Has anyone considered that $2.7 million for a library in such a small town might
be a little over the top? This is the fundamental problem of government. In the
private sector, you don't spend that kind of money unless you make that
kind of money. If you take on risky debt, you also risk losing everything. This
should not be any different for public and gov't buildings. Why not start
with a smaller building? The waste in government is embarrassing, and it's
done by all of our good friends who we elect. Maybe it is time to start electing
the more fiscally responsible people rather than the most popular people.
Everyone thank Utahns Congressional delegation for the loss of funds to help our
small communities. And "bored" should find out how much
things cost in today's world.
Remember that the sequestration is supposed to be a reduction in the planned
spending increases by Congress and the Administration. Instead the
Administration has decided that they will still keep all of the planned
increases and cut from other programs that existed before.It's
similar to me saying to the family, "I didn't get a $1000 bonus this
year. The boss only gave me $750. But I'm still going to buy that $1000 big
screen TV for the garage and you kids will have to do without new clothes this
year to make up the difference because we have to cut somewhere."And
we re-elect them to another term.
The "cash cow" from the federal government has existed in a lot of these
"partnership" actions since the early 1970s. It sounds good when the
money was flowing, now the ship of state has pulled back 5 percent and people
are already writhing in pain. They aren't starving and that library is
much larger than the older libraries and fancier.With Internet
access to online resources almost in every home, libraries are still important
but the almost $3M price tag seems it could have been toned down. The Tooele
County has benefitted for decades from the CSEPP dollars that flowed into the
county along with the Army's Chemical Weapon Destruction Program dollars
through the Army and contractors. They will be going through a withdrawal
process as the ships have left and the seagulls are having to change their DNA
to working more and enjoying it less.
Why be surprised? Utah is a mostly Republican state, rich in resources. The
message is clear from the Administration: support the Democratic Party and this
won't happen to you another time.
Somebody tell the people in Grantsville about the internet. The internet has
been killing libraries for years. A bigger selection of resources and it comes
right into your home. As for lost revenue from the Feds, well, this shows why
these lands would be better managed by the state. And then revenues would be
directly collected by the state instead of the Feds instead of being taken out
of the state and redistributed.
Re:"bored"Really? You think $2.7 million for a library of
that size and finishes is expensive? Being in the construction business I can
tell you that is a good deal. It’s not a waste when the public gets
something in return (like a library, school, roads, and higher teacher wages).
What is a waste of money is having the government employ so many people. I have
worked with government agencies and they have anywhere from 3 to 5 people when
the work load could be done by 1 to people!Also, each year a government
department/agency are given so much money. Even if they don’t need it all
they spend ALL of it on things that are Not needed. Why? Because if they
don’t spend it ALL then there budget the next year gets cut and they
won’t have as much money where they need it or not. Flush goes the
tax payer’s money…………
Re: EsquireI believe "bored"'s point was not that the
library itself was not worth the $3M (a big building like that costs a lot of
money) but that maybe a small town of 5 or 6 thousand that is just a few miles
away from another town may not need a library at all and even if it does, there
are cheaper alternatives.The government does not consider those
kinds of factors. They will easily spend massive amounts of money on buildings
that go unused, roads that go nowhere, or services that are not necessary simply
because they derive power from being able to spend it.
Money has too much surface tension, it stick and holds it self until there is
some gravity weight. or some force behind it. Ronald Reign proved that.
Get a grip....Obama is a disaster, he couldn't even buy a house before he
was president without the help of Tony Rezko. Stop treating him lke he is some
financial guru. He got zero votes for his last budget...that's an
"F" where I went to school! ALL OF THIS FEDERAL MONEY IS BORROWED FROM
YOUR GRANDCHILDREN WHO ARE NOT EVEN BORN YET OR HAVE A JOB! It's as if
Obama is reaching into the back pocket of three yr olds and stealing their
money! Some communities will just have to go without....blame it on the DEBT!
Libraries are wonderful places, however modern libraries have morphed into
something akin to an amusement park from the previous from pillars of education
and fountains of knowledge that they once were. To me, building a library makes
about as much sense as putting in new hitching rails along main street. I think that the financial troubles being ballyhooed for political
reasons are misdirected when blamed on the wages and benefits of workers The
real reason for the financial mess is the business corruption of our civic
leaders in the construction of dubious civic needs, like libraries, theatres,
Utopia, unjustified public transportation, and a million other scams. If only our civic leaders would provide the government services that people
really need rather than those that the unscrupulous say that we need, we could
get by on a lot less government and a lot less taxes/
JoeCapitalist2“The government does not consider those kinds of
factors. They will easily spend massive amounts of money on buildings that go
unused, roads that go nowhere, or services that are not necessary simply because
they derive power from being able to spend it.”I assume that
the government you refer to is the local government. The Grantsville library is
being built by businessmen at the behest of the local civic leaders.
Truth. I don’t know if President Obama is a friend and savior
to the American people. But it seems that he is the enemy of the businessmen
controlling our national government, and the enemy of my enemy is my friend.
As one of the American people I am well aware of the nature of the
people who support business profits over the welfare of the American people.
To: JoeCapitalist: The population of Grantsville is about 10,000. The City
has had a library for many years, but it was housed in other buildings which
were shared by other government offices (most recently the City's Offices).
Great cities have great libraries. The building is very nice
(grand opening on April 13), and will serve as an important community resource.
Even at a national level, Republicans are realizing that being the party of
opposition isn't and hasn't worked outside enclaves of religeous
conservatives like Utah and the south. The American people need to realize that
the 1% are focused on increasing their piece of the pie not on expanding access
to the American dream. They maintain their power by owning the political process
of the country. They buy the election of both Democrat and Republican
politicians who once elected have only one job, getting re-elected, and have to
fund their ever increasing campaign costs by serving the needs of the 1% without
raising too much moral outrage among the 99%. The solutions are simple get rid
of professional politicians, lobbyists, PACs, and take the election process away
from the 1% and the media industry. Revise all government spending based on
cost/benefit values. If you get rid of massive advertising in elections the
elections would then be covered by media as news or features. It is ridiculous
to pay retirements and benefits to politicians when they are by definition temp
I believe Tooele is a county that votes more Democrat than Republican. Also,
the heavy spending states with public money are run by Democrat politicians with
enabling act included in their money bills.
I don't Understand How Sequestration Affects Mineral Royalty Payments. If
The Agreement Between The States And The Fed Is To Return A Certain Percentage
Of Mineral Royalties, Why Should Problems The Federal Government Is Having
Grantsville got the benefit of the Wal-Mart Distribution center instead of
California due to Utah non-union state. Larry Miller's big race track was
about $100M so $3M for a library is a small amount. Tooele has a great wireless
Internet system so a cable doesn't have to be laid or hung to get a great
resource for the library. Federal legislators just don't have
a concept that the money machine has to be managed. When their two years in
office are half-over, they are already campaigning for their next run. Even
long-term Representatives have been voted out. Some districts are so small
geographically for some due to the large population centers that those districts
have a new agenda with realigning every 10 years.
O’ Donoghue’s article is completely inaccurate in regard to the
financing of the new Grantsville City Library. The Grantsville Library was
financed via the Tooele Redevelopment Agency from part of money from the sale of
the old Tooele Army Depot that was closed in the 1990’s. The revenue was
supposed to be used to create community improvements to somewhat off set the
loss of the employment. The library was built not only to hold books, which it
does very nicely, but it also as community center with conference rooms and
technically up to date classrooms that will be used by the local USU Tooele
campus and for other worthy purposes.The library’s financing
had nothing to do with mineral revenues or loans from Utah Div. of Oil, Gas, and
Mining. While the article may have some merit, it had nothing to do with
Grantsville’s new library.Tom TrippGrantsville City
Utah Division of oil, gas and mining should re think the use of these resources.
It is nice to have brick and mortar buildings as something to point at but in
the areas where the growth is would be target areas to be developed.Duchesne county is one of the lowest paid group of teachers in the state.
They are asked to educate the children of the workers in the oil and gas fields
so the population and numbers in each class are high and the teachers are paid
less.Duchesne county has 2 swimming pools that are older than dirt
and are only operated during the summer months. No recreational center for
winter months. Duchesne and Uintah counties have more natural
resources that could be developed but this state is too busy with its hand out
to the feds. Utah needs to build its own pipeline to provide thousands of jobs
but the short sighted state politicians do not have that on their radar
scope.With the current leadership in Utah this state will continue
to be a welfare state taking out more fed funds than it puts in.