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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    Its now to the point where Utah can decide who we want and then USU and BYU fight for the leftovers.

    Utah has won the recruiting battle 4 years straight.

    The great majority of kids who had offers to all 3 schools have picked Utah the past couple years.

    And if you think stars don't matter, Nick Saban disagrees with you.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:16 a.m.

    Why does utah continue to try and pretend that Ngata is somehow connected to the university of utah? Not only did he not go to utah but when he signed with oregon utah wasn't even a consideration, he actually was deciding between oregon and BYU.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    @Duckhunter,

    He was smart to pick a BCS program.

    All recruits are.

    Which is why we're dominating the recruiting battle against byu lately.

    I love my BCS membership!

  • raisedaute Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    Hmmmmm maybe it's because he trains at the U in the offseason with a bunch of the Utah alumni from the NFL... Also it wasn't Utah saying that it was the paper. But don't let facts get in the way of one of your posts.

  • andrewute1 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    Ducky-

    Because he is always up at the U with the team, and works out with a lot of the team in the weight room during the summer. He has a very strong connection with the team and the coaching staff.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    Thank Goodness for Ron McBride! He is the Godfather of modern football at the U. I love the Poly community in Utah, and the Poly players at the U. Can't wait to see the new guys coming to the U this fall.

    Go Utes!

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:25 a.m.

    Ducky,

    Talk about frantic and emotional, where in the article does "Utah" pretend Ngata is connected to them? That just happened to be part of a direct quote from a player who was obviously mistaken. Not once did Dan Sorenson mention Ngata among his lists of former or current Polynesian players.

    And by the way, I'm fairly certain the reason the player mistakenly lumped Ngata into his comment is due to the amount of time Ngata spends on the U campus. Hard to blame a kid for thinking Ngata's a former Ute when he's spends the majority of every off-season on the Ute campus - the guy may as well be labeled a Ute.

    The glimpse of reality this kind of article presents for you is clearly not good for your blood pressure. May I suggest you calmly try to find your happy place? I'd go with 1984 if I was you.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:38 a.m.

    It is so good to see so many Polynesians coming to the U and doing so well. It's also great to see how cultural diverse and welcoming the U of U has become. It was my experience that, although coming from such different backgrounds, the students were open and friendly. It's a great place to get an education. And it's really cool now to go to games against quality PAC 12 opponents each week.

    Go Utes!!

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 17, 2013 10:39 a.m.

    @Christine
    How winning the in state recruiting title translates to in state "championships" and overall win totals:
    In the last four years the in state title has gone to:
    2009 BYU 11-2
    2010 utah 10-3
    2011 BYU 10-3
    2012 USU 11-2
    Total wins from 2009-2012:
    BYU 36
    utah 33
    USU 26
    Clearly as evidenced by facts and not opinions winning the recruiting title has been insignificant for utah
    Further: bowl games attended/won:
    BYU 4/4
    utah 3/2
    USU 2/1.
    Come back to the PAC 10 when you can contribute more to my school than easy victories.
    Go Trojans!

  • ScooterZG Star, ID
    May 17, 2013 11:05 a.m.

    Nice article, Dan!

    What is particularly heartening is the fact that the Poly pipeline extends beyond the boundaries of the state of Utah. Most out-of-state Polynesian recruits, California and Texas, state the large number of Poly players already on campus, and the resulting culture that has been fostered as a result, is a major factor in their decision to attend the U. I have my doubts that Tevi and Vaenuku, two players that Whit has already stated could make an impact and get playing time as true freshman, pick the U without that strong presence.

    Utah is a very diverse football team. 1/3 Polynesian, 1/3 African American, 1/3 Caucasian. About 1/2 the team is LDS, 1/2 non-LDS. There's a little bit of something for every recruit to connect with on a personal level.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    @Tajemnica

    That is a very loose translation of who the state title went to.
    In 2011 BYU beat USU and lost to Utah. Utah didn't play USU and beat BYU.
    How do you figure BYU wins that one? Based on the weakest schedule they played since the early 70's?

    *your school? USC? Wow band wagon much? I am surprised you haven't switched to bama or Oregon since USC hasn't been significant since 2005

  • Skullduggery Bountiful, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    I'm always impressed with how these Polynesian names roll off of Whittingham's tongue. He must have some Pacific Island blood in him.

    Thanks to Dan Sorensen and the Deseret News for providing coverage that we Ute fans can savor to get us through the bleak days between seasons!

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:37 a.m.

    We all know that Chris B likes his Pac 12 membership. He also likes to finish at the bottom of his conference in almost EVERYTHING.

    Hey Chris.....I drive a BMW, I won't mention that all the tires are flat or bald, or that all four doors are smashed in and the windshild is cracked so bad that even Safe-Lite won't look at it and to top it off my windshild wipers just smear everything I am trying to look at. But hey......I drive a BMW.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:39 a.m.

    McBride was pretty smart with a lot of the things he did. Utah owes him a lot for what he started. He brought Utah back to prosperity. Urban Meyer took them to the national spotlight. Kyle has and will continue to keep them in the national eye as they adjust and succeed in the PAC12. I'm loving this Utah coverage and love the BYU trolls that cringe at a Utah article (compared to the 10 BYU articles). It is true sign of change in the Utah college football landscape when the DesNews is publishing Utah content. The signs are unmistakable. The new generation of football fans are siding with Utah and a PAC12 conference you can cheer for. BYU maintains a monopoly on the senior citizens who get angry when you stand up at a football game to cheer. The tide is changing and this is just one more sign of it.

    Ngata was choosing between Oregon and BYU. That's kind of like saying Jabari Parker was choosing between Duke and BYU. Delusional. That one came straight from the Cougarboard where straight jackets are handed out to anyone who posts.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:42 a.m.

    LOL! at the utah "fans" so desperate to make a connection that isn't there. You realize Ngata is not a utah alum don't you? He is from east slc though so it makes sense he would work out at the u in the off season, it is a convenient place to get to. Just like several former and current pro athletes I know that live in utah valley work out at BYU in the off season despite the fact they didn't attend BYU. But I don't see any BYU fans trying to claim they are now Cougars. What an interesting inferiority complex utah "fans" suffer from.

    LOL!

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Magna Ute Fan,

    McBride was not only the Godfather of modern Ute football, he is a King of Class, something that escaped Urban, many coaches before him, many posters, and even Whit to a degree. Athletic competition doesn't have to involve hate and/or bitterness. McBride and LaVell are great friends to this day.

    Would that fans could follow suit.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    @skullduggery

    As opposed to "the bleak days" that are utah's last couple of seasons? Losing records are bleak and hardly a reprieve from your also "bleak" offseasons. It's all bleak for you guys recently apparently.

    LOL!

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    Just another area(among the many) where BYU is being out recruited. Must be painful to Cougar "fan".

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 17, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    @sportyguy
    State title was the wrong term to use. I don't use opinion based objective reasoning. I use facts. What I should have referenced is the best record from the three big schools over a 4 year period. I'm pretty sure none of the schools recruit with the specific goal of only beating in state teams so only using in state games should not apply to whether or not a schools recruiting has been more successful than another's. As for USC, I grew up in Santa Monica so jumping on the band wagon doesn't really apply. And while we haven't been as good in recent years, we still have all three Utah schools beat in terms of opinion based recruiting, PAC 10 victories, victories over Utah schools, popularity based on number of fans, national titles, NFL draftees, heisman trophy winners...should I keep going?
    Go Trojans!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Duckhunter,

    Your 2013 graduating class, with "first rounders" Hoffman and Van Noy are going to be 0-4 against big brother Utah in their careers.

    0-4.

    Ouch!

    LOL

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 12:04 p.m.

    Denver2Portland
    Denver, CO

    Keep it classy Cougar "fan". Maybe you can next tell us about the attributes of Italians or Germans or Japanese people.

  • RBN Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    @Ducky,

    You mean like the way BYU fans consider Dale Murphy and every other famous LDS athlete one of their own?

  • tdlawton Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:03 p.m.

    Nice article, it probably doesn't say anything that a Ute fan didn't already "feel," but it is interesting to see the numbers.

    The "Poly Pipeline" certainly has been very good to the UofU and the UofU has obviously been very good for a lot of Polynesian football players.

    Seeing several BYU fans try to take pot shots at Utah's success is interesting, it is even more interesting to see BYU fans mascaraed as fans of some other program to take pot shots at Utah. Do these yahoos really think they are fooling anyone?

    The "lady" certainly protests too much. However it is really funny to see the squirming.

  • HockeybeardUte Somewhere, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    Great article Dan! UofU coverage from Dan is one of the best things about Utezone, and now DNews!

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    May 17, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Duck

    Why do you care so much about what Utah fans think?

    Here is a great article, about how the program and Polynesian community work well together, and all you can do is hang on to a quote from a recruit used to illustrate how the family atmosphere at Utah illustrates the family atmosphere in the Polynesian community.

    You are the one that appears desperate.

  • ute4ever West Jordan, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    A sure sign of the state of a program is when the fans start using things like Ngata training at Utah as a form of smack talk. Why not just smack about the win streak your team has against Utah. Or talk about how your conference is being discussed and favored in the new playoff system. Or talk about how you can sell out your stadium but your rival can't. Or talk about the recruiting battles you are winning in-state. Oops, sorry Cougars if that hurt a little. I guess if all you got is "X player trains at your University because it's close" as smack, you gotta use all the tools you can.

    Can I just say that, as a Ute fan, it is nice to see the DesNews finally swallow a little bit of pride, recognize the fact that Utah fans are growing, and give the premier University in the state a little bit of print? These articles by Sorensen are spectacular (and if you like these, you should go check out the content on UteZone because THAT is where Ute fans go to get their information, even with these recent articles). Thanks Dan.

  • 965 Sandy, UT
    May 17, 2013 1:45 p.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Could you list these relevant athletes that work out at BYU that you 'know'?

    Please?

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 17, 2013 2:01 p.m.

    @everyone
    Who the heck cares where someone works out? I worked out at UGA while visiting family in Georgia. Does that make me a Bulldogs fan?

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    May 17, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    Duckhunter: "He is from east slc though so it makes sense he would work out at the u in the off season, it is a convenient place to get to."

    Yes, that does make sense. What doesn't make sense, however, is that if he in fact has no connection to the team, why he would take time in the spring to attend practices and work with players individually on improving technique and mentoring them in their future careers in football, while wearing Utah gear. The answer is because he in fact does have a great relationship with the coaching staff, and is a Utah supporter second only to his alma mater.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    May 17, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    @Tajemnica

    Also # of arrests, number of violations, number of Heisman trophy winners who murdered their wives, number of Heisman trophy winners that had the trophy taken away.

    Your comparison of # of wins per season is just as invalid since 2010 none of them have played in the same conference. If you would like to say that the likes of Idaho State, Idaho, Hawaii, NMSU and SJSU are on par with the rest of the Pac-12 including USC then I suppose that's your opinion.

    @Duckhunter - As far as I can tell, you are the only one trying to associate Ngata with the Utah program.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 2:34 p.m.

    Tajemnica

    Apparently you missed the point ... know one on this thread stated that they "care" that Ngata works out at the U. We're simply trying to help the frantic and emotional coug fans like you and Ducky understand why a younger Ute recruit or player might mistakenly think Ngata was a Ute.
    Clear enough for you? Or do you and Ducky want to keep spinning our comments so you can feel better about yourselves and the state of BYU football?

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 17, 2013 3:03 p.m.

    @sportyguy
    Would you like a list of victories over ranked opponents each of the three schools has in the last 4 years or will you ignore that fact as well? USU zero. A couple close ones losing to Auburn by 4 and Oklahoma by a touchdown. Utah one. and it was over BYU who according to you is clearly inferior. BYU three. One over a top 5 team and one over utah with 3 losses by one point to ranked teams. Apparantly my point is also being missed here as it relates to how recruiting has supposedly been better at utah for the past four years when they don't have the victories to back it up. Also my comparisons relate to success on the field. Not personal decisions outside of on field accomplishments. If you want to compare ethics, you have us beat
    @motorbike
    I am a resident of Utah not a fan of any of the teams from Utah so apparantly I'm not the only one who missed the point.
    @everone
    I was also under the impression until recently that Ngata played at utah so it is a widely held misunderstanding based on other ignorant u fans

  • 54-10 Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 3:20 p.m.

    Tajemnica
    West Valley, Utah

    Nice try but FAIL. Anyone who even professes to know anything about local college football knows Ngata is from Highland High School and attended Oregon.

    If you were under the impression that Ngata played at the U, that is your failing not anyone else's failing.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 17, 2013 3:27 p.m.

    "One over a top 5 team"

    Your comment contains much I could refute, so I'll just simply focus on this one point. You need to continue talking about this, "top 5 team", and include the fact they hovered around .500 for the vast majority of the season and finished it, unranked. This "top 5" ranking was merely, PRE-season.

    Not unlike '84 PITT and their, PRE-season ranking. Yes, the same, exact PITT team which went on to conclude the season at 3-7-1, bowl-less and unranked.

    For a person who claims not to be a fan of byu, you certainly spend an awful lot of time attempting to "defend" them.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 17, 2013 3:29 p.m.

    Taj:
    There's no point in arguing with a ute fan like sportyguy. Now you know why BYU fans get so frustrated with the kiddies on the hill. They're delusional enough to argue with a Trojan fan, and then take the low road doing it...bandwagon fan, number of arrests, etc. Give us all a break sports guy...seriously you're going to argue with a USC fan? They are so much bigger than U with a far better history and winning tradition that the only time they even notice U is when they have to play you...and even then it takes them gifting U 14 points before they wake up and realize they're actually playing someone. Chrissy can be glad U are in the PAC 12 but no one else in America cares until the lil guys can do anything in their big boy league. Btw taj, you should claim to be a UGA fan because we all know the SEC is a man's game while the rest of you are just big boys.

  • sportyguy sandy, UT
    May 17, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Seriously a coug on here talking any smack? LoL

  • Tajemnica West Valley, Utah
    May 17, 2013 4:15 p.m.

    @azute1
    If you want to go with that logic then I can throw in a few more 'look what happened laters' in regards to all three Utah teams that would include victories over teams that were unranked at the time and finished a given season as a ranked team but then I run into the realms of either more opinion based reasoning or more work than my time is worth. If we also want to break down the BYU victory over Oklahoma we have a big what if. What if BYU didn't knock Bradford out of the game? Would Oklahoma have gone on to have a much better season? Probably, but there is know way to know for sure. The FACT is Oklahoma was ranked #3 when they lost. Also it is not my point to defend BYU. I just use these facts to put delusional utah fans in their place. You want to argue 2004 or 2008 specifically? You win.
    @cougsndawgs
    You make an excellent point. And at least your comments aren't based in fallacies. UGA is up there on my list though. Just not number one. What's worse is I like Notre dame too.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 17, 2013 4:36 p.m.

    Tajemnica

    Re: "@motorbike - I am a resident of Utah not a fan of any of the teams from Utah so apparantly I'm not the only one who missed the point."
    ________

    Do you honestly think anyone believes you?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 17, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    No, just like with PITT, UO was ranked, PRE-season, which is inherently never based upon games actually played. And as was the case with PITT, UO actually played their games and proved to all, unequivocally, how erroneous their PRE-season ranking was.

    I'll give byu this much, they have the market cornered on PRE-season/MYTHICAL accolades, hands-down.

    The mere fact you're on here at length and actually attempting to debate what's clearly irrefutable, is proof to all how much of a byu fan you are.

    You're as much a USC fan as I'm a byu fan.

  • LaMont Levi Hansen Provo, UT
    May 17, 2013 6:17 p.m.

    Don't listen to these guys, Tajemnica. I agree with you!

    I'm a BIG Oregon Ducks fan! I sure hate those classless Utes and their exaggerated football recruiting successes. Everyone knows that BYU is and always will be the premier program in Utah. BYU has as big of a national significance as my Oregon Ducks.

    Go Oregon Ducks!

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 7:24 p.m.

    @Tajemnica

    Although your numbers are accurate, they are subjective relative to promoting the blue as being superior. The argument is understandable when representing BYU though.

    From the time when Bronco and Kyle took over as head coaches (same time) until 2010 when Utah went to the PAC and BYU independence, Utah had one more win than BYU in that span. That is pretty equal given the more comparable schedules. Utah did lose the occasional game to inferior competition but made up for it with more non conference wins. The head to head did not favor Utah up until that point though because although Kyle leads the series 5-3 because when the break off took place in 2010 it was 3-3 (even between the coaches).

    Anyway, I believe Bronco leads by 3.5 games overall now at this point and Bronco made up 4.5 games since Kyle had the one game edge as of 2010. Obviously the PAC 12 is the major factor there. I don't think Utah is worse now but plays tougher games week in and week out.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    It's true Bronco has 5 ten win season to Kyle's 3, but it was a 4 to 3 edge for Bronco when the schedules were comparable before the change in direction for both programs in 2010. But including the 5th 10 win season for BYU against Utah isn't fair as I see it because in 2011 Utah wasn't going to win 10 games that first year in the PAC regardless. Utah beat BYU 54-10 that year and finished 8-5. Again BYU was 10-3 but when they were 6-3, they finished the season (November) with games against Idaho, New Mexico State, Hawaii, and Tulsa. So yeah, BYU won 10 games that year but it is my opinion that Utah had the better year at 8-5 in the PAC in 2011. Don't forget head to head either (convincing outcome there). I mentioned the Idaho game, but before the last 4 games, BYU also played Idaho State as well. That was the weakest schedule BYU has ever had. If I were a Cougar fan, I would be excited for the upcoming schedule this year though.

  • gdog3finally West Jordan, Utah
    May 17, 2013 7:49 p.m.

    Now I have given Bronco credit where I objectively see it, and I think Bronco has done more with less than Kyle ever has. He coaches under unique circumstances. But I think some of your stats are not showing the complete picture.

    Yes Utah is 7-11 in the PAC so far but I don't think Utah is any worse than before. They are feeling the effects of a week in and week out grind (depth wise now). From 2000 to 2010 (ten years), Utah had a better record with more wins against BCS schools than any other so called mid major or non BCS team in the country. Yes, it's true. Utah had more wins against BCS teams in that span than BYU, Boise State, TCU, and all other non BCS schools prior to 2010. If Utah hasn't gotten worse, but now is losing the majority of these games, it makes sense that it has much to do with playing tougher teams each week. Even the weak PAC schools have bigger and stronger athletes in the war of attrition that football is health wise. The MWC days allowed for more physical recovery and peaking for the bigger programs.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 17, 2013 10:01 p.m.

    "BYU has as big of a national significance as my Oregon Ducks."

    Hahahahahahahahahaha!!!.... good one

  • high school fan Huntington, UT
    May 17, 2013 11:04 p.m.

    Hey Chris B
    Is your team going to win the conference this year, or maybe next year or how about anytime soon? The truthful answer is no and you know it. The question is how long will good players go to somewhere they can't win and the answer s not very long. I would love for the Utes to make a run at a title but that is not why they were invited. Utah and Colorado were simply invited for the numbers of Tv's each state could bring to the table for the new contract.

  • xert Santa Monica, CA
    May 17, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    This is not only great for Utah, but for the state of Utah. For BYU, Utah State and Weber to be able to fight it out for the second tier Poly players--when they might choose to stay closer to home and go to Hawaii, San Diego State, Cal Davis, or Cal Lutheran--is a real feather in the cap of those programs. But BCS is BCS and the Pac 12 is the Pac 12. I only hope these players can help us compete in real football!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 17, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    My bad, i meant "OU", not "UO".

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 18, 2013 6:37 a.m.

    high school fan: "Is your team going to win the conference this year, or maybe next year or how about anytime soon? The truthful answer is no and you know it. The question is how long will good players go to somewhere they can't win and the answer s not very long."

    Until I got to the end of your post, I thought you were talking about byu. lol. For a fan base that has been sold a bill of good on independence, byu fans are incredibly obsessed with conferences. Get into a big boy conference (or even the MWC) and then you can talk. We all know that won't happen...ever.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 18, 2013 9:37 a.m.

    @azute1

    "I'll give byu this much, they have the market cornered on PRE-season/MYTHICAL accolades, hands-down."

    Kinda sounds like a bottom feeder program that brags about their recruiting but then churns out losing conference seasons. Bragging before it actually happens is rampant on the hill.

    ********************

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 18, 2013 10:05 a.m.

    Utah has done a really good job in developing this pipeline and continues to add great Poly kids to the program year after year. Coach Mac saw the opportunity years ago and Coach Whit has kept the same philosophy. This gives Utah a big recruiting advantage over a lot of schools.

    For a number of the posters below ... I didn't see anything in this article about a team from Provo or a team from LA. Funny how some posters have a one track mind and are so insecure they need to post something about 'their' football team on every Ute article.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 18, 2013 10:29 a.m.

    @LaMont Levi Hansen

    Thank you for the humorous post. (At least, I hope you meant it as the humorous post that it came off as.)

    @duckhunter

    If your team had played the same schedule that the University of Utah played these last two years, they would have been lucky to have gone 4-8. A more realistic projection for your team would have been 3-9. Utah has not had the luxury of playing Idaho, Idaho State, San Diego State, Hawaii, Weber State, and New Mexico State on a consistent basis like your team has.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 18, 2013 10:40 a.m.

    @gored

    Bragging about your schedule, while also whining about your schedule, is a lot like bragging about how great your recruiting is, while losing the majority of your games.

    LOL!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    Hey duck,

    I'm bragging about Utah vs byu in head to head rivalry football!
    What say you?

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 18, 2013 5:35 p.m.

    @ekute

    Of course you are, it is literally the only thing you have to "brag" about and even that is pretty slim stuff. But go with what you got.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2013 7:02 p.m.

    The rivalry is as strong as it has ever been and football is the most important part of it, and we Ute fans own the bragging rights, all time and for the last 25 years.

    You're lying to yourself if you attempt to minimize the rivalry or the importance of football to it.

    What say you?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2013 8:18 p.m.

    btw, it is not literally the only thing we have to brag about nor is it pretty slim stuff.

    Slim is lower tier-bowl smack, stadium size smack and tax dollar smack.

    byu fans have nothing that Ute fans want but apparently(Slim smack under Utah articles) there is a degree of jealousy on our little brothers side of the fence.

  • Roger Jolly Maricopa, AZ
    May 18, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    Hmm... can't really understand how Cougar fans could masquerade as USC and Oregon fans. It must be a real let down for Cougar fans that teams like Utah and TCU have joined the 'Power Conferences'. Even Maryland and Rutger (who have played in a total of eight bowl games) get invited into the B1G.

    Being a legacy, national brand must be hard that nobody is even calling. I know BYU is exactly where they want to be, begging for a game i.e. playing Notre Dame in their house twice, but come on. Really? Seen on College Football Live that Notre Dame should wax BYU. It does nothing for them as strength of schedule. Sounds familiar, does nothing for Utah either.

    I heard once that this year's Cougar schedule is 'like' a BCS schedule. Welcome to the club, Utan has been playing a "BCS" schedule for two years now.

    Think whatever you want but you Cougar fans are the one's looking in...

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 18, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    Ekute:
    LOL, ya BYU fans are so jealous of Utah's 5-7 record and lack of any victories over winning PAC 12 teams. We are also jealous of your trophy case which contains 2 BCS bowls (Grats) and little else. We are jealous of your tv deal which didn't allow people with directtv to see half your games, let alone on national tv. Why WOULD Utah want anything BYU has...they've never embraced a winning tradition so why would they want one now? Utah's two years of great success are nice but I think I'll stick with finishing in the top 25 three times as much as Utah, having a trophy case full if awards including 6 CFB HoF inductees to Utah's zero, bigger and better facilities than Utah, national exposure from espn over Utah's ROOT PAC network local tv...wait what was I supposed to be jealous of again?

  • Roger Jolly Maricopa, AZ
    May 18, 2013 10:19 p.m.

    ...And Cougsndawgs hates Utah. Do we as Utah fan want to acknowledge this kid. Let him put out his pathetic argument. He will never say Utah has a good team. People like this are trolls and I wonder if real Cougar fans even claim him as a real BYU FAN?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 18, 2013 10:27 p.m.

    Actually I don't hate Utah at all, just disagree with their fans sometimes. Same way you disagree with BYU fans, Jolly. It's all in good fun, I don't take it too seriously and neither should U.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 18, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    @Roger Jolly

    I think you're right, same old "pathetic argument"

    I'll just leave it at that. Go Utes.

  • davidutefan Evanston, WY
    May 19, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @Tajemnica, Yep, USC, the best team money can buy. Could they have done the things they have done without the cheating?

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 20, 2013 10:49 a.m.

    @ekute
    You mean the same "pathetic argument" that utes make about being in the PAC 12 and having recent success against the cougars somehow equating to being bigger and better? Enough of the little brother BS, there is nothing little about BYU in comparison to Utah. Bigger stadium, bigger fanbase, more national success in awards and trophies and conference championships. Grats to the utes on their recent success against BYU but that in no way makes U bigger or better. As I've said BYU has had their string of successes against Utah also. 2006-09 was 3/4 for BYU...not that long ago. And Jolly...I said Utah's teams were awesome in 2004 and 2008. I actually picked Utah to beat Alabama in the sugar bowl. It doesn't make a lot of sense to make your accusations when u don't even know me. I actually want Utah to be successful, and have many friends and family that are ute fans. I give them their credit when it's do. Try and do the same for BYU.

  • wwookie Payson, UT
    May 20, 2013 11:46 a.m.

    Polynesian players go to Utah because of exposure to more scouts. The Utah schedule (compared to BYU´s for the ease of the cougar come-backs to this post that inevitably come) is incredible:

    4 probable top 25 teams in Oregon (projected no.3), Stanford (projected no. 4), USC, and Oregon State.

    5 possible top 25 teams in Utah State, UCLA, Arizona, Arizona State and BYU

    and three others: Weber State, Colorado, Washington State

    FOr the trolls wanting to compare, BYU also has 4 probable top 25 teams, but none projected to be in top 10 (Texas, Notre Dame who finished 4th last year, Boise State and probably someone else other than Middle Tennessee State)

    It is no wonder the utes have so many players in the NFL, especially the polynesian players.

    GO UTES!!

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 20, 2013 2:14 p.m.

    wwookie

    "The Utah schedule (compared to BYU´s for the ease of the Cougar come-backs to this post that inevitably come) is incredible..."

    As we all know, pre-season rankings are MEANINGLESS!

    USC was a pre-season favorite to win the NC in 2012, and didn't even come close to finishing in the Top 25, while unheralded Utah State and San Jose State both finished in the Top 25.

    BYU played FIVE teams that FINISHED in the Top 25 in 2012, including one of the two teams that played in the NC game.

    Utah only played TWO.

    BYU finished #26 in Sagarin. Utah only finished #61.

    It's laughable that all of those Ute NFL players, including Star, couldn't even get the Utes into a bowl game last year.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2013 2:33 p.m.

    Despite the crimson colored bubble that the kids on the live under, the reality is this:

    Since Utah's 2008 high water mark, the Utes have been in steady decline, finishing with worse records and lower rankings than BYU in the three out four seasons.

    2009 #12/#12/#15 BYU(11-2) > #18/#18/#24 Utah(10-3)
    2010 unranked/#45 BYU(7-6) < UR/#23/#26 Utah(10-3)
    2011 UR/#25/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)

    The kids on the hill desperately cling to their head-to-head wins versus BYU because that's the only thing the Utes have going for them since joining the PAC.

    The Utes aren't even good enough to play in a bowl game anymore.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 20, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    gored

    "If your team had played the same schedule that the University of Utah played these last two years, they would have been lucky to have gone 4-8."

    Utah fans are prone to hyperbole when they have absolutely no evidence to back up their wild claims.

    Here are a couple of indisputable facts that refute your assertion:

    -- Unlike Utah, BYU wasn't kept out of a bowl game last season because the Cougars couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule

    -- Unlike Kyle (who has lost to two), Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team like Utah lost to in 2011 that denied the Utes a gift-wrapped PAC South title.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 20, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    JollyRoger

    "Utah has been playing a "BCS" schedule for two years now."

    And proving that they're in over their heads:

    7-11 in football
    8-28 in basketball
    15-39 overall (28%) in the PAC in the two big boy sports

    It's laughable the Utah fans keep beating their chests about their PAC 12 membership as validation of Utah's athletic excellence, when the evidence is overwhelming that Utah's athletic prowess had very little, if anything, to do with Utah's invite to the PAC 12.

    We all know why BYU wasn't invited to the PAC 12 or Big 12, and it had absolutely NOTHING to do with the quality of BYU's athletic programs, which dwarf Utah's programs, by comparison.

    In the 20-year history of the Director's Cup, which recognizes overall athletic excellence across all men's and women's sports, BYU has finished ahead of Utah 20 out of 20 times.

    Current Director's Cup standings as of April 25, 2013

    #45 BYU 308.00 points
    #63 Utah 228.75 points

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    May 20, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    Why do you BYU fans who post on these Utah articles care so much about what Utah fans say on this board anyway?

    So many of you have Duckhunteritis. It appears that there is a visceral need for you to type til your blue in the face, trying to convince us of your reality. Why is it such a big deal to you?

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 20, 2013 5:06 p.m.

    Very nice article Dan. Congratulations to you and the Deseret News for your insight.

    I just love how a good Utah story like this, that has nothing to do with byU, sends the jealous byU faithful, and it's trollers, into a tizzy. Pure entertainment!!

    Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2013 5:10 p.m.

    pocyUte

    "Why do you BYU fans who post on these Utah articles care so much about what Utah fans say on this board anyway?"

    Sounds like the kind of argument someone makes when they realize that they're losing the real argument.

    We're just trying to help our young friends understand a very simple concept; that the way to win a national championship is to win enough games and play well enough to convince a majority of poll voters that you're more deserving of being named national champion than any other team.

    That's what BYU did in 1984 and what Utah failed to do in 2008.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 20, 2013 5:30 p.m.

    Hey Dan - can you do something about getting an article about Singleton on this site? I mean, if an unrated LB who commits to little brother can get an article, why not a big, 3 star speedster WR?

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 20, 2013 5:33 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "I just love how a good Utah story like this, that has nothing to do with byU, sends the jealous byU faithful, and it's trollers, into a tizzy."

    I just love how you're so blinded by your crimson glasses that you didn't notice that the very first comment on this article was made by a Ute fan taking a dig at the Cougars.

    Chris B: "Its now to the point where Utah can decide who we want and then USU and BYU fight for the leftovers. Utah has won the recruiting battle 4 years straight."

    If you're going to whine about BYU fans commenting on a "Utah article", at least show some consistency in calling out your fellow Ute fans.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 20, 2013 5:47 p.m.

    byU should change it's mascot to a top - that's all their fans do is spin!!

    Reality - check it out in Websters!!

    Go Utes!! Go Crimson!!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 20, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    Interesting that you comment on convincing voters, rather than actually earning it on the field-of-play.

    byu played the 3rd weakest schedule in the nation in '84, yet was awarded for it with a "MYTHICAL" NC. Hysterical, actually. Particularly with them greatly benefiting from beating a grossly overrated PITT team, thus vaulting them out of nowhere up there to near the Top-10 [#12, if I remember correctly] in the rankings.

    PITT concluded the season at 3-7-1, bowl-less and UNRANKED. Everybody knows byu couldn't have done it without such a fluke-occurrence taking place and, obviously, the voters couldn't undo their obvious error in ranking PITT so high, to begin with.

    BTW, did you see what OU did to PITT on the same, exact field just 2 weeks later? Unlike byu, in struggling to barely beat PITT, OU complete obliterated them. Good times.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 20, 2013 7:48 p.m.

    sports fan

    You say "Utah fans are prone to hyperbole when they have absolutely no evidence to back up their wild claims." Really? Utah went 5-7 against BCS competition, including a win over BYU. It would logically follow that BYU would be lucky to go 4-8 if they had played Utah's schedule. Their offense struggled last year more so than Utah's did.

    You go on to say "Unlike Utah, BYU wasn't kept out of a bowl game last season because the Cougars couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule." What you failed to say is that BYU received a bowl bid because they padded their schedule with awful WAC-type teams such as Hawaii, Weber State, Idaho, San Jose State, and New Mexico State. If BYU had played Utah's schedule with only one easy game (Northern Colorado), yes, BYU would have been lucky to go 4-8. 3-9 would have been more likely.

    (continued)

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 20, 2013 8:04 p.m.

    sports fan (continued)

    As for your last statement “Unlike Kyle (who has lost to two), Bronco has NEVER lost to a 10-loss team like Utah lost to in 2011 that denied the Utes a gift-wrapped PAC South title.” Again, this is misleading, since in 2011 Utah was adjusting to a BCS schedule of USC, Arizona State, Washington, and UCLA while BYU was playing such “powerhouses” as Idaho, Hawaii, Idaho State, and New Mexico State. Kyle would have killed those teams. Yes, losing to Colorado was disappointing, but their lack of depth in the first year of the PAC 12 was challenging. BYU would have been lucky to have gone 2-10. Remember, Utah humiliated BYU 54-10 IN PROVO.

    snack pac

    If you have followed college football over the past 40 years, you would know that BYU backed into the “national championship”. They only beat one ranked team, and barely beat a 6-6 Michigan team by 7 points. Utah, on the other hand, beat four ranked teams, including former #1 Alabama. But the BCS schools had already changed the rules, and non-BCS Utah was not allowed the national championship.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 20, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    @mussingaround "BYU played FIVE teams that FINISHED in the Top 25 in 2012.

    That's really neat, but BYU lost to all of those teams. BYU racked up their wins against weak competition... Idaho, Idaho State, Weber, New Mexico State etc. Their SOS was 63 which paved the way to a low level bowl. If you claim otherwise, you're kidding yourself.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 20, 2013 9:42 p.m.

    @Snack "That's what BYU did in 1984 and what Utah failed to do in 2008"

    What Utah did in 2008 was beat 4 ranked teams including the team that spent the majority of the season at #1. What BYU did in 1984 was achieve their signature win against 8-4 Air Force or 6-6 Michigan... you pick. BYU won an NC, however Utah put together a much more impressive body of work. Has BYU ever beaten more that one team that finished the season ranked?

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:00 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "Interesting that you comment on convincing voters, rather than actually earning it on the field-of-play."

    LOL at your illogic. BYU did earn it on the field by beating every team they faced.

    How do you know BYU played the third weakest schedule? How do you know that Michigan(6-6) wasn't a Top 25 team and that Air Force wasn't a Top 10 team?

    #1/#1 BYU(13-0) was undefeated and BEAT #24 Air Force(8-4) on the road 30-25

    #2/#2 Washington(11-1) LOST to USC(9-3) 7-16, which LOST to UCLA 10-29, which was destroyed by Nebraska 3-42, and Washington only beat Michigan(6-6) 20-11, the same Michigan team that BYU beat in the Holiday Bowl 24-17

    #3/#7 Florida(9-1-1) LOST to Miami(8-5) 20-32, and was ineligible to play in a bowl

    #4/#3 Nebraska(10-2) LOST to Syracuse(6-5) 9-17

    #6/#6 Oklahoma LOST to Kansas(5-6) 11-28

    Michigan BEAT Miami(8-5) 22-14

    Both Washington and Nebraska were invited to play BYU, but turned down the invitation.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    gored

    If you know anything about college football, you know that BYU was the most heavily scrutinized national champion in the last 40 years.

    After rising to #1 in late November, BYU's record and opponents were carefully scrutinized for over a month, along with the records and opponents of every legitimate contender, yet after over a month of heavy scrutiny, BYU was judged by all five major selecting organizations to be more deserving of winning the 1984 National Championship than any other contender.

    Washington and Nebraska have only themselves to blame for BYU only having to beat Michigan in the National Championship game.

    btw, 8 months after BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl to win the 1984 National Championship, BYU destroyed Washington 31-3

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    @DeepBlue "How do you know that Michigan(6-6) wasn't a Top 25 team and that Air Force wasn't a Top 10 team?"

    Here's how we know AF was not a top 10 team.... they weren't ranked in the top 10. Regarding Michigan, when was the last time a 6-6 team was ranked in the top 25?

    I'll give you the NC, BYU earned it based on pre-BCS standards. Are you man enough to admit it was the weakest NC schedule of all-time and not even close to what Utah accomplished in 2008?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:21 p.m.

    @Deep Blue "8 months after BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl to win the 1984 National Championship, BYU destroyed Washington 31-3"

    1984 = Apples
    1985 = Oranges

    BYU beat UW in 1985 which somehow means BYU was better than UW in 1984? That's some really weak logic.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:23 p.m.

    U 90

    "That's really neat, but BYU lost to all of those teams."

    No they didn't. BYU BEAT #16/#17 Utah State, and lost to three others, all on the road, by a total of 10 points. BYU also destroyed ACC division champ Georgia Tech (a team that easily handled USC in the Sun Bowl), and BYU beat MWC tri-champion SDSU(9-4). Who did U beat besides BYU?

    Unlike Utah, which lost to the only two Top 25 teams they played and didn't beat a single PAC 12 team with a winning record.

    It's laughable that the ONLY decent wins the Utes have had since joining the PAC, are a couple of wins over "irrelevant" Independent BYU.

    Bottom Line during the Independent/PAC era

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Bowl Wins
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    Losing Seasons
    BYU 0
    Utah 1

    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) < unranked/#61 Utah(5-7)
    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) < unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    U90

    If you eliminate BYU's extra season-ending game with Utah State(1-10), which did absolutely NOTHING to improve BYU's ranking since BYU was already ranked #1 before they played the Aggies, there's very little difference between BYU's 1984 schedule and Utah's 2004 schedule, in fact, BYU's schedule was arguably stronger than Utah's schedule.

    BYU 1984 beat four regular season opponents with winning records: Tulsa(6-5), Hawaii(7-4), #24 Air Force(8-4), and Utah(6-5-1).

    Utah 2004 beat three regular season opponents with winning records: Texas A&M(7-5), New Mexico(7-5), and Wyoming(7-5), none of them as good as Air Force or Hawaii.

    Combined records of BYU's regular season opponents not including Utah State (54-69-1)
    Combined records of Utah's regular season opponents (53-72)

    It's interesting that Utah fans never question the worthiness of Utah's 2004 bcs busting team, despite playing a regular season schedule that was arguably worse than BYU's 1984 regular season schedule.

    -----

    BYU was better than Washington in 1984 AND 1985!

    Washington was given the opportunity to prove they were better in 1984 and passed.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 20, 2013 10:47 p.m.

    U 90

    Here's how we know that BYU was National Champion in 1984, they were ranked #1.

    Here's how we know that Utah wasn't National Champion in 2008, they were ranked #2.

    Of course, if you insist on going "bcs era"; the Utes have never finished higher than #4 in the Coaches Poll, the poll that officially crowns the bcs championship game winner #1.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 20, 2013 11:11 p.m.

    gored / U 90

    It's laughable that you conveniently cite rankings as gospel ONLY when they conform to your own biased view of the world.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 20, 2013 11:58 p.m.

    Deep,

    I conceded the NC, and you avoided the point that BYU hasn't come close to putting together the body of work Utah did in 2008. And you avoided answering the question of whether or not BYU has ever beat more that one team in a season that finished the year ranked.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2013 3:12 a.m.

    byu--

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion."

    How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2013 3:16 a.m.

    ....So how did BYU end up #1?

    Well, for one thing, BYU was greatly aided by the weekly upset chaos of 1984. Look at the teams in the top 20 and you see only one team with just 1 loss, and one other with a loss and tie. Everyone else had at least 2 losses. The 1-loss team, Washington, lost the Rose Bowl bid because Southern Cal beat them, so they were not viewed as a conference champion (though they were, sharing the title with USC). And the 9-1-1 team, Florida, was hit with probation in September for massive cheating, and no one wanted to reward a "cheater." So the timing was right.

    Of course, in 2007 a 2-loss LSU team was rated higher than an unbeaten Hawaii team that looked a lot like BYU '84, so in the end, what put BYU over the top in 1984 was a zeitgeist thing. Or maybe a mass psychosis thing.

    In any case, it had never happened before, and it has not happened since, even though there have been quite a few better "Little Big Teams" than BYU '84 before and since.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2013 3:25 a.m.

    During this current BCS Era, both UTAH/byu have reached 11 bowl games out of 15 seasons.

    UTAH has gone 10-1, twice going undefeated.

    byu has struggled to reach .500 and above while going an impressive 6-5, never achieving undefeated and never achieving what UTAH's achieved twice, the 1st time when it was more difficult to do so, a BCS Bowl Game. Even Hawaii/Northern Illinois have each achieved a BCS Bowl Game. Yet, it forever eludes byu.

    And then there's the expected annual loss to UTAH.

    Boy, the '80s seem like they occurred centuries ago, don't you think?

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2013 9:13 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    How many of Utah's bcs era bowl winning teams actually finished in the Top 25?

    Let's review:

    bcs era

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 6
    Utah 5

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 2

    Conference Championships
    BYU 4
    Utah 4

    Bronco/Kyle era

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 3

    Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 1

    Conference Championships
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    It's quite obvious, that a mediocre Utah team beating another mediocre team in a bowl doesn't mean much on a national scale. U still weren't good enough to be ranked.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2013 9:28 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    As far as BYU's 1984 NATIONAL CHAMPIONSHIP, BYU was greatly aided by three very impressive goal-line stands at Pittsburgh, at Air Force, and at Hawaii, and by one of the gutsiest performances by an entire team in the Holiday Bowl, where BYU fought back from a deficit to beat Michigan, despite having an injured quarterback who could barely stand after sustaining a first half knee injury.

    BYU did what no other team did in 1984; they avoided losing to lesser teams like Kansas, Miami, Michigan, Nebraska, USC and UCLA.

    BYU was aided by other teams losing, but isn't that the case with EVERY national champion?

    There's never been a national champion that's beaten every one of their closest competitors.

    BYU would have gladly played Washington or Nebraska in the Holiday Bowl, so why whine about BYU "not playing anybody", when it was the Huskies and Huskers who refused to accept an invitation to play the #1 team? If anything, it was those two teams, especially Washington, who tried to "back into" a national championship by playing a lesser team in a bowl.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    I really enjoy the utah "fan" hypocrisy of trying to pretend your opponents ranking somehow matters while your own ranking does not.

    LOL!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "How bad was Michigan?"

    If Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their regular season finale, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of the Holiday Bowl.

    The Wolverines were ranked #14 in the pre-season poll and rose as high as #3. Michigan was ranked #13 in early October, before a rash of injuries took their toll on the Wolverines. The vast majority of those injured players were back and healthy when Michigan played BYU in the Holiday Bowl.

    -----

    Summary of AP Rankings

    BYU has been ranked in the Final AP Poll 17 times, in 25 out of 77 seasons (32%), and in 22% of 1053 polls

    Seasons Ranked

    1974 1977 1979 1980 1981 1983 1984 1985 1986 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1996 1997 1999 2001 2006 2007 2008 2009 2012

    Utah has been ranked in the Final AP Poll 5 times, in 8 out of 77 seasons (10%), and in 7% of 1053 polls

    Seasons Ranked

    1947 1994 1996 2003 2004 2008 2009 2010

    During the bcs era, BYU has been ranked in 7 of 15 seasons; Utah has been ranked in 5 of 15 seasons

  • CG Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 10:30 a.m.

    Snack PAC

    Check your math; how could a team as "dominant" as the Utes claim they've been, only have ranked in the Final AP Poll FIVE times, while the team they claim they've "dominated" has been ranked in the Final AP Poll SEVENTEEN times?

    A three-to-one lifetime domination in the polls pretty much proves which team has really been dominant.

    Duckhunter

    Well said. Utah fans hypocritically obsess about opponent rankings because they have so few rankings of their own.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 21, 2013 10:33 a.m.

    AZUTE:
    "How bad was Michigan?"
    Well it depends on whether you're talking an injury riddled but talented 6-6 Michigan in 1984 that played BYU in the holiday bowl, with BYU winning the NC...OR the 3-9 Michigan in 2008 that was arguably their worst team in a half century, that Utah beat by a mere 2 points to propel them from unranked to #17...how quickly ute fans forget. U beat a far worse Michigan team in your so-called best year by a DUECE.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 10:45 a.m.

    Seasons Ranked - BYU

    1974 1977 1979 1980 1981 1983 1984 1985 1986 1988 1989 1990 1991 1992 1993 1994 1996 1997 1999 2001 2006 2007 2008 2009 2012

    Seasons Ranked - Utah

    1947 1994 1996 2003 2004 2008 2009 2010

    Final AP Poll - BYU SEVENTEEN times (the first in 1977)

    Final AP Poll - Utah FIVE times (the first in 1994)

    LOL!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 21, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    So tell me azute or gored, how is it that it matters and is legitimate if the team utah is playing is ranked #9, or #22, or #15, yet somehow if BYU is ranked #1 that doesn't matter and isn't legitimate? What makes all the other teams rankings legitimate while BYU's ranking is not legitimate? The pollsters come by the rankings the same way for everyone, they look at who they play and what their record is and then give them a ranking based on their own analysis.

    So why is it that when the pollsters say ASU is ranked 15th, or Georgia Tech is ranked 20th, or any other team is ranked, and utah plays them it shows how good utah is because they played them, or maybe beat them, but when all those exact same pollsters rank BYU a particular ranking it really doesn't count, or is "illegitimate, because....? Is it because jealous utah "fans" don't like it?

    Why is it that when utah plays a "ranked" team that team is the real deal yet when bYU is ranked they are not (unless utah played them of course)?

  • PAC12Fan South Jordan, UT
    May 21, 2013 12:08 p.m.

    Back to the article. It's great that Utah is doing so well recruiting Poly players. It appears they feel very comfortable in SLC. Love it.

  • PACute_ Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    Duckhunter

    Stop confusing us with logic; everyone knows it's much more prestigious to beat a ranked team, than to be ranked yourself.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 21, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    Roger Jolly:

    "I heard once that this year's Cougar schedule is 'like' a BCS schedule."

    Yeah, but consider the source of who you heard that from. Betcha it was an Indy-WACer. The truth is, even with the stepped up schedule -- the likes they've never seen before -- the only "BCS schedule" our little brother can compare themselves to is the fledging Big [L]East, who WOULD have lost their BCS membership after this season had the BCS system not drawn to close. And even though the BCS is dead after this season, there will still be a divide between the "elite" and the "mid-major" caste system. And it's already been reported that the Big [L]East is scheduled to dwell with the MWC, C-USA, MAC, and Sun Belt conferences in the "Group of Five". How mid-majorey.

    So if the cougars' schedule is "Big [L]East"-ish (which is at least better than the WAC-ish one they've been enjoying these past 2 seasons), and the Big [L]East is midmajor-ish, aren't they still "mid-majorey"?

    I think so.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 21, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    DeepBlue:

    "btw, 8 months after BYU beat Michigan in the Holiday Bowl to win the 1984 National Championship, BYU destroyed Washington 31-3."

    BTW, 6-wks after beating UWa, you LOST to 1-10 UTEP. So if beating the Huskies in '85 supports your claim to being the #1 team in the nation the prior season, losing to UTEP the next month would only stand to validate the common national opinion that you were NOT.

    And for what it's worth, the '84 Huskies were 11-1, having lost only to Pac-10 Co-champ USC. They graduated the bulk of their impact players before the '85 season. The '85 Huskies finished their regular season at 6-5, and also lost home games to Oregon St. (3-8) and Washington St. (4-7). Beating the '85 Huskies was not impressive. They were a completely different team that year.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 21, 2013 2:07 p.m.

    @naval

    For what it's worth BYU was undefeated and lost to no one. Hence the National Championship and all the accompanying hardware that you can personally look at in BYU's jam packed display's of national awards on campus.

    Interesting that they were considered worthy by pretty much everyone that matters and utah was considered completely unworthy by all the same people. But that's life I suppose, and reality. Utah "fans" probably ought to learn to accept reality.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    navelvet

    For what it's worth, Washington only beat Michigan by two points more than BYU beat Michigan, but unlike BYU, Washington lost a game and passed on the opportunity to play #1 BYU.

    The poll voters saw Washington's cowardice and appropriately didn't reward Washington for choosing to play a lower-ranked Oklahoma team, rather than playing the #1 team in the country.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    May 21, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    duckhunter,

    You say "For what it's worth BYU was undefeated and lost to no one. Hence the 'national championship'". So, what you're saying is, that if team such as the 2008 Utah team is the only undefeated team, then they should be crowned national champions?

    I mean, it's been repeated over and over here that BYU played a very average schedule in 1984 and beat a 6-6 Michigan team by 7 points. But since there was no BCS system in place, the powers-that-be had to award BYU the "national championship", even though they had only defeated one nationally ranked team (Pittsburgh). Barry Switzer and Bryant Gumbel are just two of the national figures who questioned the legitimacy of BYU's claim.

    However, in 2008 Utah beat FOUR nationally ranked teams, including three from prominent BCS conferences. Utah beat the former #1-ranked team in the country. Because the BCS powers did not want a repeat of allowing a non-BCS team to be proclaimed nation champions, they made sure that a BCS team would be awarded it. And, ironically, it went to a team that beat Alabama by fewer points than Utah did.

    Case closed.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 21, 2013 4:01 p.m.

    @ Marked it Down: You are posting negatively on a Utah story, yet you are talking smack about my post? Oh the irony!! Just too fun to pass up! Please go on a byU story and mock my negative postings (here's a hint: you won't find any because I don't care about what little brother is doing!)

    Thank all you trollers for entertaining us so!!!

    Go Utes!! Onward and Upward!!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    May 21, 2013 4:23 p.m.

    gored

    "since there was no BCS system in place, the powers-that-be had to award BYU the "national championship""

    The powers-that-be didn't HAVE TO award BYU anything; they were free to select whoever they considered most deserving and the majority chose BYU.

    "Barry Switzer and Bryant Gumbel are just two of the national figures who questioned the legitimacy of BYU's claim."

    Barry Switzer had an obvious conflict of interest and Bryant Gumbel was in a vocal, but small minority.

    "in 2008 Utah beat FOUR nationally ranked teams, including three from prominent BCS conferences."

    And who ranked those four nationally ranked teams? The exact same voters who placed Utah 2nd and 4th in the final polls.

    As much as it pains our jealous little brothers to admit, BYU's 1984 National Championship was every bit as legitimate as any other national champion since 1936, when the first AP National Champion was chosen in exactly the same way BYU was chosen.

    Utah finished a distant 2nd in the AP Poll and only 4th in the Coaches Poll, the poll used to crown the bcs champion.

    The case is closed, but unfortunately for U, nothing's changed.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    gored

    "Utah went 5-7 against BCS competition, including a win over BYU. It would logically follow that BYU would be lucky to go 4-8 if they had played Utah's schedule."

    BYU beat Utah State, a team that Utah couldn't beat, so it would logically follow that BYU would do better against Utah's schedule than Utah did.

    I do find it funny that Utah fans have had to resort to blaming their schedule for Utah's ineptitude. Tell me, how tough, really, was that 10-loss Colorado team U lost to, a team that hadn't won a road game in three years?

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 21, 2013 5:31 p.m.

    gored

    "Barry Switzer and Bryant Gumbel are just two of the national figures who questioned the legitimacy of BYU's claim."

    BYU didn't "claim" anything.

    BYU was selected 1984 National Champion by FIVE major national organizations that are all wholly separate and distinct from BYU.

    Except for winning and impressing the voters in the process, BYU didn't have anything to do with the selection process.

    Other schools and jealous individuals like our friends on the hill can "claim" whatever they want to, but BYU is the only legitimate 1984 National Champion recognized by all of the major selecting organizations.

  • Thlete Draper, UT
    May 21, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    @DeepBlue and other silly Y fans.

    That's some fancy stat dancing that you are doing to ignore the head-to-head results of your team against Utah lately. Seems so convincing when you twist your numbers to try to show why BYU has been better than Utah recently, until whoops, you look at the actual final scores the last 3 years. Sorry, try (and fail) again in September.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    May 21, 2013 5:41 p.m.

    "I mean, it's been repeated over and over here that BYU played a very average schedule in 1984"

    pot and kettle GoRed

    Utah fans brag incessantly about their first "BCS busting team", yet who did Utah beat in 2004 that made the Utes BCS worthy?

    Who did Utah beat during the regular season that was as good as the #24 Air Force(8-4) team that BYU in 1984?

    Utah beat three regular season opponents with winning records in 2004, none with better than a 7-5 record.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 21, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    "BYU beat Utah State, a team that Utah couldn't beat, so it would logically follow that BYU would do better against Utah's schedule than Utah did."

    Actually, it would logically follow that the Indy-WACers would have done WORSE. Note:

    Utah went 2-2 vs. Wash. St, Ore. St, Utah St, and our little brother down in Provostan. Similarly, little brother went 2-2 vs. Wash. St, Ore. St, Utah St, and big brother on the Hill. However, Utah beat WSU by more points, lost to OSU by fewer, and the won head-to-head matchup. All little brother did was beat a team at home that the Utes lost to -- in OT -- on the road.

    This body of work supports that between our two programs, Utah was the better team. And as the better team, that suggests you would have done WORSE than 5-7 had you played the same schedule.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 21, 2013 6:49 p.m.

    Thlete

    No need to twist numbers to prove anything; facts are facts. One game does not a season make. And winning two out of three of games on the final play of the game doesn't prove anything.

    Head-to-head wins are over-rated.

    In basketball, it's not uncommon for teams to split a home-and-home series. The only reason it doesn't happen more in football is because teams seldom play each other twice in the same season.

    That's why final records and final rankings are much more reliable measuring sticks in determining which team is better in a given season. Even Utah fans recognize this, EXCEPT when it comes to comparing Utah to BYU.

    If Utah finishes this coming season 11-1 and BYU finishes 1-11, but BYU beats Utah head-to-head, there's absolutely no way Utah fans would say that BYU was a better team than Utah.

    You know it; and we know it.

    So you can stop with the silly argument that one game out of twelve offers any definitive proof concerning which team is better in any particular season.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 21, 2013 6:51 p.m.

    "The environment at Utah is primed to suit any person whether they’re Caucasian, African-American or Polynesian, it doesn’t matter."

    So true!!

    Go UTES!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 21, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    LOL at your spin.

    BYU destroyed Georgia Tech (41-17) on the road, a team that easily handled USC (21-7) in the Sun Bowl, and as you're well aware, USC beat Utah (31-21) on Utah's home turf.

    If Utah had played BYU's schedule, the Utes would still have lost at least 7 games - to Utah State, Oregon State, Boise State, Notre Dame, Georgia Tech, San Jose State, and San Diego State - and that's assuming Utah qualified for a bowl by beating BYU in LES. And let's not forget the possibility of Utah losing to a team like NM St, since the Utes have demonstrated a propensity for being able to lose to ANYBODY - see 10-loss UNLV and 10-loss Colorado.

    Sagarin's final rankings say it all.

    BYU #26
    Utah #61

    Try as U might, the PACy WACers just aren't as good as their big brother.

    The final rankings prove it.

  • Utefanz Roy, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    I am not going to deligitamize BYU's NC. They got it. But to compare the pre-BSC to the BSC era football is rediculous. BYU beat no one in the top 25, I am purposely excluding Pitt as they went 3-7. Utah beat three top 25 teams, BYU, TCU, and Alabama. I puposely excluded Michigan for the same reason I did for Pitt. If the BSC used the same critera as they did in 1984, Utah has a NC. Utah didn't have a shot to win because of what bowl game they played due to rule. They could not jusmp above #2 in the final polls. And no the Coaches poll doesn't choose the NC in the BSC era. The NC game does. So if you are going to compare apples to apples, you have to use BYU's 1984 season to Utah's 2008 season and Utah had a way better resume than BYU.

  • Utefanz Roy, UT
    May 21, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    As too which team is better, BYU has had better records than Utah for the past two seasons. However it has been against the weakest opponets that Utah would have beaten aswell. If record was all that matter Utah would have been NC in 2008 and teams from the SEC would be rank lower than they are. The polls are peoples opinions not based in fact.

    Utah is a better team than BYU. With a quaterback that has no business in Div-1 football, and a new inexperienced OC Utah beat BYU and the end was closer than the game really was. With an actual quaterback and OC we demolished you in your own home. Yes you have had a better record, but you are not playing USC, UCLA, ect every week. You have two maybe three games that are difficult and then you have the rest with bottom dwellars. If any team deserves to be the best in the state it is USU. They were better than both BYU and Utah last year.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 21, 2013 7:54 p.m.

    Utefanz

    BYU 1984 beat Air Force(8-4) which finished #24 in the Final AP Poll; although not "technically" ranked because the AP Poll only included the Top 20 in 1984, Air Force did finish in the top 25 teams in the Final AP poll.

    Using "BCS rules" for 2008 is a cop out. USC won the AP National Championship in 2003 WITHOUT playing in the BCS championship game.

    USC and BYU both won AP National Championships in 2003 and 1984 under the exact same criteria - by being voted #1 in the Final AP Poll by a nation-wide panel of sportswriters.

    ---------

    Naval Vet

    Logic would suggest that if BYU was capable of beating #16/#17 Utah St., and only losing at #4/#3 Notre Dame by 3, only losing at #18/#14 Boise St. by 1, and only losing at #21/#21 San Jose St. by 6, that the Cougars could have beaten any and likely most of the 9 unranked teams on Utah's schedule.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    The concept that our from friends on the hill don't seem to understand is that college football history isn't created in a season-by-season bubble. National Championship and Heisman Trophy seasons are seldom the result of one exceptional season. Teams and players usually have to develop some "street cred" in previous seasons, before the national media will take them seriously.

    BYU's 1984 National Championship really began on September 8, 1979 when Marc Wilson, playing three days after an appendectomy, led BYU to an 18-17 win at Texas A&M. BYU's quest for an undefeated season came up just inches short when BYU's chip shot FG attempt hit the upright on the final play of the game and BYU lost to Indiana(8-4) 37-38. BYU finished the season 11-1 ranked #19/#16.

    In 1980, BYU opened the season with a disappointing 21-25 loss at New Mexico, then reeled off 12 straight wins, culminating in Miracle Bowl win over the famed Pony Express. BYU finished the season 12-1 ranked #20/#20.

    BYU beat Washington St(8-3-1) in the 1981 Holiday Bowl to finish the season 11-2 ranked #13/#11.

    (continued)

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    An "off" year in 1982, in which BYU finish 8-4 and unranked, was highlighted by a close 14-17 road loss to Hershel Walker's #4/#4 Georgia(11-1) team.

    BYU started 1983 with a close 36-40 loss at Baylor(7-4-1), before reeling off 11 straight wins, including road wins over #13/#15 Air Force(10-2) and #17/#13 UCLA(7-4-1), and a Holiday Bowl over Missouri in which Steve Young CAUGHT the winning TD. BYU finished the season 11-1 ranked #7/#7, setting up BYU's 1984 National Championship season.

    From 1979 to 1983, BYU was 53-9(86%), with FOUR Top 12 Finishes.

    1979 11-1 #13/#12
    1980 12-1 #12/#12
    1981 11-2 #13/#11
    1982 8-4 unranked
    1983 11-1 #7/#7

    It's easy to see why the pollsters were willing to give BYU 1984 the benefit of the doubt for playing a less than stellar schedule in 1984.

    BYU had already established their street cred and finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, completing the FIFTH Top 12 finish in six years.

  • DeepBlue Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 8:44 p.m.

    Correction, it was Indiana that was ranked #19/#16 in 1979 and SMU that was ranked #20/#20 in 1980.

  • Whatsnu Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:20 p.m.

    DeepBlue

    Street cred!

    Love it!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    @gored

    What case are you closing? Is it the case that BYU was found to be worthy and utah was found to be lacking by pretty much the exact same groups of people? In that case I agree with you. Thanks for your honesty.

  • lanius Woods Cross, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    Did a coug fan on the previous page really say that "head to head results are overrated?

    Awesome!

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 21, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    lanius

    "Did a Coug fan on the previous page really say that "head to head results are overrated?"

    Which team was better in 2003, Texas A&M(4-8) or Utah(10-2)?

    Which team was better in 2005, No Carolina(5-6) or Utah(7-5)?

    Which team was better in 2006, UNLV(2-10) or Utah(8-5)?

    Which team was better in 2011, Colorado(3-10) or Utah(8-5)?

    Which team was better in 2012, BYU(8-5) or Utah St(11-2)?

    Answer each question honestly and you'll have your answer why head-to-head results are often over-rated in determining which team is better.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 21, 2013 9:56 p.m.

    DeepBlue

    Nice summary!

    Doubtful it will change any of the biased opinions on the hill, but maybe they'll gain a smidgen of understanding of how a WAC team with a mediocre schedule could earn enough respect from all five national selecting organizations to be selected the Consensus 1984 National Champion.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2013 10:39 p.m.

    It should be noted byu played ND minus their QB and UTAH played against USC w/Carson Palmer, GT did not and had roughly 1 month to prepare for USC, minus CP.

    Also, byu has gotten USU the last two years at home....We all know what happened during their previous visit up there to Logan.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 21, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    Athlon Magazine recently named BYU's 1979 through 1985 era as one of

    College Football's Top 25 Greatest Dynasties of the AP Era

    25. BYU Cougars (1979-85): 77-12
    LaVell Edward’s high-flying, revolutionary offense rolled through opponents until the pollsters finally awarded BYU with the 1984 national championship.

    1979 11-1 #13/#12 WAC champion
    1980 12-1 #12/#12 WAC champion
    1981 11-2 #13/#11 WAC champion
    1982 8-4 unranked WAC champion
    1983 11-1 #7/#7 WAC champion
    1984 13-0 #1/#1 WAC champion, National champion
    1985 11-3 #16/#17 WAC champion

    Total 77-12(87%) 7 straight conference championships, 1 national championship

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 21, 2013 11:02 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    It should be noted that the Utes are always full of whiny excuses every time the Utes lose or the Cougars win.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 21, 2013 11:31 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    I seem to recall BYU's starting QB Riley Nelson suffering a cracked spine against Weber St in the 2nd game of the season, but that couldn't possibly have affected the outcome of BYU's close road losses at Utah(by 3), at #16 Boise State(by 1), at #3 Notre Dame(by 3), or at #21 San Jose St(by 6), now could it?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 21, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    That Era back then was ripe full of weak schedules, annually....LOL

    Nah, 3 straight victories for us, 4 of 5, 8 of 11 and the overall record by miles, 56-34-4....Owned.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    May 22, 2013 7:27 a.m.

    y fans are delusional and its an embarrassment to an organization saying head to head doesnt matter, If your team is not capeable of beating another team. Utah has domininated this series for the last decade. Utah would be 10-0 if not for 3 meraculous plays at the end in those losses.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 22, 2013 7:28 a.m.

    Please. UTAH had more than a handful of key-starters out early in the season, including both of our starting safeties, JWIV, etc.

    Our game last year was hardly a close game in its truest sense....Up 24-7 in the 4th quarter before a series of unforced mental-errors on our part, enabling 1 byu TD [Punt-Team] and extending their drive in order to produce the freak-show at its conclusion [w/our two FR ALL-America safties sitting the game out, byu rec is vacuously allowed behind them, which our starters would never have allowed to happen]....It was only justice that the DOINK ended the game.

    I still chuckle over Star forcing the high-snap, which ML turned into a TD, merely by lining-up over center and causing the byu center to panic out of fear and botch it....Now that's a perfect illustration of a forced-error.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 22, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    Utefanz:

    "Utah beat three top 25 teams, BYU, TCU, and Alabama."

    Correction: Utah beat FOUR Top-25 teams. You forgot about #18 Oregon St.

  • pocyUte Pocatello, ID
    May 22, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    I still question why some BYU fans on this board appear so obsessed with the opinions of Utah fans.

    So far Snack Pac is the only one who has answered the question. Really, BYU fans who continue to comment on here, I would like to know why you are so concerned with the opinions of Utah fans, and the goings on of the Utah sports programs.

    So please, enlighten me.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Utah fans are always "ripe full" of whiny excuses why Utah has never even come close to matching BYU's national accomplishments.

    Naval Vet

    The exact same pollsters who ranked OSU #18/#19, TCU #7/#7, BYU #25/#21, and Alabama #6/#6...

    ranked 2008 Utah #2/#4.

    The exact same pollsters who ranked Washington #2/#2, Florida #3/#6, Nebraska #4/#3, and Oklahoma #6/#6...

    ranked 1984 BYU #1/#1

    Live with it!!!

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 22, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    LOL at your selective memory.

    At 7:27 in the 3rd Q, BYU had the ball at Utah's 25 and was driving to tie or take the lead when an errant snap led to Mo Lee's scoop and score. Six minutes later, an 18-yard punt return and 39-yard scoring bomb gave Utah a brief 7-24 lead.

    2:14 later, BYU completed a 75-yard drive to cut Utah's lead to 14-24.

    After a couple of possession exchanges, BYU drove to Utah's 39, before punting to pin the Utes at their own 11. After stuffing the Utes on 4th down, BYU took possession at Utah's 20 and quickly scored to cut Utah's lead to 21-24 with 3:39 left in the game.

    After forcing another punt, BYU took possession at their own 8 with 1:11 left. BYU drove to the Utah 19, where BYU's 36-yard FG attempt bounced off the left upright allowing the Utes to escape with a narrow 3-point win.

    Utah's longest scoring drive was only 39 yards.

    First Downs
    BYU 25
    Utah 14

    Rushing
    BYU 106
    Utah 49

    Passing
    BYU 206
    Utah 196

    Total
    BYU 312
    Utah 245

  • Riddles in the Dark Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 22, 2013 9:17 a.m.

    u25

    "Y fans are delusional and its an embarrassment to an organization saying head to head doesnt matter"

    Y fans never said head-to-head doesn't matter; Y fans said head-to-head isn't the only criteria for determining which team is better.

    If you answered these questions honestly, then you know that to be true:

    Which team was better in 2003, Texas A&M(4-8) or Utah(10-2)?

    Which team was better in 2005, No Carolina(5-6) or Utah(7-5)?

    Which team was better in 2006, UNLV(2-10) or Utah(8-5)?

    Which team was better in 2011, Colorado(3-10) or Utah(8-5)?

    Which team was better in 2012, BYU(8-5) or Utah St(11-2)?

    It's obvious to any objective observer that overall records and season-ending rankings carry much more weight than individual head-to-head games.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    "If strength of schedule had mattered as much in 1984, BYU would not have been voted the national champions." -Sports Illustrated

    "By today's standards, there's no question we wouldn't have been number 1. There would have been four teams higher than us in the polls."
    -ROBBIE BOSCOE

    BYU was barely squeaking past teams on the third worst schedule in the country. They are the only team to be voted #1 without ever beating a single good team, and they played the worst bowl opponent a "champ" has ever faced. It was a joke.

    This is why byu "fans" will always feel a need to come onto Ute threads and defend their SHAMpionship.

    LOL

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    May 22, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    I love that the trolls on this thread (BYU fans) are here on an article that has nothing to do with them. Yet claim they are here because of a troll (Chris B), who isnt a real Utah fan by any standard. Y fans, get a grip will you. You won a National Championship 29 years ago, congrats.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 22, 2013 3:53 p.m.

    Deep Blue's numbers are correct. However they clearly define the problem with polls (especially pre-season polls). It shouldn't matter what a team did last season, or three years ago. They should only be ranked on what is happening during the current season.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    GO_COUGARS!

    "If strength of schedule had mattered as much in 1984, BYU would not have been voted the national champions." -Sports Illustrated

    Sports Illustrated is one of the media groups that selected BYU as the 1984 National Champion.

    Just because some hack journalist writing for Sports Illustrated has a different opinion 30 years later doesn't change that fact that BYU was selected National Champion by every major selecting organization of the day, unlike our jealous little friends on the hill, who finished a distant 2nd and 4th in their best season ever.

    Athlon Magazine recently recognized BYU 1979-1985 era as one the Top 25 All-Time Greatest Football Dynasties during the AP Era.

    Utah wasn't even mentioned in the also rans.

    LOL at the frantic and emotional spin from the kids on the hill!

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 22, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    For once we agree, to a degree.

    The polls have their place, but, the first poll shouldn't be taken until mid-October to give the pollsters a chance to separate the contenders from the pretenders.

    It's ridiculous that the polls establish an early pecking order so that a higher-ranked team has to lose in order for a lower-ranked team to move up.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 22, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    GO_COUGARS!

    If you're going to misquote someone, you should at least try to spell their name correctly.

    It's "Robbie BOSCO"

    BYU fans don't need to defend anything; they just feel inclined to help our misguided little brothers see the light.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    May 22, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    Why does there need to be so much hostility?

    In a spirit of brotherhood, let's all just come together and agree on two things:

    1) BYU WAS in fact awarded the 84 championship. They have the hardware to prove it.

    2) Everyone outside of Provo will always laugh at it, because it's ridiculous.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 22, 2013 7:31 p.m.

    GO_COUGARS!

    In the spirit of brotherhood, why don't you first stop pretending that you're anything other than a jealous BYU hater.

    1) BYU won the 1984 National Championship in exactly the same way as every AP national champion since 1936, by convincing the majority of sportswriters and coaches nationwide that BYU was more deserving of being National Champions than any other team.

    2) Only a few jealous detractors like you laugh at it, because there's nothing ridiculous about it.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 23, 2013 1:51 p.m.

    TroyTown:

    Seriously? A "USC" fan DEFENDING the most laughable "national champion" in the history of college football?

    Nope. I don't think so. It's well past time for you to finally admit that you're not really a "Trojan", but rather an uber embarrassed Indy-WACer. You really weren't fooling anyone anyway.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    May 23, 2013 3:49 p.m.

    navelvet

    "the most laughable "national champion" in the history of college football?"

    No that would be Utah 2008 who threw themselves a parade for finishing 2nd and 4th.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    May 23, 2013 5:37 p.m.

    mussingaround
    Right. National Champion and STILL on the outside banging on the door to get in. Now, that's respect. lol!

  • Christy B Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 23, 2013 10:13 p.m.

    On the "inside" and nothing but a bottom feeder; no National Championships, no Heisman Trophies, and only 5 lifetime AP Top 25 finishes.

    LOL!

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 25, 2013 9:12 p.m.

    After reading the several of these comments I'm reminded of one thing... the late Rodney Dangerfield.

    The typical Ute "fan" just epitomizes his famous line... "I get no respect"

    You Ute fans come off as whiny, bitter and jealous everytime the topic comes up... everytime.