I don't see a problem. BSA's new policy really had no effect on
support from the LDS church and the church indicated that they are sticking with
BSA. Had the church dropped BSA they still would have had the exact same issues
on dealing with homosexual youth who want to attend young men's activities
so nothing really changes for the church with regards to scouting.
patriot..I agree this does not seem to impact the LDS Church very
much (right now at least). But whether the church 'sticks' to the BSA
or not wasn't really said.Honestly I wouldn't be surprised
if the LDS Church announced a radical change, a Y.M. program to replace scouts,
or no changes at all. When it comes to what the LDS Church will do tomorrow or
next year, until I hear the announcement for myself I usually feel it's
best not to speculate. I'm not saying you're wrong. I just don't
like people getting the wrong idea and with an issue like this one, that tends
to be very prone to happen.
You know, there are actually two other Councils in the State besides the
GSLC....and the Utah National Parks Council is bigger in almost
every-way....check with out Council sometimes- we have opinions also!
It might actually be refreshing to see people vote their conscience for a
change. That would be nice to see just once or twice in Washington, DC, too.
But alas, I expect too much.
toosmartforyouyou will not see people in DC voting their conscience - you
have to have one to vote it, and they checked theirs at the door when they were
If your conscience tells you to discriminate against someone, you have no
@RanchhandDiscriminate against someone, you have no conscience. I
agree. Don't discriminate against someone's actions, you
have no conscience as well.
RanchHand,you complain about discrimination, then make disparaging
comments about Christians and conservatives every day. I guess it's OK
when you discriminate, but Eros and Bacchus forbid anyone should say anything
with which you disagree.
@lost in DC --"you complain about discrimination, then make
disparaging comments about Christians and conservatives every day."Disagreement is not at all the same thing as discrimination.You
have every right to disagree with homosexuals.You have NO right to
discriminate against them.
Billions of us have unending combination of issues. They influence how we see
life, each other, and self. Each have tendencies, predispositions, penchants,
affinities, leanings, bents, traits, habits, orientations, and propensities.
Some DNA drive, some environmentally or socially nurtured, others are personal
choice. Some violent; some innocuous. Some acceptable; some not. Some are
criminal. All personal conditions lead desires to act. Some just
live with them, deal with, and learn to control. Some struggle with them for a
lifetime; some we outlive. When we "get over" one we find we have
another, and have to go through the 'control process' all over again.
Care is needed when creating ‘rights’ for inclinations. 'Moral' compasses provide the framework in which we establish local,
state, national, and global laws. These 'traditions' orient our
individual and group perspectives, and provided the framework for establishing
Scouting, and the original Scout Oath and Law, especially to its mission and
charter. The potential expanded 'inclusion' is useful.
It reflects old guidance to the developing and explorative nature of boys and
young men (from my 1960 edition of the Boy Scouts Handbook (p 425)). Scouting
has always been about “the boy,” not the adult.
@contrariousYou don’t seem to understand people get to use
Christianity as bases for their arguments but you are not allowed to challenge
those arguments or you are discriminating. Don’t feel bad I made the same