Meanwhile, a committed gay couple who wants to legalize their union is a threat
to the "sanctity of marriage."What sanctity?
Stand-up guy. I wonder whether she agreed to marry him because she's
actually on his side or because he threatened her with something worse than what
she's already experienced.
Hurray for "traditional marriage"!
Life is the most important thing. I try to look in the crystal ball and see what
the future will be. All i see in this case is a lot of pain. for her and
children. The gay thing that KJB1 brought up, I see no future, no life after
life to keep live alive.
Did I miss where he's from? I wonder who married them? Where were they
If they are now married, I guess they will now need new housing. The new
husband will not be allowed to live in approved BYU housing with a bunch of
other girls. Hopefully, this girl will understand what abuse is before she
starts cranking out babies.
This goes to show that in this country, visas, student visas, and citizenship
are handed out far, far too frequently, easily and indiscriminately to persons
who in one way or another disrespect this nation and its customs and thus should
never be allowed on U.S. soil. Yes he is here on a student visa, according to
another article.According to his defense attorney, he has "a
supportive family in the area and a steady job" -- meaning, he also has been
working here illegally, since persons here on student visas are not allowed to
work here and take an American's job in the process.Fortunately
the victim survived defense counsel's numerous, shameless efforts to
counter law enforcement's efforts to protect this woman's safety.
Will you stop with the gay thing. It's completely irrelevant.
I generally do not approve of parents/in-laws meddling in the marriage of their
children. However, in this case someone needs to talk some sense into this young
woman. Thinking about it, somewhere this young woman has learned to accept,
tolerate, or maybe even enable an abuser. The cycle of abuse continues until
someone becomes strong enough to break it.To the young woman: you
are are a daughter of God, you deserve to be treated accordingly.To the
young man: You are a son of God, do what is right.
KJB1 seems to be saying that since there are already people who threaten all
that is good about marriage by engaging in sham marriages, there is nothing
sacred to protect. That's not true. There is sanctity in marriage, and it
does need to be defended--especially from shams like this one.
She really needs help. Even if she manages to break away from his abuse, she
will just fall into another trap.
I'm to tired to re-read this story and try to figure it out.Nothing about this story makes sense to me. Man, people are different
This isn't traditional marriage. So that arguement is over.This
is a case of an abusive boyfriend, with a girl that has been abused and either
fears for her life, is brainwashed or is really dumb enough to go with this guy.
That part still needs to be sorted out.Either way, it does raise a
question if this guy is here legally or not.
Don Bugg - I don't believe that is what KJB1 is saying. The
tongue-in-cheek aside, I believe KJB1 is pointing out the fact that any one
single marriage does not affect another marriage. For example, the fact that
this guy is apparently engaging in a sham marriage has no affect whatsoever on
my relationship with my wife. It doesn't matter how flippant marriage is
to someone else, it is sacred to my wife and I and that is all that matters. Along that same line, two loving, committed men who want to get married
is totally fine by me and I applaud them for finding someone with whom they want
to spend their life. It has zero affect on my Temple marriage because nothing
could change how I feel about my wife, especially someone else's actions.
Why do opponents of SSM give complete strangers such "control" over
their personal relationships?
@anti-liar - there is absolutely no way that immigration laws can filter out
anyone who may later act inappropriately.
Johnny: Ya, I agree just like the Boston bombers who we were warned about and
the FBI interviewed and decided they were good kids!Stalwart: So what are
you going to do when they go after the Church to be married in the Temple? New
Zealand has approved gay marriage and the churches have been told they must
marry them. This is not really on the topic, however.Was this
girl "brainwashed" like the girl who married the "Boston
bomber?" Isn't it about time women stood up to these abusers and yes,
they both are/were abusers?Are you saying he was a student at BYU?
This guy assaults a girl to the extent she wants him prosecuted, he then
convinces her to marry him. He is a super salesman. If he would change his ways
and fly right, no doubt he has a good future ahead of him.
Pass on this guy, young lady, and let him do some hard time. In the meantime,
get ahold of yourself and think through things a bit. This guy doesn't own
you (wasn't it your right to date someone else???) so why do you think that
marrying him is the answer? He must have threatened you. He's a poor
choice of a husband and just after he goes to jail, I'd have it annulned.
Then find a new life, one you deserve.
I'm sorry, Ms. Morgan. This level of detail is not needed in a public
newspaper. You can properly describe a court hearing, court documents, without
quoting such inflmatory detail. "When she refused to hand over her phone,
Leiva ripped off her clothing, including her shirt and underwear, the charges
state." We need to know that he "ripped" the clothing off? A sexual
assault by it's nature would indicate as much. This defendant deserves any
punishment rendered to him, and I hope he gets a lot. I just think the article
could have been written in a more professional manner.
That young lady needs help.The perpetrator needs to be held
accountable.Using one sham marriage to protect another sham marriage is a
double sham.Abe Lincoln used to ask a question: "If you were to
call a dogs tail, a leg, how many legs would a dog have? Somebody always said;
"Five" to which Abe would say; "calling a tail a leg does not make
it one. A dog only has four legs."Calling a same sex union a
marriage does not make it one any more than calling a tail a leg give a dog an
@Stalwart SentinelI'm shocked to see such tolerance from a member of
the church. Totally a breath of fresh air. @Star Bright12.
We believe in being subject to kings, presidents, rulers, and magistrates, in
obeying, honoring, and sustaining the law.Where exactly are you
getting the information that LDS ministers will be forced to marry homosexual
couples? Louisa Wall (who introduced the bill) stated that it would not change
the already standing law that doesn't require a minister to perform the
marriage. Are you passing along gossip?While I can't speak for
every country in the world, ever country I'm familiar with could never
enact a law that would require the LDS religion to perform marriages in their
temples and even if they did, you are back to AoF 12.And as for
women (or men for that matter) standing up against being
"brainwashed".... I couldn't agree more
The girl needs some help and some serious self-evaluation. The guy needs a good
left hook to the jaw.
first off, this has nothing to do with gays, so get off your soapboxes. someone
mentioned there is no way to filter immigrants, but now that he has
"filtered" himself, he should be deported. As far as the girl.. one
Star Bright - I'll do with it the same thing I do with all other myths and
folklore: nothing. Perhaps, one day, I'll couch it as a "scary
story" and tell it to my kids around the campfire.
The fact is, gay so-called "marriage" has already had an affect on
religious freedom. In Delaware, a church which allowed everyone of any religion
to use their facilities for weddings but would not allow it for a gay
"marriage" or commitment ceremony, lost its state tax-free status.
Catholic Charities in Massachussetts who would not allow gay couples to adopt,
had to shut down or violate their religious principles. A woman in Washington
who refused, based on her religion, to provide the flowers for a gay so-called
"marriage" is now being sued by the State of Washington. These are just
a few examples.You see, although gay so-called "marriage"
does not effect my personal Temple marriage, it can and already has had a great
effect on religious freedom. It will only get worse. That's one of the
reasons it is so insidious. And, yes, just because we make laws
that call it a "marriage" it never will be.
BTW, I haven't seen anything in this article that indicates he is an
illegal or that he isn't an American citizen. Honestly, just because
someone has a spanish name, we can't jump to the conclusion that he/she is
Though one cannot compel a spouse to testify against the other, there is no law
preventing the wife from testifying against her husband voluntarily.If there were, divorces would go drastically different than they do.....
Although the girl is the supposed victim in this case, I still hope she gets
charges with obstruction of justice (or whatever) for trying to stop the
prosecutors from having a case against him. She is now guilty of a crime too.
I f the marriage is annulled (as it certainly should be) would that mean the
woman could testify?
Cats: All myth. Delaware church – More detail please, I
haven’t heard of this. I am aware of a similar situation in NJ but that
church was operating under a “Green Acres” tax exemption, they
violated that exemption, and now are operating under a new religious-affiliated
tax exemption which allows them to discriminate in the manner they please.
Sorry, you can’t violate the legal requirements of a tax break and expect
to keep your exempt status. Catholic Charities in MA – They
were receiving public funds and therefore were in violation of the state’s
non-discrimination statute. They could have continued to operate as a private
adoption facility under the rubric of the Catholic Church. Sorry, you
can’t use taxpayer funds to discriminate. Washington flower
shop – That’s a non-discrimination and consumer protection lawsuit.
She is operating a for-profit business and therefore cannot discriminate. Think
of the difference between the LDS Church, a 501c3, vs the DesNews. The LDS
Church only allows tithe payers into the Temple w/out worry of a lawsuit. The
for-profit DesNews cannot do that.
The article never said that anyone involved her was other than born in the
United States. To assume that people are not born in the United States based on
the information provided her is both unfounded on the evidence and clearly out
of line with the fact that a very large percentage of Hispanics in the US were
@John Pack Lambert of MichiganOther reports of the same story make
it clear that in fact he is a foreign national here on a student visa (who
incidentally also is working here illegally). To assume that people are being
"racist" to even ask the question is out of line with the fact that
immigration and visa violations are a frequent occurrence in this country and
that a highly significant percentage of Hispanics are disrespectful of this
nation and its laws. Again that is not a matter of race; it is a matter of
culture, which ultimately is a matter of choice. It also is a matter of fact.
A previous article said that Mr. Leiva was here on a student visa. This article
states that he had a steady job and family in the area. A steady job means that
he is also in violation of his visa. Students on visas are not permitted to
work in the United States. So, is ICE involved in this? He probably won't
be deported, because he could now claim, due to his sham marriage to a citizen
that he should be allowed to stay. That should work because the government does
very little to deport visa violators, even if they are guilty of assault.
If there is any evidence that she accepted marriage under duress, there should
be a legal way to have it annulled. Perhaps authorities could contact anyone
who was involved with the marriage or who knows the couple. It's not fair
to her, or to any of potential future victims, to let him get away with such a
Is he legally living here, or is he one of the 20 million who have invaded our
country and living here illegally pretending to be a citizen? Deport? No.
Incarcerate and put him to hard labor for 15 years; maybe then he might have
second thoughts of repeating what he did. We are too soft on criminals like him.
If she married him under duress, would that not make the marriage void for lack
of consent? Immigration is not the issue here, folks, though local culture and
customs may be a factor. This is one of those cases where local customs and
culture need to be replaced with obedience to God's commandments that I
would assume any girl going to BYU has learned about somewhere in her
life's journey. No one should suffer physical abuse in a marriage, and if
a man is abusing her before the marriage, she is not going to change him into
Prince Charming after the marriage. It will only get worse. This young lady is
in desperate need of counseling to understand why she allows men to treat her
this way and what she can do to develop healthy relationships.