Is there any question who was the best college football coach in the state of
Utah the past 5 years? I think top Utah HS players committing to Wisconsin only
affirms what we already know. Gary Andersen did more and got more out of his
players than any other coach in the state during his tenure here.
Great choice to attend a prestigious BCS program.We would have liked
to have you, but with Chase Hansen among others in our pipeline, you will likely
get more opportunity at playing time elsewhere.After Whittinham and
other dropped the ball the last couple years at the QB position, we're
pretty stocked there for now.Good luck kid,fellow BCS
program University of Utah Utes
This is just the beginning of recruits that Gary Anderson is going to steal from
the Utah Schools. I respect him as a coach but wish he would stay off our turf
so Utah would have a chance to compete in the Pac-12.
We're thrilled to have you Austin. Welcome to Badger nation!
Yeah Chrissy B.Its true that BYU wanted Chase Hansen very bad, BUT
only as LB because he wouldn't have be able to compete in a passing offense
with the likes of Mangum and Co. I was surprised Chase didn't seriously
consider Air Force or Navy seeing that he had an uncanny ability to run the
ball. Chase is a great athlete- I for one just won't be
surprised if we see him playing on the defensive side of the ball when he
returns from his mission.
Way to make a great decision kid. If you were thinking about USU when he was
there it may not have been as good for you. You have a shot to be on a national
championship team now. If you went to USU you'd only have a shot to be on
a team that wins the Potato Bowl. I think we all know which is the better
Chris BYou must be lost this article has nothing to do with BYU! Why are
you reading and commenting on this article? By the way haven't you heard
the news, the BCS is dead!!! It has been replaced!!! I thought only BYU fans
lived in the past!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!
Wisconsin is a pretty good fit for this kid. Good Dual-Threat Quarterback too,
can't wait to see what numbers he puts up the next 2 years.
Maybe when we beat Wisconsin this year he'll change his mind to the join
the best PROGRAM in the state of UTAH.LOLGO COUGS
he should do well at Wisconsin. Long live the BCS, well at least for this
year. Next year we will have to come up with something new for Chris to crow
Even though Andersen has moved on to the BIG 10, he is coming in and stealing
recruits. Somebody's got to put an end to that. Pronto.Obviously, Utah being in a "big boy" conference isn't enough and
all the "exposure" BYU gets, its "national legacy brand," and
its "internationally-renowned fanbase" isn't cutting the muster,
I seriously wonder what all the Wisconsin fans over there think of Andersen
bringing in Utah players. From what I've heard and read, most BCS-level
programs dont consider Utah HS recruits anywhere near their level. Not that
these 2 are not good enough, I think they are, but I wonder what fans in
Wisconsin are thinking
I must be lost here, and I NEVER defend Chris B, but I don't see any
mention of byU in his post. Yet, Gamer and Reno post as if he did. Is that a
conditioned response? Now that I've said that, his next post will probably
be a poke directly at byU.I wish the kid luck. We'll see over
the next two years whether or not this was a good pickup by GA. Hopefully,
he'll be as good as advertised.Go Utes!!
VegasUteI was poking fun at Chris B because he is usually the very first
to comment on any article that has even the remotest chance of being about BYU
directly or him making it about BYU and giving him a chance to bash them!!! So
my comment was with my tongue firmly planted in my cheek!!! I am a Cougar fan
first but have family and friends that like and support the Utes so I root for
them except when they play BYU!!!Go Cougs!!!GO Utes!!!
VegasUte"must be lost here, and I NEVER defend Chris B, but I
don't see any mention of BYU in his post."It's quite
obvious to anyone who's seen Chris B.'s endless spamming of every
article even remotely connected to BYU, that his post, though only implied this
time, is just another weak dig at BYU.Chase chose Utah because BYU
was honest enough to admit that they wanted him to play defense. Kyle, on the
other hand, is well known for switching his QB's to defensive, regardless
of what he promised while they were being recruited.
I love my fellow-UTE, Coach GA, but for those suggesting he's successfully
raiding all of UTAH's top-tier talent, this article only mentions 2 kids.
I was under the impression UTAH had double-digit top-tier recruits?THE U is going to get the vast majority of these in-state kids, it's the
other in-state schools which'll be negatively-impacted by Coach GA/WISC,
NOT THE U.And it's becoming a well-known fact that UTAH's
H.S.-Talent has been improving over the years and this is being recognized by
more and more top-tier schools, other than Coach GA/WISC, nationwide.
@VegasUteThey were joking cause he only ever comments on BYU
Gamer,Utah would still not compete in the PAC11+U with the kid. Does
anyone know if was recruited haevily by either bYU or Utah?
Busta,Anyone who has been on these boards for any amount of time
knows that Chris B is a BYU fan trying to make Utah fans look bad. It's
painfully obvious. Yet you and others continue to fall for it. Sooner or
later, you'll catch on.As for claiming that Kyle promises one
thing and then does another - please substantiate your claim with cold hard
facts. Neither speculation nor conjecture stand as evidence.
This kid was 16 as a freshman and will be 19 as a senior. From what I've
heard, he'd be a nice-to-land type, but not a show-stopper to lose.
It's said he's a decent all-around athlete, but not widely considered
to be top-tier talent as a QB. He'll be 20 when he enrolls in college and
has essentially maxed-out his growth-potential. He's dominated
significantly younger kids while in H.S.He'll end-up elsewhere,
other than at QB. In terms of offers, to date all 3 in-state schools offered,
along with Hawaii/WISC, per Scout.
AZUTE1"And it's becoming a well-known fact that UTAH's
H.S.-Talent has been improving over the years..."Unfortunately
for U, talent alone doesn't guarantee success as we saw last season with
the first of many PAC 12 era seasons ending without the Utes being good enough
to play in a bowl.
Not surprising that Andersen is recruiting players out of Utah. He spent a
great deal of time there, and is probably very familiar with the current crop of
high schoolers. Assuming he stays at Wisconsin for a while, I would expect this
down the road in 4 or 5 years. My concern for Kafentzis is playing
for Andy Ludwig. He has proven time and time again he really isn't a BCS
I don't blame you for wanting to play at Wisconsin. Camp Randall is a
place I'd like to visit eventually. Good luck kid.As a former
javelin thrower, I wouldn't risk your college football career by continuing
to throw. So many people mess their arms up throwing jav. You already took
state, just focus on getting a stronger football arm. I hurt my arm my senior
year and it's never been the same.
Coach Anderson is going to be a fine at Wisconsin. I wonder if he will be
ooaching there when this prospect is a college freshman. Why did he did not
consider the PAC 12 & Utah? Maybe Anderson will be at Utah in 3 years?
"Is there any question who was the best college football coach in the state
of Utah the past 5 years?"You've got to be kidding. How
many losing seasons did he have in one of the easiest conferences? How many did
others have their first few years in a conference rated above BCS conferences?
Yeah, when he had losing seasons, Bronco had 10 win seasons. Anderson is very
unproven. Wisconsin was very average last year and most of their good talent
from that team is gone. Getting bowl eligible will be a good season for them.
This isn't the WAC anymore, this is the big time. Besides the two patsies
to begin the season, the only other wins might be Illinois and Indiana. 5 win
season for Wisky this year.
RE: AZUTE1"This kid was 16 as a freshman and will be 19 as a
senior. From what I've heard, he'd be a nice-to-land type, but not a
show-stopper to lose. It's said he's a decent all-around athlete, but
not widely considered to be top-tier talent as a QB."I'd
love to hear who your sources are. All I've read (DeseretNews, Sports
Illustrated, MaxPrep) indicates otherwise. While he's not yet rated by
scout, rivals, and ESPN (because he's only a sophomore), he has a 4.42
forty time, can bench 340 lbs, has a 35 inch vertical, and is on track to break
several Utah state football records (in addition to the state record he already
holds for the javelin). It's no surprise that MaxPreps, who named him the
national freshman and sophomore player of the year, have him ranked as the #30
HS player (as a sophomore). He was on USA today's all-america second team
this year and is seeing interest by all the big boys (Alabama, USC, Florida
State, Oregon, Texas, etc.). I don't know how much more "top tier"
one can get. Go Badgers!
"My concern for Kafentzis is playing for Andy Ludwig. He has proven time and
time again he really isn't a BCS caliber OC."I didn't
know he was at Wisconsin. That further solidifies in my mind how much Wisconsin
will struggle this year.
Hondo"Anyone who has been on these boards for any amount of time
knows that Chris B is a BYU fan trying to make Utah fans look bad."You obviously don't recognize a significant portion of Utah's fan
base.Chris B. is a classic BYU hater / Utah fan, who roots for Utah
mainly as a foil for BYU.As for Kyle promising one thing, then doing
another, don't hold your breath on Chase ever starting a game at QB for the
Utes, especially if Kyle manages to recruit somebody better than Hays before
before Chase returns from his mission.
AZUTE:"I love my fellow-UTE, Coach GA..."Do you also
love your BYU coaches, Kyle Whittingham and Aaron Roderick? After Utah has a
rough season again, maybe we can welcome them home as DC and WR coach...we would
be more than happy to see the prodigal sons return.
@Wiscougarfan--Par for the course.I suggest you going
back and re-reading what I wrote and not presuming my intent to be what
it's not. You didn't catch the entirety of my gist.Yours
actually supported his older age....There are recruiting-insiders who know him
personally and confirm his hype stems from being not only quite talented
athletically, overall, but being at an age where 2 years is a significant leap
[i.e., 14-16].They feel, based upon his stature, that he won't
grow to the extent he needs to and how most incoming FR do as 17-18 Y.O. And
they feel his numbers are misleading because of both factors, but especially his
age.Not certain why anybody would find 2 years during this crucial
growth-period in a kid's early life to be insignificant?Anyway,
these people who actually do this for a living don't feel his future lays
at QB, but rather elsewhere.Your choice to see it other than a 16
Y.O. kid dominating 14 Y.O.s.! LOLp.s. FYI--Coach GA is a
fellow-UTE of mine. Think about it.
"Do you also love your BYU coaches, Kyle Whittingham and Aaron Roderick?
After Utah has a rough season again, maybe we can welcome them home as DC and WR
coach...we would be more than happy to see the prodigal sons return."Have you forgotton Coach KW's sentiment expressed recently right
here on this website? How about AR's abrupt 180 recently on bm/byu?Anyway, you're being contrary for no reason at all, but just simply
for the heck of it. I'm not biting beyond my 2 rhetorical-questions
above.Enjoy your debate and the remainder of your evening tonight,
RE: AZUTE1What are you talking about? The "gist" of your
post was clearly that Austin is not, as you said "a top tier talent". My
response refuted that claim. I didn't say anything about age because I
don't deem it as relevant as you do. Whether he's 18, 20, or 22 when
he starts college he's projected to be a major talent, which is why is he
is receiving so much recruiting attention now, after his sophomore season. Once
he's given stars/rankings and breaks a few more records this attention will
only intensify.Now you do bring up a valid point about his athletic
ability, as judged by your friends, the "recruiting-insiders" (still no
actual sources). I haven't seen him play so I can't contradict you
(or them), but sports writers seem to be really high on him. Whatever the case,
I'm glad we got him.
My words--"It's said he's a decent all-around athlete,
but not widely considered to be top-tier talent as a QB."Outside
of the state, he has offers from 2 other UTAH Coaches, UH/UW.Again,
ENORMOUS difference between 16-14/17-15, whether you openly acknowledge this
irrefutable-fact or not. This is the advantage he's had over the past
2-years.Hey, I could proclaim the sky is blue on any given day it
happens to be blue, and I'd have people surfacing left-and-right, insisting
it's black, orange, etc., any color other than blue! :)
AZUTE:"Anyway, you're being contrary for no reason at all, but
just simply for the heck of it. I'm not biting beyond my 2
rhetorical-questions above".Lol, I was actually just ribbing you
and poking fun. You obviously took it too serious. Enjoy your night as well.
AZUTE 1I really don't know what the heck your comments even mean.
I've watched Jordan K. 5 times live, and I don't care what age he is
in relation to everyone else, he is one of the most impressive "high
school" players I've ever watched. As a "16 year old" freshman
as you say, he wasn't competing against 14 year olds, he was dominating 18
year olds. What is your point? The growth potential? Oh, so all the 19 yr.
old freshmen out there are done learning. Please try to make sense if
you're going to comment. I'm a Ute fan, but don't wish the kid
bad luck because he didn't go to Utah. That's what is annoying about
BYU fans like yourself. He let you down somehow? What a great opportunity for
a "19 yr. old" from Utah. I hope he wins a national championship.
That's if he can beat your Cougs.
@Down under: I couldn't tell you about Utah's recruiting, but BYU
offered him *very* early. Given that I didn't hear any mention of him
being LDS, I suspect BYU figured their only chance at landing him was based on
the early offer. Of course, that's a gamble, but it doesn't mean they
would have had to stick with him at QB if he didn't pan out--we only have
to refer to Jake Heaps for that.
He will make an excellent defensive back for the Badgers!
It's a mistake... A decision made on impulse... He should have waited till
he finished all the camps and focused on the 2013 season... He probably would
have ended up with alot more offers and he would have had a chance to evaluate
the programs who did offer a little more closely than he has...I
wish him the best, but my hunch is that he won't finish his college career
with the Badgers.
LOL B-b-but I thought all the BCS caliber talent in Utah was lining
up to play 'big boy' ball at the U?
BYU is loaded as far as future quarterbacks are concerned. Tanner Mangum out of
Idaho, the MVP of the Top 11 camp/competition will step in when Taysom Hill
finishes. To have a soph QB solidly in place gives you three years of stability
other teams lack and then to have a terrific kid coming in when he finishes is
as good as it gets. Billy Green will also be in the mix, I think he has a great
upside, and there will be others coming in or already in the program to cover
injuries. Best wishes to the young man from Jordan, the Badgers sound like a
good home for the guy, and then with two years before he can sign who knows. I
suspect Anderson will move his recruiting more toward the Midwest where the
numbers are and leave Utah in the rearview. But for now, that's where he
has the connections.
sammygSpringville, UTLOL B-b-but I thought all the BCS
caliber talent in Utah was lining up to play 'big boy' ball at the
U?From 5/8 DNews article--"Utah is executing its
strategy very well in preparation for the coming years. In the recruiting class
of 2013, the Utes landed five of the top 10 players in the state of Utah as
rated by Rivals.com. As part of the class, the Utes will add Pine View offensive
lineman Logan Stott (ranked No. 3), Bingham defensive tackle Lowell Lotulelei
(4), Cottonwood tight end Siale Fakailoatonga (5), Brighton linebacker Uaea
Masina (6), and Alta tight end Harrison Handley (7) to their roster.By way of comparison, in-state rival BYU only landed two of the state’s
top 10 players — receivers Talon Shumway (9) and Inoke Lotulelei (10),
with only Shumway holding an offer from the Utes. Utah State didn’t land
any players on the list, despite its successful 2012 season. Utah’s recent
recruiting dominance over its in-state rivals is a trend that would have been
unthinkable a little more than a decade ago."
More from 05/08--"The class of 2014 is shaping up to continue
the trend of Utah’s in-state recruiting success. Jackson Barton is No. 61
on the Rivals.com national recruiting radar, the state’s top prospect in
2014 and a Utah commit. He is regarded as the best football prospect to come out
of the state of Utah in the last decade and is the type of player that will not
only anchor the Ute offensive line when he arrives on campus, but will help
attract more elite talent.One such player Whittingham hoped Barton
would attract is Stansbury defensive tackle Allan Havili, another in-state
recruit with multiple offers from out-of-state BCS conference schools. Havili
was dominant at last summer’s All-Poly camp, and caught the attention of
coaches from Arizona, Wisconsin and Hawaii, but the opportunity to play close to
home in front of friends and family was too much to pass up."
05/08--“The players and coaches treat me like I’m
already a part of the team. (Utah) just feels like home. It’s also a big
deal because the campus is just 30 minutes from my house. It felt like home to
me,” Havili told UteZone.com after his commitment. Kearns
athlete Amone Finau is another committed player who earned a scholarship offer
after standout performances in last summer’s camp circuit. Like Havili,
Finau valued the opportunity to play in front of friends and family.“The U. has a good program and it’s close to home, so family can
come watch me,” Finau told UteZone.com around the time of his commitment
in July of last year.----Not to mention Kenyon Frison. DS might opt
to stay home and become a homegrown-legend playing for the state's premier
football program, too, as playing for UTAH and against the week-in, week-out
competition our conference of champions affords us, is obviously
second-to-none.These are the types of kids we've targeted from
Day 1, within our process of building-up the talent/depth required! GO UTES!!!!
What? I thought the Pac-12 team in Utah was slurping up all the top talent. I
guess you need more than a Pac-12 patch to be relevant.
Will he serve a mission? If he serves a mission maybe we can get him back when
he comes back.
Kid will be 20 entering college and to those scouting him, he's well-built,
strong but the feel is he's done growing vertically.Hence, not
the loss for UTAH/gain for WISC Twitter indicates.Of course, he
could be a few years out of H.S. working in The DFWI Airport as Dennis Rodman
RE: AZUTE1"Kid will be 20 entering college and to those scouting
him, he's well-built, strong but the feel is he's done growing
vertically."Any ideas on why the "scouts" feel that way.
He just turned 17 and most experts say that men grow until they are 18-21 and
sometimes until age 25. At 6'1" and 195 lbs he's already big
enough to play as a D1 quarterback, but I suspect he'll tack on another
inch or two. I don't know if he really needs to bulk up, he already can
bench 340 and squat 500 lbs. That's more than adequate for a quarterback.
His 4.42 forty time isn't half bad either.Also, kid won't
"be 20 entering college," he'll be 19 and turn 20 after his
freshman season has concluded... you should probably do a little research before
This is not a loss for BYU or Utah. Kafentzis is not a big time talent and would
have likely changed position at either the Y or the U. He's undersized and
is the product of a system (sound familiar BYU fans? - I'm sure he has grit
and would be willing to cover kickoffs in practice). He will put up big numbers
the next two years in high school, but I will be very surprised if he ever takes
a live, first team snap for the Badgers.
This means nothing to BYU but it is a definate blow to utah. This is the kind of
kid utah must get, an instate non mormon national recruit. The fact
is that as this state grows in population there will be more good athletes and
more good recruits and a good portion of them are going to get offers from out
of state schools. utah needs to get kids like this, he is exactly what they must
have, and this is the 2nd one in 2 years they have lost. Let's not forget
the kid from cottonwood that picked lsu. When a non Mormon national qb recruit
comes out of utah then utah needs to get that kid, not lose him to an out of
state school. And let's not ignore the fact that neither of these kids went
to another pac12 school, they blew utah and the pac 12 off completely and went
to the SEC and Big 10. Yes this is a blow to utah.
@azuteDo you spend even one half of a second thinking about the
stuff you post before you post it? Kafentis did not spend the last 2 years being
a 16 year old beating up on 14 year olds, he was the VARSITY qb for the last 2
years so he spent both of those years beating up on 17, 18, and 19 year old
VARSITY players. So even if he is older he was at minimum playing against kids
his own age or a year or 2 older than him, not kids younger than him. Your
"frantic and emotional" attempts to falsely claim otherwise not
withstanding.The utah "fan", like you and christina's,
attempts to downgrade this kid because he spurned utah and the pac12 are really
funny though. Please keep it up as your obvious angst supplies me with no end of
@lloyd braunYour "frantic and emotional" attempt to try and
claim azute is a BYU fan was the funniest post on this article. You utah
"fans" are in full blown meltdown mode over this.LOL!
Duckhunter - Cooper Bateman is at Alabama, not LSU. He's also sitting at
about 5th string QB and Bama just recruiting another kid Why does it
matter if the kid is Mormon or non-Mormon? It's not a blow to
either BYU or Utah. Unless both are looking for defensive back depth.
Duckhunter,I wonder what it feels like to have a graduating class
that never knew it was like to beat your rival.the byu 2013 class is
about to find out!LOL0-4How embarassing
Mitch Jessop,Just curious why you have such animosity towards your
hometown Aggies? Your comments about Wisconsin being a better choice pretty much
applies to all three major in state schools or Weber (no need to even mention
SUU) so why only single out USU? You seem to like to take a shot at USU every
chance you get and I'm just curious why the sour grapes?
@uu32That he is non LDS matters because the presumption is that a
non LDS kid will not want to attend BYU. Maybe you don't read other utah
"fans" comments here about "sunday school boys" or that BYU
cannot get non LDS athletes? Well that means a kid like Kafentzis is
unattainable to BYU so what Kafentzis does is of no matter to them, according to
utah "fans". utah on the otherhand has no honor code and can
recruit drinkers, fornicators, dope smokers, etc. to their hearts content, or at
least kids that have no religious aversion to those things. When a recruit like
that is sitting right in utah's backyard it is imperative they get that kid
and don't allow him to run off to the SEC or the Big 10.As for
bateman being 5th string at alabama, let's be honest, 5th string at alabama
is 1st string at utah especially when we look at utah's abysmal qb
recruiting and performance over the last several years. utah needs bateman and
kafentzis so not getting them is a blow.When was the last time utah
beat BYU for a top LDS qb?
AZUte -- remember Danny Almonte? I think the same principal applies here.
There is a reason he dominated in the little league world series. Where is he
now?It would have been very nice for Utah to get Kafentzis on the
team, but he would never have played at QB. Blechen is a prime example of what
Whitt can do with high school QBs. My guess is that he never plays a meaningful
down at QB for Wisconsin. He will be like Cooper Bateman at Bama, mired in the
depth chart. I still think Bateman will be a successful QB, just not at
Reno - I know all about Chris B. I was just giving you guys a hard time
because, although he didn't use the letters "byU" in his post, we
all knew what he was thinking. I was just joking too. It was with "tongue
firmly planted in my cheek".UteLusters: "Chase chose Utah
because BYU was honest enough to admit that they wanted him to play defense.
Kyle, on the other hand, is well known for switching his QB's to defensive,
regardless of what he promised while they were being recruited."I find that line of thought quite funny. To outright state that Roscoe is
honest and Whitt is a liar, and that is the only reason Chase committed, just
makes me chuckle. You obviously have no actual information about how Whitt
dealt with Chase. Your views are just conjecture and byU spin. I have talked
with Mrs. Hansen personally, and so has my brother (who is a stanch byU fan),
and her views on Whitt and the Utah staff are exactly opposite of yours. I tend
to trust her judgement a tad more than a jealous kewg with an agenda.Go Utes!!
"When was the last time UTAH beat byU for a top LDS qb?"Does
Jake Heaps count? "LOL"Go Utes!!Where is
Are there kids in Utah that can play well for BCS schools? Absolutely. Many
programs are bringing in Utah because they are good athletes but also come from
stable homes. This equates to stability for the team. A lot of schools are
looking to Utah as a recruiting option. Will he do well in Wisconsin?? This is
unchartered turf. The main problem I see is how these kids will respond to
being so far away from home. Hard from families to come watch and be involved;
especially in such a pro-family community. BYU is not looking as much in state
as out of state for recruits.
AZUTE1:"As part of the class, the Utes will add Pine View
offensive lineman Logan Stott (ranked No. 3)..."Neither the
DNews nor the SLTrib really spoke much on the Logan Stott issue, so I still
don't know...Rivals shows him as having signed his LOI with
Arizona, but I've heard other rumors that he hadn't. So what's
his deal? Do you know if he will be eligible to play in the Fall, or will he
have to sit out until 2014? Might there be any mission plans? What can we
expect out this kid?
@ Chris BYeah the mighty Pac 12 and a bcs conference. How's
that PAC-12 treating you Chris? Oh you say 7-11 the past two years, wow what a
powerhouse the uTes. lol
Duckhunter - I don't think that it is fair to say that because a recruit is
non-Mormon that religion is the deciding factor. Two of the best QBs in BYU
history came to campus as non-Mormons -- Ty Detmer, Jim McMahon. Ty ended up
converting, but Jim did not. Jim wasn't exactly a "Sunday school
boy" while on campus in Provo. Pretty sure the Y's best returning
player, KVN, is not a member of the church. Is Cody Hoffman? Jamaal Williams?
(yes I get you were referring to Utah kids - but these names drive home the
point). I don't need to go through the long list of good LDS
kids that play or have played at Utah or Utah State because you already know
them. I'm missing something - unless you are just trying to carry on a
debate with Chris B - in that case - you two should carry on . . . The rest of
you -- nothing to see here, move along.
@UU32: Not being from Utah myself, but now seeing the dynamic here with regard
to religion, I would think that religion or lack of it does indeed play a
significant factor in the decision to commit to BYU. It is true that McMahon
and Detmer came to BYU as non-LDS (as did Robbie Bosco), but that was when BYU
was second to none in developing quarterbacks, and, in the case of Catholic
McMahon, he nevertheless viewed BYU as a consolation prize because he
couldn't get Notre Dame to take him. Also, Utah was essentially a
non-factor in the recruiting wars at the time due to their relative lack of
success. Now, for BYU to get top non-LDS talent, they either need to
specifically want to be at BYU for the environment as was the case with Jamaal
Williams, or be entirely overlooked as was the case with Hoffman. Incidentally,
I also thought KVN was not LDS, but have been told by more than one person that
in fact is false; one commentor said he knew personally from Nevada that KVN was
@uu32Comprehension on your part would help. I am simply playing on
what utah "fans" like to tell BYU fans, that BYU cannot get non LDS
recruits, that no top recruit wants to go to BYU, that utah gets nothing but top
recruits, that pac12 membership would seal the deal for ALL top instate
recruits, etc.YOu and I both know all of those things are false and
it is times like this that make it fun to point out the utah "fan"
hypocrisy.As for KVN, yes he is LDS. Hoffman and Williams are not.
And the fact those BYU players are out of staters does not "drive home the
point". In fact it proves my point which is kafentizis is an instate kid,
and he is non LDS, and those are the kids those illustrous utah "fans"
told us utah would be getting lock, stock, and barrel. It appears that is not
the case. They also tell us BYU will not get those kids so for BYU this means
nothing.BYU gets plenty of top QB recruits, just about every year
they sign a top 20 guy. utah does not. utah needs kids like that.
Naval Vet:It is my understanding that Stott has enrolled at Utah for
Summer classes. Nobody I know knows yet what exactly happened with Arizona, nor
when he will be eligible to play. Hopefully, when all is cleared up, he will
explain what happened. I am very glad he is a Ute, though, and didn't try
to follow Anae. Smart kid!Go Utes!!
Whoever said Mitch Jessop has sour grapes is really dumb. USU never looked at
him and he made a great choice going to a great school. Awesome team, great
education, and respectful fan's to boot. The aggie team is ok. Probably
won't be this year. Don't know about the education. And to know what
the fan's are like you need to go to the games. Big difference between the
two of us. But the point it this high school kid making the choice to go to
Wisc. Again very very good choice kid.
@wiscfan--Any ideas on why the "scouts" feel that way. He
just turned 17 and most experts say that men grow until they are 18-21 and
sometimes until age 25. At 6'1" and 195 lbs he's already big
enough to play as a D1 quarterback, but I suspect he'll tack on another
inch or two. I don't know if he really needs to bulk up, he already can
bench 340 and squat 500 lbs. That's more than adequate for a quarterback.
His 4.42 forty time isn't half bad either. Also, kid won't "be 20
entering college," he'll be 19 and turn 20 after his freshman season
has concluded... you should probably do a little research before spouting
off.--WOW....Hold the presses everybody! Somebody who's 1,500
miles away, doesn't know this kid from Adam, has ZERO experience within the
recruiting business, has most likely never even so much as seen this kid play in
person, refuses to acknowledge what's 100% blatantly obvious to everybody
else, knows nobody outside UTAH/with UTAH-Roots has offered him, etc., etc.,
etc., etc., knows precisely what lays ahead for this kid, above all others,
@Chris B"Great choice to attend a prestigious BCS program.We would have liked to have you, but with Chase Hansen among others in our
pipeline, you will likely get more opportunity at playing time
elsewhere."Nice comments, they bring some questions to mind:1. Hmmm...how on earth did Coach Whittingham manage to whiff on this
kid? Gary came into Kyle's backyard and stole ANOTHER recruit right out of
Whittingham's back pocket. Why don't any of these kids want to go to
the BCS school in their own backyard?2. I noticed you complimented
him on his choice to attend a "presitigious" BCS school, are you
implying that the UofU is the opposite of prestigious?3. I know
it's killing you that Kyle whiffed on another local H.S. star that went to
Wisconsin and former Utah St HC Gary Andersen, isn't it?Last is
a comment, you mentioned with Chase Hansen in the pipeline that Austen
wouldn't get much playing time but I think you're wrong there because
Hansen will be playing Linebacker and Austen is more athletic and would've
been playing in the secondary at Utah under Kyle.
@AZUTE1" but for those suggesting he's successfully raiding all
of UTAH's top-tier talent, this article only mentions 2 kids"and" it's the other in-state schools which'll be
negatively-impacted by Coach GA/WISC, NOT THE U."I think
they're suggesting it because both kids came from Coach Whitt's
backyard and the RB from East High is practically in Whitt's back pocket
he's so close. If he starts getting kids from Bingham High or Utah Valley
schools to come to Wisconsin then it will look more like what you said is true.
As it stands right now GA grabbed the highest rated non-LDS prospect
in the state (not expected to go to BYU) right out of Kyle's backyard.
It's looking like he can come to Kyle's neighborhood and grab any kid
he wants and leave the leftovers for Utah, Weber St and Utah St to fight over.
@Cougar Passion--You make a fair point, but I'll take it a step
further. I'm close friends with 2 former byu All-Americans from the
'80s down here, and it's a consensus sentiment among them.bm is why byu can't reel-in non-LDS players with the same frequency as LE
did. His priorities are in the reverse of what's required, in order to
achieve it. One guy had an equally robust laugh at bm's expense, but no
matter one's stance on level of importance Firesides, etc. deserve, this
mentality has relegated byu to gradually falling further-and-further behind.,
across-the-board.Right on cue, a succession of the expected,
typically regurgitated spin-based vitriolic responses to me will immediately
ensue, but fact remains, long gone are days when byu's win-total included
2-3 wins over decent teams, annually, whereas excepting a 3-point final margin
over usu at home and not up there in Logan, byu has padded their win-totals in
recent memory primarily with College Football's absolute bottom-feeders.
Only just in 2013, does their SOS seemingly jump slightly upward toward a
respectable level, yet still ripe with weeks off.
@VegasUte"It would have been very nice for Utah to get Kafentzis on
the team, but he would never have played at QB. Blechen is a prime example of
what Whitt can do with high school QBs."Bad example, I
don't think Blechen's well-documented problems are Kyle's doing
or should be blamed on him. Brian needs to own his own baggage there.On a different note, I find it extremely hilarious to read all the sour grapes
coming from die hard ute fans like AZUTE1, Chris B (he's not really a ute
fan, just a BYU hater), etc. All the comments like he's old, he'll
never play QB, etc just show how bitter you are that Gary Andersen came into
your backyard and stole another high profile recruit (like the RB from East
High). Don't get mad at the kids, get mad at Chris Hill and
Kyle for joining the Pac 12 and promptly running the ute's ship right into
the ground. If they were winning games and actually looked like a BCS program
then local kids who aspired to play for a BCS caliber school would commit to
"Chris BSalt Lake City, UTCongratulations on choosing a
prestigious BCS power conference school. We would have liked you, but
you'll probably get more playing time at Wisconsin as we're pretty
loaded at running back right now. Gary Anderson is a great coach. Good luck!Sincerely,Fellow Power Conference Member Pac 12 University
of Utah Utes"That's what Chris B posted last month when
another high profile recruit in Utah's backyard decided to go to a
"prestigious" BCS school at Wisconsin instead of going to a
non-prestigious BCS school like Utah. Sounds pretty familiar...Well
Chris...I don't know what to tell you. Maybe win a few games in the Pac12
and the top local players will start thinking of the UofU in those same terms.
Right now it looks like Gary Andersen is stealing Whittingham blind.
Keep in mind that I say this as a lifelong, loyal Ute fan:With
Utah's recent (since 2008) history at the quarterback position, it
shouldn't surprise anyone that top high school QBs in the state of Utah go
somewhere other than the U."Losing" a prospect from the
state of Utah to play for Alabama or Wisconsin also shouldn't surprise
anyone. Alabama is currently the best program in the nation, and is on the
short list for the best all-time program in college footbal. Wisconsin has also
had two solid decades of great football.It sounds as though there
are several good quarterbacks in the Utah system now, but until they deliver on
the field, it doesn't mean much.I am hoping Travis Wilson has a
productive season and helps the Utes exceed expectations.Go Utes!
"I think they're suggesting it because both kids came from Coach
Whitt's backyard and the RB from East High is practically in Whitt's
back pocket he's so close. If he starts getting kids from Bingham High or
Utah Valley schools to come to Wisconsin then it will look more like what you
said is true."I'm utterly speechless right now. I
don't believe I'll ever again meet another person who believes a
HC's ability to recruit will be judged upon the recruits he
does/doesn't receive commitments from between 2 different schools [1 versus
the other], due to distance, which happen to be located within the same, exact
county, not to mention within the same, exact state, to boot. WOW.
BYU didn't need this guy. We're stacked for years to come on both
sides of the ball.
"As it stands right now GA grabbed the highest rated non-LDS prospect in the
state (not expected to go to BYU) right out of Kyle's backyard. It's
looking like he can come to Kyle's neighborhood and grab any kid he wants
and leave the leftovers for Utah, Weber St and Utah St to fight over."As it stands, Coach GA has exactly 1 recruit out of UTAH for 2014 and 1
recruit for 2015, neither of which UTAH ever even remotely seriously pursued.
For instance, go to any of the recruiting websites and see for yourself what
each one's insiders are stating regarding UTAH's QB prospects. Not
only was this particular kid never mentioned as a QB-target for UTAH, he was
also never mentioned as a kid UTAH pursued seriously even just simply as an
ATH.Regarding byu/usu, UTAH/WISC would never regularly be in serious
competition for recruits, overall, since latter 2 are routinely in competition
for recruits with 3+ Stars, while the former 2 will be routinely in competition
for recruits with 2- Stars.
Oh no...the stars are out again. I will take a 2 star that shines brighter on
the field and becomes an all American bowl game winner and national award winner
vs a 3 or 4 star that implodes into a black hole void of championships, bowl
games, or trophies any day. It's unfortunate all these 3&4 star players
AZUTE and NV boast about can't beat a PAC12 team with a winning record or
win any nationally recognized trophies or awards. Que the SOS spin.
@AZUTE1"I'm utterly speechless right now"Lol! You
don't sound very "utterly speechless" because you're still
talking about it. You're apparently very angry that you lost this kid from
your backyard to the former Utah St head coach. Hoo-hoooooooooo...ute fans are
full of angst and extremely bitter over losing those kids. Keep coming with the
"we never wanted him" comments, or the "he's not very good"
comments. (Methinks thou doth protest too much)
I love you Mildred!!
VegasUteStott did not sign a LOI @ Arizona, but he was enrolled. He
has to sit out a year @ Utah, but gets 4 years of eligibility after that, if he
decides to play. The word is that several things turned him away on Arizona.
First off Anae was the one who recruited the kid, while Mike Stoops was head
coach. He was not a Rodriguez recruit. Anae got the BYU job and left the same
day that Stott, as a mid-year high school senior, arrived in Tucson. He had no
other connection with the coaches and players and felt isolated. Also felt that
the Az program under Rodriguez had changed in ways that did not suit him as a
player. He is enrolled @ Utah and deciding if he wants to play next year or
just get on with his education.
RE: AZEUTE1"Regarding byu/usu, UTAH/WISC would never regularly
be in serious competition for recruits, overall, since latter 2 are routinely in
competition for recruits with 3+ Stars, while the former 2 will be routinely in
competition for recruits with 2- Stars."I would love to know how
Utah/Wisc are "routinely in competition for recruits with 3+ stars"?
They have only gone head-to-head for five recruits (Bart Houston, Walker
Williams, Allan Havili, Ula Tolutau, and Austin Kafentzis), the first three are
3 star recruits, Tolutau is a 2 star recruit, and Kafentzis is not yet ranked
(although according to the tone of your posts, I suspect you would give him zero
stars). I don't know if would say five head-to-head battles constitutes a
"routine." The truth is that BYU, USU, and Utah go
head-to-head much more frequently, and lately Utah has been winning that battle.
But Utah is not winning the head-to-head recruiting battle over any BCS
programs, Colorado and Washington State included.
Yes he is attending a prestigious BCS school, as opposed to a not prestigious
"But Utah is not winning the head-to-head recruiting battle over any BCS
programs, Colorado and Washington State included."Of course they
are. Look at how Utah is "dominating" the in-state competition!By the way, ESPN has Utah being the 2nd worst team this year in the PAC.
WSU's recruiting being the key factor to jump Utah.