I am not worried. Whit will take us to the top of the nation, just
like he already did. Who is the last team to beat Alabama in a bowl
game? We are. We will compete for, if not win the south this year
There will be roses within a couple years Those who
don't believe didn't believe we would beat Alabama in our second bcs
game. With in state recruiting domination and 7 out of 8 wins last 8
games against in state opponents, it's clear there is one and only one
national program in the state
Dear Utah state and byu:We encourage all to support the only team in
Utah worthy of a bcs conference inviteThe university of Utah utes.
Our 2013 seniors will get a perfect 4-0 sweep against our former rivalsThat would be embarrassing to never beat your rival your entire careerLolThe big pac12 wins will come soon
"Although the official polls for this year won't be released until the
end of July, early projections peg the Utes near the bottom of the pack."Looks like the PAC 10.2 has finally accepted the Utes as their official
whipping boy; 3-9 is a real possibility next season, with losses to BYU and Utah
State. Luckily the Utes have Weber State on their schedule so they can still
claim they're the 3rd best team in the state.
@anti BCSAnaheim, CAThe Utes beat both byu and UCLA last year.
What are you crowing about?
What are you talking about? The utes are undefeated against Washington State
and split with Colorado. what else do you expect?
Utah needs to take care of business at home and knock off some conference foes
on the road. I'm not sold on Wilson at QB, but at east there's depth
at the position. It's nice to know that 3-0 in non-conference play is
highly likely. It's also nice to know that 10-2 would probably get you a
BCS bowl game. Not to mention all the other nice bowl games the PAC 12 ties
into. I guess my screen name might be anti BCS too, if the team I pulled for had
NO chance of getting to a BCS bowl and I was on the outside looking in.
It's gotta be tough to be the little guy on the block.
Hey ekute, the utes didn't beat UCLA last year. Try to keep up.
oops. Well, we would of beat UCLA if we would of "executed at a higher
level". "We made mistakes, we didn't execute to out full
potential, and we beat ourselves"
@ekute, U also lost to Utah State. And U barely beat BYU...at home. Not much
to brag about!
Thanks for the daily dose of comedy Christine. That's just hilarious -
times 3.Looks like you copied and pasted your same "mark it
down" type comments from the last 2 years again this year. One of these
days reality will surely set in, won't it???When did Whit take
you to the top of the nation? We must have missed that one. Alabama is getting
smaller and smaller in your rear view mirror. What have you done on the field
lately?If you finished at the bottom of the PAC with a more
favorable schedule your first 2 years how do you ever think this year will be
your big breakthrough? Get back to us when the pigs start flying in East Salt
Lake or when snowmen start lasting for days in downtown Phoenix during July.If it aids your fantasy I hear you can buy a dozen roses at Walmart for
the rollback price of $14.99 this weekend. Other than through your crimson
glasses that'll be the only chance again this year you'll have of
seeing anything rose colored.
Crissy B and other Ute fans are hanging the ENTIR season's success on
beating BYU, regardless of many other wins they get. Pretty sad that they have
not figured out that a successfuls eason like BYU's means more wins than
losses and a bowl game.Sorry Utes but the article was spot on. Truth
really bites.I love my independance.
I don't count Chris B as a Ute fan. She/he is just a pot stirring troll.
Don't feed him/her.I am not hanging my season on beating byu at
all. A loss to byu wouldn't be that big of a deal for us. Even with a
loss, we'd still have 3 of the last 4. BYU fans on the other hand, REALLY
NEED a win this year regardless of how their season goes. Losing 4 in a row
going into a two year hiatus would be bad news. What I want to see
this year as a Utah fan is progress. We need to get to a bowl game. We need to
see some real progress on the offensive side of the ball. I think we will.Go Utes!
Everyone knows I'm a BYU fan but I have to admit that these down years for
Utah is more than just playing in the PAC. Their teams of just a few years ago
would have kicked butt on the teams of the last two years--- regardless of
conference affiliation. It seems reality is setting in that being IN the
conference means nothing if you don't win some games. Whitt and the team
knows this and maybe now the fans will realize it too. Every big conference has
a bottom half that no one cares about. Utah needs to win so they don't
join their ranks-- otherwise the PAC patch and BYU wins will be all you have.
"U also lost to Utah State. And U barely beat BYU...at home. Not much to
brag about!"But we did beat byU 3 times last year. That makes it
5 in row and 10 out of 13.And your right. "Not much to brag
Unlike a couple of U who are BYU bashers, I'm not a Ute basher. I'm
married to a Ute and cheer for U in every game except BYU and USU. Although a
couple of commenters drive me crazy.But I think it's time to
admit, the Utes could be in trouble this year, and finishing below .500 again is
a real possibility. Sorry cb, there will be no roses unless U get them for your
mother on Sunday.Stanford and Oregon are likely Top 10 teams again.
USC will be improved over last year. Oregon State, Arizona, ASU and UCLA are
teams on the rise. BYU vs Utah has been a nail biter three of the last four
years, and there's no reason to expect otherwise this year. And let's
face it, Utah lost a lot of talent - Brenner, Christopher, Dunn, Kruger (x2),
Lacy, Star, Lee, Rolf Stephens and Topps.U will probably be improved
at QB, but every other group looks to be down from last year.
The Utes will eventually become at least a mid-tier team in the PAC-12. They
have a good coaching staff and have been very successful at recruiting many of
the best players in Utah, which traditionally opted for BYU. I would imagine
that Coach Whittingham has been given at least a five-year grace period to put
together a winning program in the PAC-12, so the next three years will be
crucial if he desires to keep his job.
I really had no expectations for the Utes so I am not disappointed that they
missed out on a winning season and a bowl game. I expect the same or worse this
year. Maybe they should consider moving back to a lesser conference where they
belong anyway. They can't play with the big boys except for one game a
year with their big brother.
@ CougFaninTXI don't disagree with your comment, except when
you said USC will be improved. They still have depth issues and lost Barkley,
Woods, Burnett, McDonald, and a few other key players.
@ekute, Wow, are you really going to count that as three wins? I guess when you
run .500 or below year in and year out, you count what you can.
@ Unreasonable ThinkerYeah Right. Have a down season and time to
throw in the towel. That makes a lot of sense. You do realize they won the Sun
bowl the year before don't you? I find it amusing that BYU fans base
Utah's past, present and future all on last season. How soon folks forget
that Utah was 7-3 vs. PAC 10 teams prior to joining. As far as
loving independence goes; what, going to the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl
every year? Whether you win 6 or 11, that's where you end up at. Let's
be honest; that has to be demoralizing.
Half the posts here are from tds - sure looks to me like independence is
exciting if trolling Utah stories is what you choose to do with your time!!(Of course when I mention "trollers", I do NOT include
CougfaninTX, and I DO include Chris B)Go Utes!!
@spokane uteFor a fan all that really matters is the location of the
bowl game. Going to San Francisco or San Diego for a bowl game is pretty nice.
Going to America's armpit for the sun bowl, not nice, not nice at all. The
payouts don't mean anything to fans, the supposed "prestige" means
little to nothing unless it was one of maybe 5 bowls. But even with all of that
actually going to a bowl, any bowl, is better than sitting at home wishing you
went to one. You see sitting home is what utah "fans" did this last
season, and are likely to do again this coming season. utah will not go to the
rose bowl, they will not go to any of the top 5-6 bowls. They probably
won't even go to the new mexico bowl or the famous potato bowl.
They'll most likely attend the couch potato bowl. And then you will no
doubt come around and tell us how great it was.LOL!I
find it amusing how utah "fans" base the future of the BYU/utah game on
the last 3, as if that will never change.Double LOL!
I think this is a pivotal year for both Utah and BYU. Utah needs to get back to
7-5 or 8-4 with a marquee win in the PAC 12. I'm not a Utah hater so I do
believe at some point they will turn the corner, but I just don't see it
happening this year. Wilson should be improved, but Utah doesn't have a RB
as dynamic and quick (and deceptively strong) as JWIV this year. Despite that I
think their offense will be better with improved offensive line and very good
WRs. Defense is worrisome if I'm a ute fan. Utah had under rated corners
last year IMO and they're both gone, their best defensive linemen are gone,
and their LB play wasn't very good. With the high powered offenses in the
PAC that spells trouble. I think Utah will be competitive in the pac12 at some
point, I think it's just going to take more patience than some might have
Duckhunter"I find it amusing how utah "fans" base the future
of the BYU/utah game on the last 3, as if that will never change"I totally agree with you duckhunter, BYU will probably win a game against the
U at some distant point in the future.
It never fails to humor me how the byu fanbase conveniently has full-blown
amnesia when it comes to the first 3+ Quarters of last year's game. We
were up, 24-7, into the 4th-Quarter, before we removed our foot from the pedal
and began lazily committing 100% unforced mental errors, thereby allowing byu to
believe they could actually pull-off the type of miracle they've managed to
achieve recently against usu at home. From the 100% unforced botched punt, to
our two backup Safeties doing the unthinkable and doing what our two former
Freshman All-America Safties sitting out the entire game would've never
allowed to take place in letting that byu receiver get behind them late, in
order to allow byu to extend their drive, which also was a 100% unforced mental
error.Then, to have a penalty called on us after Star easily blocked
that 1st FG-Attempt, when footage clearly showed that the non-participant on the
field closest to the live football was none other than bm, himself, as well as a
bunch of other non-participants from the byu sideline. Offsetting-penalties and
byu never gets to doink that second-attempt. Case-Closed.
"Half the posts here are from tds"That is a side effect of being
newly independent - no rival. Notre Dame has several rivalries, thanks to
history and tradition. We could do a public service and help find the Cougs
some rivalries. But which teams?It would have to be a team you play every
year, so not Utah. A team that that will schedule a home and home, so not
Arizona/Notre Dame/Texas (and soon Utah, I suspect). A team that BYU is willing
to give a home and home, so not Utah State/Nevada. I dunno. Maybe Boise State?
If only Gonzaga played football...
SoonerUte:What about NMSU? They've been successful getting
Home-&-Homes with them! And on "Rivalry Weekend" no less! Plus,
they're just as Irrelevant...er, I mean Independent as our little brother.
They also have a fairly strong "WAC" connection.Seems like a
pretty good match to me!
Nice to see some reasonable comments by some Y fans in addition to the regular
posters that are just here to bash the U regardless of the article.
Realistically the U will be challenged to win enough games to go to a bowl this
year even with a better team than last year.Now for those that like
to talk trash, a couple of factual responses. A below .500 PAC 12 team has
dominated the in state games for the past decade. You can brag about your
winning record overall but the Y's performance against BCS schools
hasn't been much to brag about in recent years. A below .500 PAC 12 team
continues to out recruit the team from Provo both overall and for in-state
recruits. Apparently recruits would rather go to a school in a big time
conference as opposed the an independent that beats up Idaho, Idaho State, and
New Mexico state on their quest for a lower level bowl game. If the Y wins 9
games this year you have an argument but until then your trash talk is silly.
Absent from the article about the 'almost' glorious Utes was its
humiliating loss to Colorado.Of all the games that defined that
first season, it was that one. Instead of beating a good team to clinch the
south title all they had to do was beat a very bad team... at home. Well, we know the results of that. Expectations of anything above
3 or 4 wins this season is pretty pointless.
AZUTE1"It never fails to humor me how the BYU fanbase
conveniently has full-blown amnesia when it comes to the first 3+ Quarters of
last year's game. We were up, 24-7, into the 4th-Quarter, before we removed
our foot from the pedal..."LOL at your complete and total
amnesia when in comes to reality.Utah was nursing a 10-7 lead with 5
minutes left in the 3rd quarter and BYU driving for the go ahead TD at
Utah's 25-yard line, when a bad snap, Utah scoop and score extended
Utah's lead to 17-7.Other than that scoop and score, and a
couple of long punt/kick returns, BYU dominated the game:First
DownsBYU 25Utah 14Total YardsBYU 312Utah
245Rushing YardsBYU 106Utah 49Passing
YardsBYU 206Utah 196It wasn't the Utes taking their
foot off the gas that got BYU back in the game; it was BYU's offense coming
to life and not turning the ball over. BYU's defense had been
stuffing Utah's offense all night. The Ute's didn't have a single
scoring drive over 40 yards the entire game.
PAC manStop interrupting their fantasy by introducing facts into the
discussion.Duckhunter"For a fan all that really
matters is the location of the bowl game. Going to San Francisco or San Diego
for a bowl game is pretty nice."Couldn't agree more. Why
would any fan want to spend New Year's Eve in the armpit of Texas?
PAC manTypical Y fan ignoring the most important stat.....the final score.
Get ready for 4 in a row.
"double LOL"??? Really? Lots of progress from the usual suspects since I
last checked in.
gonefishnTypical Utah fan trying to make a mountain out of a mole
hill - the Utes pulled off a narrow 3-point win that wasn't decided until
the final play of the game, then try to pretend it was some sort of dominating
win.LOL!Get ready to be VERY disappointed.
The sun bowl is not in the best location, but the local people Put so much into
this bowl and it's such a big deal with the community. For atmosphere a
sold out stadium and all day tailgating this is the best bowl in the west
that's not a bcs bowl.
The y was extremly lucky in last years game. It could very easliy have been a
25 point plus blowout, with 7 fumbles and we were only able to recover one.
backWACn:Get over yourself. That "Holy War" game was won in
the 3rd-Qtr. The 4th was just a formality. You guys got BEAT! Again! For the
3rd time in a row, for the 8th time in the last 11, and for the better part of
this past quarter century. The 80s ended a generation ago. The rivalry is
over. We won.
Can someone tell me how "in-state recruiting dominance" is going to
result in a BCS appearance for the Utes? Or any Utah school for that matter?
Did we suddenly become Florida or Texas? Time to take a good hard look at where
the most talented D1 players are coming from.....and with extreme rare
exceptions, they aren't coming from Utah!
@FatMan86It is very simple logicA 0 to 2 star recruit that
signs with the U has a chance to be world beatersThe same recruit that
signs with USU is a good player The same one that’s signs with BYU
is not going to amount to much and is low class.So we take this same logic
to in stateIf an in state recruit signs with the U we are dominating the
in state recruiting and we are the bestIf they sign with USU hay you are
getting good recruits If they sign with BYU so what you can’t win no
matter what you are a bad football team.Same goes for basketball heard it
a hundred times and all the BYU bashers will come back and say this has never
been said but we all know better now don’t we
@navalI also LOL! at your "frantic and emotional" attempts
to proclaim victory all of the time. Remember when you have to try to convince
everyone else you "won" it basically means you are the only one that
The Aggies may beat them to that Pac-12 program defining win at USC this year.
It's interesting that all of the predictions as to the Ute's current
and future status in the PAC 12 is made by BYU fans. If you can't join the
club then you make fun of those who have. You're not in the 5th grade
anymore folks. The Ute's future couldn't be better.
Duckhunter:"Remember when you have to try to convince everyone
else you 'won' it basically means you are the only one that believes
it."You made that up. The facts are clear: (1)
Utah has a 22-game advantage in the all time series, and after this year, our
"annual matchup" will have concluded. (2) First, you were
moved from late-November to mid-September, then you were dropped from the
schedule. And you weren't dropped during a period where Utah just
couldn't seem to beat you. You were dropped during a period where we beat
you 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11.(3) The team with the most
wins, "wins". And that team is Utah. There's no disputing
"Utes football will resume defying expectations this season in
Pac-12"Finishing worse than 3-9 and behind Colorado in the PAC
South, but anything is possible.-------navelvet1) BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah in the last half century.2) Even Chris Hill admitted that BYU was dropped from Utah's 2014 and
2015 schedules because the Utes aren't good enough to play both Michigan
and BYU in the same season.3) The team with the most national
accomplishments wins, and that team is unquestionably, BYU!LOL!
Utah's little brother:"BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah
in the last half century."Yeah, but over 62% of those wins were
prior to 1987. The momentum shifted back to Utah. If you want to drag the
history of our programs back to 50-yrs, you might as well go all the way back to
the beginning. Either way, Utah won the rivalry."Even Chris
Hill admitted that BYU was dropped from Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules
because the Utes aren't good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the
same season."No, Dr. Hill did NOT say that. You frantically and
emotionally made that up."The team with the most national
accomplishments wins, and that team is unquestionably, BYU!"We're talking about Football here aren't we? You "backed
in" to an NC playing a weak-WAC schedule. Utah WON a Fiesta and Sugar Bowl
where SOS counts. Edge: Utah. And the fact that we OWN your little
"small-ball" program in the head-to-head series is really all
that's necessary to determine who won the former rivalry. The number of
times you'd beaten NMSU is irrelevant.
@navalLike I said, if you have to try to convince
Y's little brotherSandy, UT"Utes football will resume
defying expectations this season in Pac-12"Finishing worse than
3-9 and behind Colorado in the PAC South, but anything is possible.-------navelvet1) BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah
in the last half century.2) Even Chris Hill admitted that BYU was
dropped from Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules because the Utes aren't
good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the same season.3) The
team with the most national accomplishments wins, and that team is
Yay!!!2) BYu is not good enough to play Boise St and San Jose St in
the same season. But they are good enough to play Idaho and New Mexico St in the
same season.3) 40+ years and counting, and still no official
conference invite. Nobody cares about their accomplishments.
WAC paddled119 seasons and counting, and still not a sniff at a
National Championship or Heisman Trophy, and only FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.The Utes are so pathetic, they couldn't beat the only WAC team on
their schedule to qualify for a bowl.LOL at your Boise State smack:
The Utes are 0-4 versus the Broncos since Boise State became an FBS
school, including blowouts in the last two meetings:2010 3-26, 2006
3-36, 1999 20-26, 1998 28-31.BYU's last two losses to Boise
State were by a single point.
WACpaddledThe truth is, the only accomplishments NOBODY cares about
are Utah's accomplishments, because the Utes don't have any
accomplishments on a national scale to care about.
The Us quarterback play should be improved. Hard to say at this point if that
will be true of the offense as a whole. But I think there are too many pieces
missing defensively for the Utes to contend for the south this year. Motorbike:I promise not to point out the irony of you showing up
to sarcastically claim that "progress" has been made among other posters
since the last time showed up, while not contributing anything to the discussion
BYU, New Mex St and Idaho = New Band of Independent Broth.......errrrrr Buddies!
WACpaddledYou need to update your sundial; the only
"buddies" allowed in the Band of Independents are programs that have won
National Championships and/or Heisman Trophies.Sorry to burst your
crimson bubble, but bottom dwelling big boy conference wannabes not allowed.
@ SportsFanThen why are Idaho and NMSU both going indy?
twofer"why are Idaho and NMSU both going indy?"Neither chose to go Independent, and neither will survive as an Independent.
In fact, NMSU is already discussing dropping down a division and/or dropping
football altogether, and you can count on Idaho to do the same.That's far different from BYU, Notre Dame, Army and Navy choosing
Independence - something only national brands with national fan bases could
successfully pull off.BYU = Independent (making their own light)Utah = dependent (living in the reflected light of other programs)
RE: Naval Vet"Yeah, but over 62% of those wins were prior to
1987. The momentum shifted back to Utah. If you want to drag the history of our
programs back to 50-yrs, you might as well go all the way back to the beginning.
Either way, Utah won the rivalry."Either way? You might want to
re-read your post.
And you still can't watch their games on tv . . .
@TheSportsAuthorityThat's far different from BYU, Notre Dame,
Army and Navy choosing Independence - something only national brands with
national fan bases could successfully pull off.--------------National brands like Texas and Alabama? Penn State played
as an independent through the 1992 season, then join the Big Ten. Miami
was an independent from 1942-1990.Notre Dame has a 5 game schedule with
ACC.Navy is now in the AAC (former Big East).Let's face
facts, the only programs following BYU's model is New Mexico State and
Uteology"Let's face facts, the only programs following
BYU's model is New Mexico State and Idaho State."Call us
when NMSt or Idaho signs an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN and the World
Wide Leader starts helping the Aggies or Vandals schedule made for television
games. Until then the only schools following BYU's model are Notre Dame,
Navy and Army.btw, Idaho and Idaho St are not the same school.
Wiscougarfan:I re-read my post, and it said whether one goes all the
way back to the beginning of the rivalry, or looks at the more recent trend in
the series, Utah "wins" because we have the most wins. And that's
a fact. I see nothing contradictory there.
navelvetWhat your post failed to address is Utah's paltry list
of national accomplishments regardless of how far back you go.It
took U over a hundred years just to crack the AP poll for the first time, and U
can still count Utah's total number of AP top 25 finishes on one hand...
pathetic for a program that claims they're now one of the big boys.
@ Ufan"Until then the only schools following BYU's model
are Notre Dame, Navy and Army."ND and the military academies
were all indy long before BYU. ND has scheduling agreements with the ACC, and
Navy is joining the AAC in a few years. The only teams that "followed"
BYU into independence are NMSU and Idaho.
That loss to USU was historic wasn't it? We all know it still hurts!
Boohoo to U!
twoferUntil Idaho and NMSt sign exclusive, long-term contracts with
ESPN and ESPN starts arranging made-for-television games for them, Idaho and
NMSt still aren't following BYU's model...and never
will.Obviously, it really bothers our little brothers on the hill to
see BYU succeeding with a model at which the Utes would be utter failures.BYU = IndependentUtah = dependent
@ TheSportsAuthorityIt doesn't bother me at all what BYU is
doing with independence. Utah is in a better situation any way you slice it.
The university is making more money, football has access to better bowls, and
Utah has the opportunity to compete with the best teams in the country (in any
sport). I am thrilled with Utah's conf. affiliation and I think the vast
majority of BYU fans would switch places with the U in a heart beat.BYU, Idaho, NMSU = Independent.Utah, Michigan, Alabama, Texas,
USC, Florida, Boise St. West Virginia, Texas A&M, LSU, Ohio St., etc. =
Two For FlinchingBeing a punching bag for the big boys of the PAC 12
is not an accomplishment, regardless of how hard the kids on the hill try to
spin that narrative.The sad truth for U is the only PAC 12 sport in
which the Utes have been competitive is Women's Gymnastics, a sport in
which the Utes were already competitive in the WAC and MWC, so being in the PAC
12 doesn't really make much difference.Most BYU fans would
probably prefer to be in the PAC 12 or Big 12, but, unlike Utah, BYU
doesn't have to ride the coat tails of more accomplished conference
affiliates in order to feel a sense of self worth.Two full seasons
of "competing" in the PAC 12, and U still don't have a win over a
PAC team with a winning record, in fact, U couldn't even beat a 10-loss
team at home to secure a gift-wrapped PAC South title.
LonestarRunner:"What your post failed to address is Utah's
paltry list of national accomplishments regardless of how far back you
go."What YOUR post failed to address was anything remotely
related to this article, or the ensuing discussion about how Utah owns your tiny
little WAC-ish and mid-midmajorey "small ball" program.
navelvetWhat your post failed to address is why the kids on the hill
are so obsessed with beating a team U supposedly "left in the dust"
three years ago.The sad truth for U is, after two full seasons in
the PAC, the standard by which U continue to judge the success of your entire
football season, is whether or not U beat BYU - classic little brother
syndrome.Meanwhile, BYU fans look at the big picture and see that
despite the head-to-head losses, BYU continues to have better overall
seasons:2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61
Utah(5-7) couch potato bowl2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39
Utah(8-5)Top 25 FinishesBYU 1Utah 0Bowl
GamesBYU 2Utah 110+ Win SeasonsBYU 1Utah
0Losses to 10+ Loss TeamsBYU 0Utah 1What are
going U going to beat your chest about in 2013 when the Utes begin losing their
September bowl games as well as finishing in the PAC basement?btw,
playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean diddly if U don't WIN!
Marked it Down"btw, playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean
diddly if U don't WIN!"BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in
2012, beating one, and losing to three others on the road by total of 10 points.
Plus, BYU soundly beat ACC division winner Georgia Tech on the road, a team that
easily handled USC in the Sun Bowl, and BYU beat MWC tri-champion SDSU in the
Poinsettia Bowl.BYU#3/#4 Notre Dame 14-17#16/#17 Utah
State 6-3#18/#14 Boise State 6-7#20/#19 Oregon State 24-42#21/#21 San Jose St 14-20at Georgia Tech 41-17bowl - San Diego St
23-6Utah#16/#17 Utah State 20-27#20/#19 Oregon State
SportsFan:Utah went 2-2 vs. Ore St, Wash St, Utah St, and the
Indy-WACers. Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers went 2-2 vs. Ore St, Wash St, Utah, and
Utah St. Those are the only teams that matter when comparing the U vs. the Y in
2012, because those were the only common opponents. At first glance, it appears
to be a push, but upon further review, Utah comes out on top. Utah beat WSU by
more points, lost to OSU by fewer, and won the head-to-head, while the only
thing in your ledger was a narrow 3-pt win over a team that beat us in Logan in
OT. And considering that Utah played 2 of those games on the road whereas you
only had to go on the road for 1, it shows that Utah played against the tougher
schedule amid this 4-game series. USU was clearly the best team in the state
this year, but the body of work between us and you supports Utah as the #2 team.
The only reason why you've had the better W/L record was you played with a
much easier SOS.