USU grad's career plans back on track
He could of returned home between 18 and 19 years of age. Filled out the papers
and come back on a legal student visa. (front of the line 2 months to 6 month
wait)So he did not do every thing he could. Who's social
security number did he use, who's ID? What about his i-9 perjury? or the
felony the people that hired him committed? How many people turned their heads?
The AP has an article about the other side of the issue. The story
of Candida L. Gutierrez who had her identity stolen. I hope the Deseret news
reports it. It's an eye opener.
We the people need some data. Does the deferred action program result in a net
plus for us taxpayers, or is this yet another government program adding to out
defecit spending (welfare, emergency room visits, etc.). I don't believe
we can expect Mexico to bail us out anytime soon.
Snow Board Instructor, two higher education degrees with offers coming in--Oscar
has had way more opportunity than many of us native US citizens ever get. I
could barely afford to ski once a year at Beaver Mountian (where Oscar works no
less) when I was going to school in Cache Valley, and with two engineering
degress (and higher grades) behind me, I am out of work once again--with no
offers coming in for years at a time. It seems like all the non-citizens and H1B
visas (I design ICs)have a huge advantage over native citizens, even in our own
country; and I did not even get into the outsourcing of jobs to other countries.
It is really stacked against the white guy (who does not happen to be a business
executive, doctor, or lawyer) in this country right now--as this article amply
demonstrates as well.
Nosea - Read the article. Oscar made his own opportunities. He works at the
mountain, which gives him a ski pass, just like every other employee that works
there. Those jobs don't pay much, and they're pretty easy to get -
because they don't pay much. He left his family behind to get
an education. He paid his own way through school by working. He started his own
businesses. He contributes to his community. Nobody gave Oscar anything. He
earned every opportunity he was "given". You should be
inspired by this story of grit, determination, hard work, and the will to
succeed. Oscar Marquina is EXACTLY the kind of person who America should
welcome. America wasn't built by whiners. This country was
built by men like Oscar Marquina who didn't sit around waiting for somebody
to hand them a future - they made their own future. I suggest you learn from
Oscar Marquina, quit whining, and get busy doing.
AlexD:I would argue I have way more grit than you or Oscar, and a
lot less opurtunity in my native nation than Oscar now has. With 16 patents and
17 years in analog IC design, including 10 at Intel, and I am out of work again
so that H1B visas and foreigners can get these jobs. I recently interviewed in
five different states and the average foreigner to native citizen ratio I would
estimate at 85%; and hiring managers were closer to 95%. Obviously, I am not
getting any offers, just as construction workers walking on to a job site that
has 85% hispanics will walk away without a job also--there is an innate bais
among these groups. It has nothing to do with grit, rather foreigners favoring
their own now that they have reached a critical mass.
AlexDIs it OK to get ahead in life by breaking the laws? That's
not grit. He took plenty from the taxpayers, from $8-9000 per year for schooling
in New Jersey, to $6000 per year for college, paid for by the taxpayer. He took a job from another student or minimum wage earner illegally, he
committed perjury for each job he took on 1-9 forms.Who's social security
card did he use? If paid cash, he was breaking tax laws. Does the end justify
the means? We need to look at these sympathy pieces, and stop
turning our head at the harm done to America and it's people. Search the
persons name that I posted earlier. It's an AP story, it's a lesson on
about the other side of the illegal immigration story.
People seem to forget that this is an illegal power grab by an unethical
president.The President lacks the power to regulate immigration through
Executive Order.But hey, amnesty's popular so why not?And Nosea
above points out the clear problem here; we are importing cheap labor to compete
with our own workers and students. And rewarding them with amnesty. That makes
no sense at all.PS- Please add this term to the Newspeak Dictionary.
Deferred action = amnesty. It sounds so much nicer.
Oscar's grit, determination and intellect should/could be used to improve
life in his country of origin. I agree with the others who asked
the real questions and issues here: Whose SSN did he use? Who were the employers who hired him illegally? Why aren't they
punished?How many US citizens didn't get a job because he
"took" it?He must have committed fraud when filing employment
papers?He has committed multiple illegal acts.If businesses in our
country would just stop hiring these people...we wouldn't have as much of a
problem, would we?!
I love how everyone chooses to focus on the immigrant as the source of the
problem of cheap labor, instead of looking at the employer who hires that
immigrant, so they don't have to pay a living wage. If you want
to work a job paying minimum wage or below, with no job security and no
benefits, you can. Because the people who offer those jobs really don't
care a whit about your skin color or ethnic background. There are PLENTY of
these jobs. If you want one of those jobs, you can have one. But Americans
WON'T take those jobs. (And the argument about whether anybody should be
running a business expecting to pay people less than a living wage, is a whole
'nother discussion.)Again, read the story. Oscar PAID HIS OWN
WAY through college. He owned and ran HIS OWN BUSINESSES.
Nosea - I suspect your inability to get hired has less to do with the ethnicity
of the hiring manager, and more to do with the very visible chip on your
shoulder. And, if you're not getting any offers, why don't you do what
Oscar did, and start your own business? Quick story: Every morning
at around 7 a.m. on my way to work, I pass a local Home Depot. And every
morning, including Saturdays and Sundays, there is a crowd of men waiting on the
sidewalk outside, hoping to pick a day of work doing whatever. Do
you want to know how often I have seen a Caucasian face in this crowd? Never.
On the other hand, on just about every ramp on or off I-15,
including 500 yards from this spot, there's someone with a cardboard sign
begging for a handout. These people are almost never NOT Caucasian. Go ahead... connect the dots.
"AlexD" You bring up several points that I hope I can respond
adequately to.How would you like to be a contractor trying to
compete with the another contractor who just showed up at home depot and hired
his crew for $6.00 per hr while you were trying to pay your guys the exorbitant
wage of $12.00 per hr.? Doesn't this give contractor A an unfair advantage
over contractor B? Especially when contractor b is trying to obey the law?
Hiring illegal aliens IS against the law BTW, even its never enforced.How come its o.k. that all the workers in the parking lot are hispanic? If I
invite 11 million workers from Thailand for instance, should our nation be
required to provide them free social services so they can "do the jobs we
won't do"?How is it fair for some ethnic illegal aliens to be
here, but others aren't?MANY folks have written on this
comments section about how they lost their job,and or identity to illegal
aliens.Isn't it time we just enforced the laws we already have so
that ALL can have equal opportunities at citizenship?
AlexDI am a legal immigrant from a Latin American country. I
waited, paid my money, took my tests, and came here legally. Are you saying I
should have taken the easy way that you advocate and come here illegally?I love it when native-born Americans like AlexD are pro-illegal
immigration because they know absolutely nothing about it. But the bottom line
is illegal immigration is a slap in the face to every one of us who came here
So......."Oscar" is trespassing, and helping himself to all the services
legal taxpayers are entitled to and become successful at it?Are we
supposed to be impressed?Rationalizing illegal behavior DOESN'T
make that behavior legal. Regardless of how much we value hard work.The bigger issue though is that our elected officials are putting law-breakers
(as alluded to here by other posters) AHEAD of legal U.S. citizens'
Great to see a story of a hard working, highly educated person like Oscar
working extremely hard to make it. Why does it have to be so hard for willing,
skilled, and talented immigrants to positively contribute to organizations and
the U.S. economy? It just doesn't make sense -- especially when they are
trained by our very own universities. Great work, Oscar. Keep plugging away!
Oscar is an amazing person with an incredible story. Way to go Oscar! I admire
your courage in the face of adversity. You're highly educated and you are
business savvy enough to create jobs as well. I can't think of anyone more
qualified to call themselves an American. It is people like you who will help
drive the American machine to its industrious glory once again. You have my
support and blessing. Keep up the great work.
Fitness Freak - That is a valid question and one you should address to the
contractors, not to me, or any of the people willing to work for those wages.
Who said it was "ok that all the workers in the parking lot are
hispanic"? Not me. I made an observation. I didn't pass a value
judgement. Who said it was "ok for some ethnic illegal aliens to
be here, but others aren't?"? Not me. Nobody loses their
job to an illegal immigrant. They lose their job for a variety of reasons, but
if an employer fires a legal resident *in order to hire* an illegal resident to
replace that worker more cheaply, who is at fault here? The employer who wants
cheap labor at any price, or the worker who is ready and willing to work?How is it fair to blame the person who is willing to work, even at the
risk of exploitation, and not blame the exploiter? "Oscar"
didn't "help himself" to anything. He created his opportunities and
contributed to his adopted country.
So his parents smuggled him in at the age of 15 and now he has 2 degrees.It doesn't matter that he left his family in another state to attend
college because many students do the same.The key questions should be:1. Does Venezuala have no need for people with his degrees?2. Why has he
never returned to Venezuala and applied for legal entry?3. Has he used
false documentation to attend school or hold a job?
"Alex" I think we agree on something.Yes, employers SHOULD
be the ones where immigration enforcement starts. Most of us who have been
asking/begging the federal government for years to do their job have put
employers first and foremost as the culprit.Border security
(fences)really are just a secondary enforcement measure.Some of us
get nervous when political parties talk of a "new" law; when in
actuality there's nothing wrong with the "old" law, except it
doesn't get enforced!
The U.S.A. is has been a better country throughout our history because of
people like Oscar. Venezuela has a tremendous amount of highly intelligent and
educated people who have been stifled by the regime of Hugo Chavez. Why are
there so many cumbersome barriers of bureaucratic red tape that keep these
wonderful people from coming here legally? We have failed to control our borders
and to implement a reasonable immigration plan. What happened to our successful
Guest worker program? Why do we point the finger of blame at immigrants instead
of at our own government?
There are no jobs Americans won't do at a fair price. People who come here
illegally undercut our wages, giving the impression that we won't work
those jobs. In the last 30 years the illegal alien has moved off the farms,
taking skilled middle class jobs. They are replacing American citizens with
their cheap labor. Utah could pass a E-verify law with penalties,
including pulling the companies business license. The US Supreme court has
already made this possible. Why don't we have it? Because the powerful
business lobby, including the Salt Lake chamber is OK with people taking your
jobs. They have no compassion for the American worker. Their God is greed. Instead of compassion, they come up with a "Utah Compact" that
undermines the rule of law through subtly deceitful propaganda, in an attempt to
provide more cheap labor for Utah's greedy businessmen.Oscar's work ethic is commendable, but he broke multiple laws. Do we
really need another smart multiple felon that doesn't follow our laws?
I believe that a truly honorable, upright, honest man would recognize the sin
his parents committed in bringing him here illegally. He would take his
degree's, go home to his country of legal residence and 'put his
shoulder to the wheel' to make it a better place for his future posterity.
Knowing the importance of not breaking up families, he would take his entire
family with him.Future generations would think fondly of Uncle Oscar when
singing the words of a beloved hymn "do what is right let the consequence
follow." Generations upon generations would reverence him as a man of
courage and integrity and call his name blessed.
Committing felonies does not alarm this paper?
You can comment on anything just don't criticize the bias of the Desert
News on this subject. There is no open debate on that subject even though it is
civil dialogue--the censors won't allow it. This bias, among others, is
why I stopped my daily subscription and really the only reason I subscribe at
all is to get the Church news. Your bias shows on lots of subjects--you
absolutely will not present the other side.