Finally!After months of articles on the “evidence” for
this scared book or doctrine, or the “proof” of this or that
historic event, Dr. Peterson finally addresses the basis for all religions
– personal religious experience.These are fascinating accounts
and reading the religious literature from other traditions suggests that
experiences like these are universal. Hindus and Tibetan Buddhist in particular
have troves of such accounts going back many centuries. It’s
really too bad our religious traditions are so ramified and beholden to many
mutually exclusive beliefs and doctrines. If more people were willing to come
out of their bunkers, perhaps the core commonalities among religions would
become more evident.But as long as people are brought up to believe
that they alone have the “true faith” and everyone else is either
wicked or living to some degree in outer darkness – as opposed to a fellow
child of God with their own tradition every bit as capable of facilitating a
relationship with him - this recognition will not occur and our world will
continue to look less like the Kingdom of God and more like the Balkans.
How comforting this column is to those of us who have wept at a graveside.
“In regard to gardens, says brother Grant, ‘I have seen good
gardens on this earth, but I never saw any to compare with those that were
there. I saw flowers of numerous kinds, and some with from fifty to a hundred
different colored flowers growing upon one stalk.“”
…I was caught up to paradise and heard things so astounding that they
cannot be expressed in words[or detail], THINGS no human is allowed to
Scientists have also told people that the earth is flat, witches cause social
disruption, smoking cigarettes relaxes throat muscles, Thalidomide was as safe
as asbestos, and on and on, Red. Brains in the throes of death are
able to produce cogent, beautiful hallucinations, exactly alike? Never.
I've heard it reasoned out that awareness is a meat byproduct, just a
neurological response in a living organism. I’ve never heard an attempt to
biologically explain how it works, much less why it should. So if the final
scene as the curtain comes down is an upper, what does a duly curious scientist
make of that?
To Tyler on true faith Thing is how many people actually want to know the truth
about what God says and seek it? Wouldn't the honest in heart want to find
the truth and choose to live it. God is not a God of confusion, Car can only
take gas, Gravity does not change it's law, Why would an all knowing God?
NDE's are interesting however they do not represent Church doctrine.
Scientists hold all manner of views on these things. There is no single
position held by "Science." Various naturalistic explanations of
near-death experiences have been offered; none of them have been found
universally (or even very) persuasive. Some NDE accounts are extremely
difficult to explain away.
@donnSeveral points to ponder:1. You do not know what
things he was allowed to tell or not tell we just know that ther some he was not
allowed to tell, an2. that prohibition does not apply to others.3. God is not prohibited, God is allowed to tell what he will through
his Prophet.4. Matthew 16:16-18 (brackets added): 16 And
Simon Peter answered and said, Thou art the aChrist, the Son of the living
God. 17 And Jesus answered and said unto him, Blessed art thou,
Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not REVEALED it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven. 18 And I say also unto thee, That thou
art Peter, and upon this rock [REVELATION, also playing upon Peter's name]
I will build my church; and the gates of hell shall not prevail against it.If God is not leading his Church by revelation through his prophet, that
church can not prevail.Our unchanging God does continue to reveal to
us even today.
If a temporary death experience is in someone's head, it doesn't
explain how people who have them come into posession of knowledge that they
couldn't have possibly known from any other source--such as knowledge of a
private conversation between other people in another location. Anyone who has
had such an experience knows it isn't in one's head.And to
those who scoff at these accounts, I'm wondering...does it really make you
feel better to try and discredit these stories? Does it make you feel better to
try and destroy the faith of others? Wouldn't it be much nicer to listen
to the accounts of eye witnesses who are willing to share their wonderful
experiences with you and make your life brighter?And...there are
many doctors and scientists who accept so-called NDEs are real. Some of them
have experienced them themselves.
Science has PROPOSED a number of possible explanations for death experiences or
near death experiences,and not a single proposal has ever been
proved clinically or in a laboratory.So science can hypothesize all
they want but they have no provable theories and never have,if they
could they would have by now, and reproduced them over and over and again the
exact same experience.Science does not know.
Corvette "google" Proof of Heaven a Neurosurgeons Journey into
the AfterlifeHe was agnostic before his near death experience 20/20 did a
fascinating story on him you can see as wellwhy not comment after looking
RE: the truth, Several points to ponder. that prohibition does not apply to
others. , God is allowed to tell what he will through his Prophet. If God is not
leading his Church by revelation through his prophet, that church can not
prevail. Our unchanging God does continue to reveal to us even today.OK,A
Discourse by Elder Jedediah M. Grant, Delivered in the Tabernacle, Great Salt
Lake City, Aug. 7, 1853 . The grand reason of the burst of public sentiment in
anathemas upon Christ and his disciples, causing his crucifixion, was evidently
based upon polygamy, according to the testimony of the philosophers [Celsus]who
rose in that age. A belief in the doctrine of a plurality of wives caused the
persecution of Jesus and his followers. We might almost think they were
“Mormons.”(JoD v. 1 p 346)
Sharrona, you've confused me. What's your point?
Reading this, I couldn't help thinking of a family in my ward who are
dealing with the death of their 18-year-old daughter