Typical attendance numbers for a WCC game.
Feel a little sorry for the team, they seemed to try too hard and just
couldn't pull it together for a complete game. Seemed to mostly play better
as the year went on, but not as much improvement as opposing teams.Still love my Cougars!
I hope the Cougs can rebound and play well in the NIT. I also hope everyone now
knows that this years team just wasn't that good. Haws takes way too many
shots and that hurts Carlinos game. Davies is the only legitament big man on
this team. Coach Rose did a great job with this bunch of guys. I don't
think another coach could have won 10 games with this group. Better luck next
Truth is we just weren't very good this year... We had only 2 solid
consistent players all year long and every once in awhile Carlino would show
up...Sure, we were good enough to beat less talented teams like Utah
(in fact, I think that we ran the state) but not good enough to compete
consistently at a high level...That leads me to the question of when
we will be able to return to that level... The incompetence of the
Administration and our AD in getting us into a bigger and better Conference for
all sports is hurting our recruiting efforts and it is starting to show up on
the Fields as well as the Courts...We are challenged from both a
scheduling standpoint and from a player recognition standpoint... A large
percentage of recruits believe they have the skill base to eventually play at
the next level and they want to be "showcased"... Being independent in
Football and playing Idaho, Idaho State and New Mexico State in November does
not a "showcase provide"... I also think that that is true with the WCC
(albeit that Gonzaga is an outlier)... 8 schools with populations of about
Rose is a fantastic coach, but his teams are seldom competitive in tournaments
for some reason.
A tough loss for a team that has frankly had a hard time all season long
performing well when the game was on the line. This bunch has just not had
anyone that could step up in the crunch. Even the free throw shooting has been
down this year.Speaking objectively, take away Jimmer, and you would
probably say the same of the team for several years now. As much as I like Dave
Rose, I don't see that he gets the best performance out of his players, who
come from no different background than say, the kids who play for Coach Lewis at
Lone Peak, but who seem to get it done in tournament play.Am I the
only one here who feels unfulfilled come March Madness by BYU's 20 some odd
wins in regular season?
I watched this team play in Brooklyn. There were some good signs, if they could
find leadership, consistency, and players who would step up. I thought they
would gel and pull it together. They never did. This has to be one of the most
head-scratching, frustrating teams I have ever seen.
Utah basketball....like the Jazz, so go the Cougars. Maybe we have more
important things to worry about.
One and done. The NCAA and NIT may both be out of reach, now. Maybe
there's an N.O.T tourney. What a sad year. But what a great bunch of
young men. I wish them all great futures. I look forward to next year. Go
Everyone except Davies played awful in the first half. I know every play has an
impact on the game, but after we had crawled back into it; the two plays that
seemed to be the dagger were: 1. Haws turnover in the final
minutes. After Davies poked the ball away for a steal, Haws threw the lame duck
pass that was picked off. Ouch. Mistakes happen. I know he wishes he had that
one back.2. Austin shooting a three at the end of the game. Why?
Why? Why? He has one of the lowest percentages from behind the arc. There is
still plenty of time on the shot clock. Davies has the hot hand. When that
shot went up, I knew the game was over.If those two possessions had
gone differently, the win probably goes to the Cougs.I'm not
even expecting that great of a seed heading to the NIT now. Not
sure what to expect next year? Losing Davies will be a big loss. K.
Colinsworth is a nice addition. Unless our Sophomores (Haws, Carlino, Austin,
Sharp) improve dramatically, I'm expecting a similar season next year with
20 - 22 wins.
Despite the lack of great talent it was surprising to see a Coach Rose team get
worse as the season went along.
I'll say it again, the cougars do not block out on rebounds. They watch
and go for the ball instead of blocking out and making sure the other team
can't get the ball. This is an 8th grade level issue. Plus last night
they looked slow on both offense and defense. I hate to say it but we should
expect them to lose in the first round of whatever tournament they get into.
Gosh o golly darn are boys we're fouled all night...sorry for my language,
but i'm mad. those umpires cheated our good boys from our win.. we are a
national brand!!GOLLY DANG I'm A MAD COUGAR!!!
A real reality check for the Cougar basketball program.
"We didn't play as well as we're capable of, but that was due to
San Diego's defensive pressure.""But all the credit in
the world to San Diego, because their game plan and they way they executed made
it difficult for us to get over that edge."Props to Coach Rose
and Craig Cusick. That's sportsmanship. I've never heard bronco say
anything like that.I was impressed by Brandon Davies's play this
year. He's got a future in pro ball.Good luck to the Runnin'
Utes this afternoon and in their tournament.
Too bad about the loss but honestlyt he best fit for the Cougs is in the NIT
where they could do some damage and play at home. Go coug.
OUch. Rebuilding? Next year?Cant wait to see the answers from
everyone (Except Coach Rose who is a great coach).Post away!!!
This is very disappointing. I'm not sure what all of the reasons are for
this last half of the season fade but it is obvious this team just never had the
chemistry it needed to be an NCAA team. I don't wish to pile on as it is
still a 20+ game winner and will be in a post season tournament but it is a team
that seems to have underachieved, the 1st of Coach Rose's teams that I
would lable with that moniker.
So what about the physical presence and "edge" we read about yesterday?
This game was beyond embarrasing, yet a typical game for the Cougs this year.
They deserved the loss, pure and simple. Interesting note section-- I could care
less about Carlino's "bright blue" shoes. Whoe cares? Also, Austin
presence had little if any impact. The 3 rebound "advantage" was far
from a game changer. Although Austin's 3-point attempt with under 2 minutes
left certainly was. Very poor shot selection, and he wasn't alone in that.
Let's put 15-20 pounds on Austin and get him to be a little more of a
presence inside. I don't need a 6'-10" kid attempting 3's.
When Carlino figures out that it's not about the shoes and the leggings
they will be a much better team. And then the DNews encourages this foolishness
by mentioning the shoes in the article. Stop with the shaved head, the leggings,
and the blue shoes. Just play ball. Get serious.
The WCC has the nations number one team and a legitimate all American player.
The other teams seem to be able to recruit enough good players to beat BYU.
I think other folks have already said it, but the reality is that this
year's BYU men's basketball team was not very talented. Coach Rose
definitely has done the best he can with what he has. The Cougars last night
turned the ball over too many times and did not shoot very well. They missed too
many free throws and could not make any three pointers. You have to give it to
San Diego though. The Toreros played with a lot of grit and nothing to lose,
since their season record doesn't even bring them close to getting an
invitation to the Big Dance. I guess the Cougars will have to settle on the
Small Dance this year. I still love my Cougs though. Future seasons look great,
especially when the Lone Peak boys get off their missions. Finally, let's
wish Gonzaga well in this tournament and at the Big Dance. Seeing them take it
all during March Madness will raise up the WCC as a whole.
@ Kralon,I agree.@ Rockarolla,Haws shot a
lot out of necessity. He was very dependable. I'm not buying it hurt
Carlino's game. He was out of control way too much. I believe next year
will be better, but I am worried about out big men. I am skeptical that we can
rely on Freshmen - Mica, and Worthington.
@poymanFinally a cougar fan that's not afraid to voice his real
feelings. More of you Y fans should put you're pride and arrogance aside
and speak up. It would benefit the future of sports at BYU.
You can't win when you only have two D1 players on your team. Rose and his
staff has to do a better job recruiting.
Too many church ballers on the team.
The Y's problem continues to be their lack of recruiting outside the
Wasatch Front. When 50% of their recruits played high school ball within 20
miles of Provo, the Y needs to expand their recruiting efforts beyond the
Some perspective on this: Yes, we are as bad as it looked last night. The game
was a mercy killing, and I'm not looking forward to the NIT either.
However, all of you -- and especially Poyman -- the program is not imploding!
They've been to the NCAA's the last seven years; life is still good.
This year Rose lost 2 of his 3 key big men right at the start of the season.
It's a coaching miracle that he got 20+ wins out of this group. Next year
he begins to fill the "big man" pipeline again with solid recruits.
Hang tough. As long as they have Rose, they'll have a basketball program.
Regarding football, I think we can all agree that we would rather be in the
Big-12. It ain't in the cards -- at least for the foreseeable -- so
we're working Option #2 as best we can. The upcoming schedule is great.
[We just have to hope that the retooled offense is up to the drill by fall.] In
other words, we're as well off as we can be. Cheer up folks, the glass is
half full! Buffalochp1 sends ... take care!!!
Tough year but they never quit. 20 wins is tempered by playing in the 10th
rated conference. Imagine if the Cougs played in the big 12 this year.
Off to the NIT, Maybe.
Rose is one of the best coaches in the country. We are very fortunate to have
I don't get it. Were easily the most talented team in WCC.
San Diego played good fundamental patient basketball. BYU played "panic
basketball". BYU would have won had they used the same style as SD!
"Haws takes way too many shots and that hurts Carlinos game." I think
you meant that the other way around. Carlino is the problem with this team. And we missed so many easy shots at the rim...every player was guilty.
If you can't finish at the rim, you can't win. I'm guessing the
issue is talent. Rose has proven he's a coach. He probably got more wins
out of this team than he should have.
Dave Rose is a good coach but he has a long way to go to be a great coach. He
lacks the ability to instill confidence in his players. He also has not learned
to develop players that would have prevented this loss. Their two
biggest weaknesses are perimeter defense and 3 point shooting. Yet their best
perimeter defender (Delgado) never got developed. Second Ambrosino and Delgado
shot 44% and 42% respectively last year at JC level. Many will say that it is
easier to shoot at the JC level, because of the lower quality defense, however
defense is a non-factor. How many contested 3 point shots did Cusick or Zylstra
take this year? Having watched every game I know the answer is NONE. So the
only thing stopping Ambrosino and Delgado from shooting 40%+ is is confidence
and player development. (Playing the WCC should be an advantage for JC players
as they are used to the small gyms).Developing players and
instilling confidence were major failures this season. Cusick and Zylstra are
now gone. What is the status of the two best 3-point shooters for next year?
Will they even play?
We didn't have a good solid defense like we have had in the past with
Hartsock, Jackson, and Aubuo. This team couldn't defend man to man...only
zone. We also lacked leadership and chemistry. That's why Dave Rose kept
shifting his starting lineup, trying to find a group that worked together. Great
bunch of guys, however. I hope next year we get a guard who isn't sporadic
like Carlino. Looking forward to Mika (big guy) from Lone Peak. He's a play
maker!On the other hand, wow, did you see National #1 BYU win 3 sets
in a row against Cal Baptist last night in Men's Volleyball? Catch another
great matchup tonight on BYUtv at 7 PM at home. Our guys always come out fired
up and prepared and hungry to win. Watch #11 and #15--dynamite! Cal Baptist is a
good team and will come gunning for them.Go Cougars!
This team is in dire need of a true point guard. A ball handler who can direct
the offense and control the tempo of the game without turning the ball over.
Carlino should be relegated to the bench, where he can sub in for Haws as a
shooting guard or be on the floor in a three guard offense.
Darn refs got us again, plus how are we expected to win against a powerhouse
program like that
Cheer up Gougar fans we still have a lot to cheer for with our Volleyball team
reaching Nbr one in the country and the season winding down. We are looking real
good for another National Title and Rugby is just starting up. How lucky we are
to cheer for a University that has many sports that compete and are rated very
high in so many of them. We could be rooting for some lowly teams that are at or
near the bottom of a so called "elite" conference, and then can't
even field teams to compete in all the sports.Yes, we are very lucky
to be cheering for all our teams, all year round!GO GOUGS.......All
Coach Rose stuck with his seniors last night. Davies was the only one that
played well. Cusic got lit up like a roman candle on defense.
As usual, I would like to have seen more of Kaufusi out there than 7 minutes.
It doesn't do any good to have the weapon and not use it. I
believe that individual preparation of each player has handicapped this team.
Talent was there, but we didn't get each player up to his capability.
Then fashion an offense that takes into consideration the areas of
strength for each player.(Except for Haws and Davies, that was taken into
consideration). We can not only fashion an offense after 2 players. That is
too easy to shut down. Rose has his "go to" players, and the rest are
fluff. That can't be. Yes, we have talent levels among players, but your
scoring has to be more even. The Jimmer approach is not working.Check out Lone Peak, any guy could do it for them on any given night. Check
out Gonzaga. How easy would it be to hand the ball to Olenyk every time.
Mark Few won't do this. Team basketball where everyone is important, is
how to win. We don't need the Jimmer/Kobe mentality which paralyzes teams.
Dave Rose is stuck in Jimmer/Kobe land.
RockarollaWest Jordan, UTHaws takes way too many shots and
that hurts Carlinos game. ------Seriously, how would anyone
know what "Carlino's game" is? He is inconsistent, just as poyman
said.Duckhunter, "still a 20+ game winner and will be in the
post season"The NCAA takes 66 teams. If you aren't one of
the top 66, is there really anything to be proud of? 3rd in the regular season,
knocked out by the SIXTH place team in a shallow league. (A 6th place team that
beat the Cougars 2 of 3). There isn't a lot to crow about this season.But Poyman, why whine about the league. Gonzaga has been able to build
a national power, the #1 team in the country in this league. In football, there
has been a transition period, but now BYU will be playing a very respectable
schedule. The problem isn't circumstance, it is performance. Perform, and
football and basketball will have all the opportunity they want.
Sad that folks can post comments that shouldn't even be allowed on the
computer without parental supervision. This team has gone from
averaging 80 points a game for the first 11 games to less than 70 over the last
9 games. Carlino takes far too many shots and Haws takes too few. Carlino is out
of control and can't follow Coach's direction. Simply a Loose cannon.
Does his own thing without regard to what is best for the team.Love
Kaufusi, but he needs to stick to football. Brock would not be a starter on any
other Rose team except the past two years due to injury. Every possession needs
to go thru Davies and Haws and less than 50% touch their hands.Rose
has lots of problems and the current makeup is disappointing. I
would suggest they turn down any invitation to the NIT and save what little
reputation they have left. Going to a Colorado type program and losing by 20 in
the first round will do nothing to help the team or players build confidence for
I honestly don't see how the cougars could be any better next year... They
need to find a real big man to replace Davies. Austin plays like a little girl.
He is constantly looking to flop on defense. The cougars need a big man that
isn't afraid to mix it up. If Austin is BYU's big next year, they
don't stand a chance. Unless Hawes has a Jimmer type year, BYU is headed
for middle of the WCC at best.
Rose is the problem. Without Jimmer and Dave Rice, Rose would already be gone.
Doesn't have the athletes for transition but that and run and gun is all
they do. Need a coach like Roger Reid to win with lack of talent like this.
@duck hunted Thank you for apologizing for your language. Anyone who
writes "are boys" instead of "our boys" should definitely
apologize every time they attempt to say anything.
@ "rational"With the talent Rose had to work with this year,
especially in the front court, 20+ wins is indeed an accomplishment. But then I
am not some psuedo BYU "fan" who tries to pretend to be balanced and
fair in a pathetic attempt to ingratiate himself to utah "fans". I'm certainly disappointed with the result but I am also not one
that expects the NCAA's every single year, 25 wins, every single year, etc.
I must be the "rational" one since I understand 7 striaght NCAA's
was a great run and this was the inevitable year it didn't happen.
We'll see what happens next year but based on the recruits coming in there
is a lot to look forward to. Let's see 14th ranked class next year, already
the 8th ranked class the following year. Seems to me things are moving along
just fine for the future.
And BYU's NCAA Tournament appearance streak has been snapped in the
hand's of San Diego!
RE: reasonableUTE"I honestly don't see how the cougars
could be any better next year... They need to find a real big man to replace
Davies."You probably didn't know this because you're
not a cougarfan, but BYU has Eric Mika coming next year. ESPN has him ranked as
the #3 center in the country. We'll also be getting F/C Luke Worthington
who had several offers from top programs. Yes, they're freshman but I
don't think the drop-off from Davies to these two will be too dramatic.
Not surprised by the loss. They struggled ever since Delavedova hit that three.
Down and down after that.
I think the Cougars biggest problem is they just can't shoot well. Utah
finished the season strong with two victories. I'm glad we don't have
to play the Utes again--I think the Cougars would lose. It is going to be good
to get this season over--it has been painful.
Duckhunter,"But then I am not some psuedo BYU "fan" who tries
to pretend to be balanced and fair in a pathetic attempt to ingratiate himself
to utah "fans".Thanks for the psychoanalysis, but I'm
confident you are as unqualified for that as you are to judge whether someone is
rational. You are everything you disdain in Chris B and Naval Vet, you just
root for a different team. You embarrass Cougar fans, and should you deign to
reveal your identity, those who know you would be embarrassed for you.
@Wiscougarfan Davis is listed at 6-9.Mika and
Worthington are listed at 6-8, they'll be playing center at BYU?
At least this was the first game in a long time when BYU won the second half.
Yes, Austin's 3-point attempt late was a bad decision, but there many
missed opportunities before then. Nobody other than Davies stepped up in the
first half. And, despite Davies' great statistics, he still gives up silly
turnovers and commits too many foolish fouls.
@Bleed Crimson...And u were kept out of the NCAA Tourney and NIT by
"This team is in dire need of a true point guard. A ball handler who can
direct the offense and control the tempo of the game without turning the ball
over. Carlino should be relegated to the bench, where he can sub in for Haws as
a shooting guard or be on the floor in a three guard offense."There may be something here. At one point Carlino came off a screen on a
catch and shoot. He looked pretty good doing it. I think it's possible
that he could be a better shooter doing that kind of thing than trying to create
his own shot at the point. Problem is, what point guard is coming in that could