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  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2013 5:54 p.m.

    Does anyone know how many times Utah has had the most nfl draft picks of all utah schools in recent years, say in the last 10 years?

    10?
    9 maybe?

    Our dominance continues on the field and in the draft

    Proud of you joe!

    You deserve this.

    Go PAC 12! Go utes!

  • canadiancougar624 Raymond, 00
    April 27, 2013 6:06 p.m.

    @Chris B

    No one knows except for you I'm sure. But really who cares if you can't make a bowl game. And BTW you didn't have the most this year. You tied with USU.

  • Roger Jolly Maricopa, AZ
    April 27, 2013 7:00 p.m.

    Good for Joe, he'll be a great addition to Philly. He actually might be a steal, we'll see.

    @Chris B

    Good job, I for one get a kick out of your comments. The "mid-major" fans get all hysterical over every word you say. I for one get the joke. Keep up the good work, some people just can't laugh about the rivalry. And even if you're a faux-Ute fan, thanks for the chuckles.

    @Canadiancouger624

    Thanks for pointing that out, your insecurity is showing. So it seems both UTAH and Utah State put out more NFL talent than the legacy, national brand wannabe Notre Dame school. That's funny. Play in a real conference just like UTAH and TCU. Then we'll see how your team does. Oh, that's right, nobody wants your team except for the Mountain West Conference. Sad.

  • Rock Of The Marne Phoenix, AZ
    April 27, 2013 7:09 p.m.

    Congrats to Joe Kruger. Shall we compare bowl records Canadian Cougar? Go Utes!

  • Chris B Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2013 7:12 p.m.

    Canadian,

    You are right. We tied with Utah state.

    And we both had more than byU!

    Again.

    Lol.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 27, 2013 7:26 p.m.

    Yet another Ute advances to the League. Congrats Joe!

  • canadiancougar624 Raymond, 00
    April 27, 2013 7:28 p.m.

    @ChrisB

    A tie with little brother USU is a loss in my opinion. I'd rather have U lose than I win.

    BTW, congrats to Joe, I've known him for a few years and no one deserves this opportunity more than him.

  • UC Baller Salt Lake City, UT
    April 27, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    Re Canadian Cougar

    I am a BYU fan, and even I don't understand your comment. Trying to poke fun of a team that had more draft picks than us, and trying to relate it to a bowl game? Dumb. We lose when it comes to NFL picks.

    I live by and know Joe. nice job big man, hope it works out. Congrats.

    We can say all we want about BYU vs Utah people. And there are no points for lip service. I don't care who plays what opponent tougher, or who is in a tougher league. You people act like there is no head to head game. Plain and simple, it is settled onthe field. Utah beat us last year so they were better. Duh.

    This year I take my Cougs at home. But until they play,,everyone put a sock in it!

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 27, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    "I'd rather have U lose than I win." ?

    Canadian cougar ?

    Is that you Max ?

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 27, 2013 9:55 p.m.

    @Chris B.

    Rutgers just had 7 players drafted.
    That's equal to Ohio State, Nebraska and Michigan, COMBINED!

    Nobody would ever elevate Rutgers over those teams in terms of Legacy and Brand and likewise, nobody will ever elevate Utah football above BYU's Generational Tradition and Legacy.

    These things are cyclical and Utah is just now beginning to settle in to their new home on Wannabee Lane.

    Even with all of your "False Bravado" Chrissy, it is still BYU and Ziggy, who were the story of the NFL draft and who lived and are living in the National limelight.
    Utah Who?

    Ziggy and BYU has had more National Publcity in the last 2 months than Utah has had in the last 5 years.....Combined!
    Look it up.

    Ute fans, still desperately trying to escape BYU's shadow, while riding others Coat-Tails.
    Let's see if your Utes can post a winning season in football or basketball in the next 5 years, OK?

    BYU has Tradition, Legacy, Brand, Exposure and Hardware, which Utah will never replicate.

  • redfeather Palo Alto, CA
    April 27, 2013 11:35 p.m.

    Star's over rated.

    In this year’s draft, more than twice as many 2-stars (47) were drafted than 5-stars (19). So much for stars being an indicator of college football success.

    I see that christy is still trying to salve the bitter disappointment of watching her team spend the holidays at home on the couch.

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:19 a.m.

    Congratulations Joe! The Eagles selected a very talented DE that should be in the league for a long time.

    Hopefully Dave can stick with the Browns and we will have three Krugers in the NFL!

    Reading the posts from Bluto, redfeather and Chris B take away from this article. The continued hatred between the minority of the Utah and BYU fans has become ridiculous.

    @redfeather: are you aware of the ratio of 5-star vs 2-star athletes? Of course there are more three and two star athletes drafted! FYI, Star was not overrated and he wasn't a five star athlete.

    @Bluto: "Ziggy and BYU has had more National Publcity in the last 2 months than Utah has had in the last 5 years.....Combined! Look it up."

    Seriously? There were some great stories about Ziggy over the past two months. Ziggy is a stud and I hope he does well in the NFL. During the past two months we have also heard many stories about Star and his heart condition. Star had been ranked as a top five draft prospect so he has been a national topic. Last five years: move to PAC12, undefeated season with #2 ranking, Alex....

  • UtesBy5 Syracuse, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:30 a.m.

    @Bluto: "Ute fans, still desperately trying to escape BYU's shadow, while riding others Coat-Tails. Let's see if your Utes can post a winning season in football or basketball in the next 5 years, OK?

    BYU has Tradition, Legacy, Brand, Exposure and Hardware, which Utah will never replicate."

    Sorry BYU was left behind, it wasn't Utah's fault that the PAC12 didn't select them over Colorado. I wish both schools had been invited to keep the rivalry going.

    To respond to your emotional post, I'd like to point out the following:

    1- Since you brought up basketball, Utah has a stronger tradition, legacy, brand, exposure and hardware. National Championship, four Final Fours, rated 20th best program over the last 50 years by ESPN (BYU was #36), 35 NCAA Tournament wins (BYU has 15)

    2- This century Utah has had the #1 pick in the NBA draft as well as the NFL draft

    3- Utah football has two undefeated seasons and two top-5 final rankings this century. BYU had one undefeated season and two top-5 rankings last century and none this century

    4- BYU's glory years were from the 1970s through the 1990s

    5- Utah belongs to the PAC12

    Shadow?

  • canadiancougar624 Raymond, 00
    April 28, 2013 12:33 a.m.

    @ekute

    dang you caught me, now I need to change my username

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:50 a.m.

    @ redfeather

    Why don't you compare the percentage of 2 stars drafted to the percentage of 5 star players who were drafted... I think that might change your argument a little bit.

    @ Bluto

    "Ziggy and BYU has had more National Publcity in the last 2 months than Utah has had in the last 5 years.....Combined!
    Look it up."

    All I have to say about this is... L-O-L!

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    April 28, 2013 8:04 a.m.

    @ Chris B, Roger Jolly, and Canadian,

    When are you guys going to grow up and be mature adults? Give us all a break, please!!! That "My dad is better than your dad" kind of stuff is childish coming from grownups who should know better. Why can't you just congratulate each other on their achievements without resorting to name calling and touting that "I'm better than you" crap? I salute the Kruger boys and all the others from Utah schools who were drafted and congratulates them on their successes. May they all be wildly successful in their respective careers!

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 28, 2013 9:23 a.m.

    @utesby5

    If you are truly outraged then why do you continue to do the exact same thing?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 9:57 a.m.

    "I salute the Kruger boys and all the others from Utah schools who were drafted and congratulates them on their successes. May they all be wildly successful in their respective careers!"

    I'm with you on that Bigsamoan.

    But I think the back and forth is just part of the fun of being a sports fan.
    Sometimes we get a little to "frantic and emotional".
    That's when we tilt our heads back and "LOL".

    Go Utes.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:03 a.m.

    @christina

    According to reports BYU has 5 players that were either drafted or signed free agent contracts plus 1 more that has an invitation to attend camp. utah had onyl 3 players drafted or that signed as free agents. That means BYU had twice as many players as utah did that got NFL teams to take them in some form this year.

    Can you explain this discrepancy to us?

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:16 a.m.

    No doubt, the only way to explain it is that "byu is twice as good as Utah".

    Go Utes.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:19 a.m.

    UtesBy5

    Sorry to burst your crimson bubble, but Utah's basketball "tradition" is DEAD!

    Since Majerus's remnants left in 2005, the Utes are 116-137 (46%), with 6 losing seasons, and an embarrassing loss in their only NCAA tournament game.

    The Utes have never had a football tradition; it took the Utes over a hundred years of playing football just to crack the AP Top 25 for the very first time. Utah is nothing more than a fading two-hit wonder flash-in-the-pan.

  • u25 West Jordan, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:24 a.m.

    Ducky it's an embarrassment that you think signing 4 players from your team is good. Before you post such drivoul you should do some research. 4 players is on par with div 2 schools. Utah had 9 players picked up yesterday.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Duckhunter, Utah's UDFA:
    Sean Sellwood: Falcons
    Tevita Stevens: Redskins
    Ryan Lacy: Saints
    Reggie Dunn: Steelers
    Reggie Topps: Cardinals
    Sam Brenner: Dolphins
    Moe Lee: Ravens
    David Rolf: Chargers
    Dave Kruger: Browns

    That means you talk before you know anything again. Can you explain this to us?

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:50 a.m.

    If he would have played just 6 games for coach bronco he would have been a #1 top 5 pick.

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 28, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    StGtoSLC

    And with all of those "NFL-caliber" players, the Utes still weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl?

    Pathetic!

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    Roger Jolley commented in response to Chris B.

    "@Chris B

    Good job, I for one get a kick out of your comments. The "mid-major" fans get all hysterical over every word you say. I for one get the joke. Keep up the good work, some people just can't laugh about the rivalry. And even if you're a faux-Ute fan, thanks for the chuckles."

    The problem here is that this is no joking. There appears to be a very deep hatred of BYU here that ends up in childish name calling, and in some cases very hateful comments. Chris B does not joke. I believe he is very sincere with his posts. This is hate stuff.

    Nothing hysterical in a response to hate and name calling. You use of "mid major" is not a joke. I read is as attempt to use a basketball term to slur and degrade other programs.

    Sorry for the preaching but name calling leads to bullying in school. Check out 42 and the boy in the stands who follows his father in yelling hate at Jackie Robinson.

    Some poeple just don't grow up.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 11:52 a.m.

    SportsFan: "And with all of those "NFL-caliber" players, the Utes still weren't good enough to qualify for a bowl?"

    Which speaks volumes about the level of competition the Utes face week in and week out...exactly what we have been trying to tell you people for the last two years. Finally, the light comes on in the mind of a byu fan.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 28, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    "Which speaks volumes about the level of competition the Utes face week in and week out..."

    lol at the spin

    The Utes lost to Utah State last season, a team BYU beat, and the Utes have lost to 10-loss Colorado, 10-loss UNLV, and every bottom dweller in the MWC in recent years and haven't beaten a PAC 10.2 team with a winning record.

    Increased "strength" of competition isn't your problem. The truth is, except for a couple of great seasons 2004 and 2008, the Utes have always been capable of losing to ANYBODY.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:06 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    Until Utah starts beating teams like Colorado EVERY time, using the better schedule argument for losing seasons and no bowls is nothing more than a cop out. All that you're doing by using that argument is proving the naysayers correct who said Utah wasn't good enough to compete in the PAC 12.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    @MyPerspective

    Spot on. And they boast about their records and stats vs non-competion and qualifying for lower tier bowls. Yet consistently lose their biggest game of the year against the so called "bottom dweller".

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    @UoU 1991

    Give us a couple of years.
    That was a big step up from MWC to the Pac12.
    While the tds took a step down to a Wac-ish schedule, maintained a winning regular season record and qualified for lower tier bowls.
    Yet still lose to our Mighty Utes every year.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:49 p.m.

    This pathetic excuse of playing a tough schedule is getting old. Step up and beat a PAC school with a winning record. It's pathetic. The only team Utah plays with any kind of passion is BYU. The fans, players and coaches show more emotion in that game than any other and yet they use the "tough schedule" excuse as some cop-out to excuse their pathetic record in the PAC. U haven't even had to play the 2 best teams in the PAC for the last 2 years. And please spare us the "week in week out" babble. You play Washington State and Colorado. As for BYU's schedule, according to College Football Schedules, BYU's schedule for 2012 was ranked stronger than Utah's. For crying out loud, BYU played a team that played in the NC. On the road.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 28, 2013 12:53 p.m.

    ekute,
    That's some kind of double standard you have going there. "Give us a couple of years", yet you don't even hesitate in your criticism of BYU's schedule when Holmoe said from the beginning that it would take a few years to get the schedule where they want it. He was right. Take a look at 2013. Not a single WAC team.

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:16 p.m.

    Cougars1, wow, you know who else doesn't play any WAC teams in 2013? EVERYBODY!

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:17 p.m.

    TheSportsAuthority, UoU 1991: Beating teams like Colorado every time? They've only played twice. You failed to note in your post that Utah beat Washington St both times they played. does that not meet the criteria you've put forward? All other teams Utah has played in the Pac-12 conference are split except for (USC, Washington, Arizona St). That's it...there are three teams in the elite Pac-12 conference against whom the Utes have not yet prevailed at least one time.

    Are you aware that TCU's win/loss ratio and national ranking fell markedly with their step up to the Big12?

    "Utes have always been capable of losing to ANYBODY." You probably haven't noticed but every team in the Pac-12 is capable of losing to any team in the Pac-12. Take a look at who beat Stanford last year and the scare they received from Washington St at home. Membership in the Pac-12 is is one wild and fantastic ride. Since participating in an elite conference is an experience byu will not have, you will just have to take our word for it.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:22 p.m.

    So your excuse for losing to Utah is that Utah gets up for the game?
    And that proofs(worf) that byu is better than Utah?

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 1:29 p.m.

    Gentlemen, we struck a nerve with Cougars1. Touchy subject for him.

    We all saw the schedule byu used to get to a bowl game last year and no, ND did not belong in the NC game but they made it and embarrassed themselves.

    So, Cougs1 one, when byu finally steps up and beats one of the worst teams in the elite Pac-12 you can talk. Until then...

    btw, Congratulations to Joe Kruger on a richly deserved opportunity in the NFL.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 28, 2013 3:11 p.m.

    StGtoSLC,

    Way to be the only one to get my point. I should have known you would be the one to catch that.

    Perspective,

    Your right.ND didn't belong in the NC, but neither did any team on Utah's schedule. BYU has beaten one of the worst teams in the PAC. In fact since Utah has joined the PAC, BYU has beaten WSU and Oregon State but that wasn't my point. Once again you have proven that BYU is on your mind more that any other PAC opponent that Utah plays. THAT was my point. Beat a school with a winning record in your own conference.

    I may sound like I hate Utah, but I pull for them every year. I want them to prove that the top "mid-major teams can play with the big boys. I hope this is the year that they show some adjustments have been made. Good luck Utes.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    This year's draft [UTAH 2 and byu 1]--Since 2005--

    UTAH--

    2012395Tony BergstromGOakland
    20115139Brandon BurtonDBMinnesota
    20116179Caleb SchlauderaffGGreen Bay
    2010240Koa MisiOLBMiami Dolphins
    2010245Zane BeadlesGDenver
    20105148Robert JohnsonDBTennessee
    20105156David ReedWRBaltimore
    20105166Stevenson SylvesterLBPittsburgh
    20107223R.J. StanfordCBCarolina
    2009257Paul KrugerDEBaltimore
    2009261Sean SmithDBMiami
    20096188Brice McCainDBHouston
    20097252Freddie BrownWRCincinnati
    2007237Eric WeddleSAFSan Diego
    20074108Paul SoliaiDTMiami
    20067245Spencer TooneLBTennessee
    20067246Quinton GantherRBTennessee
    200511Alex SmithQBSan Francisco
    2005388Sione PouhaDTNew York
    20056204Chris KemoeatuGPittsburgh
    20057225Paris WarrenWRTampa Bay
    20057233Jonathan FaneneDECincinnati

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 4:06 p.m.

    Con't--

    byu--

    20104114Dennis PittaTEBaltimore
    20094127Austin CollieWRIndianapolis
    20097215Fui VakapunaRBCincinnati
    20084123Bryan KehlOLBNew York
    2007240John BeckQBMiami
    20067218Todd WatkinsWRArizona
    20054125Brady PoppingaLBGreen Bay
    20055172Scott YoungGPhiladelphia
    20057228Shaun NuaDEPittsburgh

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 4:14 p.m.

    Brigham Young

    Texas Christian, Boise State, and Utah have been tearing it up over the last decade, but in 1984 Brigham Young did something none of those other "Little Big" teams have even gotten a legitimate shot at: they finished #1.

    Unfortunately, BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent. The only so-called "national champion" that didn't (though Oklahoma came very close in 1956).

    BYU's 1984 opponents went 61-85-3, placing their schedule 96th amongst 98 division 1A schools.

    And yet their performance was as weak as their schedule.

    They won five games by a touchdown or less, from a 20-14 win at 3-7-1 Pitt in their opener to a 24-17 win against 6-6 Michigan in the Holiday Bowl-- by far the worst bowl opponent ever faced by a so-called "national champion." How bad was Michigan? They finished 6th in the Big Ten, and the Big Ten was a horrid 12-15 against nonconference opponents and 1-5 in bowl games. The only conference in the country that was as bad as the Big 10 was the WAC itself.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 4:16 p.m.

    Cont'd--

    So how did BYU end up #1? Well, for one thing, BYU was greatly aided by the weekly upset chaos of 1984. Look at the teams in the top 20 and you see only one team with just 1 loss, and one other with a loss and tie. Everyone else had at least 2 losses. The 1-loss team, Washington, lost the Rose Bowl bid because Southern Cal beat them, so they were not viewed as a conference champion (though they were, sharing the title with USC). And the 9-1-1 team, Florida, was hit with probation in September for massive cheating, and no one wanted to reward a "cheater." So the timing was right.

    Of course, in 2007 a 2-loss LSU team was rated higher than an unbeaten Hawaii team that looked a lot like BYU '84, so in the end, what put BYU over the top in 1984 was a zeitgeist thing. Or maybe a mass psychosis thing. In any case, it had never happened before, and it has not happened since, even though there have been quite a few better "Little Big Teams" than BYU '84 before and since.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 4:45 p.m.

    AZUTE1:
    Exclude the 2005 draft and we have:

    Whittingham 19
    Mendenhall 7

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 28, 2013 5:38 p.m.

    Somebody help me.
    I don't understand the post by @alternate that's getting all the "Likes".
    I don't see the bullying part of it.
    As for the name calling, it happens on both sides of the aisle in a good natured sports fan kind of way. From my perspective more so on the "tds" side. i.e. sammyg.
    I'm being serious. An honest explanation will be appreciated. Thanks in advance.

  • rlsintx Plano, TX
    April 28, 2013 6:16 p.m.

    Here's hoping the fans from all the Utah schools are united in pulling for everyone's players who make it to the next level, regardless where they did college. Congrats to them all, and Best Wishes in fulfilling your dreams - we loved watching you play :)

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 28, 2013 6:55 p.m.

    @AZute

    Funny how you convieeeeeenently left out Free Agents.

    Since Bronco came to BYU....

    Utah has had 28 players sign Pro contracts...
    BYU has had 25.....

    Rutgers just had 7 players drafted..
    That equaled the number of draft choices for Michigan, Nebraska and Ohio State...Combined!

    Rutgers will never be in their class.
    And Utah will never attain BYU's accomplishments.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    April 28, 2013 6:57 p.m.

    @ rlsintx,

    "Here's hoping the fans from all the Utah schools are united in pulling for everyone's players who make it to the next level, regardless where they did college. Congrats to them all, and Best Wishes in fulfilling your dreams - we loved watching you play."

    I'm with you all the way on that. I'm sick and tired of the vicious name calling and the hate that is falsely described as good natured or harmless fun. Spare me please! I've read a lot of the venomous posts and and there's nothing good natured or fun about them. I guess I just need to take the good with the bad and live with it. It's so sad because it doesn't have to be.

    Go Cougars! And good luck to the Utes too and all the other Utah schools! You made us all proud.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 28, 2013 7:11 p.m.

    @ Cougars1

    What is College Football Schedules? According to Sagarin (a credible source):

    Utah's SOS 41, BYU's 63.

    Utah does play WSU and CU, but those two games are only 16 percent of the schedule. Unlike BYU who played Hawaii, Idaho, NMSU, Weber State, and Washington State; 41 percent of the schedule. See the difference?

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 28, 2013 9:36 p.m.

    2fer,

    "What is College Football Schedules? According to Sagarin (a credible source):"

    Just because Sagarin is the only one you know of doesn't mean that it is the ONLY "credible source"

    College Football Team SOS is in reality just as credible as Sagarin. But if you want to use Sagarin, then you have to accept their end of season rankings which are based several criteria including their sos rankings.

    BYU-26
    Utah-61

    You can cherry pick the schedule all you want, but the reality is that BYU played more teams that were ranked at the end of the season than Utah. What is really funny is that if you take the BYU game of of Utah's schedule their ranking and sos decreases. It was your best win of the season. If BYU wins the game, it's not their best win of the season.

    College Football Scedules SOS:
    BYU-48
    Utah-82

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 28, 2013 9:38 p.m.

    @no perspective

    "That's it...there are three teams in the elite Pac-12 conference against whom the Utes have not yet prevailed at least one time."

    False. They haven't beaten 5 of the teams in the pac12 since joining the conference. I'm sure you wanted us to forget that utah didn't even play the 2 best teams in the pac12 the 1st 2 years. In otherwords utah has only beaten 6 teams in the pac12, has split with 5 of those, has not even played the two best teams, and has only beaten one of the teams twice.

    Your spin was a giant fail.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    @ bluto--

    Which accomplishments do you speak of? Mythical era deeds three decades ago, or the 6-5 bowl game record during this current BCS Era, zero undefeated seasons, zero BCS Bowl Games/Victories, zero Top-4/-2 finishes, annually playing against a cupcake SOS, rarely ever beating a good team and having one player actually drafted in the past three years? Or setting new records for the largest 2-Star recruiting haul in history? How about being straight owned by your rival, annually?

    Do this, list the number of players from both schools, respectively, which actually make NFL rosters and earn serious NFL playing time? Furthermore, how many active players on NFL rosters currently/school?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 28, 2013 9:57 p.m.

    Just browsed a handful of other sources ranking 2012 SOS and each and every one ranks UTAH's as having been stronger, hands-down.

    @ c1--Talk about Cherry-Picking....You have the rest of us clearly beat in this department.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 28, 2013 10:05 p.m.

    ikute

    "Somebody help me. I don't understand..." !!!"

    Let me help you.

    Your obsession about me and blindness to the hatred discussed in alternate's post kind of go hand in hand.

    I 'liked' the post.

    Hope that helps.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 28, 2013 11:40 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    "BYU '84 differs from those other teams in another way too: they did not play a single ranked opponent."

    Since there was only a Top 20 in 1984, Air Force wasn't "ranked", but the Falcons did finish #24 in the final AP poll, higher than Utah's only ranked opponent in 2004, #25 Pittsburgh.

    And, BYU finished 1984 on a 24-game winning streak, which also included road wins over #13/#15 Air Force, and #17/#13 UCLA in 1983, and back-to-back Top 7 finishes.

    More importantly, BYU earned the respect of a consensus all five major National Champion selecting organizations.

    btw, excluding BYU's final regular season opponent, Utah State(1-10), which did absolutely nothing to improve BYU's ranking, the overall record for BYU's 1984 regular season opponents was better than Utah's 2004 regular season opponents.

    BYU 54-69-3
    Utah 53-72

    And, BYU played FOUR teams with winning records - Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4) and @Utah(6-5-1). Utah only played THREE - Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5) and @Wyoming(7-5).

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 28, 2013 11:49 p.m.

    AZUTE1

    If team A plays #60 and #61, and team B plays #1 and #120, which team has the better chance of finishing 2-0?

    BYU played FIVE Top 25 teams in 2012, and finished 8-5; Utah only played TWO Top 25 teams and finished 5-7.

    There-in lies your answer why BYU finished #26 in Sagarin and Utah only finished #61.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 12:32 a.m.

    Actually, since there were only 20-teams ranked in 1984, AF finished the season unranked....byu didn't play UCLA in 1984.

    "btw, excluding BYU's final regular season opponent, Utah State(1-10), which did absolutely nothing to improve BYU's ranking, the overall record for BYU's 1984 regular season opponents was better than Utah's 2004 regular season opponents."

    61-85-3, placing their SOS ranked 96th out of 98 total teams ranked.

    "Exclude"? Say what?

    UTAH 2004 destroyed virtually every opponent faced, whereas byu 1984 struggled to beat their bottom-feeder opponents playing against the nation's 3rd weakest SOS.

    "And, BYU played FOUR teams with winning records - Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4) and @Utah(6-5-1). Utah only played THREE - Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5) and @Wyoming(7-5)."

    Huh? Your point? Relevance? Clearly Apples-to-Oranges and 100% irrelevant. See above regarding UTAH's 2004 results vs byu's 1984 results.

    Why you've even mentioned UTAH 2004, in the first place, is 100% mystifying? Huh?

    If you must, why not UTAH 2008, instead? Fact is, neither UTAH team was mythically/erroneously/arbitrarily awarded anything. Both were significantly superior to byu 1984.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 1:02 a.m.

    "And, BYU played FOUR teams with winning records - Tulsa(6-5), @Hawaii(7-4), @Air Force(8-4) and @Utah(6-5-1). Utah only played THREE - Texas A&M(7-5), @New Mexico(7-5) and @Wyoming(7-5)."

    Actually, PITT 2004 finished 8-4, which makes it FOUR teams UTAH beat finishing the season w/a winning record.

    Michigan 1984 finished their season at .500, by comparison, yet byu struggled mightily to beat Michigan, not unlike their epic struggle against PITT 1984, which finished the season at 3-7-1, bowl-less and unranked, finishing the season unranked not unlike, literally, every other opponent byu 1984 faced.

    Again, 3rd weakest SOS. Some things never change, huh? Mythical/Arbitrary. Were PITT not so utterly overrated, pre-season, byu doesn't jump from unranked to just outside the Top-10, following Week 1.

    2 weeks after byu barely beat PITT, 20-14, OU hit town and administered an epic whooping on PITT on the same, exact field, 42-10.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:14 a.m.

    AZUTE,

    "Just browsed a handful of other sources ranking 2012 SOS and each and every one ranks UTAH's as having been stronger, hands-down."

    Feel free to list the handful. It's very hard to respond to your response when I don't know what you are referring to. I believe you, I just need to know in order to respond.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:42 a.m.

    AZUTE,

    Here is the reason I ask for your "handful of sources".

    Upon close review of Sagarin's rankings we find out that Utah has a rating of 72.91 and BYU has a rating of 69.48. To say that Utah's sos "ranking" is 41 compared to BYU's 63 doesn't do anything to explain how close the 2 schedules really are in strength. There is a difference of 3.43 in the rating. That's pretty close to the difference between the number 1 sos rank and the number 4 sos rank.

    Which brings us to the whole point of bringing up another sos ranking. There is not much difference in the strength of Utah's 2012 sos and BYU's 2012 sos.

    This in no way should take away from the fact that Utah was better than BYU by the simple fact that they won the game in 2012 between the 2 teams. As I said earlier, I hope Utah represents better in the PAC in 2013. Good luck to your Utes. No disrespect intended.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 2:04 a.m.

    @ Cougars1

    Sagarin is by far the most credible source when it comes to ranking schedules. There is a reason his computers are used in the BCS rankings and by the NCAA selection committee.

    I fully accept Utah's end of season ranking. Utah did not execute on the field and missed a bowl. I think 61 sounds about right. Also I realize that BYU played more ranked teams. What you are ignoring is that BYU played four teams that finished ranked well above 150 (out of 120 FBS teams). That is horrible. It's like having a whole month off in the middle of the season to get players healthy and prepare for the more talented teams on the schedule. Utah's week in, week out grind was much tougher than BYU's, and I honestly don't understand how that can be disputed.

    One last point that I want to make is that rankings don't necessarily determine which team is better, but rather which team had the better season. Those two things are often related, but they are not the same thing.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 7:16 a.m.

    Duckhunter: Wrong. What I said was..."All other teams Utah has played in the Pac-12 conference are split execpt for (USC, Washington, Arizona St). That's it...there are three teams in the elite Pac-12 conference against whom the Utes have not yet prevailed at least one time"

    The Utes cannot beat or lose to a team they have not yet played. Your attempt to discredit my post by taking it out of context is deceitful and manipulative.

    Duckhunter commenting on Star being grounded: "As for the subject of the article I can really relate to it. It took me getting married and having a family to give focus to my life." So, Duckhunter, is foucs the same as being responsible and accountable?

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 7:39 a.m.

    @ c1--

    Search 2012 fbs final sos rankings and go through them all. A good starting point would be with fbsched.

    My fellow UTE above hit it on the head. Say what you will about CU, but they possess BCS Talent and play one of the nation's toughest schedules, annually. They've just simply been poorly coached is all. I bring them up because by season's end, they'd been through the gauntlet and would've easily dispatched of the cupcakes byu played against. And CU was merely 1 game at season's end. byu had 4 non bye-weeks off with Weber State, Hawaii, Idaho and culminating with NMSU.

    Attempt to point to comparable weeks off in UTAH's schedule? And I challenge you to be straight about it, without resorting to Spin.

    BTW--byu also played against WAZZU, too.

  • Bluto Sandy, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    At AZUte

    BYU has a Consensus National Championship (Football).
    Your 30 year old endless tantrum, notwithstanding.
    Deal with it.

    Voted #1 by every NCAA sanctioned poll in 1984.

    -AP
    -Coaches
    -NFF
    -FWAA

    And 7 others...

    24 straight wins.
    16 of those players became Pros.

    BYU has 8-10 Top 25 programs every year.
    How bout U?

    The trophies are secure, and BYU Athletics continue to produce All-Americans at a clip 5 times that of Utah.

    BYU has a Legacy Hall.....Utah has a Closet.

    -23 Conference Championships in the modern era.
    -18 Top 25 finishes.
    -7 Hall of Famers
    -Legendary Hall of Fame Coach...who stayed.
    -16 Consensus All-Americans
    -60+ All-Americans
    -Super Bowl and NFL MVP's
    -23 National Award Winners (Heisman, Outlands, Davey O'Brians, Sammy Baughs, Doak Walker etc)

    Ziggy was the talk of the draft.
    Pitta is a star on the Super Bowl Champion Ravens.
    UtahWho?

    Your "False Bravado" has been exposed.
    BYU's Legacy and National Brand well are established...
    Utah can only dream.....

    Legacy Programs are developed over Generations, and not by having 6 good years in 50.

    When Utah matches what BYU has accomplished, then you can boast, until the, strive for .500.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    "There-in lies your answer why BYU finished #26 in Sagarin and Utah only finished #61."

    It's obviously not getting through. byu opened against 2 cupcakes at home, then played UTAH/BSU, then had their 3rd week off in the first 5 weeks of the season at home against Hawaii, then played usu/OSU/nd, 2 of which UTAH also played against, too [although UTAH played both on the road, while bywho got them both at home]. Then a GT team from the weak acc which finished the reg seas with a losing record, then yet 2 more weeks off in prep for SJSU, with an actual bye-week followed by Idaho at home. Following SJSU, byu concluded their regular season w/their 7th week off against NMSU.

    Not even remotely the week in, week out grind UTAH faced and against virtually all BCS Level Talent, to boot. usu, byu, ASU, USC [which was given the identical bye-week as we were given], UCLA, OSU and CAL. Then WAZZU followed by UW/ua, before concluding our season at CU.

  • TrueBlue Orem, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:42 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Despite your frantic and emotional attempt to spin away Utah's dismal 2012 record because of some vast disparity in SOS, the final rankings say otherwise.

    A College Football Ranking Comparison of 124 rankings of all 124 FBS teams compiled by Massey on Monday, January 7, 2013 shows the following rankings for BYU and Utah:

    BYU(8-5) Sagarin 26, Massey 26, average 34, high 7, low 60
    Utah(5-7) Sagarin 61, Massey 65, average 67, high 36, low 87

    Quite obviously, the only "experts" who think that Utah was even close to, let alone better than, BYU in 2012 are those living in their own little crimson bubble on the hill.

    btw, according to Sagarin, BYU(63) had almost the same SOS as Ohio St(60), which accounts for Ohio St only being ranked #13, despite their 12-0 record.

    Someday you'll realize that you actually have to WIN in order for a "better schedule" to mean something.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:50 a.m.

    The problem, Bluto, is that all of the accomplishments you cite were achieved over a span of 15 years last century. The game was different and byu was on the cutting edge of those changes. Since then, college football has passed byu by. The BCS has come and almost gone and byu has not even sniffed at the prize that made Utah, TCU, and BSU relevant. Further, we are headed into a playoff format and byu has no identity or relevant associations in independence land.

    Again, I want to offer a huge congratulations to Mr. Kruger. He will be missed in the Utah defense for sure but it is great to have a great talent and strong character represent the Utah program at the next level.

  • Swoop Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 8:55 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    Congratulations on having the 41st toughest SOS in the country. Do you get some sort of trophy for that?

    BYU, with the lowly 63rd toughest schedule will just have to settle for having a better record, a higher ranking, and another bowl win in their string of 8 straight bowl appearances, BYU's second longest such string.

  • anti BCS Anaheim, CA
    April 29, 2013 9:06 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    Yet, with all your spin, BYU remains a perennial Top 25 program, while even in their heyday, the Utes still couldn't keep pace with BYU in Top 25 finishes.

    Top 25 Finishes by Decade
    1960's BYU 0, Utah 1
    1970's BYU 2, Utah 0
    1980's BYU 6, Utah 0
    1990's BYU 4, Utah 1
    2000's BYU 5, Utah 4
    2010's BYU 1, Utah 1

    Total AP/Coaches
    BYU 18, Utah 7

    Total AP
    BYU 17, Utah 5

    Total Bronco/Kyle era
    BYU 5, Utah 3

    You're only fooling yourself if you think that Utah has any better chance of making the playoffs than BYU.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 29, 2013 9:36 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    AP/Coaches Rankings

    BYU(18)
    2011 ur/#25
    2009 #12/#12
    2008 #25/#21
    2007 #14/#15
    2006 #16/#15
    2001 #25/#24
    1996 #5/#5
    1994 #18/#10
    1991 #23/#23
    1990 #22/#17
    1989 #22/#18
    1985 #16/#17
    1984 #1/#1
    1983 #7/#7
    1981 #13/#11
    1980 #12/#11
    1979 #13/#12
    1977 #20/#16

    Utah(7)
    2010 ur/#23
    2009 #18/#18
    2008 #2/#4
    2004 #4/#5
    2003 #21/#21
    1994 #10/#8
    1964 ur/#14

    Sorry to burst your Utah "relevancy" bubble, but during the "bcs era", BYU has as many AP Top 25 finishes, as Utah has in its entire college football history.

    AP Top 25 Finishes
    BYU 5
    Utah 4

    AP Top 15 Finishes
    BYU 3
    Utah 2

    Utah had a couple of great seasons in 2004 and 2008, and little else.

    Since 2008, the Utes have been in steady decline, to the point that you're not even good enough to qualify for a bowl anymore, let alone be "relevant".

  • Y's little brother Sandy, UT
    April 29, 2013 9:54 a.m.

    I see that the kids on the hill are once again trying to rewrite history to suit their own distorted view of reality. Unfortunately for them, despite their spin, the record is already cast in stone and here's what it shows:

    Comparing BYU and Utah during the Independence/PAC 12 era

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

    BYU was the only team ranked in 2011
    BYU was the only team to beat a ranked opponent in 2012
    BYU gets the trophy for having better records and higher rankings
    Utah gets the trophy for having better SOS

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 29, 2013 9:56 a.m.

    anti BCS, phoenix: Thank you both for your insightful responses. The bottom line here is that byu accomplished nothing in the BCS era to establish itself as a program capable of playing at the next level. It is no coincidence that Utah, TCU, and BSU are the three mid-majors invited to move up (BSU of course moved then returned).

    Further, even ND recognizes that, at a minimum, a quasi conference relationship is necessary to be successful in the upcoming playoff format.

    Best of luck to BYU this year and in the years to come.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 29, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    MyPerspective

    The bottom line here is that despite your over-inflated opinion of Utah football, the Utes end the bcs era no more relevant than they were at the start of the bcs era. Welcome to the world of big boy conference bottom dwellers that don't even sniff Top 25 rankings and spend their holidays watching other teams playing in bowl games.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 10:36 a.m.

    I have to say one thing because it always bugs me. Utah fans often "frantically and emotionally" state BYU is not wanted or was rejected by the big leagues. Chip brown who was probably closest to the big 12 expansion talks stated: " BYU was a serious candidate for expansion until last September, when OU destabilized the Big 12 when it tried to go to the Pac12. At that point, BYU officials were turned off by the instability and backed away, saying it cherished its independence...BYU turned away from the Big 12 first. So that was a downfall." The big 12 obviously wanted BYU but during the instability of 2011 BYU wasn't so sure about them. So please stop acting like no one ever wanted BYU and they were rejected. The big 12 came to BYU not the other way around so I don't see how BYU could have possibly been rejected when they never asked to join. There's also this idea that the PAC 12 somehow believed Utah to be superior to BYU. Not at all...from a business standpoint BYU was worth more, but Utah fit the PAC 10 profile. Had nothing to do with Utah > BYU.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Concerning SOS I think going to the BCS rankings themselves (which include SOS) is the most accurate way to evaluate it. Utah's avg final BCS ranking for their opponents was 47.63, while BYUs was 55.16. While BYU played two outlier programs in Idaho and NMSU, they also played many more higher ranked, top 25 opponents. This is a close SOS in terms of the only rankings that have mattered, and shows that Utah's schedule isn't as superior as they would like people to think. If you go by AP final rankings BYU had 5 opponents finish in the top 25 while Utah had only 2. I also love how Utah fans try and elevate Colorado by saying their 1-11 record is somehow a function of their "tough" schedule. They lost to "little brothers" Colorado St and Sacremento St. They stunk even against poor competition. The good news is Utah plays Oregon and Stanford this year. The bad news is that's likely 2 more losses on their already mediocre conference record. Also bad news that BYUs SOS will also be better with their weakest opponent according to BCS rank is Houston (91). Both teams again play one FCS.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 11:08 a.m.

    Sammy...Your frantic and emotional name calling betrays you. It's obvious that you can't handle the truth that Utah is good to go in the Pac12 and haters are beside themselves stressing about the future of the tds as an independent.

    Good Luck to Joe in the NFL. Plenty of size and talent stepping up to replace him on the Ute squad...thanks to the advantages of recruiting as a member of a major conference. Go Utes.

  • mussingaround Palo Alto, CA
    April 29, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    ekute

    Talk about frantic and emotional... what exactly has Utah accomplished in any PAC 12 sport that give credence to your claim that Utah is "good to go" in the PAC 12?

    Frankly, the only thing you've proven so far is that you're incapable of beating a PAC 12 football team with a winning record.

    At least, as an Independent, BYU has finished in the Top 25 and has won two bowl games, which is far more than the Utes have accomplished as a PAC 12 member.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 11:34 a.m.

    @ekute
    There has been some advantage in recruiting for Utah but not enough to beat the better half of the PAC 12. Utah won't out recruit the California schools or Washington and Oregon, nor ASU the majority of the time. That spells mid to lower teir PAC 12 for the foreseeable future. Even as a BYU fan, I actually don't want that for Utah. I would like to see any Utah school do well and cheer for the others when they aren't playing the Cougs. But it is what it is, it's reality for Utah unfortunately. That would most likely be the case for BYU also if they were in the big 12. Hard to out recruit Texas and Oklahoma. Good luck to the utes and aggies this year.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 11:41 a.m.

    @mypersoective
    If U recall BYU was asked to "move up" to the big east with BSU (actually begged would be more accurate than asked). They backed out which is looking smarter every passing month.

  • shorts Payson, UT
    April 29, 2013 12:36 p.m.

    He should of come back for his last year.

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    April 29, 2013 12:38 p.m.

    It's actually quite surreal how the core of the byu-fanbase has reacted to the mounting losses against UTAH, being so utterly/thoroughly dominated by us UTES. In a vain attempt to "cope", they've gone into this bizarre, crazed state of desperation and grasping at whatever blatant Spin they can think of, regurgitated endlessly, or otherwise. And to think they truly believe they're in fact fooling anybody whatsoever outside of their very own Bubble down there in utah county where they're annually playing against the [Formerly] WAC's worst in order just to be able to qualify for entry into a low-tier bowl game, since they can rarely ever actually beat a good team [during this current BCS Era, both schools have reached 11 bowl games each, but UTAH's 10-1 while byu has struggled to stay above .500 at 6-5], is, alone, truly remarkable to behold and it's, literally, to the point where I just simply sit back, with popcorn in-hand, mind you, and watch this spectacle unfold with the utmost glee humanly attainable. Honestly, I wouldn't trade this chicken with its head cut-off reaction by these people for anything else in the World.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 12:56 p.m.

    @AZUTE1

    LOL...Love it...High Five...Fist Bump...Chest Bump...etc.

    Go Utes.

  • TheSportsAuthority Arlington, VA
    April 29, 2013 12:57 p.m.

    What's really surreal is the absolute denial of reality happening on the hill as the losses continue to mount and Utah's steady decline from high water mark to mediocrity to train wreck continues.

    As has already been posted, it's clear that BYU continues to outperform their little brothers on the hill.

    2011 #25/#26/#34 BYU(10-3) > unranked/#39 Utah(8-5)
    2012 unranked/#26 BYU(8-5) bowl winner > unranked/#61 Utah(5-7) bowl no show

    A couple of lucky head-to-head wins in the last three years is the only thing U have left to cling to.

    That and a growing list of excuses for a return to losing seasons and no bowl games.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 1:39 p.m.

    AZUTE1 is exactly right.

    As Ute fans we're delighted with our Pac12 membership and comfortable with the results of the last to years. Our expectations are starting to rise as the rewards and advantages of our inclusion begin to come to fruition.

    The repetitive, incessant and feeble attempts of the haters trying to beat it into our heads that the last 2 years has been a failure betrays their insecurities about the direction of their own team.

    "A couple of lucky head-to-head wins in the last three years"
    You must face the truth...It's been the last 20 years, since before Lavelle left.
    And the sad, awful truth for the tds is...He's not coming back.

    Go Utes

  • LOTR Baltimore, MD
    April 29, 2013 4:32 p.m.

    "Our expectations are starting to rise as the rewards and advantages of our inclusion begin to come to fruition."

    Rewards and advantages like having more time to spend with family and friends during the holidays without the distraction of having to play in a bowl.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 4:49 p.m.

    @ AZUTE
    It's the players and coaches of both schools that probably get the biggest kick out if the fans in this rivalry on both sides. Having talked to and had some friendships with players from both sides, the answer to how they feel about the BYU Utah rivalry is always the same. "It's another game. It's the fans that get all wrapped up in it". It's also interesting how U paint the BYU fans as being in a "bizarre, crazed state" and "grasping blatant spin" when I've seen ute fans a plenty on here meeting that description. I agree it is entertaining, though. It's why this rivalry will hopefully never die. I'm just hoping BYU can finally beat Utah before the teams don't play each other again for awhile. As U said we have struggled and been beaten by the utes far too much recently (it's like the BoSox curse or something lol). CFB can't get here soon enough...good luck to all the teams in the state of Utah, including Southern Utah (congrats Brad Sorenson on being drafted).

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 4:58 p.m.

    With a respectable schedule for the tds this year, it will be their fans that have to face reality and find "more time to spend with family and friends during the holidays without the distraction of having to play in a bowl." As it should be, or the might enjoy watching the Utes play in the Kraft Fight Hunger Bowl vs a Big 12 team.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    @ekute
    I have to be honest, if you're satisfied with the results of the last couple years you are definitely in the minority of Utah fans I know. What are u going to do when the utes are 5-7 again and you're watching home alone reruns instead of ute football in December? This is Utah's yr of reckoning. First yr struggles in a new league are expected, the second yr you figure to get better, by the third year you're expecting to turn the corner. I don't think too many Utah fans will be satisfied with a 5-7 record again, and there's a strong possibility of that happening with the two best teams in the PAC12 being on the schedule. I'll be here to talk u off the ledge in December ek, because regardless of your allegiance u seem like a nice guy.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 5:32 p.m.

    @Cougsndawgs

    The same holds true for your team. After 2 years out on your own, playing a nothing to brag about Wac-ish schedule and qualifying for lower team bowls, your now facing a respectable schedule. I said we're comfortable with the results of the last 2 years, nothing about being satisfied with the same or less in the future. The time has come to pay the rent for both sides. Let's hope for the best so we don't have to hold hands and jump off the ledge together. Back and forth trash talking between 2 losers would not be fun. But in the long run, if worst comes to worst...We'll still have the Pac12 to hold over your heads. Go Utes.

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 29, 2013 5:51 p.m.

    ekute

    Utah fans are big on "predictions" based on nothing but their own wishful thinking.

    After two years in the PAC 12, the Utes are a paltry 7-11 in conference, win two losing conference finishes and one losing season, and U haven't even played two of the best teams in the conference, yet.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 29, 2013 6:05 p.m.

    ekute,

    This is one Cougar fan who will be pulling for your Utes to have a breakout year in the PAC...regardless of what you may wish upon my Cougars. Good luck.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 6:09 p.m.

    You know, I meant lower-tier bowls, dang keyboard. Some my say I got a little to frantic and emotional. lol. Go Utes.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 29, 2013 6:21 p.m.

    Agreed Ekute, it's a yr if reckoning for both schools. As far as being in the PAC12 it really doesn't mean anything if u do nothing with it. Vanderbilt, Iowa st, and northwestern can't really hold big conference over anyone's head because they aren't respected football programs in those conferences. Hopefully the utes can reach a point of more respectability, but it's going to take more than just being in the PAC 12. Lol...ya jumping off because we're both losers would suck all the way around. Cheers

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 29, 2013 7:17 p.m.

    The back and forth is starting to get old and we just keep going around and around and back to the same. I think I'll give it a rest for a while.

    Apparently, some see me as a bully and politically incorrect. I sincerely apologize to them.
    I maintain that commenting under sports articles is fun and not to be taken personal. Regards from a passionate Ute fan. See you guys this fall. Go Utes.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 30, 2013 1:34 p.m.

    Cougsndawgs:

    "If U recall BYU was asked to 'move up' to the big east with BSU (actually begged would be more accurate than asked)."

    If YOU recall, the Big [L]East asked Boise State to move up. Your "invitation" only came because BSU agreed to join only if they could have a travel partner, the suggested Utah's little brother. So essentially, it was BSU -- not the Big [L]East -- that wanted you in that conference. BSU seemed just as content with SDSU as a travel partner instead.

    Also, if you recall, at the time the Big [L]East extended an invitation to BSU, they were a crumbling conference expecting defections from Syracuse, Pitt, and West Virginia, and with Louisville, Cincinnati, and UConn actively posturing to join the Big 12 and/or the ACC. The Big [L]East was becoming a glorified C-USA. Very mid-majorey.

    Ultimately, once all the dust had settled, the very conference that decided to allow you to ride in on BSU's coattails had also invited schools like ECU, Memphis, and Tulane. THAT's the company YOU keep...at least when you're not lining up opposite Middle Tennessee St. anyway.

  • Marked it Down Park City, UT
    April 30, 2013 4:38 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    Once again, you've allowed your BYU-hatred to cloud your understanding of the actual sequence of events.

    BYU was in discussions about joining the Big East long before Boise State entered the picture, but the Big East wasn't willing to let BYU retain television rights to BYU home games and BYU, after their experience with the MWC, wasn't willing to give up those rights for uncertain promises in a new, yet to be negotiated, Big East television contract.

    During a year when teams across the country were panicking to join a major conference, BYU maintained its composure and made the correct decision not to get sucked into a splintering "bcs" conference.

    Boise State and SDSU finally came to the same conclusion and, in the process, ended up wasting a lot of money paying exit fees to a conference in which they never played a single game.

  • MyPerspective Salt Lake City, UT
    April 30, 2013 5:09 p.m.

    Marked it Down: Naval has it right. The events you cite occurred after BSU greased the skids for byu. Make no mistake about it, byu did the right thing in turning down the invite to the Big East but honestly, it was kind of a no brainer by the time byu entered the picture. The defections to the ACC and Big 12 were written all over the wall. The Big12 clearly knew who they wanted.

  • Cougsndawgs West Point , UT
    April 30, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    Marked it down is also right. BYU was approached by the big least before BSU. Reports were that as of march the big least was still begging BYU.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 30, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    MyPerspective

    "Naval has it right. The events you cite occurred after BSU greased the skids for BYU."

    Sorry, but you're both wrong! BSU may have wanted BYU in the conference as a travel partner, but Boise State had absolutely NOTHING to do with "greasing the skids" for BYU.

    Big East Commissioner John Marinatto had been talking to BYU about joining the league for weeks prior to negotiations stalling over television rights in late November 2011, long before BSU agreed to join the Big East. In fact, talk of BYU being a serious candidate for Big East membership began as early as May 2011, months before discussions with BSU began.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 30, 2013 7:07 p.m.

    @uteanymous

    It's interesting that you, a BYU "fan (as duckhunter/sammy) would say, pay homage to your rival with your choice of a pseudonym.

    Anyway, back to the real issue. In this article on the Utes' Joe Kruger, there have been many byu "fans" who have posted, trying somehow to say how superior their program is. But in true competition, the only way to settle this is on the field. And what are the results both recently and long-term? Well, Utah has won 3 in a row, 4 of the last 5 ( it took all senior Max Hall could muster to lead byu from behind to win by 3 over a freshman AT HOME.). Utah has also won 8 of 11, and overall 56-34-4.

    I really don't know what the issue is here. Utah has dominated, is dominating, and forever will dominate their rivals from Provo.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 30, 2013 7:35 p.m.

    Sorry gored, you misread the tea leaves - Utah alum, BYU fan.

    As for superiority:

    Long term success for Utah means absolutely nothing. The vast majority of Utah's 56-34-4 head-to-head was compiled from 1922 to 1963 when Utah did absolutely NOTHING on a national scale. If being an extremely mediocre team beating up on even more mediocre teams helps you sleep at night, knock yourself out.

    Recent success for Utah means a little more, but head-to-head by itself doesn't mean much if your overall success is lacking, which clearly, it is.

    Bottom line, during the current coaching era, Bronco has more conference championships, more Top 25 finishes, more Top 15 finishes, more winning seasons, more bowls, and a better overall record than Kyle.

    As far as your deluded head-to-head "domination" theory, 13 of the last 16 head-to-head games have been decided by a touchdown or less in the closing minutes or in overtime, including 2 of the Utah's 3 recent wins.

    For true head-to-head domination, see 1972 to 1991, 18 of 20, including 27-0, 56-6 and 56-28 back-to-back-to-back.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    April 30, 2013 8:26 p.m.

    @Uteanymous

    You ought to be a disk jockey. That's the best spin I've ever heard. lol.

    Go Utes.

  • GoRed WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 30, 2013 8:34 p.m.

    @uteanymous

    You pretend to be a Utah alum and a converted byu fan as though we true Ute fans should somehow feel ashamed of our school. I'm not sure if you truly are a Utah alum, why you'd start rooting for your rivals, but I guess that is a topic for a different discussion.

    Anyway, weak attempt on your part to diminish Utah's domination over your adopted team. You call my claims "deluded", then conveniently omit 3 dominating victories Utah has had over the past 9 years, which are as follows: 52-21, 48-24, and, oh yeah, 54-10 in Provo.

    You point out byu's success over Utah during 1972-1991 (what about the previous 4 years prior to 1972?) Or the previous 10, 20 30, even 50 years prior to that?? There was a time when Utah owned byu to the tune of 39-5, according to byu records that does not acknowledge the first 6 games of the rivalry. Yes, that's domination.

    So is the current 3 in a row, 4 out of 5, 8 out of 11, and overall 56-34-4, as I said in my previous post.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 30, 2013 9:29 p.m.

    gored

    I was a BYU fan loooong before I was a Utah grad. My father and father-in-law, and many of my uncles, aunts and cousins are also Utah grads, so I've always rooted for Utah, as long as Utah winning didn't adversely affect BYU.

    As far as dominance, IF Utah had actually accomplished something of consequence, Utah's head-to-head record versus BYU would be meaningful.

    Unfortunately for Utah, BYU's accomplishments since 1964 dwarf anything Utah has accomplished on a national scale during Utah's entire history.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 30, 2013 9:35 p.m.

    ikute... you're a funny guy

    7:17 p.m. April 29, 2013
    "I think I'll give it a rest for a while... See you guys this fall!"

    25 hours and 9 minutes later at 8:26 p.m. April 30, 2013

    Welcome back! LOL

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    April 30, 2013 10:57 p.m.

    Sammy-"25 hours and 9 minutes later at 8:26 p.m. April 30, 2013

    Welcome back! LOL"

    -Yes, we football fans can try to wait until fall, but 25 hours is a valiant effort.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 30, 2013 11:30 p.m.

    It is very apparent that football season can't get here soon enough.

  • ekute Layton, UT
    May 1, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    I think worf would agree, "Resistance Is Futile".

  • PP Eagle Mountain, UT
    May 2, 2013 5:21 p.m.

    I think the relevant point that everyone here missed is that he left college a year early to be a 7th round draft pick. Good move. That does not bode well for a long NFL career, but it does hurt the utes a lot. LOL