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Gov. Gary Herbert tells Washington committee: Let us manage our land

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  • Oatmeal Woods Cross, UT
    May 21, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    To Governor Herbert: But WHO pays for it?

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    IMO when government beurocrats (most having never even VISITED Utah) think they care more about managing our land, and think THEY know how to do it better than the people who live on it, live next to it, depend on it to support their very lives and the lives of their families... we have a problem.

    Of course the Washington ALWAYS knows best;-) But I would think the people who live in the State where the land is located may even know more about the land and have some opinions about how to best care for it.

    Washington SHOULD let the States manage their land. Just my opinion.

  • HS Fan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:28 p.m.

    There not Utah's land. They're America's land. Enough of this silliness.

  • lket Bluffdale, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    yes if the state ran the lands a lot of money would be made by big companies and they would make much of it private for the very rich. look how our gravel pits operate in the valley under no confines at all how much of the mountain can they dig up? look at the copper mine and think how are they going to fix the huge hole. they will do nothing and it will end up being the tax payer that will have to fill the hole and fix problem

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    I have learned from long, sorry experience that the "leadership" of Utah cannot be trusted with much of anything.

  • 2 bits Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 21, 2013 1:08 p.m.

    HS Fan
    Spoken like a true heal-clicking Nationalist. But the US Constitution would not agree with you (That all land is America's land).
    1. The Constitution clearly guarantees private property rights (not communal ownership of all land).
    2. The Constitution clearly guarantees State's Rights (not national dominion over all things).

    You can say "There not Utah's land. They're America's land"... but broad statements like that are not neccessarily true. There IS a concept of State Controled land, and Federally controled land (no matter if you want to believe it or not). There is also private property. There is also the concept of States Rights. We fought a Cival War over States Rights. I wouldn't just dismiss States Rights out of hand assuming everything is under Federal control. It's not.

    We are United States (with seperate locally elected State Governments). Not a Federal Empire.

  • Cats Somewhere in Time, UT
    May 21, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    One Old Man: I have learned from long, sorry experience that the "leadership" in Washington cannot be trusted with much of anything. And I speak as one who has spent of a lot of my life in Washington.

    Things are always done best when done by the people who are closest to the situation and are the most effected by it. That is a time honored and time tested true principle.

  • andyjaggy American Fork, UT
    May 21, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    I like Gov. Herbert, but this is one issue I disagree with him on. Give it up Herbert, this is one I don't think you can win, nor do I want you to.

  • one old man Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2013 3:04 p.m.

    But Cats, do the people of Utah really have control of what happens in this state, or is the control really in the hands of those who are most generous in greasing the palms of our political "leaders?"

  • Happy Valley Heretic Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 4:05 p.m.

    "Things are always done best when done by the people who are closest to the situation and are the most effected by it. That is a time honored and time tested true principle."

    Like for example...

    Super site clean-ups?

    Grave robbers who are victims of the mean ol' feds?

    Mike Noel driving down a river or pulling up road closed signs with the local sheriff?

    Herbert and the legislature giving away stream and river access rights to benefit a few of there 1% buddies?

    Shooting exploding targets in national forests.

    Speaking of which, who will pay the millions every year to put out Utah's annual fires?

    To many developers in political power to hand over Americas lands to cronies du jour in Utah.

  • stevo123 slc, ut
    May 21, 2013 4:17 p.m.

    I would like to think Utah could manage it better, but, that would never happen. Too much money to be made on what belongs to US all.

  • JimInSLC Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    When the US removed the dollar from the gold standard, the US started setting aside federal land. This land is being used as collateral against the debt the US is accumulating. When China tries to cash in its trillions of dollars of treasury bonds, you will find that it is not federal land, it is not Utah's land, it is China's land.

    All rights not given to the federal government in the constitution are in the hands of the individual states. I think that Gov. Herbert is correct in this matter.

  • Something to think about Ogden, UT
    May 21, 2013 4:51 p.m.

    Didn't the old south want to manage their 'property' too? We fought a war over state's rights 150 years ago.

    Utah is a part (a state) of the greatest country in the world... The United States of America. It would be nice if we acted like we were excited to be a part of this Country, rather than fight the Federal government every chance we get.

  • the truth Holladay, UT
    May 21, 2013 6:07 p.m.

    @Something to think about

    We would not have to fight the federal government if the federal government would stop taking powers and rights not given to it by the people or the states.

    Power is best when it is closest to the people,

    that is a fact.

    I find them silly the rants and unfounded fears of the left. They never back any of it up with actual facts.

    The founding fathers make it quite clear you must never trust the federal government with and grant them any more power and control than is absolutely necessary.

  • one vote Salt Lake City, UT
    May 21, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    Why is our land the land owned by Federal government?

  • RanchHand Huntsville, UT
    May 22, 2013 7:54 a.m.

    Guess what Guv, it isn't your land, it is OUR land. Every American, not just Utahns.

  • 4601 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    Gov. Herbert,
    You have been an exemplary chief executive except on this issue. Find a compromise that protects our national treasures and also benefits Utah. If you are successful, it sets a precedent that could endanger all public lands in the US. Take a deep breath, come back to Utah and work on our schools, air pollution, welfare reform and Medicaid reform.