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BYU rugby: Wasatch Cup scrapped, Utah suspended, BYU to host clinic

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  • CougFaninTX Frisco, TX
    April 2, 2013 9:48 p.m.

    What is going on in SLC? First the swimming program, and now this?

  • IQ92 hi, UT
    April 2, 2013 11:43 p.m.

    BYU Rugby is the epitome of what college athletics should be-- both on and off the field. I have family in New Zealand who informs me that BYU Rugby is known as an American ambassador of the sport. Good on ya, mates! (Thanks DNews for your growing coverage.)

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 3, 2013 4:35 a.m.

    Sorry, but this is just another example of the little brother trying to keep up with Big Brother and will try to do anything to keep up. They got caught and now they will lose yet another sports program. What else is going on at a school that will try to keep up with the conference they are in. Just listen to their fan base, sports is more important to them than education.

  • UtahYouthRugby SLC, UT
    April 3, 2013 6:56 a.m.

    Unfortunately, there aren't really any High School matches this weekend due to spring break. Sad day for Utah Rugby, hopefully they can get this all squared away and get back on the pitch.

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    April 3, 2013 7:12 a.m.

    What is the deal with Utah ? Why is it that BYU has to tell the rugby world about Utah ? Is anyone in charge of Utah rugby ?
    Utah owes an honest statement to the Varsity Cup teams and to rugby fans about its problems.

  • FB_Grandpa So Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:31 a.m.

    Herriman (defending Utah State Champs) plays Boise Capital (defending Idaho State Champs) on Saturday at 2pm at Herriman Stadium. Should be a great game as both are ranked in the top 25 nationally - I believe Herriman is 4th and Capital is 20th.

  • Lone Star Cougar Plano, TX
    April 3, 2013 7:42 a.m.

    Ouch! C'mon UU. What is going on?

  • TruBlue Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:48 a.m.

    I don't blame Chris Hill. No doubt he wanted to spare yet another Utah team from being decimated on the field by the Mighty Cougars!

    GO COUGS! 2012 National Rugby Champions!

  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:50 a.m.

    Wow. More trouble on the hill.

    I hope that some partisans won't accuse BYU of being "holier-than-thou" or deserving critisicm because "they supposedly live a higher standard" due to the BYU Coach being interviewed and commenting about the situation.

    I hope Utah gets its athletic troubles solved. This must be another embarrassment to the PAC 12, unfortunately. I hope things get settled. Maybe after the facts are known there will be some personnel changes at the U; maybe not. I'll not comment further about that, leaving the Ute supporters to raise that hue-and-cry, until I see what happens.

    Good luck to all those who were counting on this being a good, successful program. I hope it rebounds.

  • AZ Blue & Red Gilbert, AZ
    April 3, 2013 8:03 a.m.

    Too bad and the U rugby always has a great team. Have to admire the fact that someone had the courage to do what was needed. The ones I feel sorry for are the players (probably many of them) that did not do anything wrong and are punished for the others stupidity.

    The U always gives the Y all they can handle in Rugby. It is that rivalry thing again.

    Will not comment as I have no clue as to what the issue is but I hope they clear it up and move forward. Too good of a program to see die.

  • EdGrady Idaho Falls, ID
    April 3, 2013 8:13 a.m.

    More scandal at the pride of the Pac-12? Shocking!

  • runnerguy50 Virginia Beach, Va
    April 3, 2013 8:23 a.m.

    Another question, what team can replace Utah in the Varsity Cup ? Maybe one of the Canadian clubs ? UBC or Simon Frasure ?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 3, 2013 8:37 a.m.

    Things are imploding at the U. Chris Hill is now covering all is bases because this swim thing has him in the cross hairs. This rugby fiasco will also get swept under the rug. Maybe another BYU athlete will go after someone for throwing water ballons, that will keep reporters busy for weeks. Scandal at the U? Meh.

  • ShellBelle Pleasant Grove, UT
    April 3, 2013 8:38 a.m.

    Hmmm...runnin Utes runnin scared.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:02 a.m.

    Big time athletic problems come with wannabe big time conference programs.

    I love my WCC affiliation with the an independent football twist and my 'little' church school environment.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 3, 2013 9:08 a.m.

    3grandslams:

    "Things are imploding at the U. Chris Hill is now covering all is [sic] bases..."

    There seems to be an awful lot of Y fans commenting on Hill and the Pac-12, so to put all your Indy-WACey minds at ease, allow me to clear things up for you a bit...

    (1) Rugby is not an NCAA sport. It's a "club" sport. Therefore, Dr. Hill has nothing to do with it.

    (2) As Rugby is not an NCAA sport, it's governing board is not the Pac-12. Therefore, the Pac-12 has nothing to do with it either.

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:11 a.m.

    Utah Rubgy must have been invited to join the PAC12 conference and playing the tough PAC12 competition week in and week out proves difficult to schedule BYU, therefore, it's not longer in their best interest to continue the rivalry.

  • JD Tractor Iowa City, IA
    April 3, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Let's see if I understand:

    U football player assaults and threatens his wife, U swim coach assaults his players, U athletic director ignores it, U Rugby team suspended without explanation for entire season.

    Which newspaper, news outlet, news reporter is going to do some real investigation and give the pubic answers? Brad Rock? Lee Robinson? Mike Grant? Robert Jackson? Patrick Kinahan (he's so enamored with Anae interviews, this has certainly got to be news with him)?

  • SamoanYfan WEST JORDAN, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:22 a.m.

    Naval Vet:

    This has been difficult to wrapped around my Indy-WACey mind to comprehend. Thanks for laying it out so clearly because non of us Y fans knew that it was a club and not sanctioned by the NCAA. But since it's not all the more reason to sweep it under the rug. But who really cares anyways? Because at least you're in the PAC12 and football is all that matters right?

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    Rugby is a club sport, just like ultimate Frisbee and fencing. It has nothing to do with the Utah athletic department. It begs the question...who cares?

  • 3grandslams Iowa City, IA
    April 3, 2013 9:35 a.m.

    Naval Vet: Are you saying the Rugby team has nothing to do with the U? Are you saying they are only a club team using the U's name, logo's and mascot but have nothing to do with the University? If you are, there is something even more strange going on. Maybe instead of the Rugby team being suspended for, "violating University Policies", they were really suspended for being imposters!

    Or I might suggest Naval Vet, you are being very naive.

  • deductive reasoning Arlington, VA
    April 3, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    navelvet

    LOL at your spin:

    (1) Rugby is not an NCAA sport. It's a "club" sport. Therefore, Dr. Hill has nothing to do with it.

    "University of Utah officials have suspended the rugby team from playing the 2013-14 season and reportedly put the program under long term probation"

    So who are these "mysterious" UofU officials who suspended the Utah rugby team?

    (2) As Rugby is not an NCAA sport, it's governing board is not the Pac-12. Therefore, the Pac-12 has nothing to do with it either.

    Who cares whether the PAC 12 is the "governing board", ANYTHING that casts discredit on a PAC 12 institution casts discredit on the conference, whether it involves an NCAA-sanctioned sport, a club sport, or anything else associated with the university.

  • DEW Cougars Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Naval Vet said it right.

  • Truth Teller Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:00 a.m.

    Rugby is a club sport at the U of U and is administered by the Campus Recreation Dept. The administration of that department, up through its VP and the Dean of Students is carrying out a vendetta against the rugby team. Their actions need to be fully explained and compared with actions taken against other teams and athletes in similar circumstances. Why are club sports and their athletes treated differently than scholarship athletes and teams under the administration of the athletic department? Clearly a case of discrimination. The true story needs to be told.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 3, 2013 10:06 a.m.

    SamoanYfan:

    "This has been difficult to wrapped around my Indy-WACey mind to comprehend. Thanks for laying it out so clearly because non [sic] of us Y fans knew that it was a club and not sanctioned by the NCAA."

    Yes. Clearly. You're welcome.

    TruBlue, toosmartforyou, EdGrady, 3grandslams, sammyg:

    You're welcome to all of you too!

  • Real Bass Idaho Falls, ID
    April 3, 2013 10:17 a.m.

    Two For Flinching: who cares? You should!!!

  • Juggernaut Cedar Hills, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:32 a.m.

    We are just going to have to keep saying it until it finally sets in, RUGBY IS A CLUB SPORT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONFERENCE AFFILIATION. This isn't a huge black eye by any means since it is a club sport and is up to students having to pay their own expenses to join the team.

  • Christine B. Hedgefog Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:37 a.m.

    NavelVet, all this "you're welcome" without giving a thanks to deductive reasoning for explaining why this, like your swimming program, casts a bad light on the U and the PAC? Not to mention the stellar basketball program and a football team whose only bowl game last year was in September.

    Go ahead deductive reasoning, tell Navel Vet "you're welcome"

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:54 a.m.

    Juggernaut @ "HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONFERENCE AFFILIATION"

    Neither does your football team not qualifying for a bowl game or your basketball team fading into years of irrelevance, or your swim program in the midst of an Athletic Director sanctioned scandal cover up necessarily have anything to do with conference affiliation. But they all still make the university, AND the PAC look bad.

    Go ahead and stick to your story. Spin away with Navel Vet. It still doesn't bode well that the news adds "Utah suspended" to it's headlines, regardless of what conference or club it's affiliated with. It's all "University of Utah".

  • BlueNtheFace Rancho Cucamonga, CA
    April 3, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    3grandslams: "Things are imploding at the U. Chris Hill is now covering all is bases because this swim thing has him in the cross hairs. This rugby fiasco will also get swept under the rug. Maybe another BYU athlete will go after someone for throwing water ballons, that will keep reporters busy for weeks. Scandal at the U? Meh."

    Post of The Year! Utah's media is just that - "Utah's" media.

  • sls Columbia, MO
    April 3, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    Utah men's soccer is also a club sport and BYU just demolished the U in soccer. This falls right in line with the Deseret First Duel where the utes negotiated high point values for sports where they are semi-competitive and low point values for the rest. In club sports, they suspend the program because it won't look good to lose to BYU.

  • UteNationAlum Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:22 a.m.

    This post really shows the insecurity and immaturity of Cougar fans. "Little Brother" this, "Pac 10.2" that... blah, blah, blah.

    What should really be said is good on you Utah for putting an end to whatever was happening with the Rugby program.

    I have never understood why both sides - Utes and Cougars - attack each other when someone in a program makes a mistake. Like when Davies made a mistake and BYU basketball held him out of the NCAA tourny. Ute fans were quick to jump on that and criticize the program for the mistakes of one individual. GOOD ON YOU BYU for making a player stick to the honor code... and in this case GOOD ON YOU Utes for putting an end to whatever waas going on.

  • That's A Good One Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:35 a.m.

    Except for the first sentence, good comment UteNationAlum. You should have also included "insecurity and immaturity of Ute fans. "Little Brother" this, and "WAC/INDY" that... blah, blah, blah."

    Though your subsequent sentences acknowledge guilt on both sides, you pretty much discredit the whole comment with the first sentence.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:40 a.m.

    @Two For Flinching,

    I would think that the players care very much....and so much other u fans since they read the article and are commenting on it. If they didn't care, they would not read the article.

  • motorbike Cottonwood Heights, UT
    April 3, 2013 11:49 a.m.

    UteNationAlum,

    GREAT comment. There's a lot of silliness on this thread by both Ute fans and Cougar fans.

    Props to the U of U for taking action on whatever's going on despite it being just a club sport.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    My son is in his Sr. Year in High School and was approached by the U of U. They asked him to come out and be part of the Wrestling Club. He has been to about 7 of the practices and I can assure you they only have two things that connect them to the school.

    1. They use the name and colors.
    2. And the aspire to one day be an official sanctioned sport at the U.

    Other than that, they have nothing to do with the school. They have to borrow mat's from High Schools who will let them borrow them. They usually practice at a High School. They also pay for everything through fundraisers, donations or personal funds.

    The Rugby team is the same way. The team could change their name and be on their way but I am sure Hill told them if they wanted to use the U name in the future that they would pull up stakes and cease operations for the year. It's easy to understand.

    My question to both BYU and Utah is why aren't Rugby, Wrestling and Soccer sanctioned sports at these schools?

  • JayDee West Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Quick to hug the PAC 12 banner when it suits you and quick to deflect any semblance of wrongdoing when it discredits the Conference of Champions, even if just by association.

    Yes, we all know it is a club sport and the NCAA is not the governing body, but the university has oversight, hence the quote: "U of U officials suspended..."

    Don't worry though, Commissioner Scott is too busy with a referee scandal to worry about little 'ol Utah (club sport) Rugby. You're safe.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:46 p.m.

    Sid 6.7,

    My question to both BYU and Utah is why aren't Rugby, Wrestling and Soccer sanctioned sports at these schools?

    Because it is law that Public universities have equal sports for both men and women. As for BYU they don't have to follow this law because they are a private university, yet they choose to anyway. BYU actually used to have a good wrestling team.

  • jdub1942 PROVO, UT
    April 3, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    Lot of haters on here (I wont pretend to know what school they cheer for as none of us have any idea). Lots of people who don't care about any sport but football and basketball, yet all of a sudden want to post crap when there is something they can use to attack others. This is of course done in order to hide their own insecurities.

  • sid 6.7 Holladay, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:04 p.m.

    That helps me out jdub. It's too bad because I think both schools could benefit from all of these sports. Oh well it is what it is.

    I am a Utah fan but I say good luck to all Utah schools. From Utah, BYU, USU on down to Westminster. When they do good the State of Utah does good. And I am sure we all want that.

    Thanks for the insight.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:14 p.m.

    @jdub1942

    "As for BYU they don't have to follow this law because they are a private university, yet they choose to anyway."

    I wish that were the case but it is not. Any university that accepts any federal money at all, and that includes federally backed student loans, grants, or other tuition aid, is required to adhere to Title 9. Title 9 is the law that decreed "equality" between the genders in sports although the actual enforcement of it is anything but "equal".

    BYU did once have a good wrestling program, it also has a men's gymnastics program, but they were ended in order to comply with Title 9. The BYU mens soccer program is actually more than a club sport but it does not participate as an NCAA sanctioned sport. It instead plays in a professional league and is funded by the university but because it competes as a pro team it does not fall under the NCAA or Title 9.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    As for the utah rugby team getting scrapped this season, well that is a shame. utah had a good rugby team and now those kids have no opportunity to finish out this year. That is a shame.

  • #1 Champ Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 1:58 p.m.

    Darn shame. I hope the Utes program can regroup in 2015. At first they'll be fine but as the months go by... expect some serious attrition, Utes.

  • Utes-Best Lil Brothers Anaheim, CA
    April 3, 2013 2:36 p.m.

    More frantic and emotional spin from the kids on the hill. We all know that these same crimson bubble dwellers who are frantically trying to distance themselves and the U from Utah's rugby team, wouldn't have hesitated for a second to beat their chests IF the Utes had managed to pull off an upset of BYU in the Wasatch Cup.

    First swimming, now rugby - athletics on the hill are becoming more and more a disgrace.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 3, 2013 2:39 p.m.

    I think that some of you ought to look into what all an Athletic Director really does or is suppose to do at a University. If he is not looking at even the Club teams, he is not worth the money he is being paid. There are others who can watch over these things also. It seems to me that there are a "bunch" of these people who should hit the road at the u due to their oversite of things the past couple of years.

    Stop and think about how much money they make and how many assistant's they have and all one can do is shake your head and wonder what they do all day.

    Some AD's earn their bucks (BYU) while others just want to ride the coat tails of their conference at the expense of the student athletes. How sad!

  • BYUalum South Jordan, UT
    April 3, 2013 3:48 p.m.

    After the swimming fiasco at the U, all one has to do is have an active imagination to see this rugby program swept clean off the mat. Sounds like a scandal of some kind that they are not willing to discuss to anyone, especially on Facebook! I agree; I think the U owes some kind of explanation to their fans.

    Co Cougars!

  • Ernest T. Bass Bountiful, UT
    April 3, 2013 4:57 p.m.

    I bet they could close down all sports because they cheat up their.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 7:51 p.m.

    @ sls

    If that were true, why is basketball worth ten points and gymnastics is worth three?

    @ Real Bass

    Why? I am not involved with campus recreation at all.

    To anyone saying this is a reflection of the conf., the university, or even the athletics department; you are wrong. The rugby team being suspended is really no different than an intramural team being suspended. Campus rec. oversees both.

  • TroyTown Anaheim, CA
    April 3, 2013 8:40 p.m.

    twofer

    "The rugby team being suspended is really no different than an intramural team being suspended."

    Who do you think you're kidding?

    A club team, like the UTAH Rugby team, competes against teams from across the country and is an OFFICIAL representative of the University of Utah. EVERYTHING they do, good or bad, reflects on the entire school, and specifically on Utah's athletics.

    An intramural team represents nobody but themselves.

    Any Utah fan who thinks the suspension of the Rugby team on top of the Swimming abuse scandal doesn't give the entire school another black eye is being extremely naive.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:05 p.m.

    navelvet

    It's all very simple - the University of Utah Rugby program has been suspended by the school for the rest of the 2012-13 season and will miss all of the 2013-14 season because of unspecified player behavior, according to Rugby USA - another Utah athletic program embarrasses the school so disgracefully that Utah won't even discuss the specifics of why it was forced to take such drastic measures.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:07 p.m.

    @ TroyTown

    "....and specifically on Utah's athletics."

    You are wrong. Rugby is not affiliated with athletics anymore than the women's table tennis or quiddich teams are.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:45 p.m.

    twofer

    "Rugby is not affiliated with athletics anymore than the women's table tennis or quiddich teams are."

    You can believe that if it helps you sleep at night, but, I'll bet you've NEVER seen a build up to a Utah women's table tennis match like this write up in RugbyMag:

    "04 APRIL 2012

    Wasatch Cup Could be Game of the Year

    This coming weekend is Rivalry Weekend in D1-A college rugby, and no game is more anticipated, or more important, than BYU v. Utah.

    Both BYU and Utah are undefeated in the West Conference – the Cougars are 4-0 and Utah 3-0 – and neither has really been tested too much in getting there."

    The truth is, besides football, men's basketball, and the Red Rocks, Utah Rugby is the most high profile team on the hill.

    Suspending Utah Rugby gives the entire athletic department a huge black eye. The public couldn't care less whether Rugby is a club sport or an NCAA-sanctioned sport. Like it or not, Utah Rugby still represents the University of Utah.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 3, 2013 9:58 p.m.

    @ Solomon Levi

    How could it possibly give athletics a black eye when it isn't affiliated with athletics? Chris Hill, and his staff, have nothing to do with it. Therefore whatever problem rugby is having is local to only the rugby team. It is not an indication that there is a lack of institutional control in the athletics department. Campus recreation is as closely related to Utah Athletics as the College of Nursing is.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2013 10:11 p.m.

    2fer

    "Rugby is a club sport, just like ultimate Frisbee and fencing."

    LOL at the spin!

    Here's a dose of reality:

    Block U, a Utah Utes community, Jun 6 2010

    "Good news for those who follow rugby, as the Utes beat the top-seeded Cal Bears to claim the first ever USA Sevens Collegiate Championship.

    Utah won 31-26 in overtime on the nationally televised event."

    hmmm, nationally televised event, for a Utah sport that's "just like ultimate Frisbee"?

    It's funny how the article didn't even hint that Utah Rugby was ONLY a "club" sport.

    It was the Utah Utes versus the Cal Bears - big time sport; big time win; big time embarrassment for a school that had to shut down its program because of major behavior issues of its players.

  • Uteanymous Salt Lake City, Utah
    April 3, 2013 10:14 p.m.

    twofer

    "How could it possibly give athletics a black eye when it isn't affiliated with athletics?"

    Because the general public COULDN'T CARE LESS whether Chris Hill or some official in the Utah Recreation Department oversees Utah Rugby - it's a sport played by University of Utah students who officially represent the university.

    Are you really so naive as to believe that 99.9% of fans on the street aren't going to associate Utah Rugby with Utah Athletics?

    Perception is reality, regardless of how much you would like to pretend it's not.

  • Just the FAX Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 3, 2013 10:24 p.m.

    2fer

    We all thought denial was a river in Egypt, but it apparently flows freely from the hill.

    You must buy Dramamine by the case to control dizziness from all of your spin.

    Bottom line, one of the best men's sports teams on the hill was just hit with significant sanctions by the university - sanctions that Utah fans should be lamenting instead of trying to pretend that they don't care.

  • UoU 1991 Park City, UT
    April 3, 2013 10:33 p.m.

    As a Utah alum and fan, I'm embarrassed by what has been happening with Utah's athletic programs recently. First, the swimming coach abusing swimmers in a manner that would make the Rutgers abuse seem tame, if the abuse had been video-taped. And now, Utah Rugby players acting so inappropriately that the entire program is suspended for over a year.

    What's going on up on the hill, Dr. Hill? Is anybody in charge?

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    April 3, 2013 10:52 p.m.

    UU. The Ohio State of the intermountain west. Utah fans must be so proud.

  • WA_Alum&Dad Marysville, WA
    April 3, 2013 11:17 p.m.

    The bottom line is this: do the players on the team have to be current students of the university to play or not? If they do, then it is a black eye to the university whether or not they are a scholarship sport. Why is this so hard for some fans to understand?

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    April 3, 2013 11:45 p.m.

    Swimming, rugby, what's next? Does Utah have to do it the wrong way in an effect to compete? Seems so, yet football and basketball have been simply embarrassing in the PAC.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    April 4, 2013 7:19 a.m.

    It obvious that women's gymnastics and basketball has now become the future of U of U sports. It's time to make a bold statement with the continuing demise of U men sports like football, basketball, and now rugby.

    The timing could not be better. Time to transition the U to just women's sports.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    LOL at the "frantic and emotional" attempts to pretend that the univeristy of utah rugby team does not represent the university of utah.

    LOL!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 4, 2013 9:09 a.m.

    2013 Player Registration
    A $400.00 University of Utah Rugby Club fee will be accessed [sic] per player.

    Coaches
    Blake Burdette-Head Coach
    Camden Burd-Team President
    Rob Kingsford-Development
    Josh Cox-Strength Coach
    Bill Hadfield-General Manager
    Richard J Ingebretsen, MD, PhD-Team Doctor
    Hillary Williams-Trainer
    David Kinikini-Academic & Team Advisor
    Kelsey Price-Information Director & Media Contact

    Seems like a lot of "coaches" for an "ultimate Frisbee"-like team. If the team isn't associated with the U, why do they refer to themselves as the "University of Utah Rugby Club" on their registration form and why, pray tell, 2fer, do they have an Academic Advisor? And, why do they have an "official" student cheering section called the "Rugby Ruckus"?

    Sorry, U can run from this rugby fiasco, but U can't hide. Another black eye for Utah athletics.

  • Oregonian Sherwood, OR
    April 4, 2013 10:56 a.m.

    It appears the majority of the comments are whether the team is sponsored or affiliated with the University of Utah. Read the article - It says "The University of Utah rugby team". Now look at the photos - The jersey's have the University of Utah logo on them. If they call themselves the Univerity of Utah and they wear the logo, they represent the University of Utah regardless of the level of official support. With that said, I am more interested in what happened. That's a harsh penalty for an entire team. One from which may take a long time to recover. Is the University setting things up to drop the sport completely? I hope not.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 4, 2013 10:58 a.m.

    Snack WAC:

    Where are Dr. Hill's or Larry Scott's name on that list? Are you saying that the Athletic Dept. and the Pac-12 have nothing to do with the Rugby team?

    Because you'll get no argument from us on that. In fact, we've been saying that all along; ever since pg 1 of this comment thread.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2013 11:21 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    Nobody has tried to claim that Rugby does not represent the university. Just that they don't represent U of U athletics.

    @ Snack PAC

    Rugby is a popular club team, but they are still a CLUB team. For some reason BYU fans are desperate to tie this to Utah's athletic department and Chris Hill, but they are simply not related.

  • Eddie Syracuse, UT
    April 4, 2013 11:45 a.m.

    I, for one, believe that things run deep when you uncover two or more major things at a university sports program. I would like to see the NCAA come in and do a major scanning of the u. There is something rotten on the hill and it has to run deep. The Athletics department has to be getting tired of running around with their shovels trying to cover up anything and everything that is happening now.

    Add all this to the recent standings in the Pac 10.2 of the Football and Basketball teams and what you have is a devalued university where it will be very difficult to recruit the next few years.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 4, 2013 1:05 p.m.

    RedsNation:

    The comments being made are desparate Indy-WACish attempts to tie the Rugby team to Utah's Athletic Dept. and/or the Pac-12. And that would be a giant FAIL!

    As for myself, I don't know what it is the Rugby team is alleged to have done, but you don't exactly hear me defending the Rugby team against their sanctioning board either. All you hear me defending is Dr. Hill, the Athletic Dept, and the Pac-12, in that they have/had nothing to do with it.

    Now if you'd like to refute that fact, then by all means...let's hear it. If not, then what was the point of your addressing me?

  • Kosta Fesenko Chicken McNuggetville, UT
    April 4, 2013 2:55 p.m.

    Psstttttttttt. Eddie.........your obsession is showing.

  • let's roll LEHI, UT
    April 4, 2013 8:19 p.m.

    Just curious...aren't all these folks focused on telling us the Rugby team has nothing to do with the Athletic Department or the PAC-12 the same ones who've been saying for years that the U was invited to join the PAC-12 because of the Medical School, being a well-regarded "research institution" and numerous other non-Athletic Department criteria.

    If, as they contend, such non-Athletic Department criteria are important in evaluating Universities for potential admission into the conference because they lend to the prestige of the Confernce, it doesn't make sense to argue that the PAC-12 wouldn't worry about scandals impacting sports teams at the U tarnishing the reputation of the Conference, regardless of affiliation with the Athletic Department.

    By their own logic, a scandel at the Medical school would tarnish the PAC-12, as would scandals with the Rugby and Swimming teams. They ought to at least remain consistent in their logic (or lack of same).

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 4, 2013 11:56 p.m.

    @ let's roll

    Yes, there are academic standards to be a member of the PAC-12. There are not club sports standards. I guarantee you this story doesn't even register on the PAC-12's radar.

    The PAC-12 might take interest if there were some sort of mass scandal going on in the academia at the U because it would indicate deep administrative problems which would weaken the profile of the school. However, if that was the case the outside world look at the situation and see that the University of Utah was having problems and was corrupt. It would not reflect well on the PAC-12 only because Utah is a member, but it would not indicate that PAC-12 itself was corrupt.

    Likewise, in the Rugby case, the issue lies with the Rugby team and its coaches. It is not a reflection of how Utah athletics or any other academic program at the U is operated.

  • GO_COUGARS! Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:37 a.m.

    Guys, this is such a huge black eye for utah athletics. Responsible corrective action being taken where it looks like some kids on a club team needed responsible corrective action. It's the only thing they've been talking about on ESPN for days. Huge national story- I'm surprised the Pac12 is letting Utah keep its membership.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 7:13 a.m.

    Duckhunter:

    "LOL at the 'frantic and emotional' attempts to pretend that the univeristy of utah rugby team does not represent the university of utah...LOL!"

    LOL at you! Now that more information had come out, it appears your desparate attempts to align the Rugby team to the U was an epic failure.

    Google "Utah rugby: Future of club team remains uncertain". There it says...

    (1) "The University of Utah rugby program was suspended by the school for the rest of the 2013 season as well as the 2013-14 season after using the university’s name without permission..."

    (2) "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to last year."

    (3) "Rugby Magazine reported that the [Utah] team and players registered with USA Rugby as the Salt Lake City rugby club."

    Well, that's what you get for jumping to conclusions before all the facts are revealed. The "Salt Lake City rugby club" was NOT "represent[ing] the university of utah". They weren't allowed to.

  • backpacn Sandy, UT
    April 5, 2013 8:33 a.m.

    twofer

    "Yes, there are academic standards to be a member of the PAC-12. There are not club sports standards."

    You are so far into denial it's almost painful to observe. If there aren't any academic standards for club teams, what exactly does David Kinikini, University of Utah Rugby Club Academic and Team Advisor do?

    The only reason this isn't a bigger story outside of the Wasatch Front is because the PAC 12 is absorbing an even bigger black eye because of their conference referee scandal. Utah Rugby, like all other athletic programs at the U, outside of the Red Rocks, is small potatoes.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:44 a.m.

    Naval Vet

    LOL at your frantic and emotional spin.

    If the University of Utah Rugby Team wasn't representing the University of Utah, what right would the U have to suspend the team for the remainder of 2013 and the entire 2013-14 season?

    Sorry, but the U can't have it both ways. Either the Utah Rugby team represents Utah, or the U has absolutely no authority to govern any aspect of the team.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    @2fer

    "Nobody has tried to claim that Rugby does not represent the university. Just that they don't represent U of U athletics."

    Actually you did, on page 3 of this very thread. Here's the quote"

    "To anyone saying this is a reflection of the conf., THE UNIVERSITY, or even the athletics department; you are wrong."

    It is obviously a "reflection of the university". That said I think it is to bad and feel bad for the players themselves, utah had a very good rugby club.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 5, 2013 9:51 a.m.

    Reasons for the suspension reported today:

    "Rugby, which is part of Utah's INTRAMURAL sports program, was originally suspended last fall..."

    "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to last year..."

    "The Salt Lake City Rugby Club tried to compete as the University of Utah, which the school deemed to be a misappropriation of its name..."

    Classic! A lot of WACey 'fans' on this thread are wiping egg off their faces right now.

    LOL!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2013 10:31 a.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    The "announcement" is hilarious:

    The UNIVERSITY OF UTAH Rugby program was suspended by the school... blah, blah, blah

    Who cares what they call themselves; the fact is the program is overseen by the school and represents the school when they compete.

    PACyWACey Utah fans who are trying to pretend that the Rugby program doesn't represent the UNIVERSITY OF UTAH are only fooling themselves.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    Solomon Levi:

    "If the University of Utah Rugby Team wasn't representing the University of Utah, what right would the U have to suspend the team for the remainder of 2013 and the entire 2013-14 season?"

    I already TOLD you. Reread my 7:13 am post earlier today. It's right there in #2: "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to..."

    nosaerfoecioveht also pointed out that the Rugby team, "...is part of Utah's INTRAMURAL sports program." That means, as part of the University's intramual sports program, the University DOES own some oversight.

    Had the rugby team been playing as the "Salt Lake Rugby Club" rather than the "University of Utah Rugby Club", there wouldn't have been cause for suspension.

    LOL at YOUR frantic and emotional need to defend the indefensible. That article PROVED that the Rugby team had nothing to do with either Dr. Hill OR the Pac-12, yet here you are, STILL trying to spin it as though it had.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 11:58 a.m.

    @ Duckhunter

    It is clarified in my last post when I said "the issue lies with the Rugby team and its coaches. It is not a reflection of how Utah athletics or any other academic program at the U is operated." If you look to a single club team to form an opinion about an entire institution, you are severely misguided.

    However, with the new information that has surfaced it is apparent that there is absolutely no foul play on behalf of the university or its athletics department. Must be disheartening to all the BYU fans who tried so hard to make this situation into something its not.

    @ backpacn

    There are no club sports standards to be admitted into the PAC-12, such as "let's roll" was implying. Why would I bring up academic standards of a university intramural team?

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Solomon Levi:.

    I love that you and your fellow WACey fans are still so up in arms over an intramural team.

    Simple question for you: If they represent Utah athletics and the Pac 12 as your desperate spin implies, why did they get suspended?

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:15 p.m.

    Naval Vet

    "I already TOLD you. Reread my 7:13 am post earlier today. It's right there in #2: "We were disappointed to learn the club was using the University of Utah mark after they were instructed not to..."

    I read your post, but apparently you're choosing to ignore the obvious:

    The a school that has authority to discipline a program, obviously bears ultimate responsibility for anything that program does, regardless of the name used by the program.

    PROVE, that calling themselves the "University of Utah" Rugby team is the ONLY thing that got them suspended.

    Your frantic and emotional need to disassociate the school from a program that the school administers simply proves how embarrassing this whole situation is to Utah fans.

    Nobody, except Utah apologists, cares whether Dr. Hill oversaw the Rugby program. ANY scandal associated with Utah, reflects poorly on Utah and, by extension, Utah's conference.

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    I love how the PACyWACers are still so up in arms trying to deflect criticism from the embarrassing suspension of an intramural team.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:29 p.m.

    Ok, let me get this straight: The Utah rugby team is part of the INTRAMURAL (as in, only participates within the boundaries/confines of the school) activities of the university, and yet plays various club teams from around the state?

    Yeah, that makes sense (roll my eyes). Nice spin, Utah fans.

    As the article states, the Rugby teams is not sanctioned by the Utah athletics department, but rather is a sports club that falls under the direction of the UNIVERSITY'S Campus Recreation Services.

    So it falls under the direction of the UNIVERSITY.

    That's point #1.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:32 p.m.

    Then there's this gem from the RugbyMag article "Report indicates Utah Rugby Suspended": 'Utah Rugby actually played under a suspension of sorts in the fall. The team and the players were registered with USA Rugby as the Salt Lake City Rugby Club. This was part of a compromise between the University and the team after unspecified violations related to player behavior almost scuttled the 2012-2013 season. Utah played the fall 7s season unofficially as the University of Utah, and their games were reported as being played by "Utah." However in official channels they were Salt Lake City, thus keeping the university and the team at arm's length from each other.'

    So, according to this, the rugby team had already changed its name and distanced itself from the university (even though it STILL FALLS under the University's direction). They play the entire 2012-2013 season and NOBODY has a complaint. So why would they get suspended NOW for mis-representing the university, when they had already changed their name?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:45 p.m.

    It's also interesting to note that Utah has no problem with its rugby program using its name when they're doing well (i.e. inaugural 7's tournament champs in 2010, national champ runner-ups in '02 and '05) but when an incident occurs involving a "school rules violation on a school van while traveling on a SCHOOL-SANCTIONED trip" in May 2012 (RugbyMag, "More on U. Utah woes") the U immediately tries to distance themselves from the program and force the program to change its name, even though it is still under the direction of the University's Campus Recreation Services.

    Bottom line: the rugby teams was a club team under the direction of the university (which is why the University suspended "the University of Utah rugby program", as every report has stated). The name change compromise occurred in May 2012 after the university learned of school violation on sanctioned trip.

    The rugby team apparently fulfilled its end of the bargain and was allowed to play the entire 2012-2013 season...and now we're being made to believe that the program is being suspended because they DIDN'T change their name?

    Either way, it looks bad for the university.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 5, 2013 12:44 p.m.

    @solomon

    If it's so embarrassing, why are you avoiding my question?

    The only thing that's embarrassing is your continued desperation after the facts have come out.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 1:09 p.m.

    I should add re: "Utah rugby is part of the intramural program" that not only does the Utah rugby team play against club teams around the state, it plays teams from around the country, too.

    I can't think of a single intramural squad here at BYU that has played an intramural squad from California. Which makes perfect sense, seeing that intramural means "WITHIN THE BOUNDARIES OF THE SCHOOL" (though I guess, for BYU, the world is our campus, so it would actually make sense for a BYU intramural team to play one from California).

    :)

    Go Cougars!

  • Solomon Levi Alpine, UT
    April 5, 2013 1:19 p.m.

    nosaerfoecioveht

    The answer to your question is self-evident. Any program administered by the University of Utah represents the University of Utah, regardless of the name adopted by the program.

    LOL at how desperately you're trying to save yourself the embarrassment of Utah administering a program that they're too embarrassed to call their own.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 1:53 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    I didn't work for ASUU, so I don't know the budget's individual line item accounts, but I do know that the Athletic Dept's budget is completely separate from the budget allocated to Campus Recreation. Now it's conceivable that the "intramural" program and the "club sports" program would both be allocated through the same Campus Recreation, but would NOT be conceivable that they'd receive any funding from the Athletic Dept. If the Rugby team received funding through Campus Recreation, then THAT would be the entity who would have oversight. It is also conceivable that "club sports" would be a subgroup of "intramurals".

    Now if the "Salt Lake Rugby Club" received funding from the university, the university would own oversight. It was my understanding that the "Salt Lake Rugby Club" was permitted by the university to operate AS the "Salt Lake Rugby Club". But the minute it was discovered that the Rugby team was identifying itself as the "University of Utah Rugby Club", they violated the conditions of their approbation, and was thereby suspended.

    Does that simplify things for you?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 1:59 p.m.

    Solomon Levi:

    "The a school that has authority to discipline a program, obviously bears ultimate responsibility for anything that program does, regardless of the name used by the program."

    I never said the university had no oversight authority. I just said the Athletic Dept. and the Pac-12 had none. Quit trying to change the argument.

    "PROVE, that calling themselves the "University of Utah" Rugby team is the ONLY thing that got them suspended."

    Just read the article. I can't say any plainer than that.

    "Your frantic and emotional need to disassociate the school from a program that the school administers simply proves how embarrassing this whole situation is to Utah fans."

    I did no such thing. I only disassociated the Rugby team from the Athletic Dept. and the Pac-12. Your frantic and emotional need to defend the indefensible is root of all your strawman arguments.

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 5, 2013 2:15 p.m.

    Solomon

    The answer to why they were suspended is self-evident? Makes me wonder why you keep avoiding the question.

    LOL!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 2:26 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Does that simplify things for you?"

    Sure, but I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. I never said that the athletic department was in charge of the rugby team. In fact, I quoted the article that said the rugby program ISN'T sanctioned by the athletic department, but rather falls under the University's Campus Recreation Services.

    My whole point was to show that the University administered the rugby program and, as such, it doesn't look good for the University to have to suspend its entire rugby program.

    It also looks bad, considering that the university had NO problem with the name of the rugby program when it won a championship in 2010 and was the NC runner up in '02 and '05, and yet after "school violations on a school sanctioned trip" in 2012, the university immediately tries to distance itself from the program by having them change their name, when the rugby program is still under the administration of the university.

    The whole thing looks bad for the University.

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    April 5, 2013 2:29 p.m.

    navelvet

    Gotta laugh at how quickly Utah fans are abandoning their Rugby program.

    Looks like somebody needs to update the Utah Utes Wikipedia:

    "The Utah Utes are the athletics teams of the University of Utah. The men's basketball team is known as the "Runnin' Utes"... the women's gymnastics team is known as the "Red Rocks".

    Notable non-varsity sports

    "Utah rugby has been led since 2008 by head coach Blake Burdette, who played for the US national team at the 2007 Rugby World Cup. Utah has consistently fielded one of the top college rugby teams in the country, reaching the national championship game in 2002 and 2005, losing to rivals Cal both times, and reaching the national semifinals in 2006 and 2011. Utah finished the 2010 regular season ranked #2 in the nation. The success of the Utah rugby program has led to commercial success, with Utah rugby securing sponsorships from national companies such as Under Armor and New York Life."

    PROMINENTLY listed as a Utah Utes sports team when they were successful, now suddenly disgraced, and abandoned by Utah fans.

    Laugable!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 2:45 p.m.

    phoenix:

    Does that wikipedia article tie the Rugby team to the Athletic Dept. and/or the Pac-12 as your Indy-WACey brethren are desperately trying to do? No? Well then I don't know what it you're trying to argue.

    "Gotta laugh at how quickly Utah fans are abandoning their Rugby program."

    We aren't abandoning the Rugby program. The University (not the fans) suspended (not abandoned) the Rugby team. Gotta laugh at how desperate our Indy-WACey little brothers are to find something nefarious to pin on their big bros. Laughable.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 2:53 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    You said, "It's also interesting to note that Utah has no problem with its rugby program using its name when they're doing well but when an incident occurs involving a 'school rules violation on a school van while traveling on a SCHOOL-SANCTIONED trip' in May 2012 the U immediately tries to distance themselves from the program and force the program to change its name..."

    First of all, Utah had no problem with our Rugby program using Utah's name when they weren't violating school rules. Not when they were doing well. Utah's Rugby program was doing well NOW, but that didn't stop the university from enforcing its rules.

    Second of all, Utah didn't prohibit the team from playing Rugby after the violation. They just prohibited them from using Utah's name. Once Utah violated that rule, THEN the university suspended the team.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 5, 2013 2:58 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    Now here are some quotes from you fellow Indy-WACers:

    "...all the more reason to sweep it under the rug." -- SamoanYfan

    "This rugby fiasco will also get swept under the rug." -- BlueNtheFace

    So what's interesting is you're complaining when the U DOES hold their students accountable, while other Y fans complain that they DON'T. And its about the same incident.

    "My whole point was to show that the University administered the rugby program and, as such, it doesn't look good for the University to have to suspend its entire rugby program."

    You're acknowledging that the Athletic Dept. and the Pac-12 have no jurisdiction, but seem concerned about Utah's "image problem" over the rugby team's suspension for an internal rules violation. So what YOU have done? Keep in mind that you told the team to NOT use your name, and they did it anyway. So what course of action do you think the university SHOULD have taken?

  • nosaerfoecioveht NSL, UT
    April 5, 2013 3:21 p.m.

    100 comments on an article about an intramural team! Awesome. Solomon you still haven't told me why the team was suspended :)

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 3:43 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Second of all, Utah didn't prohibit the team from playing Rugby after the violation. They just prohibited them from using Utah's name. Once Utah violated that rule, THEN the university suspended the team."

    Exactly, which has been my point all along. The Rugby team violates SCHOOL RULES, and the punishment meted out is that they have to change their name to "disassociate themselves" from the University, even though the University is still in charge of the rugby program?

    Then, when the Rugby team apparently violates their agreement with the University, the University suspends them for that?

    Why not just suspend the whole program in the first place, when the school rules violation happen, instead of going through this whole process?

    Either way, the bottom line is that this whole situation reflects poorly on the university. I hope that they can work it all out, along with the swimming coach issue.

    Go Cougars!

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 5, 2013 4:00 p.m.

    @Naval Vet "So what's interesting is you're complaining when the U DOES hold their students accountable, while other Y fans complain that they DON'T. And its about the same incident."

    Technically, the University DID sweep this under the rug. I don't recall any statements or articles made by the University of Utah back in 2012 when the school violations happened that stated "The rugby program violated school rules. Since they are a club team, and not part of our athletic program, we have asked that they change their name to Salt Lake City Rugby to make it clear that we do not condone behavior like this at the University of Utah" or something to that effect.

    And my issue isn't with the U holding their students accountable. I just think it's funny HOW they've held these students accountable. No REAL punishment for the actual offense, but heaven forbid if the offenders actually associate themselves with the university that administers them.

    Seems kind of hypocritical to me.

    Go Cougars!

  • Snack PAC Olympus Cove, Utah
    April 5, 2013 4:35 p.m.

    navelvet

    Gotta laugh at how desperate the PACyWACers are to draw a distinction between Utah "Athletics" and Utah Rugby, especially since the Utah Utes Wikipedia, with its glowing praise of the Utah Rugby program, didn't even hint at such a distinction, only that Rugby is a non-varsity sport, in other words, a non-scholarship program.

    The irony is NOBODY, except for a few Utah apologist bloggers, even cares. As far as the vast majority of hard core and casual fans are concerned, they read "Utah Rugby team suspended" and immediately assume that Utah Rugby is just as much a part of Utah Athletics as Utah Basketball or Utah Football.

    None of your vain whining will change that perception.

  • Two For Flinching Salt Lake City, UT
    April 5, 2013 5:25 p.m.

    Snack PAC

    "didn't even hint at such a distinction, only that Rugby is a non-varsity sport"

    Uh, that is a huge distinction. And I think you underestimate how many people understand the difference between a club sport and an NCAA sanctioned varsity sport. Granted, nobody from Utah County seems to, but it's a different story outside the bubble.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    April 6, 2013 8:17 a.m.

    Are Utah fans blind?

    "RUGBY IS A CLUB SPORT AND HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH CONFERENCE AFFILIATION."

    "(1) Rugby is not an NCAA sport. It's a "club" sport. Therefore, Dr. Hill has nothing to do with it."

    So you're all saying Utah doesn't care at all about a little ity bitty club sport that sometimes goes deep in tournament play? And many are defending it by essentially saying to slap them on the hand and move on? If a player breaks a rule, he should be punished. Utah fans are turning into other fans of schools like Ohio State, USC, and North Carolina...schools of big programs who get sucked into what the suits say about and don't want to admit that this embarrasses the school for YEARS. Welcome to the PAC Utah...you are just like USC and Oregon...Utah fans are right, they belong in that conference.

  • Duckhunter Highland, UT
    April 6, 2013 8:49 a.m.

    @2fer

    I think the lack of understanding is on those that continue to claim the univeristy of utah's own rugby team, club or not, doesn't represent the university of utah. I understand the desire to claim it doesn't but your "frantic and emotional" protestations simply don't change reality.

    It would be impossible for the university of utah to suspend or punish a rugby team that wasn't it's own. Surely you can "understand" that piece of truth?

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 6, 2013 2:18 p.m.

    truecoug1:

    "The Rugby team violates SCHOOL RULES, and the punishment meted out is that they have to change their name to 'disassociate themselves' from the University, even though the University is still in charge of the rugby program?"

    The Rugby club received funding from Campus Recreation. So do all those intramural sports programs from Greek Row, to LDSSA, to ROTC/NROTC, etc. As long as the university contributes money to an organization, it can set specific parameters within that organization, such minimum GPAs, minimum credit hours taken, members must be U students, etc. When my fraternity participated in intramural football, basketball, softball, etc, were not registered, nor authorized to identify ourselves, as "Univeristy of Utah". Had we started calling ourselves that, we could have been disqualified, and our seasons cut short. "Utah" is a brand that can only be authorized BY Utah.

    "Why not just suspend the whole program in the first place, when the school rules violation happen, instead of going through this whole process?"

    At one point, the Rugby team had permission to use Utah's brand. That was revoked. Why suspend the "Salt Lake Rugby club"?

  • SportsFan Orem, UT
    April 6, 2013 10:30 p.m.

    navelvet

    You quite obviously don't understand the difference between intermural and intramural sports programs.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 7, 2013 9:29 a.m.

    @NavalVet

    Again, I'm not sure what you're trying to prove. The rugby team was not an intramural team, it was a club team (as specified in this article and the Rugby Magazine articles). It fell under the administration of the University of Utah through the Campus Recreation Services department.

    It had been branded as the University of Utah Rugby team since its inception up until this school rules violation in 2012 that happened on a school sanctioned trip. At that point, the school wanted to distance themselves from the program, and instead of punishing the offenders for the school violations, the ONLY punishment meted out is that the rugby program had to change their name, which they did. They were allowed to play all of last season after registering as the Salt Lake Rugby Club Team.

    Now, the school suspends the rugby program for 'violating their agreement' and the rugby coach is shocked, since, to his understanding, they had complied with everything the school had asked them to do.

    So to your question "Why suspend the "Salt Lake Rugby club"? Why indeed. It's weird, because that's what the University of Utah just did.

    Doesn't look good.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 7, 2013 11:01 a.m.

    truecoug1:

    "So to your question "Why suspend the 'Salt Lake Rugby club'"? Why indeed. It's weird, because that's what the University of Utah just did."

    I already told you. I can't say it any plainer. The university revoked the team's permission to use the "Utah" brand, but permitted them to operate as a student club...just like OTHER student organizations (i.e. fraternities and sororities, LDSSA, the Hinkley Institute, and any other student group who receives student funding). But when that sanction was ignored, the university took a different approach...this time suspending the club altogether. I have no idea why that is so difficult for you to comprehend.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 7, 2013 11:14 a.m.

    SportsFan:

    "You quite obviously don't understand the difference between intermural and intramural sports programs."

    Having actually PLAYED both intramural sports AND extramural club sports while a student at the U, I know full well the difference. I just don't know from which subaccount club sports receive their funding. Fret not. I'll always be smarter than you.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 7, 2013 12:00 p.m.

    @NavalVet "I have no idea why that is so difficult for you to comprehend."

    It's not, I understand what you're trying to say. But I think you're having trouble answering my original question. WHY, when the rugby team actually broke school rules on a school sanctioned trip, did the University try to distance themselves from a club team that they still administered? The offenses still happened, and the individuals responsible weren't punished. Instead, they were simply asked to change their name, while still being allowed to play rugby.

    It makes it look like the university was fine with whatever the program did (or, in this case, whatever rules it broke) as long as it didn't officially reflect on the university.

    But the best part is that it doesn't matter if the rugby program had to change its name, it was still being administered by the university. Hence the suspension being handed down from the university, suspending the "university's rugby program" after this supposed breach of confidence in using the university's name (even though the rugby coach said they had done everything the university asked of them).

    It reflects poorly on the university.

  • Cougars1 Bluffdale, UT
    April 7, 2013 1:13 p.m.

    Naval,

    Why is it that you seem to be the only one who doesn't get it? Ever.

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 8, 2013 8:54 a.m.

    truecoug1:

    "I think you're having trouble answering my original question. WHY, when the rugby team actually broke school rules on a school sanctioned trip, did the University try to distance themselves from a club team that they still administered?"

    How should I know? How should ANYBODY know? Nobody really knows what "violation" occurred. I've heard "rumors" that it something to do with alcohol, but consumption isn't illegal for adults over 21. Maybe the university didn't want their "brand" connected to binge drinking -- and that's only assuming that was the problem. The "Salt Lake Rugby Club" does not touch Utah's brand. Student organizations are student run, and funding for student clubs are petitioned thru ASUU. If student clubs binge drink, an no student funding was applied to purchasing alcohol, no violation would have been committed, and thus, there would be no reason to close this club. However, this club violated specific instructions to not associate their club's name to the U, and this violated that clubs approbation.

    And all of the above is based on flimsy rumor. Why don't you and Cougars1 -- who clearly doesn't get it -- wait until more information comes available?

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 8, 2013 4:56 p.m.

    @NavalVet

    Either way, it has not been a good year for Utah athletics. Setting aside the fact that neither the men's football or basketball teams reached .500 on the year, and that they both missed out on the playoffs, here's a few of the issues the university is dealing with (or has dealt with):

    2012: Brian Blechen suspended 3 games for "multiple drug-test failures" for marijuana
    2013: Niasi Leota gets kicked off the team for assaulting his wife in front of their children
    2013: The Ute Swimming coach gets suspended, and subsequently fired, for allegations of sexual abuse with a 15 year old back in 2009. Chris Hill comes under fire for having known about these and other abuse allegations within the swim program, and not doing anything about them. Under investigation.
    2013: UofU rugby program suspended indefinitely for violating apparent agreement with the University to not use the University's name in athletic competition. This agreement came about after the rugby team violated school rules and was punished by having to change its name(? that is still weird to me).

    Like I said before, not a very good year for the U.

    Go Cougars!

  • Naval Vet Philadelphia, PA
    April 9, 2013 8:15 a.m.

    truecoug1:

    Nope. Not a good year for us. Nevertheless, better a bad year in the Pac-12 than an irrelevant year in the [Indy}WAC.

  • truecoug1 Provo, UT
    April 9, 2013 1:23 p.m.

    @NavalVet "Nevertheless, better a bad year in the Pac-12 than an irrelevant year in the [Indy}WAC."

    Ah, poor NavalVet. Wanting so desperately for the U to be considered relevant and for BYU to not.

    Unfortunately, Utah has never been relevant and nobody cares about them. I believe the whole Robert Anae being "mean" to the media got more press than the swimgate cover-up on the hill.

    Why? Because BYU is the big school in town. Even Utah's move to the PAC 12 couldn't change that. The fact that Utah has laid a big egg since being in the PAC 12 hasn't helped their image either.

    BYU has always been the top dog in the state. It drives the ratings, the papers, the radio.

    And it brings out the best in 'fans' like U, Chris B, AZUte, etc.

    Bottom line, BYU is a national brand, while Utah is currently running their football facilities out of a trailer park.

    It doesn't get much more WACky then that.

    Go Cougars!