I'm glad a church decided to revitalize a city.
Somebody had to. Downtown was getting very seedy.
J-TX: Downtown was a lot more seedy in the 70s.
"revitalized"? I keep hearing "The area was blighted" in defense
of a church spending 3.5 Billion dollar facility to honor materialism and upper
middle class consumption. The area was not blighted or seedy. It created low
wage jobs and many of them were just transfered from other shopping facilities.
Downtown is the best! This is a great addition and a move from the strip mall
“One, two, three—let's go shopping!”
Exactly why SHOULDN'T the LDS Church redevelop its commercial properties
using its commercial funds--none of which are derived from tithes and all of
which are taxed?
I agree with Ernest T. Bass
@ sigmund5. I love the false statements about this being a 3.5 Billion dollar
facility (shopping mall). I hear all the time about this being a 3 to 6 billion
dollar Mall. The fact is it was under 2 billion. Plus people seem to forget that
is the cost of City Creek as a whole; which includes 4 large condo buildings
that are 10-30 floors, New and remodeled office space/buildings, tons of new
parking for everything. Plus all of the underground work that th public
doesn't see. The fact is that the mall/shopping area its self is well under
500 million. For its sizes and features its not bad when you compare the cost to
other shopping centers in the country. This is much better than the old crappy,
empty mall that was there before.
I'll bet Rocky is just beside himself. He didn't want the Main Street
Plaza and he didn't want the Skybridge. What he wanted was more bars.
Well, they got more bars at the airport, which is disgusting because you have a
hard time finding a good place to eat unless you like Mexican or McDonalds. But
there's no shortage of bars now in the airport. Booze is king there, along
with smoking rooms, which most airports have eliminated.But I
digress. City Creek is truly world class and I enjoy the place every time I am
there. It is an exciting place to just meander about and then grab a bite to
eat. I do have a suggestion: Better signage is in order to direct
folks to the Key Bank Building elevators, however. Finding those is a chore,
especially from the food court.
@toosmartforyou"Well, they got more bars at the airport, which
is disgusting because you have a hard time finding a good place to eat unless
you like Mexican or McDonalds."I don't get it. Those bars
serve food too right? You can't eat at a place that serves alcohol?
City Creek is "nice", but it's not NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, San
Diego or even Seattle "nice". Too many people, especially kids hanging
out like they have nowhere else to go...come to think of it, they don't
have anywhere else to go around here. When you go to these other cities, 9 out
of 10 shoppers are carrying bags of big ticket items around City Creek,
it's like 2 out of 10 during non-dining hours...we have a long way to go
before SLC is taken seriously as a destination.
@ LivinLarge-If you don't like this city and feel better about the other
cities. I will help you pack your bags. No problemo.Most people
around here don't want to be NYC, Chicago, LA, Boston, San Diego. We enjoy
our lower crime rate, slower pace, non-artificial movie star glorifying
locations.I guess Californias feel the same about their home state,
since they like to move from that debt hole and head to the surrounding states.
The trouble is, they want to continue the exact same destructive habits that
they had in California. Spend more, borrow more, increase entitlements, tax more
thinking if they just do more of these programs than they did in California;
then everything will work out this time....
The question could be did downtown salt lake need revitalisation more than
Syrian refugees need assistance? I know, there are all kinds of reasons,
discussions and rationalisations as to how and why the church was right to build
a shopping mall and it's really nice and the church probably is helping
syrian refugees but I have to ignore or weasel my way around my conscience to
wander city creek while much of the world suffers and I suspect a lot of other
people do, too. It's OK, it's how we exist as human beings and I do it
all the time, and churches sometimes help us do it. The practical side of
me suggests the question is whether or not this thing will be a moneymaker. Free
from the responsibility to shareholders, the church won't tell us one way
or the other but let's recognise that private money isn't building
these things anymore, and people that wander and look don't help shops pay
I just wish City Creek was would welcome all people.
I was very disappointed going to City Creek. I love the intent of the mall and
who built it. But the mall seems to only cater to 1) Big $$$ or 2) Big Credit
$$$. I am a male who doesn't need new shoes, a handbag, or the latest
fashion. I can't afford a Rolex or most of what Tiffany's sells.I bought some chocolate for my gal, a Gyro, and cool wrapping-paper from
a paper place. Aside from Deseret Book the place was WAY outside of my price
range. They need at least a few other options for economic variety alone!
Utes11: Who wasnt isnt welcome there?
Utes11 is referring to that tired old accusation that gay individuals or those
with tattoos are kicked out of City Creek. People still try to spread this
rumor, for a whole variety of reasons, but it's an absurd and false
City Creek is good for SLC and a great business venture by The Church.
I agree w/ Sigmund5.Re: onevote on 3/22 @ 8:37 aYeah.
Why would you need to go someplace where you don't need to pay for parking
& has useful shops?re: LivinLarge on 3/22 @ 11:33 a"...we have a long way to go before SLC is taken seriously as a
destination"But, but, conference weekend is approaching.
Oh yes: whenever I find myself in need of a tie or a belt, I hop a plane to
L.A., NYC, Seattle, or Boston. And I like to visit Hong Kong whenever I'm
in the mood for a new suit. (sarcasm off) The trouble with people pointing their
noses straight up is that nostril views are unbecoming.
@toosmartforyou" It is an exciting place to just meander about and
then grab a bite to eat. "Actually that roughly was my
experience there. It's quite a nice looking place, I meandered around for a
while looking for a particular item, found no store sold any of that type,
determined this mall was generally useless, and then grabbed a bite to eat
(except elsewhere since I had prior dinner plans with friends but I trust that
City Creek at least has decent food options). So so far I've bought a total
of $0.00 from there.
Supporting Syrian refugees or other impoverished people around the world is a
noble goal. From an individual perspective, you may be right in thinking it is
more noble to support such causes than it is to go shopping, particularly for
higher end goods. From the supplier's perspective, they need to invest in
income generating ventures in order to assure a continued flow of cash that will
allow them to do good in the world.
Hutterite:City Creek is a for Profit Venture... meaning that that
for every dollar put in, more than one dollar will come out. Long term, this
means that more money, not less, will be available for other causes the church
wishes to put its resources into. Hope that helps.
"That corner is also the home of The Chalk Garden, locally owned high-end
fashion and jewelry that first made its name in Trolley Square more than three
decades ago and opened during the past year."In the 1960s, I
remember shopping at The Chalk Garden located on East South Temple. It was a
high-end shoe store. When was Trolley Square developed? I thought it was in
Chango: Hutterite knows exactly how it works. And which buttons to push.
That's Hutterite.(DN: You allowed ctylem and disllowed mine?