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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    I LOVE our Pac 12 Conference of Champion money!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 2:06 p.m.

    The only people who don't like this announcement follow WCC/WAC basketball.

    LOL

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    LK definately has the program headed in the right direction. This facility will only help him re-establish Utah as the states top dog in basketball.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 18, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Awesome! This is great news. The U will now be ranked #1 just by this announcement alone! Seriously though, this is great news on so many levels. Being a member of the PAC-12 has great benefits that are starting to come forth. Let's just hope that they can put wins together.

    Go UTES!!

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 18, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    It doesn't matter how fancy your parking garage is if all you have to put in it is a rusted-out beater that is long since past its prime.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 18, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    Good news for Coach K and staff. Keep that program moving forward!!

    Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 5:29 p.m.

    Let's just give Utah the PAC 11+U championship NOW. No need to play out the season.
    Good facilities does not a champion make.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 18, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    Fashion and Folks - thanks for dropping by and showing your love and support for all things Utah. We enjoy all comments and support from our friends down south.

    Go Utes!!

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    June 18, 2013 6:59 p.m.

    VegasUte

    A little touchy aren't we?

    There was nothing in Fashion's comment that said anything about Utah or BYU.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 18, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    But seriously folks,

    Funny, I don't see anyone claiming this facility will deliver a Conf championship. What are you reading?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    Fashion Police thought this was an article about that 1984 *trophy.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 19, 2013 9:03 a.m.

    The table is set. Good coach, great facilities, better athletes. Anything short of a NCAA tournament bid will be disapointing this year. An NIT bid at the very least.

    GO UTES!

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    U90,
    I think that Seriously is just giving the Utah fans some of their own Chris B medicine.

  • DrUte Woods Cross, UT
    June 19, 2013 9:38 a.m.

    Certainly a significant announcement; coaching, academics, facilities, playing time, & overall program success/notoriety have always been significant factors in recruiting....

    And this is indeed what the influx of PAC12 $$ is all about.

    We all know the usual U naysayers will be out no matter the weather; silly pronouncements about future failures are certainly specious --- no one can foretell the future, and we all know no program is either permanently successful or unsuccessful.

    But what really is important here is that the U continues to take advantage of their "new" PAC12 membership and finances, assisting not only the football & basketball programs, but other sports venues as well.

    So no matter the naysayers, clearly the U has taken a dramatic step forward by joining the PAC12, and here we see another example of the benefits of PAC12 membership.

    Congrats to Coach K & Dr. Hill for this excellent development, Great News!!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 19, 2013 10:15 a.m.

    ekute is just deflecting knowing deep down what a train wreck the rundown Utes have become.

    The vast sea of empty red chairs in the HC are a stark reminder - see photos of just about any game in the HC in the last 5 years.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    PAC man "is just deflecting knowing deep down" that the Runnin' Utes are on the verge of surpassing byu just like we did in football. The jealous angst and envy is palpable in happy valley. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    June 19, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Couldn't agree more with Chris B's assessment that it's great to have PAC 12 money. The challenge of all this upgrading is that the pressure to deliver is growing by the day and by the dollar. Failure in the weakling Indy/WAC/WCC world is much less visable than failure in the so called "conference of champions". Fortunately most Utes and their fans are not as silly and obnoxious as the Chris B's of the world, but regardless it's time to get a clue that results are what matters. You accomplish nothing by merely belonging, and in fact look worse when there are no results.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 19, 2013 11:03 a.m.

    So when did this become a Utah-BYU discussion? Lol, it always turns out that way with rivals. I appreciate some of the civility displayed herein. Having said that, let me ask this question to the Y fans who are so negative about this announcement. How will this not help the Utes in recruiting and athletic performance? Its hard to argue that Larry isn't a good coach so there must be some other reason. Help me understand.

    Go UTES!!

  • Redute365 SLC, UT
    June 19, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Cant wait to see the new facility ! Just like football. We own this state ! GO UTES !!

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    June 19, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    ekute

    What would BYU fans have to be "jealous" of?

    A basketball program that BYU has OWNED since the last remnants of the Majerus era left (7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overall), an arena that only draws 5,000 warm bodies on a good night, or a basketball practice facility, that, just like BYU's, is still in the planning stages?

    Gotta laugh at how delusional the kids on the hill have become thinking that simply being in the PAC 12 magically made U a PAC 12 caliber program.

    The truth is, U wouldn't have done any better in the MWC the last two years, and very likely, worse.

    Get over yourselves. The rest of us are laughing at the bottom-dwelling angst the permeates the hill.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    @PAC man

    Your jealous of our Pac12 membership and head to head domination of byu in football.

    Post all the stats you want...I didn't even look at them. Pretending that you don't care because you have a bigger stadium and because your rugby and soccer teams were pretty good is hilarious. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Oh, and right now you're jealous of our upcoming upgrades to our basketball facilities.

    Go Utes.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    Money does not equate to a good program and wins. Look at WSU. They have been in the PAC 11+U for many years and they still sit at the bottom of the conference with the Utes.
    Nice try though.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    @Down under

    Pac12 money does equate to hate and envy from the byu" fans as they worry about the future of their own programs.

    Go Utes.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 12:50 p.m.

    @PAC man

    The Runnin' Utes of done better than byu in the wcc tournament. "Get over yourselves"

    Go Utes.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 19, 2013 1:43 p.m.

    PAC Man said:

    "A basketball program that BYU has OWNED since the last remnants of the Majerus era left (7 in a row, 11 of the last 12, 149-145 overall),"
    -------
    Come on, we both know that head to head play means absolutely nothing. Oh wait, that's only for football, and only, when you are a BYU fan hating on Utah. You can't have it both ways, but nice try!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:44 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Unfortunately for U, it's not just head-to-head in basketball, it's overall superiority across the board in record and accomplishments during the Dave Rose era:

    BYU 209-66(76%), 6 NCAAs(4-6), 2 NITs(3-2), 4 conference championships, 8 straight 20+ win seasons, 12 of 15 head-to-head

    Utah 116-137(46%), 1 NCAA(0-1), 1 conference championship, 1 20+ win season, 6 losing seasons, 3 of 15 head-to-head

    Unlike U, BYU isn't forced to rely entirely on head-to-head, because BYU is clearly superior overall, in football, basketball, baseball, and just about every other sport except women's gymnastics.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 19, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    U's Little Brother

    Sorry guy, but little brothers don't lose to big brothers 3 years in a row and 8 of 11. I also noticed how you left out final 4 and sweet 16 apperances, not to mention BCS bowls. Pretty cool how you restrict it to the time frame that fits your agenda. I've never seen that one before. I also find it odd that you would be on a Utah article, trying to compare your program to ours? I guess that really says it all. Envy and jelousy is a sad, sad thing.

  • scott Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    The basketball program that had all of those final 4 and sweet 16 appearances no longer exists, and the football program that appeared in 2 bcs games, has never won a single national award of any kind and only has 5 AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but a relic of the past or a flash in the pan is nothing to be jealous of.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    June 19, 2013 5:46 p.m.

    ekute

    "Your jealous of our Pac12 membership..."

    Is that what they teach in "grammar" school at the U?

    Jealous only because BYU is much more deserving of membership and would be much more competitive in the PAC 12 than the Utes will ever be.

    As far as head-to-head, I'd much rather be disappointed about two wasted opportunities for wins in the last three years, than to spend bowl week watching my rival playing another exciting bowl game, while the only things I have to be excited about are my couch potato chips.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    @drute

    "silly pronouncements about future failures are certainly specious"

    So are vastly sillier pronouncements of future success, especially when it didn't happen and doesn't appear to be about to happen.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 19, 2013 5:53 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    Actually the hypocrisy, as usual, is yours. You want to claim utah is superior in football because of head to head and despite worse records, lower rankings, etc.

    Yet you also want to claim utah basketball superiority despite head to head inferiority and for that matter inferiority in everything else that matters over the last decade.

    I'll give you utah "fans" credit for one thing though, you sure are embarrassed by yourselves despite how much you really should be.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 19, 2013 7:25 p.m.

    Scott

    And that byU "legacy" program that had all those national awards and the NC back in the 80's no longer exists either. Furthermore, the byu bball program has really never done a thing..

    Oh right, that Nat Player of Year you had a couple years ago is riding the pine in Sac town.

    My bad.

  • Civil Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 9:44 p.m.

    All that money -- and none of it going to athletes. Studies STILL show that a full-ride falls an average of $3,000 per athlete short of paying for an athlete's BASIC needs, AND athletes are restricted in how much they can earn at a job. (While not just coaches, but FIRED coaches make millions.)

    Isn't the NCAA wonderful!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    June 19, 2013 9:47 p.m.

    utahcountyute

    Regardless of Jimmer's NBA success, he'll forever be Consensus National Player of the Year for 2011 and BYU fans will always remember his last game in the HC where he single-handedly destroyed the Utes. Jimmer just needs the right team and coach to take advantage of his skill set.

    BYU has played in 27 NCAA tournaments, just like the Utes, but unlike that sorry train wreck on the hill, playing in the NCAA is something that's still commonplace for BYU.

    Utah football is nothing more than a flash-in-the-pan program that had a couple of great seasons in 2004 and 2008, but has never won a single national team or player award of any kind:

    0 National Championships
    0 Heisman Trophies
    0 Doak Walker Awards
    0 Outland Trophies
    0 Davey O'Brien Awards
    0 Sammy Baugh Trophies
    0 National Hall of Fame Players

    The Utes have only managed 5 AP Top 25 finishes in their entire history and have only won 6 conference championships in the last 60 years.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    June 19, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    A nice article on the Utes announcing a beautiful $24 million basketball facility. What I don't understand is why this generates so much jealousy and hate from the BYU fan base.

    Sad times for our younger brothers down south.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 19, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    0 Major Conference memberships
    0 BCS Appearances
    0 Wins in the wcc tournament last season. lol.
    0 #1 Picks in the NBA
    0 #1 Picks in the NFL
    0 Wins vs Utes football the last 3 years
    0 Class from the "fans" of a school that holds their Student Athletes to a "Higher Standard"

    Go Utes.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 20, 2013 7:06 a.m.

    muss

    Funny you bring that up, because byU has...

    No NC
    No Final 4 appearances
    No overall #1 NBA pick
    No overall #1 NFL pick
    No BCS bowl wins
    and No Pac 12 membership

    Go Utes!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 7:32 a.m.

    Scott

    Did you watch the semi-finals of the PAC 12 basketball tourney? If you are not jealous, then why the continued atempt to compare your program to Utah's? It's really quite sad when you think about it. Two programs heading in differen't directions. One at the Big boys table, and the other wandering aimlessly for a home.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    @ GoRed

    Jealousy, envy, agnst, paranoid and insecure all come to mind. It must be hard to accept the fact that Utah is moving on with the power conferences and power teams in the country, while BYU is on the outside looking in. That's Karma!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 20, 2013 7:41 a.m.

    gored

    "A nice article on the Utes announcing a beautiful $24 million basketball facility. What I don't understand is why this generates so much jealousy and hate from the BYU fan base.

    Sad times for our younger brothers down south."

    LOL at the arrogance and hypocrisy of your entire post.

    If you're confused about the tone of this discussion, talk to Utah's resident BYU hater, who began the discussion, as usual, taking jabs at BYU:

    "I LOVE our Pac 12 Conference of Champion money! The only people who don't like this announcement follow WCC/WAC basketball."

    The kids on the hill are so obsessed with their big brother down south, that they can't even discuss "plans" to build a new basketball practice facility at the U without dragging BYU into their discussion.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 20, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    utahcountyute

    Nothing funny about it since Utah has...

    No NC in football or basketball
    No starters on an NBA championship team
    No NFL regular season or Super Bowl MVP's
    No meaningful football team or player accomplishments worthy of national recognition
    Bottom-feeder status in a BCS conference (sharing that glorious distinction with teams like WSU, Indiana, Vanderbilt, Duke, Iowa State, and in a couple of year, Rutgers and Maryland)

    Go Cougars!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    June 20, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    "It must be hard to accept the fact that Utah is moving on with the power conferences and power teams in the country, while BYU is on the outside looking in."

    Remind us who was on the outside looking in during bowl week last week and who has been on the outside looking in at the NCAA tournament for most of the last decade.

    The truth is, being a bottom-dweller in EVERY men's sport in the PAC 12 is starting to take its toll on the kids on the hill. You're all talk, but no walk, when it comes to being relevant in your own conference, let alone on the national scene.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    Hmmm, it looks like you forgot to mention a few items; let me help:

    No Final 4 appearances
    No BCS Bowls
    No Number 1 over all draft picks in the NFL
    No Number 1 over all draft picks in the NBA
    No top 10 rankings in the BCS era
    No college football coach of the year awards in the BCS era.
    No chance of playing a team from a power/BCS conference in a bowl game.
    No wins vs. Utha in football over the last 3 years.
    Fewer players in the NFL then Utah.
    Mid major status in, well no conference, since none will take them. Wandering aimlessly, the nomad of college sports. (sharing the glorious distinction with teams like Idaho, Army, Navy, and New Mexico State)

    GO UTES
    >----;>

    Go Utes

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 8:45 a.m.

    It's one thing to talk the talk, it's another to walk the walk. let's just cut to the chase; let's dicsuss Utah vs. BYU, head to head in football!

    Quick, to the spin cycle.

    Again, why are you on a thread regarding Utah's upgraded sport facilities, comparing your program to ours? I also love how 1-2 years dictates Utah's entire past, present, and future.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 20, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    @utahcntyute

    BYU does have a Football National Championship, perhaps you were talking about basketball? The thing is utah doesn't have a National Championship in either sport. The ncaa tourney chapmionship utah basketball has came when that tourney was the #2 tourney and utah had already lost in the much larger and much more prestigious NIT. Fail. LOL!

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    June 20, 2013 11:53 a.m.

    Spokane Ute

    Remind us how many championship rings your #1 NFL and NBA draft picks have won as starters, COMBINED!

    It's laughable how Utah fans have to carefully parse eras in order to discuss football and basketball accomplishments at the U.

    NOTHING before 2004 counts in football (even during the "BCS era") and NOTHING since 2005 counts in basketball (at least until Utah's basketball team returns from the dead).

    1984 and 1996 are ancient history in football, but 1944 and 1998 are like yesterday in basketball.

    It's interesting that Utah's only Hall of Fame player or coach came from an era in which Utah "dominated" Rocky Mountain and Skyline conference teams that weren't even on the same level as Big Sky teams of today, which is precisely why even undefeated Utah teams of that era never finished in the final national rankings.

  • Ute66 Centerville, UT
    June 20, 2013 12:01 p.m.

    Duckhunter should probably brush up on his history. The 1944 Utes beat NIT champion St. John's in a game played a few days after the NCAA tournament. Also, Utah won the NIT in 1947, so either way, the Utes have some sort of championship. By the way, 37 year old Andre Miller is better than Jimmer today, and better than he ever will be, college or pro. Andre is 10th all time in assists in the NBA, and was a great college player for 4 years.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 20, 2013 12:51 p.m.

    I've seen the impact of a similar such facility's had down here at ASU and words don't describe my excitement for ours! Combined with where our program is today from the utter disaster Coach LK inherited and the way we concluded this last season, continually showing improvement throughout the season, the future looks awfully bright!

    The mere fact that they're on even here with their typically regurgitated spin, while fully engaged in wishful-thinking, in the first place, tells me the TDS fanbase is acutely aware of the same! Go UTES!

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 1:41 p.m.

    LOTR

    Umm, Taklin Sports put together the select list to begin this little debate. It's easy to spin and hype your program any way you want to. Also, thanks letting us know what's ancient history and yesterday. Great insight. Sheeesh!

  • Truth Machine Salt Lake City, UT
    June 20, 2013 1:50 p.m.

    Ute66

    "Duckhunter should probably brush up on his history. The 1944 Utes beat NIT champion St. John's in a game played a few days after the NCAA tournament."

    You should check your facts.

    The Utes beat St. Johns in a meaningless exhibition game that wasn't recognized by anybody as an official national championship game.

    In fact, the Helms Athletic Foundation (which began selecting national champions in 1936 and was the only such national organization of the day), didn't recognize either team as the national champion. Helms selected Army(15-0) as the 1944 national champion.

    It's almost comical that a program that only beat TWO college teams during the entire regular season, would try to claim that they won a national championship in 1944 because they won the 2nd rate tournament of the day, and the most water-downed NCAA tournament in history, and then won a meaningless exhibition game.

    btw, Utah's 6-1 record in 1944 wouldn't even get them an invitation to a conference tournament today.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 20, 2013 2:20 p.m.

    Dear Duck, my old friend.

    My grandfather, who passed a year and a half ago played on the 1947 NIT at madison square garden. The NIT, at the time, was the more prestigious game to be played in collge basketball. Please do not discredit the U's success. Please be mindful as well of the 1984 NCAA Football trophy you esteem so greatly, as you may recall, they beat a 6-5 (later 6-6) team to be given/awarded this title. Michigan wasn't even the best team in their conference. Thus, be careful throwing stones while in a glass house.

    Go UTES!!

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    June 20, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Spokane Ute

    I didn't see anybody refute TalkinSports list:

    0 National Championships
    0 Heisman Trophies
    0 Doak Walker Awards
    0 Outland Trophies
    0 Davey O'Brien Awards
    0 Sammy Baugh Trophies
    0 National Hall of Fame Players

    In fact, none of the lists offered as rebuttals included a single national award of any kind awarded to the Utes in either football or basketball.

    As much as Utah fans would like to pretend that they are, because they have nothing else to offer, #1 draft picks, 2nd place finishes, BCS conference invitations, Final Four appearances, and BCS bowl wins are NOT national awards.

    Keep searching; there might still be some ancient trophy hidden in Utah's trophy case that is so covered in dust that it has long since been forgotten - doubtful, but maybe there's a shred of hope there somewhere.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 20, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    @wookie

    Congratulations? It still doesn't change the fact it wasn't a national championship. I'm sure your grandfather came to grips with that, oh about 66 years ago. It is probably time the rest of utah fandom does as well. How pointing out the truth is "throwing stones" is something you're going to have to help me understand I suppose.

    Oh by the way I had a great time in Omaha last week watching my son play baseball and taking in some CWS games.

    Your Dear, old friend Duckhunter :)

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 20, 2013 2:46 p.m.

    Wookie

    BYU's 1951 NIT winning team (28-9) was every bit as successful as Utah's 1947 NIT champion (19-5), but neither was recognized as a national champion. BYU won the Skyline Conference championship in 1951. Utah finished 2nd in the Skyline Conference in 1947.

    BYU's 1984 football team, however, was recognized by a consensus of all five major national selecting organizations as the official 1984 national champion. Just because BYU was forced to play Michigan in the Holiday Bowl, after Washington and Nebraska both rejected invitations to play the #1-ranked team, doesn't mean BYU was undeserving of their national championship.

    Michigan, by the way, would have played in the Rose Bowl if they'd beaten Ohio State in their regular season finale.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    June 20, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    In fact, none of the lists offered as rebuttals included a single national award of any kind awarded to the Utes in either football or basketball.

    ------
    Actually Kyle Whittingham was the 2008 National Coach of the Year. You may want to do a little reseach prior to posting in the future.

    Ummm, nobody refuted my list either.

    Let's see your Sugar Bowl Trophy Mr. Helper.

    Boy was my face Red!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 20, 2013 3:02 p.m.

    @azute

    "I've seen the impact of a similar such facility's had down here at ASU"

    Would you mind enlightening us as to what those impacts have been? They sure haven't been on the field or court where, other than beating up on utah, asu remains incredibly mediocre in both sports year after year after year. Has the impact been that they look nice and it gives an extra janitor or two a job?

  • Duckhunter "fan" Centerville, UT
    June 20, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    @Truthmachine:

    You should also look at your facts. The reason Utah only played 2 college teams is because many young men were involved in a little conflict called World War II. Don't be fooled by the names of the teams Utah played. They were comprised of ex college players, probably better than most college teams of the day. Nobody, and I mean nobody recognizes the Helms foundation, except BYU fans, because they kind of like things that are decided by committees and media outlets, rather than things won on the field or court. If you want to compare Utah and BYU basketball historically, you will lose every time. I still haven't heard anybody argue against my Andre Miller comment. Enjoy Game 7 of the NBA finals tonight, I'm rooting for the Spurs, but who knows, maybe if they lose the Helms Foundation might name them champions anyway! I love my new screen name!

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 20, 2013 3:59 p.m.

    Rockwell, do you not see the flaw in your logic? Neither team wanted to play BYU as neither team had much respect for the 1984 BYU team. Old articles, outside the state of Utah, and here in Nebraska clearly ridiculed the selection and award of the NC to byu. This was based upon awarding it to them after beating a team that went 6-5 and finished 3rd in their conference. In all likelihood you wont see your illogic and will continue to boost this NC as the proof of your relevancy. I on the otherhand think byu has more relevancy in the modern BCS era even with no invite. Why? because of your success. I also admire coach Bronco and his ethics and professionalism.

    Duck, the 1947 NIT championship was the National Title back in 1947. If you refute this my friend, you will need to review now the NIT and NCAA operated back then. Things have changed but their relevancy back in 1947 hasn't. Their title was and is legit with NO considerations given otherwise. Go check your facts and understanding and then we can carry on an intelligent conversation.

    Go UTES!!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 20, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Congrats on the new facility, but I have to comment on some unreasonable expectations.

    @Spokane Ute - "The table is set. Good coach, great facilities, better athletes. Anything short of a NCAA tournament bid will be disapointing this year."

    Expect to be disappointed. There is no way Utah goes to NCAA this year, and there is a good chance the team will be down from last year, after losing four key players.

    Coach Kryst seems to be moving the program in the right direction, but Years 1 and 2 were truly maintenance - just trying to get some players on the court to hold the program together. 2013 / 2014 truly looks like the first year of rebuilding where U will not lose most of the key contributors after the season. Loveridge's senior season will be the Utes first chance at the NCAA and even then it will be tough sledding, but should at least be a 20 win season.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 20, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    @ekute - "Pac12 money does equate to hate and envy from the byu" fans as they worry about the future of their own programs."

    Emery, Mika, Haws, Chatman, Calvert, Hartsock, Nixon, Worthington and Shaw in the pipeline. Legit shot at Chapman and Dastrup. The best coach in the West is in Provo. Do U really think I'm worried about the future?

    U on the other hand lost four of your top six players. That's got to have Kryst worrying.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 20, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    Duck et al,

    RE: Utah's 1947 NIT National Championship team....

    Until 1949 the NIT winner was crowned the National Champ. Then in 1949-50 there was a game fixing scandal in the NIT and from that point on all the best teams participated in the NCAA tournament and that became the new venue for determining the NC. So Utah's 1944 NCAA tournament victory was not an NC but the 1947 NIT was.

    The Helms Foundation response is so ridiculous I'm surprised some of you continue using it. Please reference any support that would substantiate either the NIT or NCAA recognized the helms foundations as the final authority on hoops NCs.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 20, 2013 4:37 p.m.

    @CFIT "Expect to be disappointed..... there is a good chance the team will be down from last year, after losing four key players"

    We're supposed to listen to you because of your infinite knowledge of the game? Didn't you guarantee that Haws, Carlino and Davies would average 60 pts per game for BYU last year? The reality is that they averaged 50 pts per game. In the last 30 years, can you name one college team that's had 3 players average 60? No, you can't.

    Now that we've established you don't understand basketball as well as you think you do, lets talk about the 4 key players Utah is losing. Who are they? Dubois, Washburn and who else? If you're talking about 5 ppt Dean or 3 ppg Martin, I don't think they will be too tough to replace.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 20, 2013 4:53 p.m.

    @ CFIT "Emery, Mika, Haws, Chatman, Calvert, Hartsock, Nixon, Worthington and Shaw in the pipeline. Legit shot at Chapman and Dastrup. The best coach in the West is in Provo. Do U really think I'm worried about the future?"

    So you're telling us Dave Rose is a better coach than Mark Few... the guy that built Gonzaga from nothing to a mainstay in the NCAA tourney. Once again my friend, you don't know basketball like you think you do. I could go on, but will save you from more embarrassment.

    Regarding the list of recruits, you have no idea how good those guys are, that's just a list of names on paper at this point. Some of the most hyped players turn out to be nothing, while players with lower expectations excel. Just to use an example from your own back yard, Jimmer Fredette was ranked below Chris Collinsworth in BYU's 07 recruiting class. The truth is CFIT you simply don't know if those players are any good or not.

  • PAC 10.2 Doormat Springville, UT
    June 20, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    A new practice facility won't change a thing.

    It will be a gross waste of money. Give the money to the Huntsman Center.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 20, 2013 6:56 p.m.

    U90

    "The truth is CFIT you simply don't know if those players are any good or not."

    The core group of players coming to BYU within the next four years just won the high school National Championship playing against the best high school teams in the country.

    If that's not proof enough for U of just how good those players are, then you're hopelessly blinded by your crimson goggles.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 20, 2013 7:19 p.m.

    @Wookie: "the 1947 NIT championship was the National Title back in 1947"

    It was an NIT championship, which is an accomplishment, but not a national championship.

    Here are the Helms Athletic Foundation National Champions for 1944, 1947 and 1951.

    1944 Army(15-0), not Utah(6-1)
    1947 Holy Cross(27-3), not Utah(19-5)
    1951 Kentucky(32-2), not BYU(28-9)

    As the only neutral, national organization of the day, Helms credibility in selecting the true national champion is much more valid than either the NCAA or NIT officials of the day, who are both obviously biased toward the winners of their particular tournaments.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 20, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    Deep Blue,

    Keep dreaming and then provide, proof, back-up, references and sources on the helms foundation.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    June 20, 2013 8:47 p.m.

    Deep Blue,

    Like I said, you have no idea how any of those guys will pan out until they actually get to the college level. Don't try to dispute it.... you know it's true. Chris Burgess and Pearl Washington are great examples.

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 20, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    The bottom line....

    There is a banner in the HC that says....University of Utah--1944 NCAA Champions. Exactly like Louisville for 2013.

    These facilities will be fitting for the legacy basketball program it is.

    Go Utes!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 20, 2013 10:45 p.m.

    U 90

    "you have no idea how any of those guys will pan out until they actually get to the college level"

    Yet Utah fans are constantly making bold predictions about how successful the Utes are going to be based on nothing but Utah's supposedly superior recruits.

    And now, they've extended that narrative even further to making bold predictions about how merely building better facilities is going to dramatically improve their recruiting, and hence, their on field/court success.

    Pot meet kettle.

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 20, 2013 11:03 p.m.

    So meetings about the university’s new $24 million men’s and women’s basketball practice complex began after an architect was hired. With no real plans and only a concept of what Utah wants, somebody at the U was clever enough to figure out what it was going to cost.

    hmmmm

  • utahcountyute Cedar Hills, UT
    June 21, 2013 6:24 a.m.

    Wookie, Rubber duckie and the rest

    Bottom line....

    The Utes have a banner hanging in the HC that says "1944 NCAA Champions" exactly like the one hanging in Louisville's gym from this past year.

    Along with the other finals(98), Final 4 appearances, Elite 8 and the many many Sweet 16's, the Utes are the "legacy" bball program in the state of Utah. This is not even arguable.

    Go Utes!

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 21, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    utahcountyute

    "There is a banner in the HC that says....University of Utah--1944 NCAA Champions. Exactly like Louisville for 2013."

    And there are TWO banners hanging in the Marriott Center that say Brigham Young University 1951 and 1966 NIT Champions, exactly like Long Island University's 1939 NIT National Championship Banner.

    Unfortunately for Utah 1944 and 1947, and BYU 1951 and 1966, their banners only represent tournament championships, not national championships.

    Times change and the NCAA champions of the late 1930's and early 1940's weren't the defacto national champions like they are today.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    June 21, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    deepblue--

    Montverde Academy, FL was the H.S. NC....Nice try.

    just the fax--

    In no way, whatsoever, did you even remotely refute utahcountyUTE....Hysterical! Nice try.

  • Mike Johnson Stafford, VA
    June 21, 2013 8:51 p.m.

    PAC Man, Utah's attendance figures for basketball are indeed way down from where they were for decades, but you should at least quote them correctly. Utah was 4th in the PAC-12 this past season:

    Arizona13,602
    Washington8785
    California8532
    Utah8394
    Colorado7804
    Oregon7630
    UCLA6353
    Arizona State5411
    Oregon State4991
    Stanford4891
    Washington State4749
    Southern California3970

    I don't think Utah has had as few as 5000 fans (or even 6000) at a game in many decades.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    June 21, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    Mike Johnson

    Utah's reported "paid" attendance may have been 8394, but actual warm bodies in attendance wasn't even close, more like about 5,000.

    HC capacity is about 15,000. Review photos of just about every game this past season and you'll notice that about half of the seats in the lower bowl are empty as are most of the seats in the upper bowl.

    Most of those empty seats in the lower bowl are owned by long-time season ticket holders who are only holding onto their season tickets in hopes that the Utes will some day have a basketball team again. In the meantime, they have better things to do than waste their time watching the Utes lose to nearly every team with a pulse.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 21, 2013 10:28 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Montverde Academy, FL was the H.S."

    Sorry, but you've been badly misinformed.

    MaxPreps declared Lone Peak High School the High School National Champions for 2013

    Final MaxPreps Rankings

    1 Lone Peak (Highland, UT)
    2 Mater Dei (Santa Ana, CA)
    3 Montverde Academy (Montverde, FL)
    4 Etiwanda (CA)
    5 Carmel (IN)
    6 Simeon (Chicago, IL)

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    June 21, 2013 10:40 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    In no way can you prove that a team that only beat TWO college teams during the regular season, lost in the opening round of the NIT, won the 2nd rate tournament of the day, finished 6-1 overall, and then won a meaningless exhibition game that was only played as a charity event, was the 1944 national champion.

    The only thing the Utes won in 1944 was the most watered-down NCAA tournament in history after most of the teams in the country had suspended their basketball programs and the few remaining teams consisted of Freshmen and a few Sophomores because everybody else was busy fighting a world war.

    The Helms Athletic Foundation didn't recognize either the NIT or NCAA tournament winner as the national champion, but instead selected Army(15-0) as the 1944 National Champion.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    June 22, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    Funny how a building brings us a together. Let's just destroy it before it destroys us.

    Signed, BYU's trophy case bigger than anyone's in the region.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 22, 2013 7:42 p.m.

    Great to see that the BB team is getting a fabulous new facility. This will help the program develop back to the success we had previously and be a nice drawing card to show recruits.

    Regarding all the negative comments from the tds fans, I going to ignore some easy responses. Nothing in the article mentioned a team from Provo, Logan, or Ogden. If you can't get to sleep at night without beating your chest about supposed superiority that is you demon to slay, not mine.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 22, 2013 8:01 p.m.

    @wookie

    No the NIT wasn't the national championship and it is interesting that you make that claim while not one source with the ncaa or the university of utah does. Hmmmmm.....

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    June 22, 2013 9:19 p.m.

    CO Ute

    Talk is cheap. So far the Utes don't even have architectural drawings of their new practice facility, let alone plans for how to pay for it.

    Call us when it's actually finished; until then, it's just like your expanded football stadium - nothing but a pipe dream.