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  • toosmartforyou Farmington, UT
    March 9, 2013 3:06 p.m.

    I respectfully suggest that if they really want to play and continue playing, they consider playing from tip-off to final buzzer, not just half or 2/3rds of the contest and thinking they can pull it out. They've had some tremendous losses by just not playing like they really wanted to be on the court or to win. And they have occured early in the first half and at the final 2 minutes. Unfortunately that is a recipie for watching tournaments, not participating in them.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 9, 2013 3:56 p.m.

    Will we even get the NIT invitation? I am not convinced that it is a sure thing.

  • LadyMoon Crestucky, FL
    March 9, 2013 6:27 p.m.

    Utes get last laugh...again. Cougs fail disappointingly pathetically...again. News flash: The Jimmer has moved on. And no one was left to carry the load because each player was looking fir the other guy to do it. Sadly, no one did.

  • flatlander Omaha, NE
    March 9, 2013 6:30 p.m.

    Part of the problem at the end of the season is the lack of real competition prior to the conference. They beat too many teams with Eastern, Southeastern, Northeastern etc. in their names to gain the experience needed at the end. This goal of a 20 win season each year creates a need for an easy schedule. BYU played 10 of these teams to get 10 of their wins but that did not toughen them for the WCC and may hurt their NIT chances. Gonzaga oly played five of these type of teams.

  • The Deuce Livermore, CA
    March 9, 2013 8:03 p.m.

    I saw 2 things in last night's game. First, no one looked like they wanted to play or even be there. Poor guard play and no one else showed up except for Davies. The next thing I saw for the first time this season was a real lack of coaching to win by Coach Rose. He just kept doing the same thing and expecting a different outcome. I saw no adjustment to anything during the entire game. I am a Coach Rose fan but last night started me thinking about the general problem with both the football team and the basketball team this year, lack of quality coaching in key situations. Is this where the Cougars are headed to in the future, one and done?

  • The Rock Federal Way, WA
    March 9, 2013 10:34 p.m.

    While I am disappointed in the loss that missing the big dance, going to six NCAA tournaments in a row and winning 25 or more games in each of those seasons is a remarkable achievement. This is accomplished by a remarkable coach.

    Coach Rose has landed some very good players for the coming years. I see a final four in three years...

  • Jonathan Eddy Payson, UT
    March 9, 2013 10:38 p.m.

    Too bad BYU-Alpine wasn't able to compete. The results would have been much better.

  • Lightening Lad Austin , TX
    March 10, 2013 12:33 a.m.

    Under the circumstances, Dave Rose would be better served by getting outside his comfort circle and with his assistants beating the bushes for some athletic kids who can board and shoot. This team has more kids that either hit their ceiling at the JC level or should have been enjoying their first two years at a JC, more than half of this years Cougars are not talented enough to be playing at this level. I'm convinced the team is made up of great kids who will all graduate eventually and that Rose is the best person to be in this position, but if anymore evidence is needed to convince anyone that this team has only 2-3 kids who should be starting, they got a massive dose of proof in Vegas.

  • OCoug Ogden, UT
    March 10, 2013 12:35 a.m.

    Disappointing end for a disappointing year. I recall getting made fun of for saying that this years team was a twenty win team. Looks like that prediction was pretty close to fact. May next year be brighter.

  • byufan1993 Provo, , UT
    March 10, 2013 12:46 a.m.

    Flatlander

    BYUs OOC schedule was actually pretty hard. They just didn't win the hard games...

  • Mike in Cedar City Cedar City, Utah
    March 10, 2013 1:57 a.m.

    If they get any invite, it's one and done.

  • hobbes1012003 Kaysville, UT
    March 10, 2013 5:44 a.m.

    The team this year just showed a complete lack of competitiveness. they just looked like they didnt want to be there. I agree with the less than quality coaching calls. San Diego was destroying our zone defense and we rarely tried man to man or a different zone scheme. Execution all around was depressing to watch not only in this game but for the entire second half of the season.
    I dont understand why Sharp was used less and less as the season went on. he was a stud this year but was seriously under utilized. as was Winder. our best on ball defender and he barely played even after his ankle was doing better.
    Honestly, i am glad zylstra is graduating, just like Riley Nelson, Zylstra hurt the team more than helped it. if we get selected for the NIT, they better put a fire under the butt or they will be one and done there too. lets hope

    Go Cougs!

  • AZUTE1 Mesa, AZ
    March 10, 2013 5:46 a.m.

    "Coach Rose has landed some very good players for the coming years. I see a final four in three years..."

    Why do this to yourself? It's perfectly fine to be optimistic, but there's a reason byu leads the nation in Tourney appearances without ever reaching The Final Four.

    Set reasonable expectations, instead....How about, competing more competitively with Saint Mary's for 2nd-place in the wcc, for instance?

  • Col Coyote lakewood, CO
    March 10, 2013 6:53 a.m.

    The talent level of some players on the roster appears to me to be a problem. COUGS did not have a bench that they could rely on and get immediate help all season long. They could not guard the perimeter. Bottom line is they need better athletes.

  • thebigsamoan Richmond, VA
    March 10, 2013 8:07 a.m.

    @The Rock,

    Could you please stop with the predictions? It's precisely those kinds of silly and mindless predictions about final four, national championships, etc, etc, that cause so much pain and anguish to us fans when they don't come true. Is it any wonder that the likes of Chris B, ETB, Mildred of Filmore, Naval Vet, 54-10, and others despise us? Can't we at least wait until we actually accomplish real success against meaningful competition consistently before we start pounding our chest? Actually, I prefer that we don't even predict anything, that we just let our team play do the talking. So please stop it! You can't keep feeding the trolls with posts like that.

    Even so, good luck to our Cougars in the NIT if they get an invite! Not sure if that's even a given at this point.

  • Rikitikitavi Cardston, Alberta
    March 10, 2013 8:43 a.m.

    What a bunch of lame comments! How do you compensate for the losses of Rogers and Collinsworth? Chris Collinsworth was a starter before his mission, and Rogers had excellent
    potential as a perimeter shooter. We sorely needed these skills to field a real competitor on the starting five. Hawes has drawn double coverage all season and still lead the league in scoring. Kid is exhausted by now.

  • alternate Salt Lake City, UT
    March 10, 2013 10:12 a.m.

    Hartsock, Abouo, Harrison, Rogers, Collinsworth, were on a very good team last year. They were not here this for different reasons. A huge turnover of very good players.

    This is not sour grapes as much as reality. Too bad Brandon Davies could not have been surrounded by a better cast, especially a strong power forward to man the middle with Brandon. That was suppose to be Chris Collinsworth. Stephen Rogers who have really helped with the perimeter shooting.The offense generated plenty of solid shots but the team could just not deliver.

    The outside shooting is a worry for next year. The middle even with the loss of Davies could be stronger. I believe Mitka is as advertised. I also believe he could have helped this year.

    Disappointing year, but things will get better.

  • Y Grad / Y Dad Richland, WA
    March 10, 2013 10:23 a.m.

    Utes get the last laugh??? Licking our wounds aside, the Utes still ARE the last laugh. Who woulda thought this idea might give me comfort - no matter how disappointing this season has been, at least it wasn't like Utah's.

  • Jim1027 St. George, UT
    March 10, 2013 10:59 a.m.

    The Utes get the last laugh? Where will the Utes be playing after the season is over? Oh, ok, nowhere. Just like your football bowl game.

    Try again, though!

  • phoenix Gilbert, AZ
    March 10, 2013 11:27 a.m.

    AZUTE1

    "...there's a reason BYU leads the nation in Tourney appearances without ever reaching The Final Four."

    Remind us how many Final Fours the Utes have been to since the Tourney expanded to 32 teams in 1975.

    For all of your chest-beating, the Utes have only won more than 2 games in the Big Dance TWICE since that pathetic 1944 season.

  • Escalate San Diego, CA
    March 10, 2013 11:47 a.m.

    The moon has set on LadyMoon--"Utes get the last laugh?" . . . Who is laughing at who? The Utes were beaten by those sorry Cougs and the Utes were 5-13 in conference and a losing record overall. In sports you get what you earn, that's why they play the game and Utah did earn the last laugh.

  • atlcoug Atlanta, GA
    March 10, 2013 12:02 p.m.

    The loss of Collinsworth and Rogers had a big impact on the season. Collinsworth would have given the Cougars another big rebounder and inside scorer. Rogers would have provided an excellent outside shooter. I think the difference this season, without them, is conservatively four or five wins instead of losses. We would not have lost to St. Mary's twice. we may even have been able to beat Gonzaga at home, and no way would we lose to San Diego twice. The difference between second place in the conference, and winning 25 or more games, getting an at-large NCAA invitation, vs. the NIT would make a big difference in how Cougar fans view the team this year. Rose did very well, given the limitations he had for starters and rotation.

  • idablu Idaho Falls, ID
    March 10, 2013 12:18 p.m.

    Reality check: Except for some late game heroics and a little luck, BYU could have had 2 embarrassing losses to Utah and Utah State on BYU's home court. So all this thumping on the chest saying, "at least we're not as bad as Utah doesn't make a lot of sense to me. The Truth is our basketball team really is no better than Utah or Utah State. Both of those games could have just as easily gone the other way.

    So BYU fans, you can lower yourself and denigrate your rivals' basketball teams but the fact is, there really isn't any difference between the teams, at least not this year.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 10, 2013 12:19 p.m.

    Ladymooned

    The longest string of PAC 10.2 conference wins for the Utes is TWO.

    I do believe I'm laughing last.

  • NevadaCoug Overton, NV
    March 10, 2013 1:36 p.m.

    "as was Winder. our best on ball defender and he barely played even after his ankle was doing better. "

    Another "the grass is always greener" comment.

    Did you watch the game Friday night? When Winder was in the game, where was he on defense? Key to defense is put yourself between the basket and the man you're guarding. When Winder was in the game in the first half, he was not in that position. He was behind the man he was supposed to be guarding.

    Best on ball defender? Um. No.

  • joseywales Park City, UT
    March 10, 2013 2:10 p.m.

    sammy- so after the 2 in a row you're laughing about, that put the Utes in the "10" so is the .2 OSU and WSU? NOW I get it. Your little joke to yourself about .2 is just a way of saying who is in the last two spots of every athletic season. Right. It's a way for you to remember, kind of like putting a string on your little finger? Might just be easier to say PAC 12 like the rest of the world, but whatever makes you smile, I'm all for staying off of meds.

  • Tilka PORTLAND, OR
    March 10, 2013 4:02 p.m.

    We best plan for an early exit from the NIT. Maybe more hope for us if we go to the CBI. So the only chance to go to the big dance was winning the conference tournament and the senior on the team says they didn't come out with enough desire or confidence or energy, or whatever he said? This is why they aren't a championship team. Besides not know about the basics of blocking out.

    Which brings up another question - didn't they hire a big man coach? Why hasn't he taught the bigs how to block out?

  • sls Columbia, MO
    March 10, 2013 4:04 p.m.

    Postseason play is a good accomplishment. It's better than staying home. I saw enough good in this Cougar team to believe that they can do well in the NIT, if they get a decent draw. It didn't help to lose to USD, but there is still a shot at some post-season glory for Davies---who really deserves it.

  • Steve C. Warren WEST VALLEY CITY, UT
    March 10, 2013 5:02 p.m.

    Just say no to the NIT. Winning a game or two in the NIT won't change the fact that BYU isn't a very good team.

    Maybe Davies can play overseas next year. I wish him well, but I won't miss him.

  • sammyg Springville, UT
    March 10, 2013 5:58 p.m.

    Joseywales

    No, you have it all wrong.

    I created the little PAC10.2 poke at the Utes over two years ago when it was obvious that the Utes and the Buffs were an afterthought to the big 16 superconference fiasco that the PAC10 tried to do.

    It's pretty clear that both the Utes and Buffs do not participate monetarily as full members and athletically... well you know the story or do I have to explain that too?

    But thanks for asking and I do smile every time someone uses PAC10.2

    Get it now? LOL

    Wow #10, U're awesome.

  • Tom in CA Vallejo, CA
    March 10, 2013 5:57 p.m.

    " ... Is it any wonder that the likes of Chris B, ETB, Mildred of Filmore, Naval Vet, 54-10, and others despise us? ... "

    Who cares what these pretenders think about anything??

  • StGtoSLC SALT LAKE CITY, UT
    March 11, 2013 12:06 a.m.

    "Who cares what these pretenders think about anything??"

    You, Tom, and the dozen or so other pretenders on every article.

  • So. Cal Reader San Diego, CA
    March 11, 2013 8:29 a.m.

    Very interesting. Zylstra was the only Cougar to quote? The guy that was MIA the entire season? They guy that talks about lack of effort and personified it?

  • Spokane Ute Spokane, WA
    March 11, 2013 9:20 a.m.

    Utah State @ BYU will be a first round matchup. NIT loves attendance. Pretty good match up, but lets face, a dissapointing year for Utah colleges all the way around.

  • Mildred in Fillmore Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 9:33 a.m.

    We'll win the NIT because we are the best team.

  • Striker Omaha, NE
    March 11, 2013 9:42 a.m.

    idablu,
    "Except for some late game heroics and a little luck, BYU could have had 2 embarrassing losses to Utah and Utah State on BYU's home court."

    BYU did beat those teams, as well as all teams in Utah. They had the heroics it took to defeat in-state rivals. Your point is not valid because they are example of what didn't happen. There isn't a difference?? Are you blind? BYU beat them all, so they are better than them all in one-on-one situations.

    Like it or not, BYU gets the nod for the best in-state team based on in-state teams playing each other.

  • Down under Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 12:07 p.m.

    Lady Moon,
    No, Utah will not get the last laugh because most of the country and especially the PAC 10.2 is still laughing at the pathetic Utah team and their 2-in-a-row banter. Who n the world would make such a fuzz over 2 wins in a row.

  • But seriously folks! Salt Lake City, UT
    March 11, 2013 12:11 p.m.

    Oh well, at east we are not Utah,,,,,, who will notget any invitation.

  • MJB Tooele, UT
    March 11, 2013 1:01 p.m.

    I pretty much stopped paying much attention to the team after the last second winning shot vs. St. Mary's. I always kept seeing glimpses of the play of team members like Zylstra. Pathetic! I'm glad that ALL the seniors will be gone from next years team. Maybe coach Rose can do something with the new players and those returning from missions. We can only hope for better results.

  • Tators Hyrum, UT
    March 11, 2013 4:46 p.m.

    idablu:

    You need to learn that a win is a win whether it's by 2 points or 20 points. At what exact point do you start giving a team credit for it's victory? Close games usually have a way of balancing out, so you look at the overall records and go with it. Though they didn't finish as strong as Utah, BYU had twice as many wins on the year and did win in it's only head-to-head matchup with them. Both facts state that they are the better team.
    When Utah beats BYU in football by a point or two from a missed, make-able field goal, their fans make it seem like they are world beaters. You should allow BYU fans a little fun while we have our turn in the sun. Quit being such a scrooge.

    Mildred in Fillmore:

    Once again you get the Emmy in commenter-land for most sarcastic commenter in these blogs. The only thing funny about your comments is how they seem to entertain only your own sense of off-humor and pretty much no one else's. Think about giving it a rest.

  • WACPaddingOurSchedule pocatello, ID
    March 11, 2013 9:25 p.m.

    sammyg
    Springville, UT
    Joseywales

    No, you have it all wrong.

    I created the little PAC10.2 poke at the Utes over two years ago when it was obvious that the Utes and the Buffs were an afterthought to the big 16 superconference fiasco that the PAC10 tried to do.

    It's pretty clear that both the Utes and Buffs do not participate monetarily as full members and athletically... well you know the story or do I have to explain that too?

    But thanks for asking and I do smile every time someone uses PAC10.2

    Get it now? LOL

    Wow #10, U're awesome.

    _______________

    BYU can't even beat the big boys in the WCC. And it loses to bottom feeders at home and the road. Perhaps the Big Sky, Big West or some parks & rec league would be a better fit.

    Wow you lost in the first round of the WCC tournament. BYU is awesome.