Aw yeah, bring it on! Let's have a great year this year!
An interesting and very positive article about BYU football. Thank you Lafe
Peavler for a well written article. There are a lot of growing reasons to be
optimistic about BYU football this season. Sadly, that also seems to scare their
critics and bring them out of the woodwork. That means we will
probably soon be hearing from Chris B and his fellow Ute trolls with their
off-the-wall criticisms about anything BYU... even if it has nothing at all to
do with this article. Maybe, just maybe, we'll get lucky this time and they
will give it a rest. But my hopes aren't too high. They've
demonstrated an obvious and true obsession in the past.
Anyone know if the games will actually be played on the field this season?
Herbert,Yes they will, but that is more just a formality these
days.After 3 in a row including 54-10 at your place when players and
fans alike went into hiding and ran away, our seniors are on the verge of a 4-0
perfect sweep over byu.I wonder what it feels like to never beat
your rival?LOL!That must be the most embarrassing thing
that could happen for any college football player, a big goose egg against your
Okay, a little sarcasm never hurts.You mean this years schedule is
harder than the 1984 Championship season for BYU? You mean to win the national
title game they will have to beat a team that was 6-5 when they played and 6-6
after their win. A team that wasn't even the best team in the BIG-10?
This is unheard of. I am not certain how they will fare.GO UTES!!
Not a huge fan of Alisa's game, but Williams is the real-deal. That kid is
going to break records at BYU if he stays in the college game long enough. He
is only going to get bigger and faster which should be scary for a lot of other
teams. Not convinced by Anae and his offense though. Time will tell.Go UTES!!
Re: Chris B @ 9:57 am"Look for Williams to follow in Unga's
footsteps.It's only a matter of time before he's shown the
door."Less likely to happen than the PAC showing your place
holding, done nothing UTES the door; especially if the Big 12 gets its waiver to
have a championship game with only 10 teams in the conference.Oh no,
he comes the spin cycle on the Ute "fans" BCS washing machine....once
again. The only thing they serve on a one item menu; it different forms of
course (half baked, baked, fried or just plain poached).
I'll take a cupcake and a couple of turnovers off byu's menu.I've been having them for a quarter of a century, and they just get more
delicious every year.Go Utes.
Both NFL quality backs who will establish a dominant BYU running game.
Nearly every paragraph contained the the phrase "should be." As in the
two RBs should be a threat together in the back field, Anae's offense
should be better than what we saw from Doman, the offensive line should be
improved, and Hill should be a better QB than Riley. Instead what I hear is that
you see a lot of question marks heading in to the season.Is Hill a
competent passer? His ypa & ypc were not stellar and he never completed
anything down field, but he did show impressive speed and skill running. Are we
destined to see more option offense? (Please, no). Is the line
really better? Alisa, when healthy, is an effective back. Williams, we saw, has
it in him to be very good, but the line was bad last year and it is hard success
running the ball without a good O-line. Not to mention that it is hard to tell,
before the season starts, whether or not JC guys are going to be an upgrade over
guys who were considered D-1 talent out of high school.I am
optimistic, but these are the things I will be watching as the season
To ekute:Do you really want to start commenting about BYU and
Utah's records and opponents from several decades ago? It will be iffy if
I'm allowed to like you have, but here's an actual fact to ponder
on...Going back to the timeframe that you've brought up, and
when LaVell Edwards became BYU's coach, BYU went on 19-2 winning dominance
of Utah. It's easy to verify in the record books. So just exactly who was
the "cupcake" during the timeframe you've referenced?? And speaking of "turnovers", it was only just a few of those that kept
BYU from beating Utah in 2 of their last 3 games when BYU also had more
offensive yardage. Hardly any recent dominance by Utah using any objective
Great article Des News. I look forward to a geta season in Provo.The
saddest part is that there is nothing at all interesting about Utah football to
write about. Maybe Des News could make something up just to give Crissy,
ekeute, and Naval Vet something to comment about. OH well, maybe next year but
Mildred:We all know you're using your obvious and VERY tired
sarcasm again, but don't be surprised if and when Williams does become a
successful NFL running back. He's getting some serious attention from a lot
of their scouts with some very impressive early college career statistics.
WookieAs with every other bowl game, BYU opponent was chosen by
somebody else!!! BYU would have loved to play UW on the field but they stuck by
their word and played in the Holiday Bowl and beat their opponent and were
rewarded for their efforts throughout the entire year!!! By the way, the mighty
Utes had their chance to knock them off on the field and could not!!! So the
Utes are as much to blame as all the voters that gave the award to BYU!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!
Chris BMaybe he will follow in Ziggy's foot steps and be picked
in the first round of the NFL draft!!! Only time will tell!!! I for one am
looking forward to watching the whole team this year and see if they can rise to
the challenge ahead!!! Maybe the third year will be the charm for the Utes and
they will finally win more conference games then they lose!!!Go
Alisa and Williams better watch out... Hine will get a few downs and after the
ensuing touchdowns will earn the starting spot
I agree Reno Cougs Fan 68. Thank you for clarifying, as it is true, they
"gave" the award to the Y as opposed to earning it. Sorry, I
couldn't resist. Truly, I was just having fun, not wanting to offend
anyone. I just find it interesting the facts surrounding the title game of 84.
Nebraska was 11-2 that year and throttled teams from the BIG 10, including those
that beat Michigan. I will say this though, the U was horrible back in the
80's. To even mention that the U had a shot is almost insulting to the Y,
they never had a prayer.GO UTES!!
Reno Cougs Fan 68:"BYU would have loved to play UW on the
field"In retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you all
to get past an unrnaked 6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y would
have "loved to play UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They
would have pounded you right out of the Top-10.
To Chris B:No... not beating your rival during your college football
career is not so embarrassing, as you've stated. But it probably would be
frustrating, especially when game statistics (more offensive yardage) show you
outplayed them in 2 of your 3 losses to them... and knowing that just a few
untimely turnovers determined the final outcome of those 2 losses. Yes, that
indeed would be frustrating... not embarrassing.However, things are
now in place for the law of averages to again kick in and BYU back on track for
another winning streak over Utah. As such, BYU's seniors will almost
certainly be leaving with that well deserved satisfaction.What would
actually be both embarrassing and frustrating is playing for a once proud
program that no longer can even qualify for a bowl game, as many current Ute
players are now experiencing. I sincerely do wish positive things in the future
for Utah and it's players, except for that one game a year against BYU.
BYU's upcoming victory over Utah would look a lot better if Utah can
somehow establish a winning record again.
No mention of Adam Hine? I watched him run some drills this last weekend with
Alisa, both backs looked really good. I would like to see Williams and Hine
getting the majority of the reps with Alisa coming in for some power run plays
and other options. It will be interesting to see how Anae incorporates such a
talented backfield into his game plan. I am excited to see the new and
hopefully improved BYU offense this Fall. With the talented RB group and some
new big guys up front, I think the running game will take a big step forward.
And man, I love seeing the obsessive Ute fans on these boards.
Since their embarrassing plummet in the PAC-12 the past 2 seasons, BYU football
is all they have. Isn't it funny how much stronger obsession and hatred is
than loyalty? Chris B, ekute, and wookie, thank you for your constant attention
to all things BYU!
@WarriorI was just going to say that the article doesn't even include
Adam Hine who performed the best during the spring (of course Williams and Alisa
didn't play much). Hine impressed many coaches. I'm looking forward to
Anae's offense, he was always about ball control and was a 50/50 pass/rush
play caller. I know a lot of Y fans think he was predictable but the numbers
speak for themselves. BYU was a much better offense with Anae, and with him
bringing the Arizona type up-tempo game it could be exciting. BYU has tremendous
talent at the skill positions, but it's all really going to hinge on the
O-line, which concerns me a little.
Than there's LaSike.
BYU doesn't mind all the nc trash talk - we got the crystal ball, and all
the talkers can talk till their "blue" in the face, doesn't change
anything. But why rank on BYU? They did everything they were
asked, and they earned what they deserved. Now how would it feel to be
Washington or Nebraska? To know that you COULD have played for the national
championship, but didn't? That instead, you took the money and hoped
Michigan would do the dirty work?Of course Utah doesn't have a
hound in that fight.
navelvet"In retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you
all to get past an unranked 6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y
would have "loved to play UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They
would have pounded you right out of the Top-10."Like they did 8
months later when BYU played Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar
demolition of the Huskies.BYU 1984 beat Michigan 24-17; Washington
1984 beat Michigan 20-11.Yeppers, that amazing two-point difference
in margin of victory certainly proves your point that UW would have pounded BYU.
@ Chris B (obsessing over all things BYU since 1996),"After 3
years in a row of losing records in conference play, including a loss to the
conference door mat at your place when players and fans alike went into hiding
and ran away, our seniors are on the verge of a 4-0 perfect sweep.I
wonder what it feels like to never play in a bowl game?LOL!That must be the most embarrassing thing that could happen for any college
football player, a big goose egg against your rival.
Again! BYU will be the reigning state champs.
Some things we don't know but the things we do know ...1. BYU
will win a majority of their games.2. utah will lose a majority of their
games.3. BYU will go to a bowl game again.4. utah will stay home
again.5. utah's running backs will not be as good as BYU's.6. chrissy, naval vet, and mildred will comment on every BYU article.
@ anti BCS"Like they did 8 months later when BYU played
Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar demolition of the Huskies." Different teams, different seasons. For that reason the comparison is
simply invalid.@ IRS Agent"I wonder what it feels
like to never play in a bowl game?"....What?@
AltaHawk5 of those things we don't know. It's just
wishful thinking on your part.
@Chris BYou don't need to wonder what it's like to never
have beaten your rival... You can simply ask the players on your basketball
team... They've lived it...Or, you can ask your football team
what it takes to generate more television viewers and general recognition in any
TV Market (including your own)than your big brothers 40 miles to the south are
able to get... I wonder if it's discouraging for them to
finally belong to a BCS Conference and still be considered a lower 2nd tier TV
Market attraction when compared to their big brother in Provo?Probably
so... I would tell them all that "I can feel their pain" but
then that wouldn't be truthful because the Cougs have never been in that
position... The Cougs have always been the most recognizable Team/Trade Mark in
the state of Utah...
Tator is right. Williams could be a high number one pick this years.
Naval Vet,A couple of facts for you... 1) Michigan won the National
Championship the next year after losing to BYU in the Holiday Bowl; and 2) The
very next game that Washington played (the firstgame of the following season)
the Huskies lost to BYU by 4 touch downs...Now don't you feel
Adam Hine will make his presence known in fall camp and in the upcoming season.
He will bring another great weapon to the arsenal. If the O-line can eliminate
its weaknesses of last year, Williams, Alisa, Hine, Lasike and Hill will pound
the ball. At present, that is a big "if". the proof will be in the
pudding this fall.
Utah is to the Pac as UTEP was to the Wac.
Poyman, know your facts. Oklahoma was the national champions in 1985. Look it
up and come prepared before you spew incorrect facts.GO UTES!!
anti BCS:"Like they did 8 months later when BYU played
Washington - oh wait, that was a 31-3 Cougar demolition of the Huskies." Wasnt' that the same year you LOST to 1-10 UTEP? Haha!
poyman:"A couple of facts for you... 1) Michigan won the
National Championship the next year after losing to BYU in the Holiday Bowl; and
2) The very next game that Washington played (the firstgame of the following
season) the Huskies lost to BYU by 4 touch downs...Now don't you feel
foolish?"Haha! Not as foolish as YOU'RE looking right
about now. In 1985, the team that won the Nat'l Championship was NOT
Michigan. It was Oklahoma. Michigan wouldn't win another title for
another 12-yrs.And the year that you beat an unranked 7-5 UWa team,
you also LOST to 1-10 UTEP! Plus beating UWa. didn't win you another NC.
You finished ranked 16th.And finally, Washington's first game
of their '85 season was a Home loss to an unranked 8-4 Oklahoma St. team;
not to the cougars. It wasn't even the cougars' first game. It was
their 3rd.So now that we've established that you had no idea
what you were talking about, don't YOU feel foolish?
Rational:The Indy-WACers are to the Utes as New Mexico St. is to the
RE:Naval VetPhiladelphia, PAYou don't know that different
teams different style of play. BYU still could of won. The fact is UW had a
chance to play BYU but wanted the money more then a National Championship.
shorts:That's a real stretch. You guys will say just about
anything to justify taking home the most laughable NC in the history of college
football. Washington beat the #6 team in the country -- IN MIAMI -- more
convincingly than the Y beat an unranked 6-6 Michigan team down to playing their
4th-string QB.You would lost, and lost BIG!
Re: Naval Vet @ 12.42 pmYou are right, Oklahoma was #1.Do you know who came in #2. It was Michigan. It must not be meaningful to you
otherwise you would have mentioned it in your response to poyman.Conclusion, nobody really cares who comes in second, third or whatever, only
#1.I wonder if the Michigan fans are still crowing about their 2nd
place finish. Or is that just what Ute fans do?
MacNasty:Michigan didn't even win the BigTen. But I suppose
that must not have been meaningful to YOU, otherwise YOU'D have mentioned
that in your response.Utah finished 2008...(1) Sugar
Bowl Champions(2) MWC Champions(3) and after beating their 4th
ranked team (2nd in the Top-10 after thoroughly routing #6 Alabama), completed
the nation's only undefeated season.Michigan finished
1985...(1) Fiesta Bowl Champions(2) BigTen runner-up(3)
and at 10-1-1, lost to the only Top-10 team they faced, and beat only 3 ranked
teams.Edge: 2008 Utah.
Re: Naval VetSpin spin and spin again Naval Vet.1985 AP
Final Poll: #2 Michigan1985 Coaches Final Poll: #2 MichiganThose are the facts Naval Vet. How you manage to throw "edge Utah" is
incredible, as in unbelievable.The point is Michigan was consensus
#2. I find it amazing that you try to minimize Michigan's number 2 ranking
determined by the national sports writers and college coaches.The
real point is that nobody cares the Utes came in #2 almost five years ago. They
were a bride's maid, not the bride. #1 is what people care about.Close matters only in horseshoes and gernades, not football.
Re: Naval Vet @ 1:11 pm'Michigan didn't even win the
BigTen. But I suppose that must not have been meaningful to YOU, otherwise
YOU'D have mentioned that in your response."You know Naval
Vet, YOU ARE ABSOLUTELY RIGHT! I don't care and neither does anybody else.
Nobody cares about #2 and nobody cares about comparing #2 rankings from 1985 and
2008.So, you are right and I agree with you, I don't care.
Re: Naval VetIn 1985 Michigan was a consensus #2.In 2008
Utah was not a consensus #2. AP final Poll: Utah @4USA Today
Coaches Poll: Utah #4Those are the facts. In the end, numbers,
statistics, comparison minutia are meaningless.
MacNasty: No need to compare apples with oranges. Who cares about
1985 or 2008. What I was merely pointing out, and I am sorry for stirring the
pot, is that the Y's 1984 NC was based upon beating a 6-5 team. Let's
be honest with one another, that was a gift to the Y as there was arguably more
deserving teams. At a minimum, we can agree that Michigan should not have been
the measuring stick for determining the NC nor should that game been deemed
Navel VetJust to remind you it was UW that declined an invite to play #1
BYU in the Holiday Bowl not the other way around! If you can remember what the
result of the game between the two schools the very next season? I believe BYU
beat UW soundly!!!Go Cougs!!!Go Utes!!!
@Naval Vet"That's a real stretch. You guys will say just
about anything to justify taking home the most laughable NC in the history of
college football. Washington beat the #6 team in the country -- IN MIAMI -- more
convincingly than the Y beat an unranked 6-6 Michigan team down to playing their
4th-string QB.You would lost, and lost BIG!"See
comments like this make other comments from you irrelevant... They carry zero
credibility...As I have already pointed out, Michigan finished 2nd
in the National Polls the following season after the Cougs beat them for the
National Championship in 1984... They lost to Iowa by 2 pts early in the season
and that gave Oklahoma (who lost to Miami by 2 touchdowns early in the season)
the edge... as Michigan also had a tie with Illinois... BYU followed
up their NC in 1985 with a #16th finish in the polls... Utah was nowhere near
the same caliber as either Michigan or BYU...Oh, and as I also
pointed out BYU beat Washington 31-3 in both team's first game of the
following year.So your comments hold no water... again.
Wookie,"Poyman, know your facts. Oklahoma was the national
champions in 1985. Look it up and come prepared before you spew incorrect
facts."If you're going to call people out, at least try to
be honest when you do it... The fact that Michigan finished 2nd in the polls in
1985 vs #1 doesn't change the meaning of my comment at all and you know
it... A person interested in honest dialoge would have told the
whole story and not gotten on their holy soap box and I think you know exactly
what I mean...
MacNasty:"I don't care and neither does anybody else.
Nobody cares about #2."...said the jealous, frantic and
emotional Indy-WACer who just an hour earlier said, "Do you know who came in
#2. It was Michigan."You sure seemed to care about that THEN!"...nobody cares about comparing #2 rankings from 1985 and
2008."...said the jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer who
less than half an hour later also said, "In 1985 Michigan was a consensus
#2...In 2008 Utah was not a consensus #2."Lots of hypocrisy and
positional contradictions. Yep. Pretty standard for your typical Y fan.
navelvet,You make me smile and sometimes even chuckle...You come on the Cougar Board, get pummeled for our Coug bashing and twisting
of the facts and then call BYU fans "frantic" and "emotional
Indy-WACers" and Hypocritical when we all give you legitimate and solid
responses to your claims about BYU played lesser opponents on their way to a
NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP in 1984... That is disingenuous by any definition and
funny to boot...If a Coug fan went and did the same thing that you
have done on a Ute board... They would be classified as Envious or Jealous and
probably rightfully so... So what does that say about your comments? You just
can't handle the truth... BYU won the 1984 National Championship... In
1984The Polls showed that BYU was the best College Football team in all the
land... There is nothing wrong with admitting that, and Coug fans who support
and defend this recognitionare NOT Jealous, I assure you.
Poyman, I do not know what you mean to be quite honest with you. Please
explain, I'm curious as to your comment. I think stating "holy"
has many implications. For example, are you a Y fan? If so are you representing
its values morals beliefs and convictions with your contentious statements? I am
sorry and will apologize again for my comments about playing a 6-5 team to win
the NC, I had no idea it would stir up a debate like this especially when I
stated it in sarcasm, and indicated as such. I am a fan of the Y. I support
the Y in every game except against one opponent (the U :) and admire the
institution and its values. What is hard to stomach is individuals who claim
that the Y sports is a missionary tool yet some of their fans behavior would say
otherwise. So what do you mean about holy? I'm curious.Go
Wookie...Your comments about BYU winning the 1984 Championship was
meant to demean or lessen the accomplishment...You were obviously trying to say
that BYU's win over Michigan was not an appropriate test for the Cougs and
one that would warrant crowning BYU the NC... Your comment would also imply that
other teams were more deserving, specifically the winner of the OU and U-Dub
game in the Orange Bowl which was Washington (btw, I have a Masters degree from
the U of W and I happen to like that team as well)...My comments
were to justify Michigan as a worthy opponent and to argue that Washington was
not more deserving than BYU... So I mistakingly said that Michigan won the NC
and that BYU crushed Washington the very next year... You called me out by
correcting me in a "rude and codesending fashion" by saying Oklahoma won
the NC in 1985 and that I needed to learn my facts before "spewing"...
But then fail to point out that Michigan finished a consensus #2 which you and I
know equally proves my point..."Holy" in this context means
that you think that you are above the fray... You're not.
Poyman:You are assuming my friend. My comment, as most of the Y
fans on here know me, was not to demean. I was teasing and having fun. I think
everyone agrees, Y and U fans alike (at least those with logic) that beating a
6-5 team regardless how they faired the following year (as we all know every
year in college football is different for each team unless your the current
Alabama or Nebraska of the 90's) was not the team to use a measuring stick
for a NC. I am not saying the Y was not deserving. Rather, they should have
had to play a stronger opponent (one that finished in the top of their
conference at a minimum) to garnder the NC award. I am not claiming
I am Holy my friend, you are the one who brought up the subject. I apologize for
my sarcasm leading to this discussion. Your actions, although who I am to
judge, tend to fly in the face of what you supposedly stand for? GO
RE: Black&BlueNo need to clump Wookie in with the anti-BYU
trolls, he's a legitimate Utah fan that is knowledgeable about both BYU and
Utah and is pretty objective. Cheers.
poyman:Don't go blaming wookie for YOUR mistake. YOU were
wrong. Own it. Otherwise, you end up looking very small.
@Wookie...Can't help yourself can you???You start
out with a rational explanation of why you said what you said , but then imply
that my comments are irrational... You then conclude by implying that my defense
of the NC pushes me into a behavioral zone that's not appropriate for that
of a BYU fan...You need to get off high horse my friend.I don't consider myself or anyone else "illogical" or
"unreasonable" because they don't buy your premises... You
apparently don't believe that the success or failure of a team's
future season (one year later) can be predicted by the performance of the
previous year... I Do... And yet you and your buddies were indignant over the
assertion that the Alabama team you beat in the 2008 Sugar Bowl was not a
reputable opponent despite the fact that they lost their QB, most of their
Offensive Line, started 16 Freshman and were apathetic after losing the SEC
Championship to Florida... Your people quickly stated that those Freshmen won
subsequent NCs. Sound familiar?Perhaps my friend, you would do well
to stop admonishing people on how they should act or talk and stop catagorizing
navalvet, I have to take your word for that, because when it comes
to looking small, you're the undeniable expert...
@navalvetYou continue to make my day... I can't help but smile
or chuckle everytime you write something... Looking small based on content is
something that you, and Chris B, and AZUTE look like everytime you make a
comment.I'm curoious, how do you get time to be on the BYU
bords all day long??? Do you get a kick out of stating falsehoods and then
seeing the Coug fans respond? Objectivity is an important ingredient
in debate... Without it, people lose credibility for their comments...
eventually people stop reading them... and then you become troll without a
home... I think you are very close to being there for most Coug fans... As for
me, I have decided to stop reading your stuff... it's only designed to be
hurtful and is spun so tightly that the facts you try to discuss are not even
recognizable... If you write to me, I'll respond... Other than that, your
hate is meaningless... So please do us all a favor and troll elsewhere.
Wiscougarfan: Thank you, as I have felt the same regarding your posts as well.
Poyman, I am not certain how to respond to your latest ranting and
raving about the quality opponent Utah played in Alabama when they won the Sugar
Bowl. I said nothing about the Utah-Alabama game, nor the outcome, nor how and
where Utah ranked thereafter. I am sorry to have stirred you up on
this NC discussion. Our conversation is fruitless and pointless, thus I
don't see a need to continue. I am on no high-horse nor have I ever
stepped upon one, rather my attempt to infuse some sarcasm on this article
failed miserably as is evidenced by behavior that is not becoming, to which I
apologize for my part. I truly hope that Williams tears it up this
year (except one game) and shows why he was recruited by some high-profile
football programs. Go UTES!!
@ Wookie...Thank you for your last post... Statements and Apologies
without condesention or condition are appreciated and welcomed... As i stated
before I said that Michigan finihed #1 in 1985 when in fact they finished #2 and
so I do appreciate that correction... My defense of the 1984 NC
perhaps was over energized and from the looks of things you were probably not
deserving of the full counter-attack so for that I also apologize.I
have since read a number of your posts and most of them are polite, courteous
and objective according to fact or according to how you see the world and I
appreciate that... It will help me in looking at your written contributions in
the future... Thanks, and best of luck to you guys this year (except for
"It has been a long time since BYU has had a standout running back . .
."How about it has been a long time since BYU has had a standout
quarterback? If anything the run game has been the reason BYU has had ANY
offense the past several seasons.
So if the 1985 scUM team finishing #2 helps prove BYU deserved its national
championship in 1984 then doesnt't 2009 Alabama finishing #1 further
Utah's case in 2008? Also the Huskies finished 7-6 in '85 instead of
11-1 in '84 and were unranked when they played BYU.
poyman:"See comments like this make other comments from you
irrelevant... They carry zero credibility..."....said the
jealous, frantic and emotional Indy-WACer who claimed Michigan won the 1985
Nat'l Championship. poyman = "zero credibility". Typical
hypocritical coug."They lost to Iowa by 2 pts early in the
season and that gave Oklahoma the edge... as Michigan also had a tie with
Illinois..."As I pointed out earlier, Michigan didn't even
win the BigTen. As I pointed out earlier, back in '85, the Y lost to 1-10
UTEP. As I pointed out earlier, the 7-5 '85 UWa. team was a COMPLETELY
different team than their 11-1 '84 squad, and the 10-1-1 '85 Michigan
team was a COMPLETELY different team than their 6-6 '84 squad. So beating
the 6-6 Michigan team does NOT suggest you would have been competitive with the
10-1-1 team, and beating the 7-5 UWa. team does NOT suggest you would have been
competitive with the 11-1 team.STRUGGLING with a 6-6 Michigan team -
who was down to playing their 4th string QB - suggests you would NOT have fared
well vs. a 11-1 UWa. squad.
"Naval VetPhiladelphia, PAReno Cougs Fan 68:"BYU would have loved to play UW on the field"In
retrospect, seeing as how difficult it was for you all to get past an unrnaked
6-5 Michigan team, I doubt seriously that the Y would have "loved to play
UW" in the Holiday Bowl back in '84. They would have pounded you right
out of the Top-10."But it never happened and that is why Naval
is here, to right the wrong....
"However, things are now in place for the law of averages to again kick in
and BYU back on track for another winning streak over Utah. As such, BYU's
seniors will almost certainly be leaving with that well deserved
satisfaction."Tators, I'm not sure they are. BYU has
struggled in recruiting really since the class that brought in Heaps and Apo.
Utah hasn't been stellar by any means either but, they've done better
than BYU lately.
navel,Beating teams in Bowls who DIDN"T win their conference and
then claiming that you are deserving of an NC as a Result??? BYU was
#1 coming into the Holiday Bowl and other contenders refused invitations, so
yes, Beating Michigan was enough to cement it...For Utah in 2008
however... Beating the SEC's #2 team just simply was not enough and all of
the Pollsters recognized that... In fact, those Pollsters had a tough time even
giving the Utes a consensus #2 ranking... In fact, it wasn't a consensus
was it? That must have hurt...I would say I feel your pain, but that hasn't
ever happened to us, so I guess I can't...When we had an
undefeated season the Pollsters gave us the NC... Recognizing BYU as the very
best College Football Team in the entire country... And, I have to tell you, as
a fan, it was a great honor... I'm sorry that you guys never got to feel
that... In fact, all the losing that you have been going through lately must be
hard... Again, I would say I feel your pain but I really can't because we
haven't been doing that...
How does every BYU article always end up in a debate about 1984? As BYU fans
have stated before (especially Wiscougarfan who's earned my respect with
his knowledge and pragmatism) they won the NC in 1984 as much for their
successes in 1983 and the years leading up to 1984. BYU had the longest win
streak in the nation, and a top 15 streak of all time. I also agree with wookie
who I've also come to respect, it would have meant more if BYU had played a
more worthy opponent in the Holiday Bowl. That said, I agree with other posters
that BYU and the holiday bowl did everything in their power to play UW and OU
but were turned down. So while I believe it would have given more credibility to
BYUs NC to beat a higher ranked opponent, who can you blame when the highest
ranked opponents shied away? BYU stood proud and said "bring it on",
while the supposed great and "more deserving" teams walked away...I
think that should count for something, and apparently the voters agreed.
poyman:"Beating teams in Bowls who DIDN"T win their
conference and then claiming that you are deserving of an NC as a
Result???"Typical Indy-WACey strawman. Can you please
cut-&-paste a direct quote from me wherein I said we deserved the 2008
NC?Furthermore, strawman aside, there's a HUGE difference in
suggesting a 2nd-ranked 13-0 Utah team dominating a 6th-ranked 12-2 Alabama team
(who was narrowly edged by the #1-ranked 13-1 Florida team in the SEC
championship game) in the Sugar Bowl was more deserving of a national title than
a 13-0 cougar team who played a cupcake schedule, and narrowly edged an unranked
6-6 Michigan team who was down to playing their 4th string QB in the Holiday
Bowl. And the fact is, you agree with that. You won't "admit it",
but you DO believe it. And that's why you're constantly trolling for
validation for backing in to the most laughable NC in the history of college
football. Just look at your dialogue with Wookie. You got all belligerent with
him at first, than backpedalled upon believing you'd been validated.