Quantcast
Sports

Pac-12 football coaches reportedly will discuss move to 8-game schedule this week

Comments

Return To Article
  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    It is always disappointing to watch SEC teams beat up on teams who aren't much better than a high school team. I understand the logic that the Pac 12 would want to put another potentially weak opponent on their schedule to help them end with better records, rather than beating up on each other. This though, is not why I watch college football!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2013 1:46 p.m.

    I dont care if we do drop a Pac 12 game, I hope we stop playing Utah state and byu all together.

    They do nothing to help our profile when we win(which we're a combined 7 out of 8) against them last 8 games.

    I'd rather go find another one and one like we did with Michigan.

    I like the idea of one gimme game to start the season and then only other high profile teams the rest of the way.

    And our gimme game shouldnt be byu or utah state(Even though we own them 7 of last 8 games) because we're already winning the recruiting war in Utah.

    Let's schedule a division II team from California or Texas to improve our recruiting there

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 1, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    That's Funny...I thought the PAC-12 already had a big bowl game. It's nice to see that the PAC-12 has finally come to reality that they are and will be second tier to the SEC. I guess scheduling Colorado, Washington State, and Utah have diminished the lucrative PAC-12. I don't see it changing anytime soon. Maybe with that extra non-conference game, Utah will get the intestinal fortitude to schedule BYU on an annual basis. No more excuses Utah!

  • Levin Hightstown, NJ
    May 1, 2013 2:00 p.m.

    @UteNationAlum, totally agree. Hope the U will take the opportunity to dumb down the schedule only a little bit by agreeing to a long term late-season series with their biggest rival.

  • caleb in new york Glen Cove, NY
    May 1, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    Maybe I'm missing something but it seems to me like the effect of the amount of content for the Pac-12 network is about the same either way or that the 8-game conference schedule would provide more content than the 9 game conference schedule. Under a 9-game conference schedule, there are 6 "9th games" because each of the 12 teams in the league plays another of the 12 teams in the league for that week of games. But under an 8-game conference schedule, each of the 12 teams in the league plays an out-of-conference game for the "9th game" and at least half of those games would be home games for the Pac-12 teams - i.e. that week of games would provide 6 or more games that would belong to the pac-12 network. If for that extra week the Pac-12 teams each choose one patsy in a buy-out game, then that would be 12 games for the pac-12 network. If each team plays a challenging opponent as part of a home-and-home, then in each 2 year cycle that round of games will produce 12games forthe pac12network.

  • Go Utes Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2013 2:30 p.m.

    This is good news. Hoping that the Utes will now keep the BYU rivalry game alive. I am as big a U fan as they come, and I think it is a bad move to kill this great tradition. I know there are many that will disagree, but I think the rivalry brings the state together. It is a lot of fun (although some on both sides of course take it to extremes).

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 1, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    It's not really going to matter who Utah puts on their schedule. They still need to win PAC-12 games and I don't see a big improvement anytime soon. Playing BYU every year regardless of record is huge for all football fans. I will still watch a 3-7 or 4-6 Utah team that plays BYU every year and so will everybody else in Utah.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    May 1, 2013 3:00 p.m.

    Chrissy -

    v. utah will be the "gimme game" in the Pac 10.

    mark this down:

    U will win v. Weber State. Don't bet any money after that.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 1, 2013 3:17 p.m.

    "That's Funny...I thought the PAC-12 already had a big bowl game. It's nice to see that the PAC-12 has finally come to reality that they are and will be second tier to the SEC"

    Here we go again...so the haters don't have to waste there time, I'll do it for them:

    "The Granddaddy Of Them All" is a lower-tier bowl.
    "The Conference Of Champions" is weak.
    Utah is nothing but a "bottom dweller"
    Utah dropped the tds from their schedule cause they're afraid.
    On the field results don't mean anything.
    Nothing Utah does means anything.
    Every little thing the tds does proofs(worf) that they're better than Utah.

    If they do go to 8 games then Utah should put the tds back on they're schedule, but it won't be at the end of the season, maybe as their 4th preseason game.

    Go Utes.

  • Jeff29 Draper, UT
    May 1, 2013 4:25 p.m.

    This is interesting as there will be a great temptation to pad the schedule with that extra game, however, with the SOS disparity between the PAC12 and SEC, a one-loss SEC team may be ranked ahead of an undefeated PAC12 team that padded their schedule. Of course with the "playoff" a team only needs to be in the top 4 rather than top 2 in order to get a shot at the NC, regardless, it would be interesting to see how PAC12 teams use that extra game.

    I'm a lifelong BYU fan and have always thought that the BYU-Utah rivalry is one of the best in the country. I hope the schools, conference and networks can get together and make it happen very year in November (quit trying to manufacture a rivalry with Colorado).

  • Ironman SANTA CLARA, UT
    May 1, 2013 4:29 p.m.

    The PAC 10.2 wants its teams to schedule one more cupcake team each year to enhance the chances for its marginal teams to at least qualify for a bowl game. By their own admission, BYU is not a gimmie win because they are afraid to schedule them every year.

    It is noteworthy that since U of Arizona was admitted to the PAC 10 in 1978, they have a lack-luster 138-147-7 conference record with no outright conference titles (they tied for first once in 1993 with a 6-2 record). The Utes are off to a dismal 7-11 start in the PAC 10.2.

    Thirty years from now the Utes will have a losing record, much like U of A and probably worse.

    Cupcakes, anyone?

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2013 4:34 p.m.

    A conference that's never won a BCS championship would be wise to follow the lead of the conference that's dominated BCS championships. An 8-game conference schedule would be more balanced (4 home, 4 away) and would give PAC 12 teams more flexibility in scheduling OOC games.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 1, 2013 5:08 p.m.

    Area: What conference isn't "second tier" to the SEC right now? That is one of the silliest arguments I have heard of all times!! LOL

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    May 1, 2013 6:01 p.m.

    But utah "fans" have been telling us that the 9 game conference schedule is part of what makes the pac12 so great. You know it allows them to exclude themselves to mainly themselves and then they can use that as reason/excuse as to why they are so great and also why they can't ever win a national chmapionship.

    I'm excited to read all of the forthcoming spin.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 1, 2013 6:54 p.m.

    @Ironman "Cupcakes, anyone?"

    Sure, I'll have two Idahos and two New Mexico States. I really love the Idaho State and UCF flavors so I'll take one each of those. Hmmm, why don't you give me two of the Hawaii flavor as well. Ironman, good thing we have your team to demonstrate how to pick really great cupcake flavors.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 1, 2013 7:22 p.m.

    You can always go to Provo to get a cupcake and a couple of turnovers. Go Utes

  • Rational Salt Lake City, UT
    May 1, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    I would think the purpose of more out of conference games would be to STRENGTHEN the schedule, not weaken it. Otherwise, the PAC may never make the championship game.

    The SEC can be cowardly and schedule weak out of conference because they are tough enough in conference to not need the OOC games to make up the difference. The PAC is considered weaker than the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 almost every year, so they have to increase their SOS. With expansion and Notre Dame playing their partial ACC schedule, the ACC will likely pass the PAC, too.

  • UTE88 Sandy, UT
    May 1, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    I am a Utah Man Sir...As a proud UTE fan I hope Utah Mans Up and does what most fans on both side want, bring back the best game the state of Utah has had for over 100 years. Bring back BYU.

  • UtahBronco Lehi, UT
    May 1, 2013 9:34 p.m.

    Chris B -

    Why don't U pick up a game with Boise State? It would be fun to see U play the Broncos again, especially on the blue turf (U backed out of that one last time).

  • Who am I sir? Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 1, 2013 10:18 p.m.

    As I understand it if an eight conference game is scheduled it will involve a realignment of the current divisions. If so - PLEASE don't change. This year SLC will see UCLA (#14*); Stanford (#18); Arizona State (#29) and Oregon State (#32). In addition away games include Oregon (#2), USC (#23) and Arizona (#30). (Fans can see all these games by going to Arizona and LA in Oct. and Oregon in early Nov.) What a schedule and don't forget we play those same teams next year with the addition of Michigan. Brutal but beautiful! Go Utes - I will be at everyone of these games.

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 2, 2013 7:08 a.m.

    @VegasUte

    My silly argument is, the PAC-12 has always thought they were the "Premier" conference and everybody else is inferior. It's Great to see that reality has finally set in!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    May 2, 2013 7:51 a.m.

    I agree with many of these comments about their capabilities: Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    May 2, 2013 8:14 a.m.

    Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12 bottom feeder.

  • Elmer Fudd Sandy, Utah
    May 2, 2013 9:10 a.m.

    @ Ernest T. Bass

    "I agree with many of these comments about their capabilities: Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years"

    Neither has BYU!

    "Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12 bottom feeder"

    And BYU will always lose to that Pac-12 'bottom feeder'. The Cougies have shown no signs of being capable of beating big brother on the hill"

  • Area 52 Tooele, UT
    May 2, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    @Elmer Fudd

    Big Brother on the hill...Oh, Please! That is pretty Hilarious!

    This year will all change. BYU will beat Utah Guaranteed!

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 2, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    ETB: Utah hasn't beaten a good team in several years"

    EF: Neither has BYU!

    BYU beat #16/#17 Utah State(11-2) last season.

  • arrogant chickens Sandy, UT
    May 2, 2013 9:50 a.m.

    Chris B

    "...I hope we stop playing Utah State and BYU all together."

    No surprise there.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 9:58 a.m.

    Chris B:

    "Let's schedule a division II team from California or Texas to improve our recruiting there."

    We're not going to be winning any recruiting wars for top 3-, 4-, and 5-star athletes by beating D-II teams...even if they're teams from CA or TX. I feel if we need a "warm up" game, then warm up with teams like Colorado St, Wyoming, or UNLV -- teams we can beat, but have enough history with to make the game interesting. Plus, CSU, Wyo, and UNLV will do a FAR better job at pointing out to our coaching staff areas we could focus on and refine before we get into conference play than teams like Weber St.

    I wouldn't mind dropping the Y off our schedule, but I see no reason to drop the Aggies. USU is a classy programs. When THEY lose, their coach doesn't make classless comments about how the better team didn't win. USU is a team on the rise.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    May 2, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    EdGrady

    "Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12 bottom feeder."

    Utah's record speaks for itself; the Utes finished last or next to last in every PAC 12 men's sport they played, except basketball, where they finished 10th.

    After two years in the league, the Utes are a combined 15-39 in football and men's basketball.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 10:08 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "But utah 'fans' have been telling us that the 9 game conference schedule is part of what makes the pac12 so great."

    Another strawman ducky? Which Ute fans had been saying that, and in what context? Because the only folks I know of that were lauding the 9-game slate (as better than an 8-game conference schedule) were Pac-12 officials such as Larry Scott, the Pac-12 North coaches who wanted to ensure good access to CA recruits, and ESPN/FOX for putting out superior schedules than the SEC, BigTen, and ACC.

    I personally prefer the 8-game conference schedule. I feel the most ideal situation for the Pac-12 would be to play 8 conference games, plus a conference crossover game with the BigTen as the 9th game.

    So let's hear it Duck. Which Ute fans said they preferred 9-game conference schedules?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 10:11 a.m.

    Rational:

    "The PAC is considered weaker than the SEC, Big 12, Big 10 almost every year..."

    You frantically and emotionally made that up. When was the last time the BigTen's conference was considered superior to the Pac-12's. The Pac-12 is typically just behind the Big 12. Don't confuse the Pac-12 with your WACishness.

  • Rockwell Baltimore, MD
    May 2, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    navelvet

    "I feel if we need a "warm up" game, then warm up with teams like Colorado St, Wyoming, or UNLV -- teams we can beat..."

    Better stick to Big Sky and D-II teams; Kyle has lost to every one of the aforementioned teams.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    May 2, 2013 10:18 a.m.

    I see that the usual suspects are hoping that the Utes will run away and hide from the mighty Cougars.

    We all know that the worm is about to turn, so they want to end the series now while they still have a semblance of bragging rights, at least as far as head-to-head.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    Sports Authority,

    You're right, Utah won't schedule BYU anymore because the Utes are sick and tired of getting pounded by the cougars year in and year out. Don't the cougars own the all-time series?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 10:47 a.m.

    @EdGrady & Sports Fan "Eight games or nine - Utah will always be the Pac-12 bottom feeder."

    That quote speaks volumes about a football program that can't beat Utah. Maybe that's why the PAC12 and all other big-time conferences have not knocked on the cougar's door.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 11:06 a.m.

    The conference will never go to an 8 game schedule, which is fine by me. The California schools will not allow it. The only way it would be preferable would be if we go to an 8 game schedule AND revive the B1G affiliation. But, B1G is discussing going to 9 games too, so it looks like that will not be an option.

    All you trollers, who still think that independence is better, talking trash on this story about our conference affiliation is just laughable. Irrelevance must be just boring if you have to continually troll Utah stories!! Every time you post on a Utah story - you prove my point!!! Funny and entertaining!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 11:18 a.m.

    Area - the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions"!! RIGHT NOW, as in today, as in recent times, the SEC is by far the most dominant conference in FOOTBALL. There is no one who can argue that right now. I has nothing to do with reality setting in. Therefore: your argument = silly.

    There will be a time, as there was time in the past, when that will not be the case. Who knows when that will be or which conference(s) will take over. The way that the SEC is set up right now, with only 8 conference games and a larger conference, it appears that may not be for a while.

    The one thing that is a certainty: independence = irrelevance. This is PROVEN by all the tds trollers flocking to this PAC 12 story! Love it!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 2, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    VegasUte

    "the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker 'Conference of Champions'"

    Unfortunately for U, the Utes aren't even close to being a "premier" team in this so-called "premier" conference; fortunately for the Pac 10.2, however, the Utes are filling their role as conference whipping boys very nicely.

    btw, the PAC 10.2 is close to finishing the bcs era without a bcs championship; how embarrassing, for the so called, "conference of champions"!

  • Pavalova Surfers Paradise, AU
    May 2, 2013 11:56 a.m.

    @Chrissy, "Is that bill shakspear over there? i can't see so good." Here's what you wrote:

    "I'd rather go find another one and one like we did with Michigan." When exactly did Michigan play in SLC? Just wondering.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 12:03 p.m.

    @talkin: the tds will end the BCS era without even a SNIFF at one of the BCS bowls! Now THAT is embarrassing!!! And I wonder why you are on a PAC 12 story rather than a tds story!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    @TheSportsAuthority: “We all know that the worm is about to turn, so they want to end the series now while they still have a semblance of bragging rights, at least as far as head-to-head.”
    What signs do you have that the “worm” has turned? That you are losing the recruiting wars both in state and out or that your 2013 schedule is significantly more difficult than your 2012 (8-5) schedule? Maybe its that the tds has such an awesome presence in the NFL or that your highly recruited QBs have been so amazingly successful or that you finally have a conference affiliation – no wait, those don’t work either! About the only thing the TDS did to turn the worm was create a bye week before the big brother game - you'll need the extra week to forget 54-10.

    What is your definition of “semblance”? 3 out of 4, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, 13 out of 20, and 56-34-4 overall is more than a semblance, it is domination. Maybe you should consult Webster over the meaning of “semblance”.

    Go Utes!!

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 2, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    VegasUte

    "[BYU] will end the BCS era without even a SNIFF at one of the BCS bowls! Now THAT is embarrassing!!!

    Not true. Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all.

    Unfortunately for U, being a member of a conference that bills itself as the "conference of champions" and having your conference completely shut out from winning a single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 12:16 p.m.

    @ UTE88 - tds will be back in 2016. We just got tired of dominating them, so we decided to use Michigan for those two years, then we are back to domination!!

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 12:22 p.m.

    @ Talkin: Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls? Now that's funny!! I thought you guys had an undeniable world-wide presence?? Why would they not have "chosen" the great and powerful tds?

    Still wondering why you are posting on a PAC 12 story rather than on a tds story? Jealous much?

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    May 2, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    VegasUte:

    You state "we got tired of dominating them." I'd like to know just how many of those dominating games you actually played in to warrant saying "we"?

    You should be reminded that per the actual facts, BYU has dominated Utah in wins over the past 40 years with a record of 26-14, nearly a 2 to 1 advantage. It's hard to get tired in just the short term, but you Utah is. However, enjoy your little short term streak for a few more months while it lasts.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 2, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    vegasute

    "What signs do you have that the “worm” has turned?"

    Utah has been in steady decline since 2008 and your recent head-to-head success is the only thing you have left to cling to.

    13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck is about to run out.

  • uteBusters Park City, UT
    May 2, 2013 1:06 p.m.

    @vegasute: the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions"

    It's nice that U get to rub shoulders with "champions"; unfortunately for you, no other PAC 12 men's team has won fewer national championships than the Utes, who have only won ONE national championship in their entire history, and that, over 30 years ago in a sport in which only one other PAC 12 school participates.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    @ Talkin Sport "Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen"

    Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible for

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 1:21 p.m.

    talkinsports:

    "Not true. Several BYU teams were eligible for BCS bowls, just not chosen. Not embarrassing at all...Unfortunately for U, being a member of a conference that bills itself as the 'conference of champions' and having your conference completely shut out from winning a single bcs championship is very embarrassing!!!"

    The cougars never finished ranked in the Top-6 (or even Top-12) of the Final BCS standings like your two big brothers: Utah and TCU. You couldn't even "back in" to the BCS ala Hawai'i or No. Illinois.

    And the Pac-12 wasn't "completely shut out". I seem to recall seeing a 13-0 USC team pounding Oklahoma in Miami's Orange Bowl back in 2004, and winning a BCS national championship. While that title may have been vacated due Reggie-Bush induced sanctions, the fact remains, USC DID play in that game, and the DID win.

    And if you want to make a case that the Indy-WACers "qualified" for a BCS bowl, then wouldn't you also have to concede that USC (2003) and Utah (2004, 2008) also "qualified" but wasn't selected?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 1:24 p.m.

    talkinsports (cont.):

    And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not winning a BCS title when your small-ball program with that alleged "legacy" and "national brand" couldn't even play their way into one of the lesser (aka, NOT the title game) BCS bowl games?

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 2, 2013 1:42 p.m.

    navelvet

    "And don't you feel even the SLIGHTEST bit hypocritical for calling out a conference with multiple Top-5 finishes for not winning a BCS title..."

    Not in the slightest. When an entire conference arrogantly bills itself as the "conference of champions", yet isn't good enough to win a single bcs championship, it deserves to be called out.

    bottom line - BYU has won as many bcs championships as the entire "conference of champions".

    btw - A vacated title is just that "VACATED"; it's wiped from the record books, like it never happened.

  • killarney Lincoln Park, IL
    May 2, 2013 2:03 p.m.

    If the PAC 12 is really interested qualifying teams for the playoffs, why would Utah fans be talking about downgrading their schedule, unless of course, the Utes don't really consider themselves as playoff contenders?

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 2:08 p.m.

    @Olympus Cove "13 of the last 16 head-to-head matchups have been decided by a TD or less in the closing minutes or in overtime. Utah's recent luck is about to run out"

    Of course Utah's wins are lucky but none of BYU's are including the 2009 OT game, 4th & 18 or Harlene on his knees etc. etc. You do realize that BYUs last 6 wins in this series are by a TD or less and during that same period Utah has blown BYU out of the water 3 times. But of course Utah is lucky, we get it.

    Since 1985 Utah has the winning record in this series, I don't think it's luck anymore.

  • talkinsports Gilbert, AZ
    May 2, 2013 2:11 p.m.

    U 90

    "Please enlighten us on the BCS bowls BYU was eligible for"

    Look it up yourself; BYU's year-by-year records, the final BCS standings, and the rules for BCS eligibility are readily available online.

    --------

    navelvet

    Your BYU bcs obsession is laughable considering Kyle's only claim to fame is his one-hit wonder 2008 bcs season. Other than that, his overall accomplishments pale in comparison to Bronco's, as have been cited ad nauseam.

    The Utes have been in steady decline since 2008, and joining the PAC has only hastened that decline. Remind us again how many of Utah's recent NFL draft choices and 5-star recruits played in a bowl game last season.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 2:12 p.m.

    ute buster,

    Really, you gonna go all tennis smack now. If tennis, volleyball and track float your boat, that's really nice, but this is a Utah football article.

  • skywalker Palo Alto, CA
    May 2, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    uteBusters

    That's a pretty impressive list for an athletic program that's supposed to be "irrelevant", at least according to the kids on the hill.

  • VegasUte Las Vegas, NV
    May 2, 2013 2:28 p.m.

    Killarney- Not all Utah fans are for the 8 game schedule. I certainly am not. The only way it would be good for the conference is if the B1G and the PAC 12 renew their agreement for inter conference scheduling. That would certainly not be a down grade.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2013 2:31 p.m.

    @ talkinsports

    The PAC-12, as a conference, has won over 450 national championships. That number absolutely dwarfs all of the other conferences. Not to mention that 87 medals from the 2012 olympic games came from athletes who competed or are still currently at PAC-12 schools. Therefor the PAC-12 is the conference of champions. Nobody else even comes close.

  • Jealous U Alpine, UT
    May 2, 2013 2:38 p.m.

    U 90

    It's luck.

    How else do you explain the Utes beating BYU, but finishing the season with a worse record and a lower ranking, including the last two years?

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

    btw, since 1985, the series is tied 14-14

    Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 12
    Utah 6

    Conference Championships
    BYU 12
    Utah 5

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 2, 2013 2:49 p.m.

    2fer

    Remind us again how many of those 450 national championships Utah's men's teams have won.

  • SoonerUte Salt Lake City, UT
    May 2, 2013 2:54 p.m.

    "btw, since 1985..."
    The modern era of football began in 1998. Could you update your copy-and-paste statistics, and put the old-timey-leather-helmet stuff to rest?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 2, 2013 3:58 p.m.

    Snack WAC:

    "Remind us again how many of those 450 national championships Utah's men's teams have won."

    20. Which places Utah ahead of our Pac-12 brethren Arizona (18), Oregon (19), Washington (6), Oregon St. (3), and Washington St. (2).

    I can't believe you went there.

  • phantomblade Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2013 4:22 p.m.

    navelvet

    "Remind us again how many of those 450 national championships Utah's MEN's teams have won."

    Sorry, but 20 isn't even close.

    Utah's MEN's Ski Team is the only Utah MEN's team ever to win a national championship, in 1981.

    Which places the Utah MEN dead last amongst your PAC 12 BRETHREN!

    ---------

    Utah's COED Ski Team won 9 national championships - the last in 2003

    Utah's WOMEN's Gymnastics Team won 9 national championships - the last in 1995.

    I can't believe you're so uninformed about your own team.

  • midpacmajor Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2013 5:03 p.m.

    The inconsistency of Utah fans is baffling:

    vegasute: the PAC is a premier conference when considering ALL sports - thus the well deserved moniker "Conference of Champions" - Not much going on in Provo?

    uteBusters: #1-ranked BYU men's volleyball team, #4-ranked BYU men's rugby team, #23-ranked BYU men's track & field team, #39-ranked BYU men's tennis team

    U 90: Really, you gonna go all tennis smack now. If tennis, volleyball and track float your boat, that's really nice, but

    twofer: The PAC-12, as a conference, has won over 450 national championships

    midpacmajor: Over 95% of which were won in a sport other than football.

    Snack PAC: Remind us again how many of those 450 national championships Utah's men's teams have won.

    navelvet: 20. Which places Utah ahead of our Pac-12 brethren

    phantomblade: Sorry, not even close.

  • PAC man Anaheim, CA
    May 2, 2013 5:14 p.m.

    phantomblade

    So the Utah men have only ever won one national championship, way back in 1981?

    And that in a college sport so minor that the only FBS schools that the Utes have to compete against are Colorado, New Mexico and Wyoming.

    Interesting.

  • U 90 Corona, CA
    May 2, 2013 6:13 p.m.

    talkinsports, don't trick yourself in to thinking BYU has ever been considered for a BCS bowl. Boise(2), TCU(2), Utah(2) and Hawaii(1) were all undefeated. No BCS bowl has ever considered inviting a 2 or 3 loss BYU team.

    Jealous, are you saying 3 in a row, 4 of 5, 7 of 10, 13 of 20 is luck? Get use to it... it's the new normal.

  • Uteology East Salt Lake City, Utah
    May 2, 2013 7:41 p.m.

    @talkinsports: btw, the PAC 10.2 is close to finishing the bcs era without a bcs championship; how embarrassing, for the so called, "conference of champions"!

    ---------

    BTW, the BCS era is over but the so called "legacy program" with a "national brand" finished:

    With 10,000 Quest T-Shirts (see 2008)
    One airport celebration for a 1-0 team (see 2009)
    And no BCS berth

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    May 2, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    '84--

    Brigham Young

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1. Unfortunately,

    BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    May 2, 2013 10:58 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    Despite your jealous whining, BYU's 1984 performance was obviously STRONG enough to be selected CONSENSUS National Champions by all five major selecting organizations of the day.

    btw, if Michigan had beaten Ohio St in their regular season finale, the Wolverines would have been playing in the Rose Bowl instead of the Holiday Bowl.

    btw2, BYU will be playing for TWO national championships this Saturday - the Varsity Cup Collegiate Rugby National Championship versus Cal at 1 p.m. at BYU's South Field, and the NCAA Men's Volleyball National Championship versus UC Irvine at 7 p.m. in UCLA's Pauley Pavilion.

    Go Cougars!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 3, 2013 8:24 a.m.

    "You state "we got tired of dominating them." I'd like to know just how many of those dominating games you actually played in to warrant saying "we"?"

    Really?...So now, nothing Utah does means anything because the fans didn't play in the game? Wow.

    Dear haters, The first step to recovery is: Admitting that you have a problem.

    Go Utes.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    May 3, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    phantomblade:

    "Sorry, but 20 isn't even close."

    Sorry, I misread your challenge. Utah had won 20 national championships in all sports. You wanted to just cherry pick the "Men's" sports, although I'm not sure why. The Pac-12 is the "Conference of Champions". Not the "Conferences of Men's Sports Champions".

    As for the Men...

    (1) Basketball -- 1916 (AAU), 1944 (NCAA)
    (2) Skiing -- 1981 (plus 9 other NCs after the NCAA combined the Men's team with the Women's)

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    May 3, 2013 10:57 a.m.

    navelvet

    LOL!

    AAU champion? How about your PeeWee league champions?

    The Helms Athletic Foundation lists Wisconsin(20-1) and Army(15-0) as the 1916 and 1944 national champions, respectively.

    The sad truth is, the Utes have only won one solo men's national championship, and that over 30 years ago in a college sport that is so obscure that hardly any fans watch or follow the sport and only 3 other FBS schools participate - Colorado, Wyoming and New Mexico.

    If not for Utah's women, the Utes would be practically non-existence on the national championship scene.

  • Fashion Police Olympus Cove, Utah
    May 3, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    ekute

    "Dear haters, The first step to recovery is: Admitting that you have a problem."

    Sounds like you're ready to take your first step; maybe you could invite the usual suspects from the hill to join you.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    May 3, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    ekute

    You should talk to your friend, Chris B, who posted the following as the 2nd post on this article:

    "I dont care if we do drop a Pac 12 game, I hope we stop playing Utah state and byu all together.

    They do nothing to help our profile when we win(which we're a combined 7 out of 8) against them last 8 games."

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    May 3, 2013 7:57 p.m.

    Serious question: What's the PAC-12 rule on minimum number of sports that a member is required to participate in. Clearly, few PAC-12 teams field men's volleyball teams, and the few who do are in the same conference as BYU. Also, I don't believe Utah has a men's track and field team. Are they the only conference member who doesn't?

    I know Title IX has a huge impact on such issues, but I enjoy not only FB and BB but the "Olympic Sports" as well and have been sorry to see their demise over the past two decades.

    It would be great if the U and the Y could have rivalries across a wide range of sports.

  • wazzup Cottonwood Heights, UT
    May 5, 2013 10:55 p.m.

    This is the Pac-12's attempt to weaken their schedules. For all you Utah and BYU fans, we will soon find out which school is afraid to play the other. The U has used the scheduling excuse to elminate playing USU and BYU. Now with another game slot opening up, does anyone think that the U will play BYU and USU on a consistent basis? They (Utah) will try and find another cupcake to play..........and if you believe BYU and USU fit the bill, I'm sure Utah will again schedule these two schools regularly.

    Time will tell. We'll see if the U will walk the walk.

  • dansimp Layton, UT
    May 6, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Reading comments on either BYU or Utah football articles is a study in frustration and hilarity. The fact that so many fans for both teams are divorced from reality is astounding. They can both quote stats so cherry picked as to remind one of the announcer on Major League, I'm just waiting for one or both types of fans to pull out a "Oh Yeah, well my team is undefeated playing at home in October against teams with a left handed QB for the last 47 and a half years." For the love of everything holy, if you can't see that both BYU and Utah have had great teams and miserable teams over the last couple decades then you are blind or an idiot. I get not wanting to praise your rival, but you ought to, at that point, shut it. When you try to argue that either of these teams has been dominant, or lousy, in comparison to the other, you look like a fool.

    Go Cougs.

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    May 6, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    I like the idea of going to 8 league games; it gives you an additional non-conference game. The PAC 12 needs to follow suite with the SEC.