I respectfully suggest that if they really want to play and continue playing,
they consider playing from tip-off to final buzzer, not just half or 2/3rds of
the contest and thinking they can pull it out. They've had some tremendous
losses by just not playing like they really wanted to be on the court or to win.
And they have occured early in the first half and at the final 2 minutes.
Unfortunately that is a recipie for watching tournaments, not participating in
Will we even get the NIT invitation? I am not convinced that it is a sure thing.
Utes get last laugh...again. Cougs fail disappointingly pathetically...again.
News flash: The Jimmer has moved on. And no one was left to carry the load
because each player was looking fir the other guy to do it. Sadly, no one did.
Part of the problem at the end of the season is the lack of real competition
prior to the conference. They beat too many teams with Eastern, Southeastern,
Northeastern etc. in their names to gain the experience needed at the end.
This goal of a 20 win season each year creates a need for an easy schedule. BYU
played 10 of these teams to get 10 of their wins but that did not toughen them
for the WCC and may hurt their NIT chances. Gonzaga oly played five of these
type of teams.
I saw 2 things in last night's game. First, no one looked like they wanted
to play or even be there. Poor guard play and no one else showed up except for
Davies. The next thing I saw for the first time this season was a real lack of
coaching to win by Coach Rose. He just kept doing the same thing and expecting a
different outcome. I saw no adjustment to anything during the entire game. I am
a Coach Rose fan but last night started me thinking about the general problem
with both the football team and the basketball team this year, lack of quality
coaching in key situations. Is this where the Cougars are headed to in the
future, one and done?
While I am disappointed in the loss that missing the big dance, going to six
NCAA tournaments in a row and winning 25 or more games in each of those seasons
is a remarkable achievement. This is accomplished by a remarkable coach.Coach Rose has landed some very good players for the coming years. I see
a final four in three years...
Too bad BYU-Alpine wasn't able to compete. The results would have been much
Under the circumstances, Dave Rose would be better served by getting outside his
comfort circle and with his assistants beating the bushes for some athletic kids
who can board and shoot. This team has more kids that either hit their ceiling
at the JC level or should have been enjoying their first two years at a JC, more
than half of this years Cougars are not talented enough to be playing at this
level. I'm convinced the team is made up of great kids who will all
graduate eventually and that Rose is the best person to be in this position, but
if anymore evidence is needed to convince anyone that this team has only 2-3
kids who should be starting, they got a massive dose of proof in Vegas.
Disappointing end for a disappointing year. I recall getting made fun of for
saying that this years team was a twenty win team. Looks like that prediction
was pretty close to fact. May next year be brighter.
FlatlanderBYUs OOC schedule was actually pretty hard. They just
didn't win the hard games...
If they get any invite, it's one and done.
The team this year just showed a complete lack of competitiveness. they just
looked like they didnt want to be there. I agree with the less than quality
coaching calls. San Diego was destroying our zone defense and we rarely tried
man to man or a different zone scheme. Execution all around was depressing to
watch not only in this game but for the entire second half of the season. I dont understand why Sharp was used less and less as the season went on. he
was a stud this year but was seriously under utilized. as was Winder. our best
on ball defender and he barely played even after his ankle was doing better. Honestly, i am glad zylstra is graduating, just like Riley Nelson, Zylstra
hurt the team more than helped it. if we get selected for the NIT, they better
put a fire under the butt or they will be one and done there too. lets hopeGo Cougs!
"Coach Rose has landed some very good players for the coming years. I see a
final four in three years..."Why do this to yourself? It's
perfectly fine to be optimistic, but there's a reason byu leads the nation
in Tourney appearances without ever reaching The Final Four.Set
reasonable expectations, instead....How about, competing more competitively with
Saint Mary's for 2nd-place in the wcc, for instance?
The talent level of some players on the roster appears to me to be a problem.
COUGS did not have a bench that they could rely on and get immediate help all
season long. They could not guard the perimeter. Bottom line is they need
@The Rock,Could you please stop with the predictions? It's
precisely those kinds of silly and mindless predictions about final four,
national championships, etc, etc, that cause so much pain and anguish to us fans
when they don't come true. Is it any wonder that the likes of Chris B,
ETB, Mildred of Filmore, Naval Vet, 54-10, and others despise us? Can't we
at least wait until we actually accomplish real success against meaningful
competition consistently before we start pounding our chest? Actually, I prefer
that we don't even predict anything, that we just let our team play do the
talking. So please stop it! You can't keep feeding the trolls with posts
like that. Even so, good luck to our Cougars in the NIT if they
get an invite! Not sure if that's even a given at this point.
What a bunch of lame comments! How do you compensate for the losses of Rogers
and Collinsworth? Chris Collinsworth was a starter before his mission, and
Rogers had excellent potential as a perimeter shooter. We sorely needed
these skills to field a real competitor on the starting five. Hawes has drawn
double coverage all season and still lead the league in scoring. Kid is
exhausted by now.
Hartsock, Abouo, Harrison, Rogers, Collinsworth, were on a very good team last
year. They were not here this for different reasons. A huge turnover of very
good players. This is not sour grapes as much as reality. Too bad
Brandon Davies could not have been surrounded by a better cast, especially a
strong power forward to man the middle with Brandon. That was suppose to be
Chris Collinsworth. Stephen Rogers who have really helped with the perimeter
shooting.The offense generated plenty of solid shots but the team could just not
deliver. The outside shooting is a worry for next year. The middle
even with the loss of Davies could be stronger. I believe Mitka is as
advertised. I also believe he could have helped this year.Disappointing year, but things will get better.
Utes get the last laugh??? Licking our wounds aside, the Utes still ARE the
last laugh. Who woulda thought this idea might give me comfort - no matter how
disappointing this season has been, at least it wasn't like Utah's.
The Utes get the last laugh? Where will the Utes be playing after the season is
over? Oh, ok, nowhere. Just like your football bowl game.Try
AZUTE1"...there's a reason BYU leads the nation in Tourney
appearances without ever reaching The Final Four."Remind us how
many Final Fours the Utes have been to since the Tourney expanded to 32 teams in
1975.For all of your chest-beating, the Utes have only won more than
2 games in the Big Dance TWICE since that pathetic 1944 season.
The moon has set on LadyMoon--"Utes get the last laugh?" . . . Who is
laughing at who? The Utes were beaten by those sorry Cougs and the Utes were
5-13 in conference and a losing record overall. In sports you get what you
earn, that's why they play the game and Utah did earn the last laugh.
The loss of Collinsworth and Rogers had a big impact on the season.
Collinsworth would have given the Cougars another big rebounder and inside
scorer. Rogers would have provided an excellent outside shooter. I think the
difference this season, without them, is conservatively four or five wins
instead of losses. We would not have lost to St. Mary's twice. we may
even have been able to beat Gonzaga at home, and no way would we lose to San
Diego twice. The difference between second place in the conference, and winning
25 or more games, getting an at-large NCAA invitation, vs. the NIT would make a
big difference in how Cougar fans view the team this year. Rose did very well,
given the limitations he had for starters and rotation.
Reality check: Except for some late game heroics and a little luck, BYU could
have had 2 embarrassing losses to Utah and Utah State on BYU's home court.
So all this thumping on the chest saying, "at least we're not as bad as
Utah doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Truth is our basketball team
really is no better than Utah or Utah State. Both of those games could have just
as easily gone the other way.So BYU fans, you can lower yourself and
denigrate your rivals' basketball teams but the fact is, there really
isn't any difference between the teams, at least not this year.
LadymoonedThe longest string of PAC 10.2 conference wins for the
Utes is TWO. I do believe I'm laughing last.
"as was Winder. our best on ball defender and he barely played even after
his ankle was doing better. "Another "the grass is always
greener" comment.Did you watch the game Friday night? When
Winder was in the game, where was he on defense? Key to defense is put yourself
between the basket and the man you're guarding. When Winder was in the
game in the first half, he was not in that position. He was behind the man he
was supposed to be guarding.Best on ball defender? Um. No.
sammy- so after the 2 in a row you're laughing about, that put the Utes in
the "10" so is the .2 OSU and WSU? NOW I get it. Your little joke to
yourself about .2 is just a way of saying who is in the last two spots of every
athletic season. Right. It's a way for you to remember, kind of like
putting a string on your little finger? Might just be easier to say PAC 12 like
the rest of the world, but whatever makes you smile, I'm all for staying
off of meds.
We best plan for an early exit from the NIT. Maybe more hope for us if we go to
the CBI. So the only chance to go to the big dance was winning the conference
tournament and the senior on the team says they didn't come out with enough
desire or confidence or energy, or whatever he said? This is why they
aren't a championship team. Besides not know about the basics of blocking
out.Which brings up another question - didn't they hire a big
man coach? Why hasn't he taught the bigs how to block out?
Postseason play is a good accomplishment. It's better than staying home.
I saw enough good in this Cougar team to believe that they can do well in the
NIT, if they get a decent draw. It didn't help to lose to USD, but there
is still a shot at some post-season glory for Davies---who really deserves it.
Just say no to the NIT. Winning a game or two in the NIT won't change the
fact that BYU isn't a very good team.Maybe Davies can play
overseas next year. I wish him well, but I won't miss him.
JoseywalesNo, you have it all wrong. I created the
little PAC10.2 poke at the Utes over two years ago when it was obvious that the
Utes and the Buffs were an afterthought to the big 16 superconference fiasco
that the PAC10 tried to do.It's pretty clear that both the Utes
and Buffs do not participate monetarily as full members and athletically... well
you know the story or do I have to explain that too?But thanks for
asking and I do smile every time someone uses PAC10.2Get it now?
LOLWow #10, U're awesome.
" ... Is it any wonder that the likes of Chris B, ETB, Mildred of Filmore,
Naval Vet, 54-10, and others despise us? ... "Who cares what
these pretenders think about anything??
"Who cares what these pretenders think about anything??"You,
Tom, and the dozen or so other pretenders on every article.
Very interesting. Zylstra was the only Cougar to quote? The guy that was MIA the
entire season? They guy that talks about lack of effort and personified it?
Utah State @ BYU will be a first round matchup. NIT loves attendance. Pretty
good match up, but lets face, a dissapointing year for Utah colleges all the way
We'll win the NIT because we are the best team.
idablu, "Except for some late game heroics and a little luck, BYU
could have had 2 embarrassing losses to Utah and Utah State on BYU's home
court."BYU did beat those teams, as well as all teams in Utah.
They had the heroics it took to defeat in-state rivals. Your point is not valid
because they are example of what didn't happen. There isn't a
difference?? Are you blind? BYU beat them all, so they are better than them
all in one-on-one situations. Like it or not, BYU gets the nod for
the best in-state team based on in-state teams playing each other.
Lady Moon,No, Utah will not get the last laugh because most of the country
and especially the PAC 10.2 is still laughing at the pathetic Utah team and
their 2-in-a-row banter. Who n the world would make such a fuzz over 2 wins in
Oh well, at east we are not Utah,,,,,, who will notget any invitation.
I pretty much stopped paying much attention to the team after the last second
winning shot vs. St. Mary's. I always kept seeing glimpses of the play of
team members like Zylstra. Pathetic! I'm glad that ALL the seniors will
be gone from next years team. Maybe coach Rose can do something with the new
players and those returning from missions. We can only hope for better results.
idablu:You need to learn that a win is a win whether it's by 2
points or 20 points. At what exact point do you start giving a team credit for
it's victory? Close games usually have a way of balancing out, so you look
at the overall records and go with it. Though they didn't finish as strong
as Utah, BYU had twice as many wins on the year and did win in it's only
head-to-head matchup with them. Both facts state that they are the better
team.When Utah beats BYU in football by a point or two from a missed,
make-able field goal, their fans make it seem like they are world beaters. You
should allow BYU fans a little fun while we have our turn in the sun. Quit being
such a scrooge.Mildred in Fillmore: Once again you get
the Emmy in commenter-land for most sarcastic commenter in these blogs. The only
thing funny about your comments is how they seem to entertain only your own
sense of off-humor and pretty much no one else's. Think about giving it a
sammygSpringville, UTJoseywalesNo, you have it all
wrong. I created the little PAC10.2 poke at the Utes over two years
ago when it was obvious that the Utes and the Buffs were an afterthought to the
big 16 superconference fiasco that the PAC10 tried to do.It's
pretty clear that both the Utes and Buffs do not participate monetarily as full
members and athletically... well you know the story or do I have to explain that
too?But thanks for asking and I do smile every time someone uses
PAC10.2Get it now? LOLWow #10, U're awesome._______________BYU can't even beat the big boys in the
WCC. And it loses to bottom feeders at home and the road. Perhaps the Big Sky,
Big West or some parks & rec league would be a better fit.Wow
you lost in the first round of the WCC tournament. BYU is awesome.