There was a time. The time when cloth was what held electric wires together in
the wall and from the appliance to the wall. The firemen did checks inside homes
to make sure that the homes was safe and teach people about how wires can turn
the house into a toaster. Preventable maintenance. I wish that they did some
before the fire.
It's cool and a pretty amazing accomplishment.... but I can't help but
feel it's a massive waste of money. I would rather have had them just tear
the whole thing down and start from scratch, I am sure it would have been
cheaper. Then you could use the rest of the money to, I don't know, help
people or something...I'll probably get roasted for this
andyjaggy: Agree with you 100 %. How many MILLIONS ( $$,$$$,$$$)
extra will it cost to convert an unstable old shell into an in-efficient temple
that will NOT have the capacity for patrons that the well designed 41 year old
Provo Temple or 31 year old Jordan River Temple or even the more expensive, more
elegant 18 year old Bountiful and Mt. Timpanogos Temples?How will
the cost of the relatively small Provo City Center Temple compare to the larger,
modern Payson Temple?
andyjaggy: Preserving and honoring those who prepared the way for us is a
worthwhile objective. And pinching pennies has never been the way to build
temples. There are elaborate furnishings, decor, etc. worthy of a House of God.
Some people just don't understand the history of a building like the
Tabernacle. They would rather raze it and start all over. The ones who built
that building deserve some acknowledgement, for having built a great
outbuilding. Yes, the insides were possibly not up to current code, but it also
makes me wonder how overloaded the electrical system was in the first place,
with the event that was to be filmed there.Whatever the case may be,
I'm sure that every penny used has been used efficiently and thoughtfully.
This is not a whim of a project. I'm looking forward to going to this
This Temple is being built through absolute inspired guidance through the Lord.
There will always be opinions to the opposite but I know as well as millions of
others know it is the Lord's will it is being built the way it should be.
They are not built to be compared..all of our Temples are beautiful edifices and
are all built according to inspiration and needs of that area. No Temple will be
less than that. It's the Lord's House.
I wonder why you think you would be roasted for your comment. Perhaps people
might be sympathetic to your views if any of us knew what the costs of the
construction project are and how much "extra" is being spent to preserve
the tabernacle facade. Similar views were expressed when the church converted
the old Hotel Utah into the Joseph Smith Memorial building and when they tore
down the Deseret Gym to build the Conference Center. I don't think it is
wrong or unusual to question why things are but maybe part of the problem is
that we simply don't have all of the information that was used to make the
@andyjaggy and Allen#2:When I find myself asking the same
questions--and I certainly don't criticize you for asking those question--I
re-read Section 120 of the Doctrine and Covenants. On the basis of that
section, I then remind myself that I need to have faith and confidence that the
19 individuals identified in that section have given careful and thoughtful
consideration to the very factors/concerns you have identified. That's my
ksampow & suzyk#1: Couldn't have said it better. Just want to add that
the church knows how to handle the money that it has; the LDS church isn't
wasting money. It is both helping those in need, and progressing the work of
God. This soon-to-be temple will be worth all the work and money, and while it
could have been done with less money, we need to remember that the history of
this building is part of the churches history. I think its awesome! I've
always loved that tabernacle, and was so sad when it started burning. I'm
so grateful that our Heavenly Father revealed to President Monson that it is to
be made into a temple. Happy day!
We may consider the issue of wasting money --- a term synonymous with
government. The only difference being that when all is said and done and the
deficit a hundred times greater, there is little to show for the money that was
spent; and usually needed to be printed.I like the comment made in
the article and how this demonstrates that even after hardships and even
destruction, all can be made better in the end. People struggling with the
pitfalls of mortality can look to this temple and hopefully recognize that they
too can be rebuilt and serve a greater purpose.
When I was a BYU student, more than half a century ago, I often went to the
Provo Tabernacle for stake conferences, concerts, and other events. My heart
just broke when it burned. Now it is being "resurrected" to a more
glorious state, just as our mortal bodies will be.
Eliot: Doesnt matter how much it"s going to cost. It isn't taxpayer
and unless you are LDS it's not your money that's paying for the
Whenever I see/hear comments about too much money being spent for a project, the
new Provo temple, because that money should be better spent on this or that - it
always makes me wonder. Look behind the curtain - what is that money actually
being spent on? It's spent on wages for people building the temple, digging
the basement, mixing & pouring concrete, installing wiring, heating/cooling
systems; artisans who create the art, landscaping the grounds, painting walls,
etc. Money purchases furniture, lockers, carpets, mirrors, doors, computers,
etc. All of which have to be built. The church makes a point of local-sourcing
as much as possible. After completion, The temple will need a continual stream
of supplies also purchased in the community. Money is not just being piled onto
the site and left as an offering. Every dollar creates a job for someone, helps
support a family. In the photos, you don't see a row of chairs with anyone
sitting there wishing the temple into existance, you see workers. The building
of a temple brings a lot of money into a community that has a mulitlier effect
during and after construction. The money IS helping people. ter comment
What a great engineering feat. Something like this probably hasn't been
done before. It shows they are being blessed for it.
I'm glad to see they are preserving this historical building. As for the
money, the only reason anything costs money is because people are getting paid.
I don't imagine anyone is getting filthy rich off this job, so it's
all good. It is rather fascinating to see it in the air like that. I presume the
engineers have chosen this path with full acknowledgement of potential risks. I
look forward to seeing how the project turns out by the projected 2015
I visited the site during Conference. Breathtaking engineering...... can't
believe how deep they have gone down and how the facade is just "floating in
the air". And with underground parking, the public space above will be
fabulous.Provo is a bit of an "architectural disaster"
downtown so hopefully this will spark the whole area to become less embarrassing
to the city.
This is not your money or my money. This is the Lord's money and it will
be spent in the way the Lord sees fit.
What is the value of preserving history? There is no easy answer to this
question, but it is clear there are multiple opinions. Those involved felt that
the benefits were worth the cost. There is a value to a historic building that
you cannot get from building something new.No action will please
everyone. However there are some complainers who speak out of both sides of
their mouth. I hope none here are guilty of it, but I can gaurantee if the
Church had torn down the building there would be many people making an unending
stink about it.
What is said about money being spent on Temples is true about any money spent on
any worthy cause and some not so worthy. If something is built, money is paid to
workers for their time and skill. That money in turn is paid to others for food,
and other needs. It circulates. It is never just piled up at a building site.
We should remember that when we may wish to complain about some
level of government spending taxes on something we may not expect to benefit us.
One thing that we don't know, is if there has been a large private donation
to help restore this building, which has happened in other cases. So, it may
not be entirely church funds that are paying for this building. Whatever the
case, and whatever my opinion about if it should have been done or not, I
support the decision to build another temple in Provo. The Provo temple is far
too overcrowded, being only one of very few temples that is open 6 days a week,
to accommodate all those who wish to attend from the community, plus the
missionaries and the BYU students. And, in agreement with an above comment, it
will definitely enhance the look of downtown Provo.
Good thing it's got the support structure holding it in place. Otherwise,
we might be confusing it with the "Great and Spacious building",
hovering in the air with no foundation! But even then, it would be difficult for
people to enter it, severely tempted though they may be.Looking
forward to the temple's completion. Several of my ancestors would have
attended the old "Utah Stake" conferences there.
Just a few short weeks ago I raised my arm to sustain The First Presidency and
the Quorum of the Twelve as Prophets, Seers, and Revelators as I participated in
General Conference. My donations to the Church become consecrated funds to be
used as determined by those same Brethren. I support the Brethren and by so
doing I support the restoration of the Provo tabernacle to become a Temple.
This talk about money reminds me of the Nauvoo Temple. A generous wealthy
church member donated the money. This is likely the case for several of our
temples. It is a worthy cause for our tithing funds, but I am sure some of the
expense is being covered through specific temple donations as can be directed
via our donation slips. Just a point to remember here- since if people want to
help build temples, they can do it and have all such designated funds go that
Our stake president proposed building a new stake center in the "difficult
to access" parking lot behing the old, energy in-efficient, poorly designed
stake center and once completed, demolish the old, unsatisfactory building.However, his wisdom was ignored and many $$$,$$$ were spent adding
individual energy inefficient room air conditioner-heaters for all the
classrooms, Primary room, Relief Society room, stake offices, bishop's and
clerk offices, etc.End result? We still have an inadequate, energy
wasteful, poorly designed old building with difficult to access parking. This
example of an ill advised renovation is the reason I feel it was not prudent use
of church funds to build a new temple using the unsafe, unstable shell of the
burned out Provo Tabernacle when a NEW Provo Temple could have been built using
the same appearing exterior at a much lower cost.
Allen#2: It is your place or your stake presidents place to tell the Church
leaders what to do.
that should say its not your place
snowman: Please don't confuse supporting the "Brethren" who are
called, set apart, and sustained at ward conference, stake conferences, and
every General Conference with disagreemnent with decisions made by church
employees who are NOT called and set apart as spiritual leaders.
Allen#2: The only ones who make these kind of decisions are the
"Brethren" who are called.
To those criticizing the temple on the basis of size and cost:A
couple of observations: I'm no engineer, but it looks to me like thefootprint of the tabernacle is similar in size to several other mid-size
temples.And with two stories below--why the complaints over the
"smallsize"? As to the functionality, we haven't seen the
plan of theinterior yet, so why quibble?Then, as to the cost:
seems to me like some other people--and one of them aturncoat--complained
about the cost of a certain container of ointment, saying themoney should
have been applied to benefit the poor. But the Savior felt otherwise.
I am always amazed at the number of people who cannot tell the difference
between inspired guidance by set apart Brethren in spiritual matters and the
costly waste of precious, sacred, limited funds by employees in the church
office building on rebuilding old, unstable, unsafe structures such as our old