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Jazz coach Corbin earned his chance for another season

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  • Wombat1247 Mount Beauty, VIC
    April 18, 2013 8:32 p.m.

    Sorry , I disagree the the Millers.

    This is a perfect time to clean house

    New Coach, with young players and plenty cap space to sign or resign whom ever he pleases that suits hi sgame plan

    FIRE CORBIN and start a fresh - THIS PAST COUPLE OF YEARS HAVE BEEN WASTED

    More count time was needed for the younger players and that did not happen

  • SLars Provo, UT
    April 18, 2013 9:22 p.m.

    Can the Millers afford more empty seats next year?

  • Red and Blue VANCOUVER, WA
    April 18, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    Yea, let's keep everything the same so we can have another sorry season.

  • Aggie84 Idaho Falls, ID
    April 18, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    I would rather buy BYU tickets and cheer for them than buy another Jazz ticket with Corbin coaching. He looks and is clueless when it comes to coaching.

  • Elcapitan Ivins, UT
    April 18, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    Things at the Jazz headquarters are in turmoil it appears. Jazz management now settles for mediocrity unlike when Jerry and Larry ran the show. They knew what they were doing right off the bat. There are plenty of good college coaches who could outcoach Corbin and who could build a fire under this team. What would we have to lose?

    I doubt the fans will continue to put up with present low expectations of the Miller
    Family. The fans have lost confidence in the present owner, coaching, and management team.

    The comment columns are full of discouragement and dissapointment with our current organizations attitude.

  • rvalens2 Burley, ID
    April 18, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    On the job training for an NBA head coach?

    What's it going to take for the Miller's to realize they made a mistake in giving Tyrone Corbin the team's coaching reigns? This Jazz team should have won at least another 10 games. They lost those games due mostly to bad coaching, bad substitutions and lousy play calling, all of which falls on the Head Coach's shoulders.

    Rick Majerus, the University of Utah's legendary coach, would have won those 10 games and likely a few more with exactly the same players. That's the difference a great coach can make. The Jazz need a great coach, one who understands Xs and Os and what it takes to win the close ones; even if he can't pronounce the word "Oaf-fense."

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    April 18, 2013 11:55 p.m.

    This article is so frustrating but I can't say I'm surprised. The Millers are totally clueless about running a basketball team without Larry at the helm. How in the world does Corbin deserve another year? This team is going backwards and the young talent is not being developed. Don't even get me started about the defensive ineptitude. The fans want to see the Jazz clean house and with all the free agents this is the time to pull the plug and start fresh.

  • milner Centerfield Sanpete, UT
    April 19, 2013 5:31 a.m.

    I think the Jazz need to learn how to play defense! It may be better next year if Jefferson is gone! Seems like the wrong team was starting! The bench would out play the starters!

  • LindonMan Lindon, UT
    April 19, 2013 6:13 a.m.

    NO!

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    April 19, 2013 6:29 a.m.

    I'm no Corbin fan, not because he had a year without a playoff, but because he is Jerry Jr. From 2003 to 2006 Jerry struggled with similar records and even had a 26 win season. I know many of you blame all of the losses on Corbin, but he is running the same exact offensive sets as Sloan. Everyone wanted players that could score, but that meant giving up defense, ie Mo, Foye, Jefferson. Mix in a bunch of young untested rookies, an I'm sure Jerry would have struggled too. Without a change in offensive schemes, this two trick offense will always struggle against better teams because the jazz run the same two plays. When they fail with those they go one on one. Now that is a coaching problem, so if a coaching change finally breaks the chain of the high post pick and roll, then they should say goodbye to Corbin. My point is that Corbin is a puppet of Jerry, with similar 40ish win records with the same offense, and the same type players. But if Corbin had Stockton, we wouldn't be having these conversations.

  • Henry Drummond San Jose, CA
    April 19, 2013 7:57 a.m.

    It looks like I'm in the minority here, but I agree with Brad. When things aren't going well everyone wants to fire the coach. I don't think any other coach (at least anyone likely to come here) would have had better success this season.

  • oleblu Ogden, UT
    April 19, 2013 8:21 a.m.

    The problim I see with with Corbin, is the lack of respect the players have for him. They may say they respect him, but what else could they say. The real test is putting EVERYTHING they have on the floor and playing with heart every game, then they show respect, not just say it! I know its a long season, and guys will have off nights, but game after game of half hearted play guys should ride the pine! Having been a coach, Corbin needed to sit the guys not giving there all and play the young up and coming to give them more experiendce. In my experience once a guy realizes he has to perform in order to play...if he wants to play he performs! Of course I didn't have to deal with people making millions of dollars...but never the less one should have to prove he is good enough to get the minutes, not just play because he is a vet of the league! Corbin needs to go!

  • Sneaky Jimmy Bay Area, CA
    April 19, 2013 8:46 a.m.

    The Jazz might be better if they could get a top 5 point guard. That way they would have someone on the floor that could "coach" them. I don't see anything changing dramatically. The Jaxx will use their draft pick on a 2 guard that wont play and it will be the same thing all over.

  • Hugh G. Hater Swat Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2013 9:32 a.m.

    This is what happens when you have a soft media corp (some of whom are even on the Miller's payroll, i.e. certain 1280 personalities). Just yesterday Hayward was crowned the Great White Hope for this team by Lindsey. Are you kidding me?! As if he alone will turn things around. Reference his stats the last month.

    You really have to hand it to the Miller's- they have created an environment where they have duped fans into overpaying for tickets with no risk of criticism from the media when the team shows no progress.

    This franchise is done. They will never be competitive and make another WCF run with the current system that is in place.

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    April 19, 2013 10:13 a.m.

    @fortydam
    Labeling Corbin as "Jerry Jr." is insulting. To say Corbin runs the same offense as Sloan is meaningless. I can put a Stradivarius up to my shoulder but it doesn't mean I can play beautiful music. Coach Sloan demanded that his players work hard and I remember him many times stamping his foot on the floor when his players weren't in the right position. That 26 win season (if that's what it was) happened after Stockton, Malone and Hornacek retired and the cub boards were totally bare. I remember NBA analysts before the start of that season make comments to the effect that the Jazz that year could set the record for the worst season in NBA history. Some thought he deserved coach of the year for getting the wins he did. Sloan never had lottery picks of the likes Corbin has had because his teams were always too good to be in the lottery. Sloan played young players when they deserved to play unlike Corbin that continued playing veterans that can't advance this team and that won't be here next year anyway. Corbin is a shadow of Sloan, not a carbon copy.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    April 19, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    One thing is for certain. If you keep doing what you've been doing (and with whom you've been doing it), you'll keep getting what you've been getting.
    It's called the law of what is... and what could be. From what this article states, apparently neither Brad Rock nor the Jazz ownership understands it. They stuck with what was last year, and predictably ended up with an even worse record. Have they not yet learned anything? Do they really want to keep going down this same unchanged path yet another year? Hopefully, the Millers are smarter than that.

    These comment sections give a good indication on how the fans feel. As such, without some meaningful changes, starting with the coach, it's pretty much guaranteed that season ticket sales will go down next season. Why wait another year to learn the lesson that could and should be learned now?

    Sloan had Jazz fan support. Corbin doesn't, and for obvious reasons. He hasn't produced. The numbers prove it. In business, the customers (which in this case are the fans) are always right. That's because without them, there is no business.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    April 19, 2013 10:43 a.m.

    26 win season Bozzer, Okur, Ak, Gordon, And he had other seasons that 40 something got them in the playoffs. A different coach might have got something different out of this team, but not running the same offense that has gone downhill since the zone defense has been allowed. Jerry Sloan talked about some of the things that tired him of the NBA, and that was a big one. Jerry never played rookies, (maybe one or two). Stockton rode the pine for half a year and so did Deron. Calling Corbin Jerry Jr, is as much an insult is this old and outdated offensive scheme. Americanvet it isn't all Corbin. I have been a season ticket holder since Frank Layden was there and nothing has changed. If Corbin comes back with those offensive sets, the same thing will happen. If anyone coaching this team runs the same two or three plays that worked against man on man coverage 20 tears ago they too will have the same results. The NBA and the teams were different for Jerry, and the new rules of the NBA out grew his style.

  • VeraLouise Sandy, UT
    April 19, 2013 11:16 a.m.

    Count me in as supporting Corbin for another year. He has been through a lot and certainly must have learned valuable lessons from all of it. Give him one more chance to work with a new batch of players along with the core four (plus D.Carroll, I hope!!). Once they start winning, the naysayers will be back because we all love winners. Most of these regular posters obviously have loved the Jazz or else they would not write with such emotion/passion. That is a good thing, negative or positive, just a huge interest. I'm pretty certain they will still watch to see what happens, with or without Ty Corbin. I'm sincerely hoping it will be a positive turnaround and am looking forward to seeing it all start again. Now I am in withdrawals. Guess I'll cheer for Denver with Andre Miller, etc. Couldn't have done that with Carmello (not one of my favorites).

    Thanks, Jazzboys, for a fun season although a disappointing ending. I'm still your cheerleader!

  • SMS Salt Lake City, UT
    April 19, 2013 11:17 a.m.

    @fortydam

    Corbin does not run the same offensive sets as Sloan does like you claim. In fact the Jazz hardly ever run the pick-and-roll anymore and use much more of a motion offense. The thing is, that the offense isn't the main problem, so I'm not sure why you're harping on it. The real problem is the defense. Utah is 29th in the league according to hoopdata.com

    Now is the perfect time to fire Corbin, clean house with a new coach and new players to build around the "core four."

  • dbrbmw Orem, UT
    April 19, 2013 11:43 a.m.

    Wow, have you seen all the empty seats lately? Fans message to the Jazz is, "GET A NEW AND EXPERIENCED COACH"! The Jazz really can't afford to play games with the arena empty. Can't pay employees. Can't pay players. Can't pay vendors. Can't even pay the electric bill. MAKE A CHANGE JAZZ! Corbin is a nice man but not a good coach.

  • cval Hyde Park, UT
    April 19, 2013 11:51 a.m.

    I have seen nothing to suggest he deserves another year. He has looked lost, frustrated and in over his head the entire year. His propensity to play the vets over the young guys even though they are not as good has alienated both groups. As a result, the vets want to leave now and the young guys will as soon as they are not contractually obligated.

    Nobody has been happy with this outcome, so how can we say he has earned another chance?

  • Americanvet Ivins, UT
    April 19, 2013 12:30 p.m.

    @fortydam
    Here is your 2004/2005 26 win roster:
    Carlos Arroyo
    Raja Bell
    Curtis Borchardt
    Keon Clark
    Jarron Collins
    Gordan Giricek
    Paul Grant
    Tom Guglliotta
    Ben Handlogten
    Matt Harpring
    Andrie Kirilenko
    Raul Lopez
    Mikki Moore
    Greg Ostertag
    Aleksandar Pavlovic
    Michael Ruffin
    Deshawn Stevenson
    Maruice Williams

    No Boozer or Memo on this team. If Corbin had to coach that team they probably would have set the record for futility in the NBA

  • Dixie Dan Saint George, UT
    April 19, 2013 1:00 p.m.

    Phil Jackson anyone? Of course, the Jazz would have to pay him more than the minimum hourly rate. He would put people in seats and create a lot of interest for the 2013/14 season. Of course a second choice would be a former NBA coach, who was born in Utah, who is looking for a new job. Two choices for the Jazz with a lot of potential to create some excitement for the coming season and help sell season tickets.

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    April 19, 2013 1:07 p.m.

    @ Aggie 84

    You would rather buy BYU ticets? Bronco Mendenhall had a man crush on Riley Nelson and mismanaged several aspects of his team.

    If you are talking BYU basketball, this just in, BYU was in the NIT. How is that any better than cheering for the Jazz?

    By the way I am a BYU fan. I just don't see your logic.

  • Jazzledazzle Provo, UT
    April 19, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    I have been critical of Corbin's rotations and have been guilty of saying he should be fired. Here are a few things to consider:

    1- He took over a team that was in complete chaos, Sloan retired, the Jazz traded D Will.

    2- He had a roster full of expiring contracts and youth, and being overloaded at the forward position.

    Before everyone gets all upset at me, I am not making excuses for him. Those are facts. So, I think give him a little more time. Teams are too quick to fire coaches. I am not a huge Corbin fan, but let's be honest, Phil Jackson could not have coached this team very far. John Wooden was asked how he won so much His answer was to go get good players.

    The Jazz had a lot of good role players, and a borderline all star. Can't expect much from this roster.

    Here is what I want to see as a Jazz fan:

    1- Corbin finding a regular rotation
    2-The Jazz playing good, intense defense
    3- Mental toughness, win away from home for Pete's sake
    4- Let the youth take over, add a couple pieces

    Give him 1 more chance.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    April 19, 2013 1:28 p.m.

    SMS, are you kidding? Pass into the post and let Danley, or Malone, or AK, then Boozer, now Jefferson. It's a spin off of the same sets. They might not be a traditional pick and roll, but they are the same clear out pass into the post while everyone else stands out on the three point line to clear space offense. Corbin doesn't have Malone or Stockton to run the UCLA high post pick and roll, but don't kid yourself, this is the same offense. And you are right, most of the problem is defense. All I'm saying is that it isn't all Corbin, that's all. Fire him please, so we can talk about another coach. There are only a few teams in the NBA that stick with one long enough to do any good now days. Can you imagine Phil Jackson teaching this bunch the triangle? Well imagine plenty because coaches like he and Riley will only coach hand picked teams. And definitely not in Utah, and definitely not what they pay here. I'm with you, get all new around the core four.

  • logicalsportsanalyst Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 19, 2013 3:30 p.m.

    It is a frustrating topic to deal with. 43-39 is a good record (not great) to have. Teams in the Eastern Conference with worse records make the playoffs. I don't think he is the worst coach out there. However, in this very article, CORBIN says that he is learning and growing. Unfortunately, that doesn't cut it in professional sports. You don't hire a college graduate to be your CEO or CFO calling the shots-he needs the experience first. Corbin could get that experience being HEAD coach at a community college, then move up. Going from 2nd assistant to HEAD doesn't quite give you the experience you need.

  • LetsDebate PLEASANT GROVE, UT
    April 19, 2013 4:09 p.m.

    I'd give Corbin another chance. So he's getting "on the job" training to be a coach. Didn't all NBA coaches have a first NBA coaching job, where they learned to be an NBA coach?

    I totally agree with oleblue above. Not getting full heart and effort from the players, and defensive laziness, are certainly coaching issues. The times the Jazz put that on the floor, they looked, very, very good, and would probably have home court advantage in the first round if they gave full heart and effort every game. Demare Carrol gave full heart and effort every time he stepped on the court. His absence in the last game was very perplexing to me.

    I think Corbin needs to get a handle on heart/effort/defensive laziness within the first half of next season, or find a coach who can. The players are capable - they need motivation.

  • Jazz Source Alpine, UT
    April 19, 2013 4:26 p.m.

    Corbin did not earn anything except a step backward in terms of results. This team made the playoffs last year.

    All the young players should have been a year better and in theory some of the veteran players were upgrades or at least were supposed to be.

    That is a failure.

  • fortydam OREM, UT
    April 19, 2013 5:11 p.m.

    Americanvet.. 04/05
    Arroyo
    Bell
    Boozer
    Borchardt
    Collins
    Eisley
    Giricek
    Handlogten
    Harping
    Humphries
    Kirilenko
    Livingston
    Lopez
    McLeod
    Okur
    Radojevic
    Snyder

    26 wins 56 losses

    I'm on your side, the only difference I have is that a simple coaching change with this group of players wouldn't have made much difference. They just couldn't or wouldn't play defense, and the offense they continue to run, is old hat to the nba. Now as many games as boozer and ak missed I'm sure the 04 and 05 season was full of injuries also. I will say it one more time, I'm not a Corbin fan, however I blame Mo, and his constant injuries and inconsistenties, and Jefferson with his lazy defensive attitude on plenty of the ten or so losses that separate Corbin and Sloans records.

  • Daniel84020 Draper, UT
    April 19, 2013 11:41 p.m.

    It seems disengenious to imply that the Jazz going 9 of 12 down the stretch is somehow a sign of good coaching. The collective record of those nine teams was well below .500. Golden State on the road is a good (not great) win and every other good team they played in that stretch (Denver, Oklahoma, and Memphis) destroyed the Jazz.

    There prowess down the stretch was by far more the result of a weak schedule than strong coaching.

  • Richie Saint George, UT
    April 21, 2013 3:25 p.m.

    I am sorry but I would fire Corbin and his assistants except Horny in a heartbeat. He was the token african american assistant under Sloan and that is the brutal truth. The Miller Family is clueless so I guess I will have to watch anything but the Jazz and hope the seats empty out until new owners can show up. I feel sorry for the vendors that support the Energy Solutions Arena. I would also hope that the Media really hammers Miller and company.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    April 21, 2013 5:52 p.m.

    Corbin for life? Then get used to not making the playoffs every year, because that's where Corbin will take the Jazz.

  • President Joker Washington, DC
    April 22, 2013 2:47 p.m.

    Earned his chance? They were worse than they were last season. He blew his chance. Now I will buy season tickets if they decide to tank. But I will boycott the Jazz if they try another pointless season of being competitive while rebuilding.