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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:07 p.m.

    I am not worried.

    Whit will take us to the top of the nation, just like he already did.

    Who is the last team to beat Alabama in a bowl game? We are.

    We will compete for, if not win the south this year

    There will be roses within a couple years

    Those who don't believe didn't believe we would beat Alabama in our second bcs game.

    With in state recruiting domination and 7 out of 8 wins last 8 games against in state opponents, it's clear there is one and only one national program in the state

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    Dear Utah state and byu:

    We encourage all to support the only team in Utah worthy of a bcs conference invite

    The university of Utah utes.

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 8, 2013 11:12 p.m.

    Our 2013 seniors will get a perfect 4-0 sweep against our former rivals

    That would be embarrassing to never beat your rival your entire career

    Lol

    The big pac12 wins will come soon

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 8, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    "Although the official polls for this year won't be released until the end of July, early projections peg the Utes near the bottom of the pack."

    Looks like the PAC 10.2 has finally accepted the Utes as their official whipping boy; 3-9 is a real possibility next season, with losses to BYU and Utah State. Luckily the Utes have Weber State on their schedule so they can still claim they're the 3rd best team in the state.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 9, 2013 7:20 a.m.

    @anti BCS
    Anaheim, CA

    The Utes beat both byu and UCLA last year. What are you crowing about?

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 9, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    What are you talking about? The utes are undefeated against Washington State and split with Colorado. what else do you expect?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 9, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Utah needs to take care of business at home and knock off some conference foes on the road. I'm not sold on Wilson at QB, but at east there's depth at the position. It's nice to know that 3-0 in non-conference play is highly likely. It's also nice to know that 10-2 would probably get you a BCS bowl game. Not to mention all the other nice bowl games the PAC 12 ties into. I guess my screen name might be anti BCS too, if the team I pulled for had NO chance of getting to a BCS bowl and I was on the outside looking in. It's gotta be tough to be the little guy on the block.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 9, 2013 7:52 a.m.

    Hey ekute, the utes didn't beat UCLA last year. Try to keep up.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    oops. Well, we would of beat UCLA if we would of "executed at a higher level".
    "We made mistakes, we didn't execute to out full potential, and we beat ourselves"

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    May 9, 2013 8:53 a.m.

    @ekute, U also lost to Utah State. And U barely beat BYU...at home. Not much to brag about!

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Thanks for the daily dose of comedy Christine. That's just hilarious - times 3.

    Looks like you copied and pasted your same "mark it down" type comments from the last 2 years again this year. One of these days reality will surely set in, won't it???

    When did Whit take you to the top of the nation? We must have missed that one. Alabama is getting smaller and smaller in your rear view mirror. What have you done on the field lately?

    If you finished at the bottom of the PAC with a more favorable schedule your first 2 years how do you ever think this year will be your big breakthrough? Get back to us when the pigs start flying in East Salt Lake or when snowmen start lasting for days in downtown Phoenix during July.

    If it aids your fantasy I hear you can buy a dozen roses at Walmart for the rollback price of $14.99 this weekend. Other than through your crimson glasses that'll be the only chance again this year you'll have of seeing anything rose colored.

  • Gone fishin Murray, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Crissy B and other Ute fans are hanging the ENTIR season's success on beating BYU, regardless of many other wins they get. Pretty sad that they have not figured out that a successfuls eason like BYU's means more wins than losses and a bowl game.
    Sorry Utes but the article was spot on. Truth really bites.

    I love my independance.

  • Magna Ute Fan Magna, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:49 a.m.

    I don't count Chris B as a Ute fan. She/he is just a pot stirring troll. Don't feed him/her.

    I am not hanging my season on beating byu at all. A loss to byu wouldn't be that big of a deal for us. Even with a loss, we'd still have 3 of the last 4. BYU fans on the other hand, REALLY NEED a win this year regardless of how their season goes. Losing 4 in a row going into a two year hiatus would be bad news.

    What I want to see this year as a Utah fan is progress. We need to get to a bowl game. We need to see some real progress on the offensive side of the ball. I think we will.

    Go Utes!

  • souptwins Lindon, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    Everyone knows I'm a BYU fan but I have to admit that these down years for Utah is more than just playing in the PAC. Their teams of just a few years ago would have kicked butt on the teams of the last two years--- regardless of conference affiliation. It seems reality is setting in that being IN the conference means nothing if you don't win some games. Whitt and the team knows this and maybe now the fans will realize it too. Every big conference has a bottom half that no one cares about. Utah needs to win so they don't join their ranks-- otherwise the PAC patch and BYU wins will be all you have.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:59 a.m.

    "U also lost to Utah State. And U barely beat BYU...at home. Not much to brag about!"

    But we did beat byU 3 times last year. That makes it 5 in row and 10 out of 13.

    And your right. "Not much to brag about!"

  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    May 9, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    Unlike a couple of U who are BYU bashers, I'm not a Ute basher. I'm married to a Ute and cheer for U in every game except BYU and USU. Although a couple of commenters drive me crazy.

    But I think it's time to admit, the Utes could be in trouble this year, and finishing below .500 again is a real possibility. Sorry cb, there will be no roses unless U get them for your mother on Sunday.

    Stanford and Oregon are likely Top 10 teams again. USC will be improved over last year. Oregon State, Arizona, ASU and UCLA are teams on the rise. BYU vs Utah has been a nail biter three of the last four years, and there's no reason to expect otherwise this year. And let's face it, Utah lost a lot of talent - Brenner, Christopher, Dunn, Kruger (x2), Lacy, Star, Lee, Rolf Stephens and Topps.

    U will probably be improved at QB, but every other group looks to be down from last year.

  • NorCalCougarFan&Alum Elk Grove, CA
    May 9, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    The Utes will eventually become at least a mid-tier team in the PAC-12. They have a good coaching staff and have been very successful at recruiting many of the best players in Utah, which traditionally opted for BYU. I would imagine that Coach Whittingham has been given at least a five-year grace period to put together a winning program in the PAC-12, so the next three years will be crucial if he desires to keep his job.

  • Reasonable thinker Murray, UT
    May 9, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    I really had no expectations for the Utes so I am not disappointed that they missed out on a winning season and a bowl game. I expect the same or worse this year. Maybe they should consider moving back to a lesser conference where they belong anyway. They can't play with the big boys except for one game a year with their big brother.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    @ CougFaninTX

    I don't disagree with your comment, except when you said USC will be improved. They still have depth issues and lost Barkley, Woods, Burnett, McDonald, and a few other key players.

  • YGradFan CENTERVILLE, UT
    May 9, 2013 11:24 a.m.

    @ekute, Wow, are you really going to count that as three wins? I guess when you run .500 or below year in and year out, you count what you can.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 9, 2013 11:31 a.m.

    @ Unreasonable Thinker

    Yeah Right. Have a down season and time to throw in the towel. That makes a lot of sense. You do realize they won the Sun bowl the year before don't you? I find it amusing that BYU fans base Utah's past, present and future all on last season. How soon folks forget that Utah was 7-3 vs. PAC 10 teams prior to joining.

    As far as loving independence goes; what, going to the Kraft Macaroni and Cheese bowl every year? Whether you win 6 or 11, that's where you end up at. Let's be honest; that has to be demoralizing.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 9, 2013 12:39 p.m.

    Half the posts here are from tds - sure looks to me like independence is exciting if trolling Utah stories is what you choose to do with your time!!

    (Of course when I mention "trollers", I do NOT include CougfaninTX, and I DO include Chris B)

    Go Utes!!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 9, 2013 12:43 p.m.

    @spokane ute

    For a fan all that really matters is the location of the bowl game. Going to San Francisco or San Diego for a bowl game is pretty nice. Going to America's armpit for the sun bowl, not nice, not nice at all. The payouts don't mean anything to fans, the supposed "prestige" means little to nothing unless it was one of maybe 5 bowls. But even with all of that actually going to a bowl, any bowl, is better than sitting at home wishing you went to one. You see sitting home is what utah "fans" did this last season, and are likely to do again this coming season. utah will not go to the rose bowl, they will not go to any of the top 5-6 bowls. They probably won't even go to the new mexico bowl or the famous potato bowl. They'll most likely attend the couch potato bowl. And then you will no doubt come around and tell us how great it was.

    LOL!

    I find it amusing how utah "fans" base the future of the BYU/utah game on the last 3, as if that will never change.

    Double LOL!

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    May 9, 2013 3:32 p.m.

    I think this is a pivotal year for both Utah and BYU. Utah needs to get back to 7-5 or 8-4 with a marquee win in the PAC 12. I'm not a Utah hater so I do believe at some point they will turn the corner, but I just don't see it happening this year. Wilson should be improved, but Utah doesn't have a RB as dynamic and quick (and deceptively strong) as JWIV this year. Despite that I think their offense will be better with improved offensive line and very good WRs. Defense is worrisome if I'm a ute fan. Utah had under rated corners last year IMO and they're both gone, their best defensive linemen are gone, and their LB play wasn't very good. With the high powered offenses in the PAC that spells trouble. I think Utah will be competitive in the pac12 at some point, I think it's just going to take more patience than some might have thought.

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    Duckhunter
    "I find it amusing how utah "fans" base the future of the BYU/utah game on the last 3, as if that will never change"

    I totally agree with you duckhunter, BYU will probably win a game against the U at some distant point in the future.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 9, 2013 3:42 p.m.

    It never fails to humor me how the byu fanbase conveniently has full-blown amnesia when it comes to the first 3+ Quarters of last year's game. We were up, 24-7, into the 4th-Quarter, before we removed our foot from the pedal and began lazily committing 100% unforced mental errors, thereby allowing byu to believe they could actually pull-off the type of miracle they've managed to achieve recently against usu at home. From the 100% unforced botched punt, to our two backup Safeties doing the unthinkable and doing what our two former Freshman All-America Safties sitting out the entire game would've never allowed to take place in letting that byu receiver get behind them late, in order to allow byu to extend their drive, which also was a 100% unforced mental error.

    Then, to have a penalty called on us after Star easily blocked that 1st FG-Attempt, when footage clearly showed that the non-participant on the field closest to the live football was none other than bm, himself, as well as a bunch of other non-participants from the byu sideline. Offsetting-penalties and byu never gets to doink that second-attempt. Case-Closed.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 5:17 p.m.

    "Half the posts here are from tds"
    That is a side effect of being newly independent - no rival. Notre Dame has several rivalries, thanks to history and tradition. We could do a public service and help find the Cougs some rivalries. But which teams?
    It would have to be a team you play every year, so not Utah. A team that that will schedule a home and home, so not Arizona/Notre Dame/Texas (and soon Utah, I suspect). A team that BYU is willing to give a home and home, so not Utah State/Nevada. I dunno. Maybe Boise State? If only Gonzaga played football...

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 9, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    SoonerUte:

    What about NMSU? They've been successful getting Home-&-Homes with them! And on "Rivalry Weekend" no less! Plus, they're just as Irrelevant...er, I mean Independent as our little brother. They also have a fairly strong "WAC" connection.

    Seems like a pretty good match to me!

  • CO Ute PARKER, CO
    May 9, 2013 7:06 p.m.

    Nice to see some reasonable comments by some Y fans in addition to the regular posters that are just here to bash the U regardless of the article. Realistically the U will be challenged to win enough games to go to a bowl this year even with a better team than last year.

    Now for those that like to talk trash, a couple of factual responses. A below .500 PAC 12 team has dominated the in state games for the past decade. You can brag about your winning record overall but the Y's performance against BCS schools hasn't been much to brag about in recent years. A below .500 PAC 12 team continues to out recruit the team from Provo both overall and for in-state recruits. Apparently recruits would rather go to a school in a big time conference as opposed the an independent that beats up Idaho, Idaho State, and New Mexico state on their quest for a lower level bowl game. If the Y wins 9 games this year you have an argument but until then your trash talk is silly.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    May 9, 2013 7:30 p.m.

    Absent from the article about the 'almost' glorious Utes was its humiliating loss to Colorado.

    Of all the games that defined that first season, it was that one. Instead of beating a good team to clinch the south title all they had to do was beat a very bad team... at home.

    Well, we know the results of that.

    Expectations of anything above 3 or 4 wins this season is pretty pointless.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 9, 2013 9:24 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "It never fails to humor me how the BYU fanbase conveniently has full-blown amnesia when it comes to the first 3+ Quarters of last year's game. We were up, 24-7, into the 4th-Quarter, before we removed our foot from the pedal..."

    LOL at your complete and total amnesia when in comes to reality.

    Utah was nursing a 10-7 lead with 5 minutes left in the 3rd quarter and BYU driving for the go ahead TD at Utah's 25-yard line, when a bad snap, Utah scoop and score extended Utah's lead to 17-7.

    Other than that scoop and score, and a couple of long punt/kick returns, BYU dominated the game:

    First Downs
    BYU 25
    Utah 14

    Total Yards
    BYU 312
    Utah 245

    Rushing Yards
    BYU 106
    Utah 49

    Passing Yards
    BYU 206
    Utah 196

    It wasn't the Utes taking their foot off the gas that got BYU back in the game; it was BYU's offense coming to life and not turning the ball over.

    BYU's defense had been stuffing Utah's offense all night. The Ute's didn't have a single scoring drive over 40 yards the entire game.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2013 9:52 p.m.

    PAC man

    Stop interrupting their fantasy by introducing facts into the discussion.

    Duckhunter

    "For a fan all that really matters is the location of the bowl game. Going to San Francisco or San Diego for a bowl game is pretty nice."

    Couldn't agree more. Why would any fan want to spend New Year's Eve in the armpit of Texas?

  • gonefishn Salt Lake City, UT
    May 9, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    PAC man
    Typical Y fan ignoring the most important stat.....the final score. Get ready for 4 in a row.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 9, 2013 10:44 p.m.

    "double LOL"??? Really? Lots of progress from the usual suspects since I last checked in.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    May 9, 2013 11:08 p.m.

    gonefishn

    Typical Utah fan trying to make a mountain out of a mole hill - the Utes pulled off a narrow 3-point win that wasn't decided until the final play of the game, then try to pretend it was some sort of dominating win.

    LOL!

    Get ready to be VERY disappointed.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2013 11:21 p.m.

    The sun bowl is not in the best location, but the local people Put so much into this bowl and it's such a big deal with the community. For atmosphere a sold out stadium and all day tailgating this is the best bowl in the west that's not a bcs bowl.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    May 9, 2013 11:24 p.m.

    The y was extremly lucky in last years game. It could very easliy have been a 25 point plus blowout, with 7 fumbles and we were only able to recover one.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 10, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    backWACn:

    Get over yourself. That "Holy War" game was won in the 3rd-Qtr. The 4th was just a formality. You guys got BEAT! Again! For the 3rd time in a row, for the 8th time in the last 11, and for the better part of this past quarter century. The 80s ended a generation ago. The rivalry is over. We won.

  • FatMan86 West Jordan, UT
    May 10, 2013 9:12 a.m.

    Can someone tell me how "in-state recruiting dominance" is going to result in a BCS appearance for the Utes? Or any Utah school for that matter? Did we suddenly become Florida or Texas? Time to take a good hard look at where the most talented D1 players are coming from.....and with extreme rare exceptions, they aren't coming from Utah!

  • couglifer South Jordan, UT
    May 10, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @FatMan86

    It is very simple logic
    A 0 to 2 star recruit that signs with the U has a chance to be world beaters
    The same recruit that signs with USU is a good player
    The same one that’s signs with BYU is not going to amount to much and is low class.
    So we take this same logic to in state
    If an in state recruit signs with the U we are dominating the in state recruiting and we are the best
    If they sign with USU hay you are getting good recruits
    If they sign with BYU so what you can’t win no matter what you are a bad football team.
    Same goes for basketball heard it a hundred times and all the BYU bashers will come back and say this has never been said but we all know better now don’t we

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 10, 2013 10:02 a.m.

    @naval

    I also LOL! at your "frantic and emotional" attempts to proclaim victory all of the time. Remember when you have to try to convince everyone else you "won" it basically means you are the only one that believes it.

    LOL!

  • AgVikBronc Preston, ID
    May 10, 2013 1:32 p.m.

    The Aggies may beat them to that Pac-12 program defining win at USC this year.

  • ImaCaMan Oceanside, CA
    May 10, 2013 1:38 p.m.

    It's interesting that all of the predictions as to the Ute's current and future status in the PAC 12 is made by BYU fans. If you can't join the club then you make fun of those who have. You're not in the 5th grade anymore folks. The Ute's future couldn't be better.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 10, 2013 2:51 p.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "Remember when you have to try to convince everyone else you 'won' it basically means you are the only one that believes it."

    You made that up. The facts are clear:

    (1) Utah has a 22-game advantage in the all time series, and after this year, our "annual matchup" will have concluded.

    (2) First, you were moved from late-November to mid-September, then you were dropped from the schedule. And you weren't dropped during a period where Utah just couldn't seem to beat you. You were dropped during a period where we beat you 3 in a row, and 8 of the last 11.

    (3) The team with the most wins, "wins". And that team is Utah. There's no disputing that.

    "LOL"

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 10, 2013 4:19 p.m.

    "Utes football will resume defying expectations this season in Pac-12"

    Finishing worse than 3-9 and behind Colorado in the PAC South, but anything is possible.

    -------

    navelvet

    1) BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah in the last half century.

    2) Even Chris Hill admitted that BYU was dropped from Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules because the Utes aren't good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the same season.

    3) The team with the most national accomplishments wins, and that team is unquestionably, BYU!

    LOL!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 10, 2013 4:39 p.m.

    Utah's little brother:

    "BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah in the last half century."

    Yeah, but over 62% of those wins were prior to 1987. The momentum shifted back to Utah. If you want to drag the history of our programs back to 50-yrs, you might as well go all the way back to the beginning. Either way, Utah won the rivalry.

    "Even Chris Hill admitted that BYU was dropped from Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules because the Utes aren't good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the same season."

    No, Dr. Hill did NOT say that. You frantically and emotionally made that up.

    "The team with the most national accomplishments wins, and that team is unquestionably, BYU!"

    We're talking about Football here aren't we? You "backed in" to an NC playing a weak-WAC schedule. Utah WON a Fiesta and Sugar Bowl where SOS counts. Edge: Utah. And the fact that we OWN your little "small-ball" program in the head-to-head series is really all that's necessary to determine who won the former rivalry. The number of times you'd beaten NMSU is irrelevant.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 10, 2013 4:42 p.m.

    @naval

    Like I said, if you have to try to convince others.....well......

    LOL!

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 10, 2013 5:15 p.m.

    Y's little brother
    Sandy, UT
    "Utes football will resume defying expectations this season in Pac-12"

    Finishing worse than 3-9 and behind Colorado in the PAC South, but anything is possible.

    -------

    navelvet

    1) BYU owns a 29-21 advantage over Utah in the last half century.

    2) Even Chris Hill admitted that BYU was dropped from Utah's 2014 and 2015 schedules because the Utes aren't good enough to play both Michigan and BYU in the same season.

    3) The team with the most national accomplishments wins, and that team is unquestionably, BYU!

    LOL!

    ___________

    1) Yay!!!

    2) BYu is not good enough to play Boise St and San Jose St in the same season. But they are good enough to play Idaho and New Mexico St in the same season.

    3) 40+ years and counting, and still no official conference invite. Nobody cares about their accomplishments.

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    May 10, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    WAC paddled

    119 seasons and counting, and still not a sniff at a National Championship or Heisman Trophy, and only FIVE AP Top 25 finishes.

    The Utes are so pathetic, they couldn't beat the only WAC team on their schedule to qualify for a bowl.

    LOL at your Boise State smack:

    The Utes are 0-4 versus the Broncos since Boise State became an FBS school, including blowouts in the last two meetings:

    2010 3-26, 2006 3-36, 1999 20-26, 1998 28-31.

    BYU's last two losses to Boise State were by a single point.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    May 10, 2013 9:49 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    The truth is, the only accomplishments NOBODY cares about are Utah's accomplishments, because the Utes don't have any accomplishments on a national scale to care about.

  • agb Layton, UT
    May 11, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    The Us quarterback play should be improved. Hard to say at this point if that will be true of the offense as a whole. But I think there are too many pieces missing defensively for the Utes to contend for the south this year.

    Motorbike:

    I promise not to point out the irony of you showing up to sarcastically claim that "progress" has been made among other posters since the last time showed up, while not contributing anything to the discussion yourself.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    May 11, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    BYU, New Mex St and Idaho = New Band of Independent Broth.......errrrrr Buddies!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 11, 2013 10:25 p.m.

    WACpaddled

    You need to update your sundial; the only "buddies" allowed in the Band of Independents are programs that have won National Championships and/or Heisman Trophies.

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but bottom dwelling big boy conference wannabes not allowed.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 12, 2013 6:01 a.m.

    @ SportsFan

    Then why are Idaho and NMSU both going indy?

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 12, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    twofer

    "why are Idaho and NMSU both going indy?"

    Neither chose to go Independent, and neither will survive as an Independent. In fact, NMSU is already discussing dropping down a division and/or dropping football altogether, and you can count on Idaho to do the same.

    That's far different from BYU, Notre Dame, Army and Navy choosing Independence - something only national brands with national fan bases could successfully pull off.

    BYU = Independent (making their own light)
    Utah = dependent (living in the reflected light of other programs)

  • Wiscougarfan River Falls, WI
    May 13, 2013 11:12 a.m.

    RE: Naval Vet

    "Yeah, but over 62% of those wins were prior to 1987. The momentum shifted back to Utah. If you want to drag the history of our programs back to 50-yrs, you might as well go all the way back to the beginning. Either way, Utah won the rivalry."

    Either way? You might want to re-read your post.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    May 13, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    And you still can't watch their games on tv . . .

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 13, 2013 2:05 p.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority

    That's far different from BYU, Notre Dame, Army and Navy choosing Independence - something only national brands with national fan bases could successfully pull off.

    --------------

    National brands like Texas and Alabama?

    Penn State played as an independent through the 1992 season, then join the Big Ten.
    Miami was an independent from 1942-1990.
    Notre Dame has a 5 game schedule with ACC.
    Navy is now in the AAC (former Big East).

    Let's face facts, the only programs following BYU's model is New Mexico State and Idaho State.

  • Ufan Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 3:22 p.m.

    Uteology

    "Let's face facts, the only programs following BYU's model is New Mexico State and Idaho State."

    Call us when NMSt or Idaho signs an exclusive 8-year contract with ESPN and the World Wide Leader starts helping the Aggies or Vandals schedule made for television games. Until then the only schools following BYU's model are Notre Dame, Navy and Army.

    btw, Idaho and Idaho St are not the same school.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 13, 2013 3:35 p.m.

    Wiscougarfan:

    I re-read my post, and it said whether one goes all the way back to the beginning of the rivalry, or looks at the more recent trend in the series, Utah "wins" because we have the most wins. And that's a fact. I see nothing contradictory there.

  • LonestarRunner Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 4:30 p.m.

    navelvet

    What your post failed to address is Utah's paltry list of national accomplishments regardless of how far back you go.

    It took U over a hundred years just to crack the AP poll for the first time, and U can still count Utah's total number of AP top 25 finishes on one hand... pathetic for a program that claims they're now one of the big boys.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 5:01 p.m.

    @ Ufan

    "Until then the only schools following BYU's model are Notre Dame, Navy and Army."

    ND and the military academies were all indy long before BYU. ND has scheduling agreements with the ACC, and Navy is joining the AAC in a few years. The only teams that "followed" BYU into independence are NMSU and Idaho.

  • 17-14 Hurts Don't It? Springville, UT
    May 13, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    That loss to USU was historic wasn't it?
    We all know it still hurts!

    Boohoo to U!

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 13, 2013 8:25 p.m.

    twofer

    Until Idaho and NMSt sign exclusive, long-term contracts with ESPN and ESPN starts arranging made-for-television games for them, Idaho and NMSt still aren't following BYU's model...

    and never will.

    Obviously, it really bothers our little brothers on the hill to see BYU succeeding with a model at which the Utes would be utter failures.

    BYU = Independent
    Utah = dependent

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 13, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    @ TheSportsAuthority

    It doesn't bother me at all what BYU is doing with independence. Utah is in a better situation any way you slice it. The university is making more money, football has access to better bowls, and Utah has the opportunity to compete with the best teams in the country (in any sport). I am thrilled with Utah's conf. affiliation and I think the vast majority of BYU fans would switch places with the U in a heart beat.

    BYU, Idaho, NMSU = Independent.

    Utah, Michigan, Alabama, Texas, USC, Florida, Boise St. West Virginia, Texas A&M, LSU, Ohio St., etc. = Dependent.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 13, 2013 11:50 p.m.

    Two For Flinching

    Being a punching bag for the big boys of the PAC 12 is not an accomplishment, regardless of how hard the kids on the hill try to spin that narrative.

    The sad truth for U is the only PAC 12 sport in which the Utes have been competitive is Women's Gymnastics, a sport in which the Utes were already competitive in the WAC and MWC, so being in the PAC 12 doesn't really make much difference.

    Most BYU fans would probably prefer to be in the PAC 12 or Big 12, but, unlike Utah, BYU doesn't have to ride the coat tails of more accomplished conference affiliates in order to feel a sense of self worth.

    Two full seasons of "competing" in the PAC 12, and U still don't have a win over a PAC team with a winning record, in fact, U couldn't even beat a 10-loss team at home to secure a gift-wrapped PAC South title.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    LonestarRunner:

    "What your post failed to address is Utah's paltry list of national accomplishments regardless of how far back you go."

    What YOUR post failed to address was anything remotely related to this article, or the ensuing discussion about how Utah owns your tiny little WAC-ish and mid-midmajorey "small ball" program.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    May 14, 2013 9:25 a.m.

    navelvet

    What your post failed to address is why the kids on the hill are so obsessed with beating a team U supposedly "left in the dust" three years ago.

    The sad truth for U is, after two full seasons in the PAC, the standard by which U continue to judge the success of your entire football season, is whether or not U beat BYU - classic little brother syndrome.

    Meanwhile, BYU fans look at the big picture and see that despite the head-to-head losses, BYU continues to have better overall seasons:

    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) couch potato bowl
    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Bowl Games
    BYU 2
    Utah 1

    10+ Win Seasons
    BYU 1
    Utah 0

    Losses to 10+ Loss Teams
    BYU 0
    Utah 1

    What are going U going to beat your chest about in 2013 when the Utes begin losing their September bowl games as well as finishing in the PAC basement?

    btw, playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean diddly if U don't WIN!

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 14, 2013 10:20 a.m.

    Marked it Down

    "btw, playing a tougher schedule doesn't mean diddly if U don't WIN!"

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, beating one, and losing to three others on the road by total of 10 points. Plus, BYU soundly beat ACC division winner Georgia Tech on the road, a team that easily handled USC in the Sun Bowl, and BYU beat MWC tri-champion SDSU in the Poinsettia Bowl.

    BYU
    #3/#4 Notre Dame 14-17
    #16/#17 Utah State 6-3
    #18/#14 Boise State 6-7
    #20/#19 Oregon State 24-42
    #21/#21 San Jose St 14-20
    at Georgia Tech 41-17
    bowl - San Diego St 23-6

    Utah
    #16/#17 Utah State 20-27
    #20/#19 Oregon State 7-21

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 14, 2013 8:05 p.m.

    SportsFan:

    Utah went 2-2 vs. Ore St, Wash St, Utah St, and the Indy-WACers. Meanwhile, the Indy-WACers went 2-2 vs. Ore St, Wash St, Utah, and Utah St. Those are the only teams that matter when comparing the U vs. the Y in 2012, because those were the only common opponents. At first glance, it appears to be a push, but upon further review, Utah comes out on top. Utah beat WSU by more points, lost to OSU by fewer, and won the head-to-head, while the only thing in your ledger was a narrow 3-pt win over a team that beat us in Logan in OT. And considering that Utah played 2 of those games on the road whereas you only had to go on the road for 1, it shows that Utah played against the tougher schedule amid this 4-game series. USU was clearly the best team in the state this year, but the body of work between us and you supports Utah as the #2 team. The only reason why you've had the better W/L record was you played with a much easier SOS.