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Dick Harmon: Bronco Mendenhall and Cecil O. Samuelson have been working together for a long time

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  • BlueCoug Orem, UT
    June 17, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    I hope Bronco signs a new 3- to 5-year contract soon.

  • Informed Voter South Jordan, UT
    June 17, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    When Gary Crowton was let go, he received a large buy out payment. I think it was reported as $500,000. At the time I figured the Board of Trustee members were likely not happy with that. At the same time, the Men's Athletic Director also was sent packing. My guess is there was a connection with that untypical BYU contract. So for what it is worth, I do not see BYU giving Bronco such a deal.

  • PMSmith SANDY, UT
    June 17, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    Yes - He is a UTAH Man!!

  • PMSmith SANDY, UT
    June 17, 2013 7:39 p.m.

    Yes - It takes a UTAH Man to get all that done!!

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 17, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    Waiting for a new president to be announced makes some sense, but I'd prefer to see Bronco's contract renewed as soon as possible.

  • BYU DUDE Provo, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    This BYU fan says ,

    Let Bronco Go Into that Dark Night he Can be Replaced !

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 8:54 p.m.

    I think that this does bring up a good point. I think that truly what is going on is that they re waiting for a time when they can announce the contract with more gusto and press.

  • SLC BYU Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    I really hope the BYU community will appreciate the job Cecil O. Samuelson has done throughout his tenure at BYU. It is a VERY difficult job being the "go between" those senior brethren who desire to freeze or even contract or furulough a program and then telling faculty deans and directors no to post-graduate program expansion. This can and often is a hapless job in acadamia, especially at a school like BYU with as much faculty scholarship skills and ability, as well as an undergraduate studentbody any big AAU research school desires to have.

    As for Athletics, if BYU were to drop its football program then the likely scenario is Utah Valley University starts one. It would not help Utah State one ioda.

  • Vladhagen Salt Lake City, UT
    June 17, 2013 11:16 p.m.

    Why is it that people somehow have the idea that the "Brethren" want to ax football? BYU has no desire to become an androgynous school with no sports or mascot! And besides, you cannot pay for as great of advertising as playing on ESPN. PMSmith......yes Cecil was born in Utah. You have made a very astute observation.

  • canadiancougar624 Provo, UT
    June 18, 2013 12:10 a.m.

    What are we going to say after BYU makes a free throw at basketball games if Cecil retires?? :O :O :O

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 7:59 a.m.

    SLC BYU Fan
    "This can and often is a hapless job in acadamia, especially at a school like BYU with as much faculty scholarship skills and ability, as well as an undergraduate studentbody any big AAU research school desires to have."

    AAU schools already have that and byu is not a research school. Keep dreaming...LOL!

    "...if BYU were to drop its football program then the likely scenario is Utah Valley University starts one. It would not help Utah State one ioda."

    So, if byu drops it's football program (won't happen IMO) your contention is that UVU would start a football program to fill the need. Is that correct? You base this theory on what? That byu fans want a football program and UVU is located in Utah Valley so UVU will start a program? You do realize that UVU is a state school and an extension of byu, right? byu fans should be getting used to hearing...'we don't care what you want.'

  • Whoa Nellie American Fork, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:26 a.m.

    PMS, yes Cecil went to utah. Nice of you to acknowledge that. You probably don't realize that Utah's head football coach and others on his staff are BYU men. Does that mean takes a Cougar to bring recognition to the U? BYU supporters don't really care about President Samuelson's credentials as much as you might, but he has done an excellent job so far and we're happy about that. My point is, neither of us have a point.

  • Esquire Springville, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Samuelson has been a great President. A welcome change to the immediate predecessor. HOwever, what's the point of this column?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:47 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    two words: reading comprehension

    BYU is classified as a High Research University by the Carnegie Foundation.
    Utah is classified as a Very High Research University.

    Interestingly, however, in the most recent 2011 Report of Top American Research Universities:

    National Merit and Achievement Scholars

    BYU ranked 30th with 76 scholars
    Utah ranked 112th with only 17 scholars

    The Top 200 Institutions – Median SAT Scores

    BYU ranked 109th at 1240
    Utah unranked, didn't even place in the Top 200

  • Malihini Northern, UT
    June 18, 2013 8:58 a.m.

    Just another article from Mr. Harmon that makes no sense. Saying that the school is waiting to get a new president before it extends a contract to Bronco is saying that the football program at BYU is so important, more important that building construction, school expansion, faculty employment, etc. that it has to wait for a new president to sign off on the deal. No way! First of all, it is the Board of Trustees that run the university and bring consistency to the school through administrative turnover. They are the ones that dictate the existence of the entire athletic program.

    To say that President Samuelson is waiting to be replaced is to suggest that he is shortsighted, which is hardly the case. It is just not the way BYU, nor any large institution goes about it's business. Mr. Harmon should know this. This article seems to me to be a dig at BYU from a frustrated beat writer who has a great "love-hate" relationship with the school.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 18, 2013 9:01 a.m.

    "SLC BYU Fan

    Salt Lake City, UT

    I really hope the BYU community will appreciate the job Cecil O. Samuelson has done throughout his tenure at BYU. It is a VERY difficult job being the "go between" those senior brethren who desire to freeze or even contract or furulough a program and then telling faculty deans and directors no to post-graduate program expansion. This can and often is a hapless job in acadamia, especially at a school like BYU with as much faculty scholarship skills and ability, as well as an undergraduate studentbody any big AAU research school desires to have.

    As for Athletics, if BYU were to drop its football program then the likely scenario is Utah Valley University starts one. It would not help Utah State one ioda."

    As a non-practicing LDS BYU fan, I think Samuelson has done an excellent job at what is a difficult job for the reasons you listed. I don't understand the resistance to expanding post-graduate programs at BYU though - Maybe they could put a stop to the large number of graduates heading to the devil's layer in Berkeley and Palo Alto. Just a thought.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 18, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Mendenhall is probably on a surf board somewhere. Signing a contract is not at the top of his priorities for Summer, nor is it the top priority for Cecil. I believe a contract will be signed before the season begins, but there are others who think the brethren will wait to see how the season goes. Let's face it, the entire O coaching staff was let go. The head coach has to have some accountability for the poor production of the offense also. If the offense struggles again, we may not see a new contract for Bronco.

    I normally wouldn't read or comment on an article like this, but we're in the doldrums of Summer starved for anything we can read about college football.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 10:55 a.m.

    Marked it Down
    There is clearly an enormous difference between a high and a very high research institution. What do you suppose the criteria is for such a distinction? That must mean that UVU is classified as a research institution. Sure, why not! Every school in the country conducts surveys. That's research. Well done, byu...well done indeed!

    As for the faculty, I guess I would have to ask what their role is and what type of research they do. If they are as talented as you want to believe, why aren't they at a "very" high research institution? It would be interesting to know in what field they have achieved "scholar" status. It can make a big difference regarding the institution they are at.

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 18, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Sign Bronco for 20 years - PLEASE.

  • BlueHusky Mission Viejo, CA
    June 18, 2013 11:28 a.m.

    Re BYU's graduate programs: I was on the faculty at Yale (1970s) when the AAAS journal Science had a front page article on BYU's strategy for funding. BYU would not accept government funds directly, but filtered them through an external non-profit organization. This was intended to insulate BYU from direct government oversight and interference. When my daughter matriculated at BYU in the early 1990s, they explicitly described the program as focused toward undergraduate education. I have no professional contact with BYU so I don't know what the focus is, but BYU has emerged as a major player in business, finance, computer science, etc. These fields typically do not seek funding from government sources.

    Not having a medical/dental school precludes much medical research and the vast funding available. Their basic physical and biological science teaching is very well respected and they do offer Ph.Ds in those fields. BYU grads have a better than average acceptance rate into professional schools and grad schools around the country.

    Basic science is hard to fund (see high energy physics, for example). I suspect that BYU will continue with their undergraduate focus.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    June 18, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    bronco is waiting to see what byu is going to do about this independent, wcc mess that they've got themselves into.

  • Hondo Scottsdale, AZ
    June 18, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    I think everyone is hoping that something will get worked out, STAT. We all like the slogans, the defense getting into three-point stances and sprinting out onto the field in unison, and the frumpy t-shirts. Without Bronco, you can kiss all of that goodbye.

    C'mon, Holmoe! Push it through! STAT!

  • rodney k. smith BUENA VISTA, VA
    June 18, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    I, for one, am pleased President Samuelson has put on Cougar blue for a decade of wonderful leadership. BYU is blessed to have this Ute leading them. He is a joy to know and work with and will be missed when his day comes. I also think he exemplifies an approach that all fans should follow: decency is more important than who wins. In our household we say Go Aggies, Go Cougars, go Knights (Southern Virginia) and go Utes, since we have ties to all of those great universities. Thanks, as well, to Bronco for his commitment to being a teacher-coach.

  • Reno Cougs Fan 68 Reno, NV
    June 18, 2013 2:21 p.m.

    Thank you rodney k. smith for reminding us all in your own words that where a person comes from does not matter as much as what he does with what he has been given!!! Too much Blue vs. Red and us vs. them between the fans of the two biggest schools in Utah!!! We and they should work together for the common good instead of this continual fighting about who is better!!!

    Go Cougs!!!
    Go Utes!!!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    June 18, 2013 3:12 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    The difference between High and Very High Research is simply the volume of research, it says NOTHING about the quality of the research.

    However, BYU ranked 30th with 76 National Merit and Achievement Scholars, while Utah only ranked 112th with only 17 National Merit and Achievement Scholars suggesting that BYU is accomplishing far more with fewer resources devoted to research.

  • coleman51 Orem, UT
    June 18, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    I personally don't think that there is any connection between Samuelson's tenure as BYU president and the contract negotiations for Bronco Mendenhall. My guess is that Bronco wants a buyout clause because he believes that he can very well move on to a BCS conference. Bronco is far too overrated as a coach and could be replaced. I would personally give Bronco's job to Robert Anae, who I believe is a much better coach.

  • STuFOO Korea, AE
    June 18, 2013 5:39 p.m.

    I love it.

    an article about Bronco's contract is hijacked by u fans who then want to argue that their school is better academically.

    Wow, talk about inferiority complex.

    Then Marked It Down obliterates the competition. Well done my friend.

    "but we went to two BCS bowls... and, and, and, and... we own you, 3 of last 4."

    Nope, no inferiority complex there. Glad you moved on.

  • ND95CA Lincoln Park, IL
    June 18, 2013 7:33 p.m.

    My Perspective

    "There is clearly an enormous difference between a high and a very high research institution."

    It's clear that you're just making stuff up; that you didn't actually do any research to determine the difference between high and very high levels of research activity.

    Doctorate-granting Universities are institutions that awarded at least 20 doctorates in 2003–04. The framework further classifies these universities by their level of research activity, as measured by research expenditures, number of research doctorates awarded, number of research-focused faculty, and other factors.

    The main difference is in the quantity of research done.

    Research Universities (RU/VH)—very high research activity (108)
    - includes Utah

    Research Universities (RU/H)—high research activity (99)
    - includes BYU, Utah State, Baylor, Oklahoma State, Texas Tech, and Kansas State

    Since UVU isn't a Doctorate-granting university, it wouldn't even be considered in the RU/VH or RU/H categories.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:08 a.m.

    "....suggesting that BYU is accomplishing far more with fewer resources devoted to research."

    Considering the research the U has conducted on genetics, stem cells, cancer, and eye pathologies I would say that anything BYU has done research wise pales in comparison to what Utah has done/is doing.

  • CoachRay Orem, UT
    June 19, 2013 9:52 a.m.

    Only a Dick Harmon article from the Desnews can get readers so stirred up as to go completely off-topic and begin comparing the words "high" vs "very high," and then going to the "we're better than you," card.
    Dr Seuss said it best, Star belly sneetches ......

  • Riverton Cougar Riverton, UT
    June 19, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Two For Flinching,

    Are you aware of anything BYU does research-wise? Or are you just going to assume that whatever it is, it can't possibly be any better than anything Utah has done.

    I think I already know the answer. In fact, you gave the answer in your post.

  • Frantic & Emotional philadelphia , PA
    June 19, 2013 2:04 p.m.

    @My Perspective
    "You do realize that UVU is a state school and an extension of byu, right?"

    BYU is a private school. If UVU is a state school then it would make it an extension of the main state school for Utah. BYU already has some campuses that are extensions of it's main campus, BYU-I and BYU-H.

  • Frantic & Emotional philadelphia , PA
    June 19, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    President Samuelson has done an excellent job at BYU and I hope he continues another 9 yrs.

  • BigCougar Bountiful, UT
    June 19, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    I will be sad to see Dr Samuelson go, he's been a great asset to BYU.

  • DevilishUte Tempe, AZ
    June 19, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Is this year's team also the band o' bros or was that a once-in-a-lifetime team slogan?

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    June 19, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    two fer

    "I would say that anything BYU has done research wise pales in comparison to what Utah has done/is doing."

    Working on a joint research project with Monsanto, BYU professor Daniel Simmons discovered an enzyme and a gene called Cox 2 that allowed for development of an anti-inflammation drug (Celebrex) that did not have the long-term side effects of aspirin. BYU recently won a $450 million settlement from Pfizer for that discovery, an award that could have easily been MUCH larger, considering Celebrex is one of the most financially successful drugs of all time, bringing in revenues of perhaps $35 billion, according to court papers.

    That's just one example of the significant research going on at BYU, which may not be as extensive as research at the U, but is every bit as significant.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 19, 2013 8:22 p.m.

    Maybe instead of waiting for a leadership change the decision makers are waiting to see if Bronco can actually beat Utah in a head to head game.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    June 20, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    @2fer

    How's that cold fusion research coming along?