Does this mean that ALL the cops inside the station get to go on "paid
vacation.....er..."administrative leave" for the next 6 months like the
last shooting in WVC?
2 quick Questions to the pro-gun 2nd amendment people out there -- How did this guy get a gun in the 1st place?And why do you keep
defending and supportting them?
LDS LiberalHow do think the citizens of Boston now feel about having
a gun in the house to protect the lives of their families?
I don't know if this is the case here, but having counseled a number of sex
offenders, many of their lives continue to be hell even after they have
completed their prison sentence. Most can't get a decent job to survive in
the real world, most are shunned, many won't have a satisfying
relationahip, their lives will never be normal. Whether or not this is just
punishment for such offenses, a number of these people sometimes believe they
would be better off back in prison or worse.
@LDS Liberal,Answer to question 1: He probably got it illegally.
Stricter gun laws, which you obviously want, aren't going to stop people
like this guy from getting their hands on them.Answer to question 2:
Why? To protect my family. Why do you want to take my ability and my right to
protect my family out of my hands? If you don't want to have guns, then
don't buy them. But don't take away my right to purchase them and use
them to defend and protect my family.
Did Mayor Winder really refer to the police station as a sanctuary? I support
the police and I'm glad that we have people willing to do the job. But a
LDS Liberal: it is his right to own one.
A LDS LiberalDrugs are illegal. People still get them. Making guns
illegal won't solve headcases from getting them. Taking guns away from
everyone empowers these types of people. If they can go open fire in a public
place like what happened at Trolley Square and they know people are not armed,
they will do it with more confidence. Unfortunately a person with bad intentions
finds ways to "get the job done." Whether a bomb or a gun or whatever.
It is sad, and the gun debate will always continue.
@ LDS Liberal- "How did this guy get a gun in the 1st
place?"He got it illegally, probably by stealing it or having someone
with a clean record make an illegal "straw purchase" for him. As a
convicted felon he is prohibited forever from purchase OR POSSESSION of any
firearm. There seems to be a pattern here of ignoring laws, so passing more
laws will not stop a guy like this."And why do you keep
defending and supporting them?"Sorry, I don't support convicted
felons having guns or breaking laws or molesting children. Question
for LDS LIberal now: "Why do you ignore the fact that criminals break
existing laws and then demand more restrictions on law abiding citizens?
Especially law abiding citizens who have a right to defend themselves from
criminals?"For the WVC cops- Good work, you did the right
thing. However, when deadly force is required it should be deadly,
so some more marksmanship training is needed. Suicide by cop is not the fault
of the officers involved, but the act of the victim for whatever twisted reason
they might have. We must not let our officers be put at risk by suicidal
2 quick questions for LDS Liberal...How do you feel about the
Constitution and Bill of Rights?Do I not have a natural to defend myself
and my family against those who might do me/them harm?
Good guy becomes bad guy fast and deadly when trigger pulled.
The real story here is that a trained police officer took six shots from 20 feet
and hit the guy in the arm twice. I am sure the average citizen would be even
less accurate, especially in a high stress situation. You guys may
feel like you're protecting your family, but in reality you're
endangering everybody else around you.@ peacemakerPlease
tell us how a gun is supposed to protect you from a roadside bomb?
"Please tell us how a gun is supposed to protect you from a roadside
bomb?"It is self-evident he was talking about the citizens of
Boston huddled inside their homes while the police were looking for the suspect
after there had already been a shootout. Go ahead and flinch again.
@peacemakerProvo, UT@YGradFanCENTERVILLE, UT@snowmanProvo, UT@JazzledazzleProvo, UT@DN
Subscriber 2SLC, UT@RepresentBlueWest Jordan, UT1. I'm a veteran.2. I've had extensive weapons
training.3. I had to under go background checks, mental health
evaluations, and training and certifications.4. I own several guns, and
ALWAYS keep them in a gun safe.I want to know why you pro-gun nuts
keep thinking KNOWN criminals, KNOWN mental cases, and KNOWN terror suspects
should be allowed unrestricted access to weapons?
More goofy laws won't protect people for those who are determined to
disrupt or harm. I personally think that if we stopped this "war on
drugs," we'd save hundreds of billions of dollars and avoid building
hundreds of prisons. If people want to self destruct, they will usually find
SOME way to do it, even if it's a legal drug like alcohol. If they want to
harm others, there are multiple ways--ways that can't be covered by
removing a bunch of rights and privileges from the rest of us. A gallon of
gasoline used judiciously can do immense harm to multiple individuals and
property, yet I don't think we need more regulation on the distribution of
fuel. We need a society that teaches morals, ethics, and individual
responsibility and accountability.
tabunoYou're absolutely right. In our sex-obsessed society,
you're pretty much guilty until proven innocent when it comes to anything
remotely connected with sex. They tell me that public urination can get you on
the famous registry and have you thereby blacklisted from many social and
economic opportunities and venues. Yet we have NO registries for those who
embezzle, rob, sell drugs, manufacture drugs, set fires, assault wives and
girlfriends . . . or even murder. Supposedly, the registries are there to
protect the public, but yet many dangerous criminals are not on registries, know
how to avoid/evade the law, or are very dangerous first-time offenders . . .
which all spells a false sense of security and hell for the registrants and
their families. Popular . . . but stupid, just like so many other laws and
LDS Liberal: 1. There are veterans in my family. 2. They all went through the
same training that you did. 3.They and their family members have gone through
all those other things that you did. 4. We all own guns and use them safely.
Our Constitution says we can have guns.
There are laws against people stealing things, but people still steal.There are laws against certain drugs, but people still take them.Do we say to ourselves there is no sense in modifying our laws to counteract
these illegal activities? No. We continue to enact laws to move towards more
effective stopgaps and punishments for those who break the relevant laws.So, explain why the NRA and so many use the arguments that
"criminals will still get guns" and "we just need to enforce the
laws we already have" to argue against making background checks mandatory
and straw purchases illegal. Where is the harm in that?And by the
way, I am liberal, I am a combat veteran, I am pro-gun ownership, and I do
believe in the right to carry concealed and defend one's self. I simply
fail to see any real logic in fighting against measures which have been proven
to reduce gun violence.
If he was a registered sex offender, that means he as a convicted felon, which
means he was not allowed to own a firearm legally. We need to do a better
job of enforcing the laws we have, not create new ones.And what the heck
was this guy thinking? West Valley Police Department? The department that's
notorious for shooting people as it is, and facing a severe probe due to how it
handles things and that's where you go to pull a gun? Sorry, that's
Can't trust anything that comes out of the west valley police department
these days. This person could've had his hand in his pocket and the officer
shot him without being sure.
LDS Liberal. 1. I'm a veteran.2. I've had extensive
weapons training.3. I had to under go background checks, mental health
evaluations, and training and certifications.4. I own several guns, and
ALWAYS keep them in a gun safe.Great! But it still doesn't give
you the right to play the part of an Authoritarian Facist.
@RepresentBlueWestJordan, UT2 quick questions for LDS Liberal...How do you feel about the Constitution and Bill of Rights?Do I not
have a natural to defend myself and my family against those who might do me/them
harm?3:48 p.m. [I know what the 2nd Amendment says - becasue
I've been a member of that "well-regulated milita" most you
conviently always ignore -- yes, you have the right to defend your family,
but not to harm others or cause insurrection against our nation. Question for you -- How do you feel about MY right to keep and bear chemical,
biological, and nuclear weapons?]============snowmanProvo, UTLDS Liberal: 1. There are veterans in my family. 2. They all
went through the same training that you did. 3.They and their family members
have gone through all those other things that you did. 4. We all own guns and
use them safely. Our Constitution says we can have guns.8:54 p.m.
[Good - Then you know to always "keep" them in a gunsafe or
locked armory. Because that is how the military taught us "keep"
our arms. BTW - background checks would NEVER take away the right.]
LDS Liberal: I have my gun where I can get it easily