future schedule will depend on how well our team plays. Victories, even narrow victories, over big name programs will increase the number of fans watching our team play. This, in turn, will lead to better broadcast times and bigger games in November. As for the Utes, I hope they have a great season against everyone but BYU. But after reading the constant barrage of unnecessary negativity from some Ute fans, I'm kind of glad that they're dodging us for a couple of years.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 24, 2013 10:22 a.m.

    Howie:
    I would again like to thank you and AZUTE, ekute, Naval, and our other ute friends for your continual obsession with BYU and all things BYU does, says, resembles, and exemplifies. Your incessant denial that BYU means anything to U and that you care more about bowls, conference wins etc, while at the same time posting on just about every BYU article available is a great source of entertainment for us, and always gives me a good laugh to start the day. Keep it up.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 24, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    BYU has put together a very nice, and very tough schedule this year. It will be interesting to see how they fare. It seems like Army or Navy might be worth approaching for November games. I beleive both are independents.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 11:09 a.m.

    @ Blue Cougar

    First, when BYU plays the big boys they have a losing record... TV coverage hasn't changed that.

    Second, why would wins against the big boys lead to bigger games in November? The big boys already have big games to play in November... they don't need mid-major Indy BYU.

    Oh, and if by dodging you mean "dumping" then I see your point.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 24, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    @Chris B - "Who can forget that EPIC game with Idaho late in the season!"

    At least we won our EPIC game. But none of us can forget the Utes EPIC game with Colorado late in 2011. Didn't the Vandals and Buffs have the same record going into those EPIC games?

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    christy

    Who can forget that EPIC game with Colorado late in the season!

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 24, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    BryceDeMann said:

    "Howard S, Are you being serious about that question? With the help espn gives BYU they are on national television all throughout the year even when they play the no name teams. Other teams in this state can play USC, Wisconsin, UCLA, Washington, etc and the best they can do is a regional root sports broadcast. Better to be the team complaining about blowing out n names, than to be the cellar dweller no name getting pounded by USC, Oregon, Stanford. Utah should have a great november schedule. But no one outside Salt Lake will even notice."

    I think you and some other BYU fans her need to reread the article title.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    @Cousndawgs

    Happy to be of service... and if an objective view helps Cougar Nation see through the fog of BYU's media spin, then so much the better.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2013 11:19 a.m.

    It must be a very slow day at the pumps to get such a response from the BYU bashing party.

  • NightOwlAmerica SALEM, OR
    June 24, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    spokaloo said:

    "The Utah fans piling on BYU because of the November scheduling challenges is hilarious. Yes, it is tough for BYU to schedule as one of the few independents. It would however be impossible for Utah. They could not go independent. Not enough clout or fan base. I know you don't have to worry about it. You got invited to the PAC 12 due to lack of options.

    Everyone know that BYU would have been in the PAC 10 or Big 12 in the 1980's if not for their religious affiliation and associated limitations. Utah fans hang their hat on 4-5 good seasons in their history. Talk to me when you been relevant for 40-50 years (see BYU's 5th highest winning percentage of any team since 1970, and 13th highest average ranking of any team since 1970)."

    Well here we are. 40-50 years later and BYU is still irrelevant. No official conference invite, just rumors.
    BYU went indie due to lack of options.
    FYI - Utah has the highest bowl winning percentage over ten games of any team in the country.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica:

    "Everyone know that BYU would have been in the PAC 10 or Big 12 in the 1980's if not for their religious affiliation and associated limitations."

    Actually, everybody knows that's just the Indy-WACer's unfounded frantic and emotional fantasy, designed to excuse their failure to do what their hated big brother did.

    Utah...

    (1) Was the "original" BCS buster. Little brother never even made the cut.
    (2) Was the 1st non-AQ team to bust multiple BCS bowl games. Little brother just watched BSU and TCU accomplish what Utah could do, but they themselves could not.
    (3) Got invited to your 1st choice of conferences; the very conference you all had been pretending to have been in super-secret negotiations...for about 3 decades. Little brother not only was never considered for the Pac-10, but they were "Fully Rejected" by their 2nd choice (Big 12), and only invited to join the worst BCS league -- the soon to be midmajor Big East/AAC -- because the 2-time BCS bowl busting Broncos bullied the Big East into extending one.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 24, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    NightOwlAmerica,

    Remind us all how many of those impressive 10 bowl wins were big name bowls against top competition? The answer is only one!!! By the way for all you keeping track, the win lose total for the Holy War since 1972 is BYU 26 wins and Utah 14 wins!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    June 24, 2013 1:02 p.m.

    Reno Indy-WAC Fan 68:

    "Remind us all how many of those impressive 10 bowl wins were big name bowls against top competition?"

    Here's little brother's success vs. "top competition" included beating:

    2006: unranked Oregon
    2007: unranked UCLA
    2009: unranked Ore. St.

    Now for the Utes:

    2001: unranked USC
    2004: #25 Pittsburgh
    2005: unranked Ga. Tech
    2008: #6 Alabama
    2009: unranked California
    2011: unranked Ga. Tech

    Significant edge: Utah.

  • Blue Cougar Oak Harbor, WA
    June 24, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    @Howard S. I'm sorry Howard, I didn't mean to draw you into the conversation. When I made my comments I was speaking to the other adults. But yes, the Utes "dumped" BYU for Fresno State in their effort to reach a bowl game.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    The article did not mention future schedules.

    Most of BYU's 2014 and 2015 schedule are set, except for November:

    Nov 2014: @Middle Tennessee, Southern Miss, UNLV, TBA, TBA
    Nov 2015: TBA, @UNLV, TBA, TBA

    From what I could find, as of today not a single BCS team has been willing to commit to playing at LES in November. So what's more likely the type teams going to be for TBA? Teams like Ohio State/Florida or Idaho State/SMU?

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    This article is wrong. Everyone wants to play us whether in November or September. With our worldwide following, ESPN broadcast partner and HD truck, we offer many benefits to potential opponents.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    June 24, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    @ Reno Cougs Fan 68

    "Remind us all how many of those impressive 10 bowl wins were big name bowls against top competition? The answer is only one!!! By the way for all you keeping track, the win lose total for the Holy War since 1972 is BYU 26 wins and Utah 14 wins!!!"

    You Cougie fans love your selective statistics, don't you? Selective statistics can also be bent in Utah's favor too.

    Head-to-Head Since 2002:

    Utah 8
    BYU 3

    Since 1998 (BCS modern era):

    Utah 9
    BYU 6

    Since 1988:

    Utah 14
    BYU 11

    Since 1922:

    Utah 53
    BYU 31

    Since 1896:
    Utah 56
    BYU 34

    Selective statistics are fun! Now I can see why you Cougie fans love to use them.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    @Blue Cougar

    Utah didn't dump BYU for Fresno.

    Utah dumped BYU for a combination of the following reason:

    1. They can... and they hold all the negotiating leverage...
    2. Continuing to beat BYU annually does nothing to help Utah achieve its PAC 12 goals...
    3. Utah doesn't need a game with BYU...
    4. Utah shouldn't enhance the strength of BYU's schedule by granting them a BCS game...

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 24, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Reno Cougs Fan 68
    Reno, NV
    NightOwlAmerica,

    Remind us all how many of those impressive 10 bowl wins were big name bowls against top competition? The answer is only one!!! By the way for all you keeping track, the win lose total for the Holy War since 1972 is BYU 26 wins and Utah 14 wins!!!

    _______

    Keeping track? LOL! You are not keeping track of very much.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    June 24, 2013 1:55 p.m.

    @Naval Vet

    Please don't dwell on the past. It's something BYU fans are criticized of all the time....but I guess if the present isn't worth bragging about, you can just brag about the past. Just stick to the Indy-WACer/PAC12/Nobody wants to play BYU insults. Those resonate the most with BYU fans---not talking about the past. Talking about the past with BYU fans will just bring up 1984...and we all know how much Utah fans hate 1984...

    Go Cougs!
    Go Utes! (Except in Provo this September)

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    Blue Cougar--

    "But yes, the Utes "dumped" BYU for Fresno State in their effort to reach a bowl game."

    Please allow me to break-down what in fact took place--

    UTAH strategically-targeted FSU exclusively due to recruiting-advantages. Fertile recruiting-ground, extra-game before family/friends, since 2015 has us at USC/UCLA at home, w/2-YR rotating-schedule still pending, although a game against Stanford would be at home, as well. Besides, FSU is a competitive-team, whereas it's clearly become anti-climatic against byu in terms of the outcome being a W for us, annually. Yaaaaaaaawn!

    BTW, byu absolutely needed Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho and NMSU in 2012, in order to ensure bowl-eligibility, since it's common knowledge that, other than struggling mightily to beat usu by 3-PTS at home, byu doesn't beat good teams, particularly with SJSU misbehaving and not laying-down/playing bottom-feeder as expected when initially scheduled. Instead, they happened to be good, which of course virtually always equates to yet another L for byu!

    FYI--During this current BCS Era, UTAH's 10-1 in bowl games, while byu's struggling at 6-5! Good times!

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 24, 2013 3:16 p.m.

    RE: Naval Vet

    "Remind us all how many of those impressive 10 bowl wins were big name bowls against top competition?"

    And here are some of the Bowl games you left off your 10-year list

    Utah squeaked by WAC powerhouse Fresno State 17-16 in the 1999 Las Vegas Bowl
    Also squeezed by Independent Navy 35-32 in the 2007 Poinsettia Bowl
    They beat Conference USA Tulsa in the 2006 in the Armed Forces Bowl (25-13)
    And don't forget the one you lost was a shell-shacking from another WAC team 26-3 (to BSU in 2010).

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 24, 2013 4:11 p.m.

    "4. Utah shouldn't enhance the strength of BYU's schedule by granting them a BCS game..."

    Yet you laugh and make fun when BYU schedules teams like Virginia, West Virginia, Connecticut, Cincinnati, Ole Miss, etc. You guys have such a double standard. When BYU schedules a "BCS" team with a losing record, it lowers BYU's strength of schedule. However, when BYU schedules Utah (also a "BCS" team with a losing record), it "enhances the strength of BYU's schedule by granting them a BCS game". So, which is it?

    By the way, at least BYU can beat a 2-10 team.

    And since you guys say head-to-head record proves who is better, then BYU is better than Texas and Oklahoma. Thanks for bestowing such honors upon us.

    It also seems to Ute fans as if all football history matters EXCEPT from 1979-2001.

  • Justmythoughts Provo, UT
    June 24, 2013 4:20 p.m.

    @azute

    Yes..it is a good thing Utah dumped BYU to play Freso State and that fertile California recruiting ground.....oh wait ... I guess playing UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford didn't give them enough California exposure......please

  • JohnInSLC Cottonwood Heights, UT
    June 24, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    "Talk to me when you been relevant for 40-50 years"

    NightOwl:

    Okay, I'll play.

    Every time a y "fan" says something like that, they are REALLY talking about half of LaVell's seasons and half of Roscoe's seasons, which they want to compare to Utah's down decade or two and to last season. But when actually looking at 50 year blocks, Utah got to relevance first.

    From 1922 through the 1971 season, BYU's record was 173-235-26, a 42% winning record, 1 conference championship and no bowl games.

    During that same time period, Utah's record was 296-167-21, a 64% winning record, 19 conference championships, and 3 bowl games.

    Yes, that 1984 y team that fell into a national championship is hard for Ute fans to take. But that was the only undefeated season the y has had in its history. Utah has had 4 in since 1922, 2 in the last 10 years.

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    June 24, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    @jimmypage

    Parents basement?

    Pretty close... pretty close...

    But here is the harsh reality for Mr. Jimmypage and the Cougar Nation... whether it comes from Grandma's basement or from Tom Holmoe himself... the truth hurts just the same.

  • worf Mcallen, TX
    June 24, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    When the going gets tough,--the tough gets going!

    Independence is great! Go Cougs!

  • BYU sports on TV in Missouri Lebanon, MO
    June 24, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Until the benefits of playing BYU in November outweigh the risks of losing to BYU in November, November games will be a tough sell. If you look at the other Independent programs apart from Notre Dame, there are few traditionally strong teams playing independents in November. I am sure BYU will get to where the November Games are just as good as earlier in the season. It will just take some time.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 24, 2013 5:12 p.m.

    It's okay with me if we don't play big boys in November... Idaho, Idaho State, Utah, Weber State , Colorado are all okay... We need to just make sure that we win our September and October games...

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    wiscougarfan--

    "And don't forget the one you lost was a shell-shacking from another WAC team 26-3 (to BSU in 2010)."

    2010 BSU was a well-oiled machine led by KM, nothing resembling 2012 BSU, which was breaking-in virtually an entirely brand-new O and had ZERO PK, but certainly resembling 2003 BSU which, BTW, administered a freaking doozy of a beating upon 2-Star byu on 2-Star byu's homefield, 50-12! OUCH!

    2010 BSU's lone defeat was in an OT-thriller by a mere 3-PTS at then #19 UNR, costing them yet another BCS Bowl Game they were this close to it, something 2-Star byu's never even remotely sniffed, and beat the following schools during the season, in addition to JW-less #19 UTAH which, BTW, had just barely secured their annual gimme W over 2-Star byu in their previous game--

    #10 VT back there on The East Coast, 33-30; #24 OSU, 37-24 & usu, 50-14.

    They put-up 42 on 1 OPP/48-59 on 8 OPPs, finishing a dominating overall season at 12-1 & ranked #9 in the final BCS poll [UNR #11/VT #16]. Nice try!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 24, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    @Justmythoughts--

    "@azute

    Yes..it is a good thing Utah dumped BYU to play Freso State and that fertile California recruiting ground.....oh wait ... I guess playing UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford didn't give them enough California exposure......please"

    That breeze you felt fly by overhead....That's correct!

    My relief that a genuine recruiting-guru has FINALLY surfaced on these threads, certainly it's palpable, correct?

    In all honesty, I'm utterly speechless right now....WOW!

  • Missouri loves BYU Lebanon, MO
    June 24, 2013 5:43 p.m.

    The Ute trolls commenting on this article remind me of the guys who love to bring up the fact that they own a corvette..... Even though their corvette is all rusted out, dented up and has the muffler dragging on the ground. They think it is imprssive to say they own a corvette, but everyone else thinks that until they have done something to improve it, their car is just another rustbucket no better than the rusted out cars parked next to it.

    BYU Is headed in the right direction. They have a great schedule, they have players getting national attention for all the right reasons and the fans get to watch the games all over the country. Scheduling November games will be tough we all know it. Not worried about it. I am sure things will work out fine. Go Cougars!

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    June 24, 2013 7:13 p.m.

    Yes, Utah fans, you win. Utah has an easier time scheduling than BYU (it might have something to do with the fact that the U has 9 of their games scheduled for them).

    Here's the difference: PAC 12 schools come to Salt Lake because they HAVE to; anyone who comes to Provo (including PAC 12 schools) does so because they WANT to.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 24, 2013 7:18 p.m.

    Is Missouri bragging about *1984 again?

  • #1 SLC Sports Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 24, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    This merely illustrates why the brethren should do the right thing and just drop the football program at BYU. Conference realignment over the past 3 years has dictated the BYU program is irrelevant, unwanted & undesirable and will likely fade into history and be just like Rice University, Tulane University, a program with a more than half empty big stadium 5-6 Sautrdays each fall. Rick's College gave up athletics completely to become BYU-Idaho, why not "Rexburgize" the football program in Provo at the very least? That very least is it makes no sense whatsoever for a religious school that teaches Sabbath Day Observance to be preparing players for that great Sunday descecrating league known as the NFL.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    June 24, 2013 7:58 p.m.

    THIS IS JUST A SUGGESTION:

    When you talk about what our players do, that is good during a game, please talk about the games that we play against like ND, Wisconsin, Ga Tec. Va., Boise State, Utah, Texas Longhorns, Colorado State, Washington State, and other Nationally respected teams.

    When you talk about what our players do vs Idaho, Idaho State, New Mexico and the like, it really doesn't mean anything and therefore it isn't worth the time to read about it, when you talk about what we do vs. teams that 100 out of the 124 teams can beat.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 24, 2013 9:26 p.m.

    No more late night games in November!
    Wait, no more home games in November?

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    June 24, 2013 10:08 p.m.

    Jeff29
    Draper, UT
    Yes, Utah fans, you win. Utah has an easier time scheduling than BYU (it might have something to do with the fact that the U has 9 of their games scheduled for them).

    Here's the difference: PAC 12 schools come to Salt Lake because they HAVE to; anyone who comes to Provo (including PAC 12 schools) does so because they WANT to.

    __________

    LOL that's priceless!
    Have you seen some of the contract agreements BYU has made lately? BYU schedules 4 for 2 because they HAVE to!!!!

    BYU has to go to South Bend because the HAVE to. ND goes to Provo because they HAVE to. Even though its less times than BYU going to South Bend. Yesserrreee, BYU ends up on the losing end before the game is even played!

    Teams like Idaho St, and their new band of independent buddies WANT to play in Provo. They get a payout and play on TV.

    So you got Texas to play at LES. Big deal. Wyoming got Texas to play in Laramie a few years ago.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 10:36 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    Seriously? BYU fans talking about SOS in the post season?

    During the BCS era, 36% of Utah’s bowl teams were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30.... record 10-1.

    Now your turn, during the BCS era can you tell us why BYU went 6-5? BYU must have played some tough competition?

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 11:00 p.m.

    @Justmythoughts

    @azute

    Yes..it is a good thing Utah dumped BYU to play Freso State and that fertile California recruiting ground.....oh wait ... I guess playing UCLA, USC, Cal, and Stanford didn't give them enough California exposure......please

    -----------

    That's not how recruiting works.

    "By far the most fertile recruiting ground for all schools is California. The current [PAC-10] full round robin means each year both schools in the state of Oregon and the state of Washington will travel to Southern California to play either USC or UCLA and northern California to play Cal or Stanford... Anything that shakes up that arrangement is going to do a lot of harm to the Pacific Northwest schools"

    Utah is following that same model, two road games in California: one in the South and one North.

    The South road game is taken care of each year USC/UCLA.

    The North game was played in 2011 (@Cali) but no games in 2012 and 2013. In 2014 we play @Stanford. From what I could find, in 2015 we have no PAC-12 North Cali game, thus @Fresno State.

  • Razzle2 Bluffdale, UT
    June 24, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    I feel bad about my comment above. I am thrilled to go to Southbend in November.

    I do complain because I am a fan that wants BYU in a big conference. We are certainly deserving of it.

    Funny, though many think any complainers about being Indy must be Utah fans on the BYU article.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 24, 2013 11:59 p.m.

    FACT: During the BCS era, 36% of Utah’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30:

    2003: Utah 17 Southern Miss 0 (AP #28 - final #42)
    2004: Utah 35 Pitt 7 (#19 - #25)
    2005: Utah 38 GTech 10 (#24 - unranked)
    2008: Utah 31 Bama 17 (#4 - #6)
    2010: Utah 3 Boise 26 (#10 - #9)
    2011: Utah 30 GTech 27 (#30 - unranked)

    FACT: Over the same period, 36% of BYU’s bowl opponents were ranked in the AP top 25 and 55% in the AP top 30.

    1999: BYU 3 Marshall 21 (AP #11 - final AP #10)
    2001: BYU 10 Louisville 28 (#23 - #17)
    2005: BYU 28 Cal 35 (#31 - #25)
    2009: BYU 44 OSU 20 (#16 - #27)
    2011: BYU 24 Tulsa 21 (#34 - unranked)
    2012: BYU 23 SDSU 3 (#30 - unranked)

    The difference, Utah went 10-1 (91%) and BYU 6-5 (55%).

    I think that should but the "Bowl SOS" smack to rest.

  • Beck to Harline Provo, UT
    June 25, 2013 2:51 a.m.

    @#1 SLC Sports Fan

    Is that a legitimate argument? Sounds a whole lot like Lucifer's plan to me.....take football away...take the player's agency to choose away...force them to not play on Sundays. That's a very deceptive solution.

    Saying BYU is irrelevant is just plain ignorant any way you spin it, as well.

    Go Cougs!
    Go Utes! (Except in September)

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 25, 2013 8:52 a.m.

    RE: Uteology

    I have no problem conceding that Utah's bowl record over the last fifteen years is amazing. I only posted earlier because you weren't telling the whole story (they've played a few pathetic opponents in addition to a few great ones).

    I don't believe that diminishes BYU's 6-5 (.545) record... which is also very impressive, and certainly a step in the right direction for BYU (whose prior bowl record was pretty horrible). FYI, nearly all PAC 12 teams, as well as teams like Notre Dame, Texas, and Florida have bowl winning percentages less than .545. Both BYU and Utah are on the right track.

    P.S. Uteology, you might not know this, but you're posting on a BYU comment board.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 9:21 a.m.

    Uteology

    Gotta love how Utah fans have to slice and dice records in order to make the Utes SEEM better than they actually are. Bottom line is this, how many BYU and Utah bowl teams were good enough to finish in the AP Top 25?

    BCS era (just to humor our jealous Utah friends)
    BYU 5 of 11 = 45%
    Utah 4 of 11 = 36%

    Overall
    BYU 16 of 31 = 52%
    Utah 5 of 17 = 29%

    Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish.

    I think that should put the actual accomplishments smack to rest.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 25, 2013 9:53 a.m.

    Uteanymous

    "Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish."

    Are you saying that the Utes should abandon their plans to build a SOS wing for their Hall of Fame closet?

    btw,

    Of BYU's 31 bowl opponents, 16 have finished in the AP Top 25, 52%.
    Of Utah's 17 bowl opponents, only 5 have finished in the AP Top 25, 29%.

    BYU has played almost as many AP ranked bowl opponents as Utah has played bowls.

    BYU's SOS wing would dwarf Utah's :)

  • shorts Payson, UT
    June 25, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    @Howard S.
    Taylorsville, UT

    When Utah plays the big boys with a winning record Utah has a losing record. Utah has played more bad BCS teams then BYU. What is your point.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    I don't believe that diminishes BYU's 6-5 (.545) record... which is also very impressive, and certainly a step in the right direction for BYU (whose prior bowl record was pretty horrible).

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    Huh?

    Sorry 5-7 is "bottom feeder" according to BYU fans, so 6-5 is not that much better.

    FYI Texas, Notre Dame, and Florida also don't play in New Mexico type bowls against teams like UTEP.

    Correction: BYU's BCS era Bowl SOS:

    27% vs top 25
    36% vs top 30
    55% vs top 35

    So playing a weaker schedule BYU is 6-5.

    P.S. Wiscougarfan, you might not know this, but in a free society one can post anywhere.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    @Uteanymous: "Success is defined by how you finish, NOT by how your opponents finish."

    True success is defined on how you finish:

    Utah 10-1
    BYU 6-5

    "Bottom line is this, how many BYU and Utah bowl teams were good enough to finish in the AP Top 25?"

    Actually, the bottom line is not all top 25 rankings are equal...

    BCS Era Rankings:

    Utah: 2001 #25, 2004 #4, 2008 #5, 2009 #18
    BYU: 2001 #24, 2006 #16, 2007 #14, 2008 #25, 2009 #12

    Ironically, I don't think there is a single Ute that will print a "Quest" t-shirt for what BYU accomplished during the BCS era.

    Edwards era is over, you guys need to move on. Just like the top in-state recruits have from BYU.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 25, 2013 1:52 p.m.

    RE: Uteology

    "FYI Texas, Notre Dame, and Florida also don't play in New Mexico type bowls against teams like UTEP."

    If you’d like a more appropriate comparison, here’s a list of teams generally ranked close to BYU but that have lower all-time bowl winning percentages: Virginia Tech (.360), Texas Tech (.367), Arkansas (.372), Oregon (.400), Texas A&M (.424). What do all these teams have in common? They’ve all played in at least 25 bowl games, approximately double the number Utah has played in. BYU ranks 26th in all-time bowl appearances while Utah ranks 52nd, right behind Fresno State, Southern Miss, Houston, Baylor, Tulsa, and Virginia.

    Other teams with bowl winning percentage from .667 to 1.000: Toledo, South Florida, Miami (Ohio), Marshall, New Mexico State, Idaho. What do these schools have in common with Utah? Far fewer bowl appearances.

    And say what you will about BYU's "teams like UTEP" bowl opponents, just remember that 5 of the last 8 were PAC 12 teams.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 2:32 p.m.

    @Wiscougarfan

    Other teams with bowl winning percentage from .667 to 1.000: Toledo, South Florida, Miami (Ohio), Marshall, New Mexico State, Idaho. What do these schools have in common with Utah? Far fewer bowl appearances.

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    What do they NOT have in common with Utah?

    * Two top 4 rankings
    * 2 BCS bowl wins (#25 Pitt and #6 Bama)
    * Highest winning percentage vs BCS teams as a mid-major
    * Talent (Utah has more NFL players)
    * Ranked #10 program according to CBS Sports over the last decade

    Number of bowl appearances means nothing if you don't consider the SOS.

    You compared your bowl winning percentage to Texas and Notre Dame and now to Oregon? The Ducks has played about 9 ranked bowl opponents in the BCS era alone and BYU 3.

    I compared Utah and BYU Bowl SOS during the BCS era, with 11 bowls each. The data shows that BYU played a weaker bowl schedule compared to Utah, yet finished a "bottom feeder" 6-5.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 25, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    Uteology

    "True success is defined on how you finish:"

    Unless you live under that crimson bubble on the hill, true success is defined by how successful you are for the ENTIRE season, not just for one game at the end of the season.

    A Top 25 team losing to an even better Top 25 team in a bowl is still MUCH BETTER than a mediocre unranked team beating another mediocre unranked team in a bowl.

    All Top 25 Rankings are BETTER than being unranked.

    A quest is a goal, not an accomplishment.

    There's nothing wrong with putting a goal on a t-shirt. BYU's unrealized quest still resulted in a #25/#21 10-3 season that was better than 11 of Utah's 15 BCS era seasons.

    Utah does have two Top 10 finishes during the BCS era, but BYU has three Top 15 finishes, and leads Utah 5-4 in total Top 25 finishes.

    2008 #2/#4 Utah
    2004 #4/#5 Utah
    2009 #12/#12 BYU
    2007 #14/#15 BYU
    2006 #16/#15 BYU
    2009 #18/#18 Utah
    2003 #21/#21 Utah
    2008 #25/#21 BYU
    2001 #25/#24 BYU

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    June 25, 2013 6:34 p.m.

    @Snack
    There's nothing wrong with putting a goal on a t-shirt. BYU's unrealized quest still resulted in a #25/#21 10-3 season that was better than 11 of Utah's 15 BCS era seasons.

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    Preseason goals on t-shirts is as cool as celebrating a 1-0 start at airports:

    "PROVO — People danced in the streets. They hugged perfect strangers. They lit off fireworks. And in general, they celebrated and celebrated and celebrated."

    Being exposed as a BCS fraud by #7 TCU and #2 Utah is one thing but getting exposed by a 7-5 Arizona in your own bowl game is priceless. I'm willing to bet that 2008 Cougar team would have been OWNED by 12 of the last 15 Ute teams.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    June 26, 2013 11:11 a.m.

    Great news today regarding the scheduling of November games... two future November games against USC! Will Utah ever get the chance to play SC in November? I doubt it, that time is reserved for rivalry games so they'll have to continue playing WSU and Colorado in November. Go Cougs!

  • Zoniezoobie Mesa, AZ
    June 28, 2013 6:05 a.m.

    Trojans sign up their newest rival, against the premise of this article. Maybe the Cougs will make the Coliseum their home away from home if talks with the Christmas Bowl continue.