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  • Economist Salt Lake City, UT
    April 13, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    What's wrong with deporting them back to their country of origin?

  • prelax Murray, UT
    April 13, 2013 6:53 p.m.

    A country that cannot enforce it's laws, or run an honest visa program should not be giving out waivers. The adults have a program at 18 years of age, that helps them attain legal status already. Without it they are just as illegal as their parents.

    Secure the border, secure the interior. Enforce the laws, and use E-verify with penalties nationally.

    Prove to America that this won't happen again. We already have seen 7 amnesties. That's enough. We need to get illegal immigration under control, so that we can fix the dishonesty in legal immigration and work visas.

  • DN Subscriber 2 SLC, UT
    April 13, 2013 10:02 p.m.

    Although I disagree with the wisdom of allowing this mini-amnesty program at all, the worst part is that the tens (or hundreds) of thousands of other illegals who did NOT sign up for the program remain here among us, breaking the law on a daily basis with absolutely no consequences whatsoever.

    Their welfare, education, in state tuition, medical care all continue unabated, and some are undoubtedly also illegally registered and voting.

    I guess only legal U.S. tax paying citizens are expected to actually obey all of our laws. But, why should they since compliance is optional, and waivers and second chances are inevitable?

    No amnesty, ever. We welcome the fine people who follow the rules and come here legally, and the system works, if people bother to use it.

  • The Real Maverick Orem, UT
    April 13, 2013 10:53 p.m.

    "Economist
    Salt Lake City, UT
    What's wrong with deporting them back to their country of origin?"

    Because big business won't allow it. And big business owns our elected officials. It is that simple.

  • Bryan Syracuse, UT
    April 14, 2013 6:03 a.m.

    Obama's duties as president are to enforce the laws passed by Congress, not openly and formally flout them. All of these illegal aliens should be sent back to their country of birth, and once that's done they should get in line behind the other (law obeying) people who are trying to legally immigrate to the United States. By unilaterally declaring this amnesty, Obama has informed the world that our laws are meaningless, and can be broken with impunity.

  • Hamath Omaha, NE
    April 14, 2013 6:02 a.m.

    Since our own families in the US are opting for lower birth rates (see articles in DN on marriage and cohabitation) and since our economy is based on shrinking younger population supporting massive older population, then to me the smartest conservative, fiscally responsible approach would be to say once again "Everyone who wants to work, come on in." like we did in the 1800s. We need these talented U.S. trained students to stay. We need more hard working ones to come. Legally, so we collect their taxes and they pay for the benefits that they get. They will drive up demand, start their own businesses, provide and grow the economy.

  • 1conservative WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    April 14, 2013 6:27 a.m.

    This is what happens when the POTUS tries to politicize law enforcement.

    LEGAL American citizens and those who choose to locate here via legal means just want laws enforced.

    Is that too much to ask?

  • Say No to BO Mapleton, UT
    April 14, 2013 6:52 a.m.

    Deferred Action is an illegal program.
    Congress controls immigration.
    Obama's fiat doesn't change the law.
    But then, this administration can do whatever it wants.
    My hope is that the entire program will be blocked and nullified in the courts. But I'm not holding my breath.

  • jim l West Jordan, UT
    April 14, 2013 8:00 a.m.

    I spent over 7 years in the navy on submarines. We were taught that if a leak occured, you secured the leak first, and then worried about the water inside. otherwise you would sink and die. Seems like the same applies here. Secure the border.

  • RShackleford Saint George, UT
    April 14, 2013 8:57 a.m.

    That seams to be a pretty small number compared to the number that have applied for and getting... welfare, free medical care and education, or for that matter the number that are incarcerated on felony counts also paid for on the taxpayers dime in our prison system.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    April 14, 2013 9:43 a.m.

    @Hamath:
    "We need these talented U.S. trained students to stay..."

    We don't need foreigners taking Americans' jobs. We need Americans working, not foreigners. If foreigners are to be allowed to continue to come in and take our jobs, perhaps we need to start cutting off unemployment benefits for American 'workers' who sit home drawing unemployment... paid with tax dollars. Cutting back on 'guaranteed' income might encourage them to start looking for work... any work to put bread on the table.

    "We need more hard working ones to come."

    Not so. We need to get our own people working first. When we bring in foreigners to work, they stay 'forgeting' to go home. Then we have to provide them free health care and their kids free education. Not fair to the American taxpayer.

    And just as importantly, other countries need to keep their talented, hard working people home so they can have a measure of success there. Why is it that America thinks it has to garner all the world's talent?

  • ProudUtahn St. George, Utah
    April 14, 2013 10:01 a.m.

    @Hamath
    "Everyone who wants to work, come on in." like we did in the 1800s. We need these talented U.S. trained students to stay. We need more hard working ones to come. Legally, so we collect their taxes and they pay for the benefits that they get. They will drive up demand, start their own businesses, provide and grow the economy."

    In the 1800's a person had to have a sponser,specific location where they were going before they could come in to the US. The US has enough people unemployed who are here legally. To say they are doing jobs americans won't is not correct, my son has been pushed from jobs by his latino co-workers to make room for more of their friends. I know that is one person I can verify but I have heard of mulitple of others with the same type of story. Starting business, as long as they are on a level playing field. Back in New Jersey a business has been running for over 25 years without paying taxes because of tax laws for immigrants after 7yr they brought in another relation to take over the business for another 7 etc.

  • LGJHERE LOS ANGELES/USA, CA
    April 14, 2013 10:46 a.m.

    A new worldwide book/ebook by ex-Salt Laker Lance Johnson helps explain the role, struggles, and contributions of immigrants and minorities: "What Foreigners Need To Know About America From A To Z: How to understand crazy American culture, people, government, business, language and more.” Endorsed by ambassadors, educators, and editors, it paints a revealing picture of America on numerous subjects for those who will benefit from a better understanding. Immigrants and the children they bear account for 60 percent of our nation’s population growth and are 60 percent more likely to start a new business than native-born Americans. It identifies “foreigners” who became successful in the US and contributed to our society. However, most struggle in their efforts and need guidance. Perhaps intelligent immigration reform, concerned citizens and books like this can extend a helping hand. Peace.

  • Mack2828 Ft Thomas, KY
    April 14, 2013 11:23 a.m.

    These stories about illegal immigration are so discouraging to me. Even though they were brought here illegally by their parents I feel very strongly that an honorable, courageous illegal immigrant would return home and work to make their own country great, or at least go home and get in line and come here legally. What ever happened to the clarity in the words of the hymn "do what is right let the consequence follow?"
    I know and love many latino's. Wonderful people. But isn't it true that when we truly love someone we help them do what is right? True love is not manifest by enabling dishonest behavior.
    It's so discouraging to know that my LDS church leaders, that I love so much, are also willing to look the other way and not lovingly insist that their members do what is right.
    It's no fun to feel ostracized from your country and your church. I'm getting to the point where I just really don't want to read these articles anymore.

  • Lucas APO, AE
    April 14, 2013 12:23 p.m.

    The Church has openly spoke about two political issues in the recent years. 1) against gay marriage, 2) supporting the Obama plan to legalize these brother and sisters. Most of members (including me) understand the position on issue number one, and many strongly support it. Why are most of Utah members against issue 2, truly PUZZLES ME. I'm married to an American, so I could get it if I wanted to. I really hope for a path to legalization and citizenship for the rest of immigrants.

  • wrz Pheonix, AZ
    April 14, 2013 2:27 p.m.

    @Lucas:
    "Why are most of Utah members against issue 2, truly PUZZLES ME."

    What is 'honoring obeying ans sustaining the law' that is so puzzling? If the leaders don't believe in the principle, it appears most members do.

    "I really hope for a path to legalization and citizenship for the rest of immigrants."

    There already exists a path to legalization... It's (1) go home, (2) fill out the papers, (3) and get in line... just like all the others who are trying to come here legally.

  • John C. C. Payson, UT
    April 14, 2013 6:31 p.m.

    We should have let that many and more come here legally in the first place. We need more good workers and citizens.

  • hubbardesquire Alabaster, Alabama
    April 14, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    No amnesty for illegal immigrants now, not tomorrow, and not ever. Thanks for giving me this opportunity to post this comment as a way to stand up for our great nation. Americans will never allow anyone, whether individuals, organizations, or governments to destroy our country. We will ever be vigilant against our enemies, both foreign and, most importantly, domestic.

  • SLC gal Salt Lake City, UT
    April 15, 2013 7:45 a.m.

    So no one else thinks it's shocking that there are over 5,400 children in UTAH alone, that have been smuggled over the border illegally? How is that NOT conisdered human trafficing? It's an illegal transprotation of a human being.

  • Sasha Pachev Provo, UT
    April 15, 2013 4:12 p.m.

    What happened to "Give me your tired, your poor, your huddled masses yearning to breathe free"? We have become a nation of convenience and not of principles, and thus we only deserve to have the mess we are in. The question at the border should be "Do you yearn to breathe free, and do you really mean it?" and if the answer is yes you are in. Anything less than that is anti-American because it tears at the foundation that made America a place that people risk their lives to be a part of.

    The mindset of "they take our jobs" is a losing mindset. If you want to double your income, stop thinking that somebody else has the power to take your job. Learn to compete! Refuse to get beat by a guy that starts the race a couple of laps behind you! Find something marketable you can be good at and persist at getting better. The market will reward you.

  • marcamus goochland, va
    April 18, 2013 7:21 a.m.

    @mack2828

    I understand your position. We need to look at the issue from a standpoint of love and compassion. The church leaders support looking at immigration issues with compassion and also the rule of law. Amnesty satisfies both justice and mercy. Having served my mission in Utah in the Hispanic community, I saw many families move to Utah (probably many without authorization) who then joined the church and are faithful members. However, to now ask them to leave and go home to rectify themselves with the law is a difficult proposition, especially when they have some children or perhaps even a spouse who is a U.S. citizen. What would you advise a faithful church member who is married to a U.S. citizen with kids born here? Tell him to go home and wait in line. By the way, the line is at least 10 years long for such a situation. Would you still tell him to go home and wait with distant relatives without a job while his family suffers. There has got to be a better solution than go home and get in line. Amnesty requires much sacrifice to satisfy justice.