Having heard both sides and talked to the local district, Common Core has
control problems. The districts say that the state school board is calling all
the shots on it and the state school board has been put in an bad situation. I don't mind having access to a national grassroots standard, as
long as we have the flexibility to amend/modify/add/delete anything to make it
better. I am not sure we have enough control. Math teachers I have
talked to believe the standard will do 2 things, help ACT scores rise and
decrease the number of students taking remedial math when they reach college.Many do not like the no text books and wants other options.There are those that would have taken 8th grade Algebra that would take
Calculus their senior year that should not have to waste their 8th grade and
could move faster and those that are not understanding the concepts, and may not
understand, that have traditionally been taught by rote.The
standard, a is a one size fits all approach, which will only work with the
middle students. Ask the teachers that have been teaching for 30 years.
The race to the top funding competition provided little time for the states to
adopt common core, so almost no legislatures were involved in the adoption
nationally. With the National Governors Association behind it, I am not
surprised it was signed in the approx. 2 months the states were given initially.
Federal Funds are the only enforcement tool, and we haven't got any of them
over this yet.I believe it was Governor Huntsman in 2009 who signed
up for this direction along with the state school board who was acting
constitutionally: "The general control and supervision of the public
education system shall be vested in a State Board of Education. ", were
within their duties. Saying the Feds are outside their constitutional powers is
one thing, which I agree with, but saying the state school board was outside
theirs is an argument that would be lost.The only thing the
legislature has done so far is raise concerns and provide some barrier to
federal control, calling it Utah's Common Core in the Statewide Adaptive
Testing request for proposal. The feds have lowered the student privacy laws and
so Utah has tied Utah's student privacy laws to any funding.
Education should be controlled by the local populace. Having raised children in
many states, I still see no reason for a common core curriculum run by the feds.
It was a great experience for our children to adjust. I am impressed by parents
who are home schooling their children. I am also against medicaid expansion.
The less the Feds are involved, the more control we have in the state. Lawful
immigration is acceptable. Illegal immigration is not acceptable in the U.S.A.
They need to show respect to us, return on their own, get in line, then they
will be welcome.
States will lose federal funding, or must create an approved &
complex/alternative curriculum, in order to get away from common core. Similar
to the IRS scandal, states rejecting common core will be singled out.Our children are being turned over to the feds.
@Utah_1, just as the State Board of Education adopted the Common Core, it has
the authority to "amend/modify/add/delete" the standards has it has done
for decades. Many of those screaming in opposition of the CCSS were screaming
for tougher math standards only a few short years ago. Now that they got tougher
standards they continue to scream that they are not good enough. The USBE has
always set the standards that district must meet. But districts, school and
classroom teachers set the curriculum of what is actually taught to meet the
standards set. That is plenty of local control.@Sally, There is no
"common core curriculum run by the feds." There are common core
standards developed by the National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of
Chief State School Officers (CCSSO)that have been adopted by states but there is
a big difference between educational standards and curriculum. The Federal
Government offered State Offices of Education grants based on the standards that
they set but that does not equate to the Federal government taking away local
control of education. Utah did not win a grant. However, they were granted a
waiver from No Child Left Behind.
I'm confused by the misinformation being given by the opponents, and think
its a bit disingenuous. At the beginning of the year meeting with m y
child's kindergarten teacher this year, she said that she'd bee
teaching kindergarten for 20 years, but that now, with the new standards, she
would effectively be teaching first grade, because of the new requirements
placed on the children. Doesn't this suggest an increase in rigor?
Common core is rotten to the core. Our state board thinks that we will maintain
control. NO WAY. The tests will come our of AIR a very liberal organization.
We are told that Utah will decide the test questions. Then, when pushed, our
state board says, well actually AIR will give them to us and no parents will
have input.The standards are dumber! My 8th grader is repeating
math from last year. American exceptional-ism is already eroding from the
discussion. Science will teach man made global warming is real. Bill Gates has
funded most of this initiative. Tracking detail about students, not just
academic, but all aspects of students is already being planned. Wake up. This is granting control of education to outside entities, to 3rd
parties outside of Utah. Mark Tucker's goal of creating a national
education administered from the Federal level is becoming a reality. We are
jumping into the river that is taking us right over the cliff to a Federal
education system with common core. Obama himself said he established
the new common core standards during his debate with Romney.. Wow.
Common Core standards are exactly what the name suggests...common and mediocre.
I am opposed to CC because I have read the actual material/lesson plans that are
being introduced into our schools. the instructions to teachers are especially
enlightening as regards the move away from American values and toward global
values. Those who support CC either have not read this material or they are more
concerned with the Federal dollars that are connected to implementing CC than
they are with the social engineering curriculum of the material itself that is
being taught to our children. CC is another massive Federal overreach, this time
for control over our children's education. Parents really need to stop
listening to those who have bought into CC and look at the actual curriculum
materials. Most Utah families would be appalled at what they find.
How can any Utahn who considers him/herself a lover of the Constitution not
throw this back in the face of the Federal Government? How can anyone with a
lick of common sense that has eyes to see look around and say, "Yup,
I'm sure the Federal Government has the answers on this because wow, look
at what they have been able to do with everything else they're
running." This is an absolute deal between business and government. The
EDUCATION of our children is not the same as preparing them for the workforce!
Say that you want this if you want, but don't say you are a lover of the
Constitution. liberty, and local control!
All Hands on Deck, Moabmom and bandersen,Are you members of the Eagle
Forum? You sound like it since you seem to be part of a few vocal people now
fighting the implementation of the new standards. Did you attend the earlier and
extensive public hearings convened by the Board? Didn't you speak up then?
Or are you followers of an ultra-conservative group outside of Utah who deny the
truth about how the standards were created.I respect the rights of the
minority to object; but I expect our state leaders to respect the authority of
the Utah State Board to govern public education and to recognize the public
hearing processes the Board convened for months ahead of standards adoption when
the majority of attendees expressed support for the rigor of the new Utah Core
Standards.Now is not the time to reverse gears and yield to the
unreasonable demands of a few.
The amount of misinformation and outright lies about Common Core is simply
incredible among its opponents.
Unfortunately the anti-CommonCore crowd are telling the truth, and
are demonized, name-called, belittled by the extreme left for it.CommonCore is a huge step in the federal takeover of local education.Which means the loss of local and parental control of our local schools.and loss of privacy of students,It's lowers standards,
and lowers learning methods.It isn't pro-constitution nor
pro-American in teaching true and full history and love for country.It doesn't lift up but lowers all to the lowest common denominator. Hence
the name.The pro-CommonCore crowd are lieing about it.CommonCore was created by the far left, "progressives" or communists
by any other name, They were NOT originally developed by the
National Governor's Assoc. and the Council of Chief State School Officers
(CCSSO), though they may have given to those groups later for approval or
amendment.There're a lot lies and misinformation coming from
the proCommonCore crowd. As you can see in the comments here, they
will personally attack and minimize anyone who gives the real truth about
CC.CommonCore isn't good for anyone, but those who seek power
and control over the people.
I want to thank Benjamin for contacting me and for the excellent article. Just
one minor correction: the committee had four members, not three. When I
presented the resolution, I asked what the specific objections were. Holly
Richardson led the discussion. "It's inflammatory." When I asked
specifically where, she pointed out the first statement that the standards were
inferior and that this was not state-led but the result of a collaboration of
non-profit organizations and stimulus money. This is entirely factual. The other "inflammatory" statement was that the standards
comprise an "unproven experiment" lacking "empirical evidence."
Utah adopted the standards in 2009 in a race for stimulus money before they were
even written. Two members of Common Core's validation committee, Sandra
Stotksy and James Milgram (language arts and math professors respectively) have
been outspoken in their objections of lower standards and have testified in
several states against them. We extend an invitation to the
committee members and anyone who would like to learn more. Utahns Against
Common Core has a dot com blog site for more info. on upcoming events.
I wish to thank the reporter for a good article. One minor correction - it was a
committee of four, not three. I asked them about the objections.
Holly Richardson said it was "inflammatory." I asked specifically
where? Two passages: "inferior national standards" and "unproven
experiment" lacking "empirical evidence." She also claimed that the
statement that the Common Core initiative was not a state-led. The
one-page resolution contains 46 meticulously researched citations and more
co-sponsors than any resolution in a Republican convention, along with over
5,500 petitions signers. Two formidable educators that stand with
us on those "inflammatory" statements are Stanford Math Professor
Emeritus James Milgram, and U of Arkansas Endowed Chair Quality Teaching, Dept
of Education Reform Sandra Stotsky, both noted in their fields. Both also served
on the Common Core validation committee and have publicly objected to the
lowered and untried standards and have testified against them. Google Utahns Against Common Core, and all the evidence you need is available
for review. We invite the members of that committee to attend an upcoming
event, along with others who may want to learn more.
Why not be truthful and honest when debating things such as Common Core? All
the dishonesty and fear-mongering that the opponents of common core are using
has been quite amusing, but doesn't reveal the motive of the individuals
behind the rhetoric. Common Core does not take away local control. It merely
states standards for which the schools plan curriculum and instruction to
achieve.Frankly, the standards the school board sets do not matter
as much as whether they remain consistent over the long stretch. With all the
yearly meddling of the state legislature and school board everything gets
muddled and kids get the short end of the stick. We need to stick to one set of
standards and don't change them or testing for at least a decade.
The IRS will control medical life making decisions, while the feds manage
education.Can we trust an organization who created a 17 trillion
dollar debt, and impoverished our country?
It is very easy to look to our community and think that we have everything we
need to sustain a child's developmental needs. That could be true at the
level of religion and family values. But at the academic level, a student /
scholar needs to atleast consider ideas that come from outside the immediate
community for a good education even is they do not agree with them.The Eagle forum is opposed to that and are very vocal in their opposition.
UtahnsAgainstCommonCore claim that they are opposed to the process adopting the
common core because the public was not involved. That same public has not been
too involved in the past either. Parents are best qualified to present religious
and family values to their children. The educators who approved the use of
common core are qualified to decide on academic standards. The teachers are
qualified to pick specific curriculum and adapt as they go along. Look to your
child's teachers not EagleForum.Let's stop acting as if
the sky is falling and give common core a chance. Let's not mix community
values with updated academic standards.Official CC content can be
found at corestandards dot org.
I find this whole argument over the common core fascinating and silly.The misinformation by its opponents to fight against it is reaching ridiculous
levels. Since it has such vocal resistance in this state, it is doomed to fail
even if it had good concepts.Its proponents saying it will
revolutionize education also have me laughing out loud. How do we know? Just
because a bunch of educrats and politicians made this up doesn't mean it
will work.Finally, is there any student or parent accountability
pieces. Again, unless this is changed in education the fight over the common
core is just paramount to arguing where to put the deck chairs on the Titanic
prior to iceberg collision.
Let me simplify this:* Common Core is not about
education,--it's control over American children.Similarly:* Obama Care isn't about the health the American people,--it's
control.We're slowly walking into a communistic trap, and our
people can't see it. I'd rather be a nut, then correct.
Yesterday at the GOP convention a huge thing happened. The Republican state
delegations voted to support the ANTI-Common Core resolution by over 65%. Those
of us who care about local control, about high quality, tested and legitimate
standards, and about the Constitutional right to education WITH representation,
are relieved. Why didn't the Deseret News report on this huge turn of
@Momma CDNews did report on the "huge" news. I found it
covered in two or three sentences on the article talking about the convention
where they chose to keep the current caucus system as is. Everyone expected the
Convention was going to adopt some anti-common core agenda because it was the
Republican convention.Getting rid of the Common Core would be highly
disruptive to testing and accountability if the legislature forces the elected
school board to change course. The state has been in transition using the
higher/different standards for two years. Next year the state will have fully
adopted common core and have wasted millions on computer adaptive testing tied
to common core. The state will have to pony out more money to realign the tests
to the old standards.What the legislature should do is nothing.
They should stop meddling in education EVERY year. Kids thrive on consistency.
Leave education alone for a long period of time and the results will be better
than if we change standards/testing every year like we currently do.
The Common Core did not come from the government. It came from the fact that
some kid could take Algebra in Virginia, move to Utah, and as his math teacher I
would have no idea what he'd learned because Algebra in Virginia meant
something different than it did in Utah. Most states are still using the
traditional Algebra, Geometry, Algebra II format. Utah chose to go a different
route that uses a spiraling curriculum. It's the same content, but
they've all been combined together, and then it gets deeper and deeper each
year. It does a great job of helping students think for themselves (maybe
that's why so many of these groups are against it) instead of having
formulas drilled into them, and helping them see the connections between
subjects that before seemed unrelated.Again, participation was
voluntary. Yes, there have been implementation issues, but once they're all
worked out it will be better for students. Students can still take an
accelerated track, though it does leave something to be desired as far as
helping the struggling student (never been too big of a priority for our
legislature). Please legislature, stay out of education.