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  • casual observer Salt Lake City, UT
    May 14, 2013 1:30 p.m.

    Sounds as if the PAC 12 recognizes BYU as a big draw money tree even if they passed them over because of their religious convictions.

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 14, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    A PAC-12 opponent willing to play the Y! If: Arizona projected to make 50% more and be given twice as many complimentary tickets and PAC-12 has media rights. I thought it was interesting the Y's copy of the contract was shown. That way any hand written comments as to why it was structured with a "neutral site" (in Arizona) would not be shown. If they had been some might considered this a two for one contrary to the Y's position of never again accepting such an agreement. Love it! Note: all games in September. I thought only Utah wouldn't schedule them in November.

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 14, 2013 2:42 p.m.

    Love the neutral site games. I went the BYU vs TCU game at Cowboy stadium in 2011. There were as many BYU fans as Horned Frogs. I'm sure BYU will be well represented at this neutral site game also.

    If BYU had stayed in the MWC, and played Wyoming; I wonder what the payout would be? And would I rather travel to Phoenix or Laramie? I'm sure by the time we get to 2016, the schedule will look a lot like the 2013 schedue, which is just as good as a Big12 or PAC schedule.

    Don't get me wrong; I'd still prefer to be in the Big12, but Indy is so much better than MWC for football.

  • Smart Aleck Vancouver, WA
    May 14, 2013 2:43 p.m.

    BYU is willing to trade some of the payoff for exposure in a market with high concentrations of U of A alum and BYU alum. It perpetuates BYU's philosophy that scheduling The Cougars can be lucrative because exposure, not money, is BYU's primary motivation. This is one of the best examples of how BYU's quest for home-home-neutral series is supposed to work.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    May 14, 2013 5:07 p.m.

    If giving the better deal to the BCS teams is what we have to do, in order to be able to play them, so be it.

    It is worth the trade difference in order to get the exposure.

    Once we start winning those BCS teams on a consistant basis, that will be the time
    that we can start demanding equality. Until than, perhaps we are not equal.

    We should not complain until we can show that indeed we can win as many games or more vs those BCS
    that now get the better pay.

    Don't we get the better deal when we play teams like Idaho, Idaho State, UNLV. If not, perhaps we should.

  • Ronald Uharriet SWun City, Ca.
    May 14, 2013 5:23 p.m.

    If all were perfect and all was fair in college football, which it isn't, we should complain about the uneven payout and advantages all going to Arizona including money, free tickets and State that the neutral playing field is being played in,
    (Arizona and not Utah, or Nevada).

    Since the happenings in college football are not always fair, perhaps, we should not complain when a team with greater National Respect, i.e. a team from a BCS Conference, plays a Mid Major Team, be that Mid Major Team coming from a Mid Major Conference or be they an Independent, I think that the Mid Majors should not complain and accept the unfairness as a fact that part of the privilege of playing the BCS team is to compensate that BCS team as indicated in the posted contract.

    My question is: When BYU plays teams like Idaho or Idaho State, do we get an advantage? Is our share of the pot larger than that of Idaho or Idaho State or other lesser schools? Do we get more free tickets? Do we get the advantage of where the games are played in the series?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 6:23 p.m.

    So Arizona gets to play TWO games in AZ to only ONE game in Utah, they get twice as many comp tickets as their opponent, scheduled to receive a 45% HIGHER payout, and they get to play the first two games of the series up front instate?

    Sure looks likes like little brother got the shorter, "mid-majorey" end of the deal to me. Thanks Ryan Carreon! I got a good chuckle out of your article. Were you laughing while you were writing it?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 6:44 p.m.

    WACfaninTX:

    "I'm sure by the time we get to 2016, the schedule will look a lot like the 2013 schedue, which is just as good as a Big12 or PAC schedule."

    Nope. You're '13 schedule is most certainly NOT Pac-12/Big 12 worthy. There appears to be way too many mid-majors on it to be in the same elite BCS class as the Pac-12/Big 12. I'm sure your '16 schedule will be just as mid-majorey, if not moreso.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    May 14, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    This payout is as good as many bowl games. The exposure for BYU is actually better than a game in Tucson and I'm glad that there will be Big 12 referees. No more PAC12 homecooking from the officials.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 14, 2013 7:32 p.m.

    I'm glad so many ankle-biters are enjoying so much trying to rile the true blue by pointing out what this is not, rather than what it is.

    How much will Utah earn that weekend?

    How many sets of eyes will watch Utah's game that weekend?

    And IF Arizona backs out of the third game, how much will Utah earn that year for not playing somebody?

    Now, for the record, I don't care about the answers. I don't care what Utah is or isn't doing, who they are or are not playing and how much they are or are not making. It appears Arizona is VERY happy to be playing BYU. Playing BYU is big money.

  • Where is your NC? Denver, CO
    May 14, 2013 7:38 p.m.

    Naval Vet,

    You're right, BYU's '13 schedule with 4-5 ranked teams on it isn't better than your Pac 10+2 schedule with 2 ranked teams. Utah, CO, and WSU are to the Pac 10 what WYO, UNM, and UNLV were to the MWC. Shoot, you don't even have the second toughest schedule in the state!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 8:42 p.m.

    Where is your NC?:

    To what rankings were you referring? Neither the AP nor the Coaches polls have been released yet, and the only polls I'd seen thus far were titled "Way too early...".

    Hold you're horses. Phil Steele will release his preseason publication in about 5-wks. Then we'll know. And I'll betcha he ranks our SOS as tougher than yours, and you'll run off and change your handle to another name.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Not sure why anyone says that BYU gets the worse deal here. You can't tell from the term sheet who gets the better deal. All of the commenters have only mentioned the revenues. What about the expenses? Surely there are real expenses right?

    Who pays those? Oh, it says right there, AZ pays most of the expenses. HMMMM...... well then, is it possible that BYU walks away with more in profits?? It's impossible to know from just this sheet.

    But ignoring expenses when trying to calculate profit seems a bit silly to me.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 14, 2013 11:33 p.m.

    I chuckle at byu fans on this thread referencing, in an obviously vain attempt, a "comparison" of our respective schedules and the strength of each. Please. Two Top-5 teams in Stanford/UO, alone, dwarf the entirety of byu's schedule. We all witnessed in conclusion of this last season how utterly unworthy ND was, for instance, of ever legitimately being even remotely considered to be at this same Elite level. No amount of Spin comes close to altering this proven fact.

    Has byu succeeded in enhancing their SOS, on paper, for 2013? Certainly, nobody disputes this, but they, unequivocally, don't face a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule, whatsoever. For comparison, just simply reference our six-game stretch, midseason, in 2013, as clear evidence.

    This leads up to the three-game series this article dicusses. AIl know byu has a good size chunk of their fanbase down here in PHX-Metro, but where do think the vast majority of ua students relocate to, upon graduating from ua? Michigan? Florida?

    Not only is their fanbase enormous down here, but the figures discussed within this article further cement how utterly one-sided it is, in BCS ua's favor.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 14, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    The BCS is dead. Its funeral will be in January. So why are people still talking about BCS conferences as if the term carries any relevance?

    The landscape of college football will shortly look much more like March Madness than the BCS. While Football will never have a 64 team tournament, I suspect they'll be at 8 (and then 12 and then 16) sooner rather than later and there will be multiple paths to qualify...and if I am to believe those who trumpet what a daunting death march a PAC-12 schedule is, the more feasible path to selection may be an Independent schedule with a couple of high profile wins.

    Any reasonable observer would agree the likelihood of BYU or Utah getting in the tournament anytime soon is a long shot, but it's time to acknowledge that membership in the PAC-12 may be more of an impediment to Utah's chances than an advantage.

    It's far more likely that either Utah or BYU would qualify for the tournament as an Independent with two signature wins than it would be that either one of them would win the PAC-12. BYU may indeed have the easier path.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 15, 2013 7:37 a.m.

    I'm humored by the remarks over SOS by our little sisters up north.

    The poor Utes were so eager to play 'big boy' football and now they bring up the sad fact that their SOS is tough. That must be 'code speak' for an excuse to losing a lot of games.

    And here comes the opportunity for BYU to play its best schedule ever and we have jealous Utesies worried about it.

    LOL

  • Howard S. Taylorsville, UT
    May 15, 2013 7:40 a.m.

    BYU will likely lose money on the "neutral" site game.

    First, BYU has to pay its own travel costs.

    Second, in order to balance the home/away schedule Tom Holmoe will have pay an FCS team to come to LES on a one and done basis.

    At best the Cougs break even.

    Not only does AZ get more money for the neutral site game they won't have the same level of travel costs, and the PAC12 owns the broadcast rights.

    These are the kinds of one-sided deals BYU has to agree to with its weaker negotiating position against the big boys.

  • ManInTheMiddle SANDY, UT
    May 15, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    Howard,
    Where's your proof. What are the travel expense of the Cougs? You really think they are over $800k?
    Also, what are AZ costs to host the event? What is their advertising budget etc.
    Do you know your statement to be true or are you estimating? If they lose money I'd like to know.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    RE: AZUte

    "Has byu succeeded in enhancing their SOS, on paper, for 2013? Certainly, nobody disputes this, but they, unequivocally, don't face a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule, whatsoever."

    Seriously? Well, let's see, the most criticized part of BYU's schedule has always been November scheduling, so let's use that as a comparison...

    Utah's 2013 November games: ASU, Oregon, WSU, Colorado.
    BYU's 2013 November games: Wisconsin, Idaho State, Notre Dame, Nevada

    Now, I agree that Utah's schedule for 2013 is pretty solid and the six week grind you referenced (which includes BYU) will certainly be tough. But you can't honestly say that BYU isn't facing an equally tough slate. Texas, Boise State, Wisconsin, and Notre Dame are as good or better than the top four teams the Utes face. Both teams are looking at very difficult schedules for 2013.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 10:48 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan--

    "Seriously? Well, let's see, the most criticized part of BYU's schedule has always been November scheduling, so let's use that as a comparison...

    Utah's 2013 November games: ASU, Oregon, WSU, Colorado.
    BYU's 2013 November games: Wisconsin, Idaho State, Notre Dame, Nevada"

    November? No, it's been the entirety of their schedule which has consistently been under scrutiny. Last year was merely an extreme ex RE: Nov, but byu's sched is punctuated with weeks off in between their tougher games, annually. 2013 is no exception, with two strategically placed bye-weeks prior to games against UTAH/WISC, MTSU GT from the weak ACC, UH, ID ST and a UNR team whose time in the sun has clearly run its course, particularly with breaking in a brand-new HC in replacing their legend.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 10:51 a.m.

    [Cont'd]

    Furthermore, this six-game stretch I referenced did NOT include byu, but I could've extended it to eight-games by including OSU/byu, four on the road. byu's schedule doesn't even remotely touch it in level-of-difficulty and Stanford/UO, alone, are light-years ahead of any two teams on byu's schedule. Both of these schools are legitimate Top-5 teams. Our six-/eight-games stretch[es] is 100% relentless, which is unequivocally foreign to byu.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    "Stanford/UO, alone, are light-years ahead of any two teams on byu's schedule."

    Last year Wisconsin played in the Rose bowl and Notre Dame played in the National Championship. Light years? Try again.

  • WON84 PLANO, TX
    May 15, 2013 11:32 a.m.

    LOL at the Ute fans here still trying to prove themselves. This article is about BYU and Arizona...Not your Juco commuter school in Salt Lake. Sorry you didn't get in. Bye.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2013 11:38 a.m.

    RE: AZUTE1

    If you're talking about "entirety of their schedule" than why do you leave off who Utah is playing at the beginning and end of their season (USU, Weber State, WSU, Colorado)? That doesn't look like "a true, relentless week-in, week-out grind of a schedule" to me. Indeed, that looks very much like New Mexico, Idaho, etc.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 11:44 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan--

    "Last year Wisconsin played in the Rose bowl and Notre Dame played in the National Championship. Light years? Try again."

    Last year, WISC backed-into their conf champ game/The Rose Bowl as the third-place finisher in their division behind OSU/PSU, both of which WISC lost to, due to these two schools having been previously rendered ineligible for the post-season. Furthermore, WISC lost to none other than, Stanford, in The Rose Bowl.

    Regarding ND, the epic-fashion in which they were so utterly/thoroughly destroyed in The NC Game, they not only proved they had zero business playing in this game, in the first place, but showed they belonged nowhere even remotely within the Top-10. Try again. And while you're at it, go ahead and address the entirety of my previous comment. Thanks in advance!!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 11:55 a.m.

    Wiscougarfan--

    This 8-game stretch constitutes 2/3 of UTAH's schedule and is the perfect illustration for a 100% relentless, week-in/week-out grind of a schedule which, literally, offers not even remotely even one, single week of reprieve, whatsoever.

    Furthermore, byu also plays a usu team which we both know, unequivocally, is not even remotely close to being the perennial bottom-feeder they've been know to be, historically. And Weber State is light-years ahead of what is arguably the single worst program in all of the FCS in Idaho State. WAZZU/CU are not world-beaters, but they possess significantly greater overall talent/coaching than MTSU/UH/UNR, combined. Again, GT hails from the weak-ACC.

    byu's schedule is punctuated with weeks-off in-between their tougher games, throughout. This fact is so blatantly obvious, it's utterly mind-boggling that you're even remotely conceiving of debating it, let alone actually following through with it. Surreal, actually.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 15, 2013 11:59 a.m.

    WON84

    "LOL at the Ute fans here still trying to prove themselves. This article is about BYU and Arizona...Not your Juco commuter school in Salt Lake. Sorry you didn't get in. Bye."

    Huh? Didn't get in? What in the world are you talking about? And in typical-fashion, you don't even bother specifically commenting on what the article, itself, discussed, but rather merely reference the two-schools mentioned.

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 15, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Sorry, I was just trying to apply Ute-logic to your statements so I based my previous comment of "strength of a team" by BCS bowl appearances, which is usually the only metric that holds up when discussing football with Ute fans. Since the two most prestigious bowls (again, according to Ute fans) are the Rose Bowl and the National Championship (probably in that order) I figured that two teams that played in those bowls last season would be considered formidable opponents.

    Of course more rational people would look at end-of-season rankings as a more accurate metric for a team's success. Last season Oregon (#2) and Stanford (#7) did indeed finish high. But I don't know if that is light years ahead of Notre Dame (#4), USU (#16), Boise State (#18), and Texas (#19).

    If you're going to make outlandish claims (i.e. "Two Top-5 teams dwarf the entirety of byu's schedule") maybe you should try providing evidence to back those claims. Especially when your claims go contrary to what all other trolls are saying (i.e. BYU's schedule is weak because it includes a few Idaho-type teams).

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    I find it funny that Utah fans want to say how much tougher their schedule is. There's only two reasons for programs to bring up how strong their SOS is. 1) to make an argument about deserving to be in the NC and future final four playoff or 2) to make excuses for their failures. We all know which one fits Utah...and will for the foreseeable future. So whenever Utah fans bring up SOS all I hear is excuses, excuses, excuses. I've already said it before avg BCS ranking of Utah's opponents was 47.63 to BYUs 55.16 last year. Those are human voters and computers rankings, arguably the most accurate there could be. The week in week out argument is just another excuse...Utah didn't have to play the top end teams BYU did, which take a lot out if a team especially when you have to face them on the road. It's time to put up or shut up for Utah, otherwise SOS arguments are just excuses.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 15, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    AZUTE:
    I also love how you minimize ND because they were easily beat in the NC and Wisconsin because they backed into the rose bowl and were beat by "none other than Stanford".
    Well lets see, using your logic this makes Stanford so much better..."light years" ahead of ND and Wisconsin (your words). Oh, except that Stanford lost to ND, and ND beat USC in Los Angeles. It appears ND would have done just fine in the PAC 12 last year. So either you're saying the PAC 12 isn't as good as you think it is, or ND is better than you're giving them credit. Which is it?
    As far as Wisconsin they shredded a pretty good Nebraska team in the big ten CG last year, and by all accounts are expecting their second half of the season improvements from last year carry over to this year. Again, it just sounds like excuses and whining when you try and minimize BYUs opponents to make your schedule look tougher. Utah's schedule was indeed tougher, just not by much, and BYUs top end opponents were definitely tougher despite your failed attempts at discrediting them.

  • Cougarista Salt Lake City, UT
    May 15, 2013 3:08 p.m.

    I hope Ute fans have as much interest in their won team as they have in BYU. For some it is becoming a fetish.

  • 2BCSWINS West of I15, UT
    May 16, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    @Won84andnothingelse.........."your Juco commuter school in Salt Lake"

    LOL...Cougies have lost 4 in a row 9 of 12 after this year and have been absolutley dominated not only in last couple of decades but overall by a Juco commuter school in Salt Lake.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    May 16, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Naval Vet,

    Are you going to the game? You seem to have more interest in BYU football than Utah football. I am a vet also so I would like to make a request. Please represent us better! Mocking words and slurs drag down our military image. Please be aware of who you are and who you represent? Thanks and thanks for your service!

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    May 16, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    Some Ute fans here sound like they're trying to start an elementary school playground-style name calling fight. Give me a break! Both BYU and Utah will play great schedules this season. BYU will just have better exposure while doing so!

  • CataniaCoug Salt Lake City , UT
    May 16, 2013 6:48 p.m.

    To those Utah fans talking about tough competition every week I have 1 question. Why did Chris Hill stop the rivalry? He said that Utah has too tough of a schedule and he needs to drop BYU because they can't play that caliber of competition every week. BYU and UTAH have had very similar competition the past two years and have very similar schedules this year. SOS doesn't matter, wins are what matter. Utah couldn't even get into their conference championship game and that was without playing the two toughest teams in the PAC12. BYU and Utah have a lot to prove this season to show the country what kind of programs they really are. They only beat us these past 3 years because Riley was our QB. Now we won't have that as an excuse so let's see what happens this year. GO COUGS!!!

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    May 16, 2013 8:31 p.m.

    2BCSWINS
    West of I15, UT

    Talk about BYU fans living in a bubble! Only on the hill do they count a win in the future based on the last game.

    Of special interest, Utah fans were predicting a total annihilation of BYU this last year based on the humiliation from the year before, this game being played in slc, superior recruiting, PAC whatever officials, and on, and on. Keep predicting, but I predict that BYU fans will be teaching Utah fans the proper way to storm the field.

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 17, 2013 2:46 a.m.

    I just took the "under" on Utah winning less than 5 games this year... I have them for 3 and possibly 4 wins max...

    On BYU take the over at 8 games... I believe they win 9 or possibly 10...

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 17, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    I see that the DN censors are doing their lopsided editing again...Typical... When does the Utah Alums and Utah Biased editors go home so that we can have equal editing again? You (MR. Censorship) need to be fair and equal on what you allow to be printed... There is nothing wrong with what I said and you denied it... Yet you let AZUTE, Naval Vet, and Chris B come out with defaming remarks all day and all night long...

    I want to appeal your denial, so please tell us all you do that???

  • poyman Lincoln City, OR
    May 17, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    @ AZUTE

    Let me give you a few corrections to your post... ND beat Stanford last year and Stanford beat Oregon, yet you think that ND was weak in comparison??? General rule of thumb... It's hard to convince anyone that a given team is weaker than the teams they beat.

    Your post at Wiscougarfan was amusing... You could tell that as you were writing it that you knew your point was becoming weaker by the word... Wisconsin, ND, Nevada and yes Idaho State as a group are every bit as tough opponents as ASU, Oregon, WSU and Colorado... In fact the only decent team in that last group, based on records the past 5 years, is Oregon... Then you quickly want to jump away from the November comparison because you know your logic had crumbled... Classic.

    Then to suggest we needed a week off to prepare for Utah after playing Texas? I had to laugh out loud at that one. Truth is that BYU plays only 2 teams that are weaker than Utah on their 2013 schedule... ISU and MTSU (and the second one is a maybe)... In other words, Utah would go 2-10 with the Cougs 2013 schedule.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 17, 2013 5:24 p.m.

    @poyman

    That is standard practice for dnews censors. They appear to be utah "fans" and allow other utah "fans" to post anything they like. For awhile they were even allowing them to post 600 word novels while limiting BYU fans to the supposed 200 word minimum. Meanwhile even the tamest of remarks that in anyway expose the truth about utah, and its "fans", is generally censored right out of existence.

  • Guam_Bomb BARRIGADA, GU
    May 18, 2013 4:46 a.m.

    Pac 12 has the TV rights? So Utah could make money on the revenue from the game?