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BYU football: Texas Tech could face NCAA sanction after Wes Welker tweets at potential BYU recruit

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  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    June 12, 2013 5:19 p.m.

    Dumb comment from someone that should know better. Not a fan of his anymore.

    Not sure how Texas Tech could have stopped this. Can't see punishing the school for a dumb comment from someone that matches his own omment. If TT did this I can see an issue but do not punish the school and the players for someone elses mistake that really they have no control over.

    Let the kid decide where he wants to play football.

  • SportsCenter Olympus Cove, Utah
    June 12, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    AZ Blue & Red

    This is exactly the type of illegal recruiting activity NCAA rules are supposed to prevent. It may only be a minor violation, but it's a slippery slope when boosters start recruiting players.

  • guitarboy South Jordan, UT
    June 12, 2013 6:14 p.m.

    AZ Blue & Red - great comment, very balanced. I applaud your comment.

    I take it you don't spend much time on the boards at sltrib.com, I probably would have noticed. Not as much blue-red balance over there.

  • Pendergast Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Wes Welker < Zach Thomas

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    June 12, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    RE: AZ Blue & Red

    I agree that Texas Tech could not have stopped this from happening. But that is the nature of NCAA rules.

    He may have a good point about BYU not putting a lot of receivers into the NFL, but he chose the wrong forum to share his opinion and may end up costing his alma mater.

    Of course, the reason BYU doesn't put impact receivers into the NFL is because they rarely have athletes of Collie's caliber. Plus, when BYU's offense has been really good, they usually lean heavily on the Tight End position. And BYU has sent some pretty good TEs to the NFL.

  • bdckpakccd Plano, TX
    June 12, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    Boosters and alumni "encouraging" athletes to participate in a certain university's program MUST be controlled by the university. If they can't control them, you end up with an old-school SMU. Welker has been through the system himself---he knows better.

  • localblue Sandy, UT
    June 12, 2013 7:20 p.m.

    As a die-hard BYU fan I don't have any problems with Welker's comments. He's just trying to recruit a kid to his alma mater and saying the same things to the kid anybody else would. That said, rules are rules and Welker is a booster and therefore limited in what he can say.

  • Blue Rampage Salt Lake City, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:00 p.m.

    I am just anxious to know about Welker's 50 other reasons. Somebody needs to do an interview and get those on paper.

  • hamaca Baton Rouge, LA
    June 12, 2013 9:03 p.m.

    I agree that it is inherently unfair to punish Texas Tech for Welker's actions. Problem is, there is no other way to address it--no other approach would have any teeth. It's the threat of disciplinary action against the school that keeps boosters under control and compliant.

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:14 p.m.

    I totally agree with hamaca. That's the nature of the NCAA and its rules.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 12, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    I am guessing that both Collie and Pitta (who often plays as a reciever in addition to his TE duties) would take issue with Welker's statement, but they also know the rules and won't pull a Welker stunt...

    Furthermore,Kurtz will be replacing Cody Hoffman from BYU who will be a first rounder next year...

    So what happened with Tech's big Reciever in the 2013 draft??? His name is Darrin Moore and he wasn't selected... He signed with Dallas after the draft was over and is a long shot to even make the team.

    Who does Tech have for their future? great question, Since Kurtz will already be busy leading the Receiving attack for the Cougars...

    Nuff said.

  • IndeMak South Jordan, UT
    June 12, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    Someone hurry and defend BYU. Hurry.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 12, 2013 10:07 p.m.

    It almost sounds to me like Kurtz kind of blew Welker off. If I were a WR I would look at the here and now in terms of programs. I'm sure Cody Hoffman talked with Kurtz and showed him what it's like to put up big numbers as the go-to-guy at BYU. I also agree with poyman...Hoffman is a 2nd round pick at least, and possibly 1st round whereas TT has not had a great NFL type receiver since Crabtree and honestly don't have a real strong history themselves in draft picks at the WR position. And who does Welker think he is anyway? It's not like he's a star, and he wouldn't be the receiver he is without Tom Brady. I hope Kurtz will take what he sees and follow his heart on this one, and not some 5'7 system receiver.

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    June 12, 2013 11:06 p.m.

    Dumb move by Welker. If the young man is smart enough to get into BYU, he is smart enough to know how many receivers the program puts in the NFL or if that even matters to him.

    What I do find ironic is some of the posts above trashing Welker as a receiver. Just because he made a poor choice in his tweets doesn't have anything to do with his NFL skills. Yes, cougsanddawgs, he is a star. 10 years in the league, 5 times with more than 100 catches, 18 games with 10 or more catches, a very talented punt returner, and a salary over $9MM a year. If Collie put up the same numbers you would have him in the Hall of Fame.

  • THE MTN MAN Taylorsville, UT
    June 12, 2013 11:47 p.m.

    It's actually kinda nice that Welker sent the Austin Collie article. A great example of a WR who tore it up at BYU and then had some success in the NFL. If Kurtz read the article, it would probably push him MORE towards than BYU.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    June 12, 2013 11:54 p.m.

    Welker drops another one.

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    June 13, 2013 6:25 a.m.

    Recruiting should be fair and I agree that booster should not recruit, but how do you stop it? We had a young lady in my ward who was being recruited for track at a number of PAC 10 schools. Everyone in the ward wanted her to go to BYU. She is a sprinter and her mother was on the Olympic team for the Philippines. She choose to go to Washington State. She didn't want to be any farther from home than that.

    A major problem we have in this country is we hold one person or entity accountable for something that somebody else did. A young lady gets off of a bus, and a drunk driver hits and kills her, we sue the bus company when we discover that the drunk driver had no money. They use the excuse that the bus was not perfect to go after them. (What bus or person is perfect for that matter?)

    We should only hold people accountable for what they do, not for what others do.

  • RBB Sandy, UT
    June 13, 2013 6:32 a.m.

    As a Ute, I'd pick Provo over Lubbock - 365 reasons.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    June 13, 2013 6:44 a.m.

    Thank you, Wes!

    Kurtz will some day thank you, too, for pushing him over the edge to BYU history!

  • bradleyc Layton, UT
    June 13, 2013 7:49 a.m.

    BYU is a great school. I hope he comes, if BYU wants him that is.

  • JBQ Saint Louis, MO
    June 13, 2013 8:06 a.m.

    Actually, this is a slap at BYU from Welker. Very unfortunate. How could the NCAA sanction TT? I guess that in a world where a school was sanctioned for allowing a female athlete to "wash her car" on campus puts everything in play.

  • bdckpakccd Plano, TX
    June 13, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    It isn't ridiculous to punish a program for the actions of a booster. PLEASE think back to the "glory" days of SMU. They were a very small school that had the best team money could buy. The program USED the boosters intentionally to provide cars, cushy jobs, parties, and countless other "enticements" to go to SMU. How did it get started? I'm sure it was just "harmless" conversations to "encourage" recruits. The NCAA rules are the reaction to years and years of cheating----universities MUST rein in their boosters or be subject to penalty. This is a fact of life for all NCAA-sanctioned programs and Texas Tech is no exception.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    CO Ute:
    "Yes, cougsanddawgs, he is a star. 10 years in the league, 5 times with more than 100 catches, 18 games with 10 or more catches, a very talented punt returner, and a salary over $9MM a year. If Collie put up the same numbers you would have him in the Hall of Fame".

    I realize you are probably a Bronco fan and want to give Welker as much praise as you can, but he is a system WR that put up a lot of numbers having one of the best QBs in history throwing to him. He will probably be successful with Peyton Manning for the same reason. I can't imagine someone asking "who are the star receivers in the NFL" and Welkers name being widely brought up, unless you're talking fantasy league where numbers are all that matter. Without Tom Brady, Welker would be a returner and 4/5 WR. And no, I wouldn't have Collie in the Hall of Fame because I realize a lot of his success was due to Manning...but nice to know that you know my opinions and thoughts on the matter.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    June 13, 2013 9:04 a.m.

    @CO Ute,

    How do you know Collie wouldn't have had the same success (or better) and put up the same numbers if he wasn't hurt, have ten years in the league, and have a quarterback that throws to him for as many times as Welker had? You can't honestly sit there and ridiculed the kid for not having the same opportunity, can you? I think Collie is just as talented, and given the same opportunity without the unfortunate injuries he had, he would've excelled or may have even done better. Cut the kid some slacks dude! Don't just hate on him just because he went to BYU.

    Go Cougs! And good luck to the Utes too!

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    June 13, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    Great athletes almost always find their way to top (i.e. Fischer, Central Michigan, #1 NFL pick). Kurtz ability to play in the NFL will be based on 1.) his ability, 2.) the system (does he get enough opportunities to shine), and 3.) exposure.

    We know enough about Anae, to know that the WR will have plenty of opportunities. We know less about Kingsbury and what type of offense he'll run.

    We know BYU is getting plenty of exposure with their new deal with ESPN, much more than TT.

    I'm betting BYU will have more WR drafted in the NFL next year than TT.

    As a Texan, I can also tell you, I'd much rather live in Provo than Lubbick.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    CO ute:
    Btw the point is what Texas Tech can do for Kurtz' career. Wes Welker was undrafted, and the only decent WR drafted from TT the last couple decades is Crabtree. So the point is Welker is making a weak argument about BYU when TT isn't a shining example of how to get receivers into the NFL. Welkers comment was dumb to begin with, but when analyzed and put into perspective regarding TT's history of NFL receivers it's just ridiculous.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    I could go on Twitter right now and find 1000 BYU violations of a similar kind. Maybe not high profile guys like Welker, but there are boosters who use Twitter to reach out to players and "persuade" them all the time. Anyone remember Chicago to Provo? How about the "we've got everything we need in this town but Parker Style." Go on any big recruit's twitter feed and you'll see thousands of violations likes this. It doesn't make what Welker did right at all, but how does the NCAA plan to police all of the illegal activity on Twitter?

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 13, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    Welker's comments...phooey. As for the Y and their receivers, his comments are not completely unfounded. Collie is a good slot receiver but unfortunatley his health will likely force him to retirment, thus there will not be any Y receivers (more than likely) in the NFL. Pitta is awesome, love watching him play, but he is a TE and not a WR, thus Welker's comments gain more traction. As for predicting that Hoffman is a 1st or 2nd round receiver, that is a very bold statement at this time. Let's see how he fares this year before making that prediction. He is a skilled WR with great hands and speed, but unfortunately scouts look at big programs first and since the Y will be playing some big programs this year, his exposure will be greater and then a good measuring stick will help determine his NFL future.

    Go UTES!!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    June 13, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    UU32

    "I could go on Twitter right now and find 1000 BYU violations of a similar kind. Maybe not high profile guys like Welker, but there are boosters who use Twitter to reach out to players and "persuade" them all the time. Anyone remember Chicago to Provo? How about the 'we've got everything we need in this town but Parker Style.'"

    Nice try, but you obviously don't understand the NCAA rules regarding boosters contacting recruits. The "Chicago to Provo" campaign was carefully examined by BYU's compliance office to ensure that it did not break ANY NCAA recruiting rules.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    June 13, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    Wookie:
    I agree with most of what you said, but the Hoffman draft predictions are from Kiper and McShay who have him projected in the 2nd round. Also if you look at Hoffmans stats his best games have come against the better teams on BYUs schedule...he's torched the utes twice. I mean the fact he had 100 receptions and over 1200 yards with Riley Nelson at QB should be telling enough lol.

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    June 13, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    I drove through Lubbock once. Longest week of my life.

  • Cougar Passion Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    My understanding of how recruiting violations are determined is the type of person (if money is not involved) doing the "recruiting". So, a faceless/nameless person such as myself could try to get someone to go to BYU, as could thousands of other generic fans, without incurring the wrath of the NCAA. But a former player with a recognizable profile, or another person of similar influence, would run afoul of the NCAA for the same attempts at persuasion. That said, BYU has indeed said people need to be careful about what they say on social networking sites to potential recruits, to be on the safe side.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 13, 2013 11:07 a.m.

    Cougsndawgs

    Lol, and I agree completely. Who knows what his stats would have looked like had he had a true Y QB that can throw the ball out of the stadium. As for experts, well they didn't have Ziggy even listed this early last year and Star was their number 1 and look how that turned out. A lot can happen between now and then is all I am saying.

    Thanks

    Go UTES!

  • I-am-I South Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    I'd have to agree with Welker. I can think up several reasons. There are worse schools to go to than BYU, but if you have the option of going and playing for a successful team with a heisman trophy quarterback on the roster or the option to play for a mediocre team struggling to find an identity that hasn't been able to put a quarterback on the field for 3+ years which one would you choose especially if going pro is your priority. It's a no brainer. This kid should go to Texas Tech barring one variable--he won't play.

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 13, 2013 11:57 a.m.

    Lubbock, Texas is, after all, the hometown of the great Buddy Holly!

  • Herbert Gravy Salinas, CA
    June 13, 2013 12:05 p.m.

    Are there no BYU alums on the Denver Broncos that could "educate" Mr. Welker?

  • atl134 Salt Lake City, UT
    June 13, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    @I-am-I
    " There are worse schools to go to than BYU, but if you have the option of going and playing for a successful team with a heisman trophy quarterback on the roster"

    You're thinking of Texas A&M not Texas Tech.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:10 p.m.

    All the y fans that jumped on the Welker and Kurtz twitter feed, and bashed Welker and and tried to convince Kurtz that provo was the place for him. Broke the same rules as Welker and could put the y under ncaa investigation. Being most of the fans are considered boosters.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:27 p.m.

    The other issue is that a lot of the people who jumped on Welker's case are also considered donors and any of the tweet's encouraging that he come to BYU are also violations.

  • UU32 Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:33 p.m.

    SportsFan - Try again. Go read up on the rules and trust something other than Cougarboard for your information. The Chicago to Provo campaign broke all kinds of rules and BYU had to register it as a minor infraction. BYU also asked Ryan Shupe (sp?) to take down his song about Jabari because it was a violation. The funny thing about all the "good intentions" of those campaigns was that in the end Jabari himself thought it was "too much" and it actually pushed him further from BYU rather than closer. Fans / Boosters need to leave the recruiting up to the coaches.

    U25 - exactly right. More infractions followed the Welker comments than the Welker comment itself.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    June 13, 2013 1:49 p.m.

    Dumb thing to do, but it's true.

  • abf North Salt Lake, UT
    June 13, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    It was just a tweet. Give me a break.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 13, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    True story, "its on the internet" but supposedly U boosters have been contacting Y recruits seeking to have them play for Utah State in an effort to place blame on Boise State because they are pretending to be Southern Utah University Professional NFL players. Crazy but true.

    GO UTES!!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    June 13, 2013 5:49 p.m.

    Your not to smart if you dis BYU.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    June 13, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Seriously Welker - spend 10 days in Provo , look at the scenery - campus and chat up people on campus and tell me you'd tell someone to spend their college career in Lubbock at TT. Good grief ! Guns Down !

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    June 13, 2013 6:33 p.m.

    Welker was a fool for doing what he did. Because of his high profile, and his experience with the system, he should have known better.

    That being said, what he did was no different than what many byu boosters did that same day. All of the boosters that tweeted this kid in response to Welker's tweet are guilty, just the same as Welker. Don't wish for penalties on Texas Tech, it might come back to bite. But it most likely will have zero consequences one way or the other, because every program has boosters that tweet recruits.

    I doesn't take much for you to be considered a "booster" by the NCAA. If you are a donor to the school or if you have season tickets, for example, you are a booster.

    Regardless, I hope the kid goes anywhere but Texas Tech, even if it means byu.

    Go Utes!

  • Utahute72 Tooele, UT
    June 13, 2013 8:37 p.m.

    Wouldn't those BYU fans tweeting the recruit be guilty of the same offense as Welker? Just another reason to stay off twitter and facebook with recruits.

  • Osgrath Provo, UT
    June 13, 2013 10:15 p.m.

    RBB, you made me laugh. I have driven through Lubbock. Wow. People really live there.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 13, 2013 11:18 p.m.

    I'm a huge BYU fan who spends half the year in Texas... Believe it or not, Techville is a popular place for young Texans...

    The term "College Town" takes on a whole new meaning in Lubbock and to be honest with you, I have never talked with or met a former Red Raider that didn't absolutely love his or her former school... The Alumni following for this school is almost cultish... Saturdays in the fall for Red Raider Alumni are considered holy days and these people fill up stadiums, local sports bars, and fellow Red Raider Alumni Living Rooms with big screen surround sound TV/Entertainment systems like no other school alumnis that I've ever seen... And the world stops for them while the game is being played.

    If you're a young recruit it can be easy to get caught up in all of that ... SO DON'T UNDERESTIMATE their ability to excite and sign potential players (particularly QBs and Receivers)

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    June 13, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    @wookie...

    While Pitta is listed as a TE and appears as the starting TE on the the teams depth chart, J. Harbaugh will also use him as a mid-range Receiver (10 to 20 yards) and bring Dickson in at the TE position and often line them up on the same side of the ball... If you watched the Super Bowl last year you saw several plays where this occured... Dickson lines up on the line of scrimmage and Pitta will line up in a wing or slot position... The guys who broadcasted the game even spent a few minutes talking about the fact that the Ravens considered Pitta a "Hybrid TE/Receiver...

    Not that any of this makes any difference in this conversation, but when a remark is made that there are no BYU Receivers in the League... It deserves mentioning... And, I fully expect Collie to be back on the field this year for somebody... In fact, I would not be surprised if P. Manning lobbies for him and he ends up a Bronco.

  • Wookie Omaha, NE
    June 14, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    Poyman:

    Good points but Pitta is a TE. He may play roles similar to Vernon Davis of the 9ers or other TE in the league, he is still a TE. I like how they create mismatches with the use of Pitta. Most LBs are too slow and DB are too small. He is a heckuva player.

    Truthfully, I hope that Collie doesn't get picked up by a team. His view of life is very shortsighted. Ask Jim McMann (sp?) what he thinks about concussions.

    Go UTES!!

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    June 18, 2013 9:27 a.m.

    'The funny thing about all the "good intentions" of those campaigns was that in the end Jabari himself thought it was "too much" and it actually pushed him further from BYU rather than closer. Fans / Boosters need to leave the recruiting up to the coaches.'

    Oh, so he was headed to BYU until he thought it was or would be "too much"? Thanks for clarifying, I was under the delusion that he had decided he wanted to play for Coach K.