Ty Corbin outcoached again.
You crack me up! Millsap misses a free throw, (the team misses a bunch) and its
Corbin that lost that Buck game. Tonight Mo misses a layup and Corbin is out
Fortydam,No is wasn't Corbin's fault but we have to look
at the bigger picture here. BTW two years ago there were tons of comments and
now I'm the 3rd one? Says something...think about it.1. Corbin
does need to go and I speak collectively, not one game. His rotations are
horrible.2. Marvin Williams is NOT a starter--he's not that good.3. Hayward is a STARTER and the future for the Jazz--mark it.4. Mo Will
is NOT a true PG (we need a change)5. Foye is an awesome bench player
(want him back as he spreads the offense--just love it)6. Kanter needs
MORE minutes7. Favors is learning and I will NOT give up on him. He will
be fine.8. Milsap needs to be dealt (if possible) as he will not
return.9. We can win w/out Jefferson (I do like him though). Kanter and
Favors are the future.10. Burks is great and will only get better.We have issues that need addressed and the coach will always get
amgofer1) Corbin is doing his best on a team that can't produce the
same starting five due to injuries since the beginning of the season.2)
Corbin benched Ma. Williams. Demarre started tonight. On paper (and maybe in
practice?) Ma. Williams is a beast.3) Hayward will be a starter for this
team, but right now he comes off the bench a provides a needed spark. If Milsap
would be willing to do that for this team we would be in better shape.4)
Agreed. Houston just signed Aaron Brooks for the remainder of the season and we
don't have one starting PG on this team. Speaks volumes about the front
office.5) Agreed6) Both Favors and Kanter need more minutes. A.J.
getting hurt is a blessing in disguise for this team - but I wish no ill to
AJ.7) Remember, Favors is only 21, in 4 years he could be the most
dominant player in the league. It is too early to tell. Bigs take longer to
develop.8) Trade deadline passed a couple weeks ago.
Coach,good idea starting Carroll, but why just make him a token starter and then
sit on the bench all night. Marvin Williams went scoreless again but still spent
more time on the floor than Carroll. At this point in the season Marvin
Williams should be getting minutes behind Evans, and nothing more. It was not a
bad move trading Harris for Marvin because he was an incredible talent in
college and a change in scene from Atlanta to Utah could have been a good thing.
We took a shot, but it didn't work. It's a mistake to keep compounding
the mistake though by playing him over other players. Carroll, Hayward, Millsap
and even Evans can man the small forward position just fine, so just shut Marvin
down unless its an emergency. I do think Mo Williams is going to make the team
better but he's still a little rusty. Kanter has been amazing. Coach,
please don't cut his minutes when Jefferson comes back.
@amgolferNice breakdown on what needs to be done with the Jazz. Two
additional players I want the Jazz to hang on to are: Jeremy Evans and Demarre
Carroll.Carroll starting in place of Marvin Williams is no-brainer.
He's just just a lot more productive than Williams and is only going to get
better.Jeremy Evans (once Millsap is gone) is going to really start
to shine in the Jazz rotation. I too, believe that Jefferson is the player the
Jazz should try to keep. If that doesn't happen, at least we will still
have Evans in the fold. I just hope he adds a few more pounds of muscle before
What a bunch of choke artists!!!
Fortydam you are the one who cracks me up...you don't understand the
coaching of the squad. Winnable close games but inept coaching by Corbin. He
doesn't the idea of substituting for offensive and defensive situation!
I was as ticked as any Jazz fan after the Jazz choked this one away. Keep in
mind:-This season isn't going anywhere anyway. Even in the
playoffs, they will likely be swept. -Burks, Hayward, Favors and
Kanter are playing well. That bodes well for next year.-Corbin is
not perfect, but he is a good coach. His out of bounds plays are among the
best. His system is similar so Jerry's. He needs work on his rotations,
but X and O he is pretty good. I think he messed up the Milwaukee game by not
subbing in the 3rd quarter before the Jazz were down 12. All in all he is a
good coach, and a coach does not turn the ball over, miss free throws, and take
inexplicable shots.Hard game to swallow. I think this last week and
a half has cost the Jazz the playoffs. Just hoping to see our future guys
continue to get better.
The Jazz won't even finish at 500 and will not make the playoffs.
The Jazz pose as much of a real threat to the top teams in the West does as
North Korea does to the US.
I like Hayward (a lot), but he has to learn how to "stop and pop" and
when to pass to real guards in crunch time- he forces it too often. He is NOT a
Kantor/Favors among the big timber and he certainly is not a quick point guard.
Every one of the Jazz's close losses involve one or two Hayward
These two close losses were devastating. The Jazz have ten players with expiring
contracts. You build around Favors and Kanter and Hayward and move on from
there. With cap space from Jefferson of 15 mill and Millsap of 8 mill who wants
more, they can go out and find a good point guard.
When Burks went out and Foye came in there went your ball game. Cleveland goes
on a 12-1 run. Thats really bad coaching.
@B RussFoye single-handedly ended the 3rd quarter jinx the Jazz had
going so you cant expect Corbin to leave him out the rest of the game. Fans cant
be upset when they plead for 'playing the hot hand' then the hot hand
doesnt make shots. That's not Corbin's fault. Monday's loss?
Maybe Corbin's fault (for not subbing 4th quarter), but not last night.
True fact: Corbin may not be the best coach in the league but he isn't the
worst. Who would you like to have to replace him?
If you look at the great NBA teams in the past and present, one common trend you
will see is the teams play only 8, MAYBE 9 players throughout a game. The Jazz
play at least 10 guys just about every game. Now that Mo is back, what happens
when Jefferson comes back? Keep a 10-11 man rotation? I hope not. Coach Corbin
needs to choose his 9 players. My proposed line-up:STARTERS: 1. Mo
WIlliams 2. Randy Foye 3. DeMarre Carroll (and give him more than 14 minutes) 4.
Paul Milsap 5. Al JeffersonBENCH: 6. Alec Burks 7. Gordon Hayward
8. Enes Kanter 9. Derrick FavorsDESIGNATED TOWEL FAVERS: -Earl
Watson - Jamaal Tinsley (possibly the best in the league) -Marvin Williams
(he's a bust who should never play another minute) -Jeremy Evans -Kevin
Murphy Granted many of you may have different line-ups but what do
you think about only playing these 9?
Sneaky Jimmy,Stan Van Gundy would be better than Corbin. Took a
decent team to the finals....
I agree with B Russ. Corbin's rotation changes and substitutions,
especially at the end of close games (that often turn into heartbreaking losses)
make his coaching decisions quite questionable. He often seems to be an OK coach
and is definitely a nice guy. But for the millions that NBA coaches are paid,
more is and should be expected. The quality of coaching is why one good team
makes it to the playoffs and another similarly talented team goes home. Corbin hadn't proven himself before he was given a contract extension.
That one was on the front office. It's possible for an owner to be too
loyal to a coach.The Jazz have shown too many times this year that they
have the player talent and bench depth for them not to be consistently winning
these close games against poor to mediocre teams. Besides making timely
substitutions, coaches need to know how to motivate individual players and the
team as a whole when needed. Objectively and subjectively, that often
doesn't seem to be happening. I was a Corbin fan at first, but not so much
as time goes on and weaknesses are becoming more exposed.
@ sneaky JimmySVG comes to mind.
The reality is that Corbin has absolutely no all-star level talent on this
entire team. Who can win with that?That being said he does own
responsibility for using what he has and Marvin Williams minutes have been
wasted for a long time. He has given much more than reasonable opportunity for
this over-hyped under-performing talent to get it going. He can't. So
bench him. Put someone on the floor that will give you at least some
offense.The fact Marvin Williams still gets minutes over Carrol is
mind boggling. Carrol can defend nearly as well and out hustles Marvin every
second he is on the floor. It is a no-brainer to everyone watching the game but
it seems beyond Corbins grasp.That tells you Corbin certainly has
some culpability in these losses.Even though we would get smoked in
the first round our young guys need to experience the playoffs and the intensity
of that situation. Sure it would be great to be in the lottery but
realistically it will be the bottom and I think the experience is probably worth
more than the pick. We already have a ton of young guys.
I agree with Sneaky Jimmy. Firing Corbin is not an answer unless you have
someone to replace him. I also agree with cbn11. Both Van Gundy boys would be
great, but they need to be available, and willing. With Jefferson out, all the
Al haters have nothing to say. Is it possible that we are realizing that he is
valuable to the team? I certainly don't think we would have lost to
Cleveland if Al had been there in the final minute. He is extremely consistent,
and he is our closer for sure. I don't know if he is worth more than 15
million, and he will probably want more next year, so the Jazz have a decision
to make. Watson and Tinsley should only be used for emergencies since we have
several guys who can run the point. Favors still needs to convince me that he
can use his head on offense. He gets so many dumb offensive fouls, it drives me
crazy. Corbin's biggest problem is that there are too many
players who are close to equal. It is hard to know who to play when they are
all about the same.
@Tators,Your comments about Corbin are spot on. I would add player
development has been too slow. Without significant injuries to the guard line
Burks would still be sitting on the bench. It also takes injuries to Jefferson
and Millsap to get Favors and Kanter the minutes they should have been getting
all year for the following reasons.1st- Jefferson and Millsap as our
"go to guys" have not elevated this team in the rankings like Stockton
and Malone, or even Boozer and D-Will. D-Will to this day misses the Jazz
system!2nd- Most NBA guys in the know are saying the Jazz will let
Jefferson and /or Millsap walk this summer. If so, why are they still the go to
guys when Favors and Kanter are the future?We need to develop the
core 4 and Carroll and Evans now and build around them with the cap space. Does
this guarantee the Jazz will be better in the future? No guarantees at all, but
you have to be in re-load mode all the time and be planning for the future.
Corbin is sticking with the veterans too long.
@DustinHere's my 2 cents (ok, I always blab away more than 2 cents
worth)Corbin should be fired, but I place the blame on management for
signing him to any contract beyond just the interim coach when Sloan resigned.
So it's not Corbin's fault that management didn't let him prove
himself before giving him a longer deal. Phil Johnson was the qualified coach on
staff that was deserving of an extended contract but he always said he would
leave when Sloan did and I guess he was true to his word.Next, Big
Al not in the lineup is not why we lost last night. It was an ill advised 3 from
Mo, and two terrible turnovers in the last 1 1/2 minutes that killed us. Even
with that a layup missed that Mo will probably never miss again would have still
won the game. Kanter and Favors have done what they needed to replace Al, and
Millsap when he was out.
@Sneaky Jimmyhere are some coaches...not in any particular
order....Nate Mcmillan took a depleted Portland team deep into the
playoffs...Alvin Gentry despite having an old Nash was close to getting a
playoff spot last year...think what he can do with four young guys with a high
ceiling...Stan Van Gundy...the Ron Jeremy of the NBA...i just had to say
it...Brian Shaw...mentored by Phil Jackson...have always wanted to be a
coach...that hunger can turn into wins...Jerry Sloan...he may be the most
predictable coach in the NBA...but...the guy wins games..even with a lineup of
Starks Manning Marshall Gugliotta...all of whom...are way past their primes...he
still manages to win games...although he really should defend the 3 more often
to get over the hump...
@DustinBig Al is not the answer...please...please...i beg
you...watch him play...he wont take you to the promise land...he is a third
option in a good team...i'd rather have Amir Johnson over him...i'll
rather have Nikola Vucevic over him...heck i would rather have Jevale Mcgee over
him...at least jevale is funny...here's my opinion...if the
Jazz sign either Paul Millsap or Al Jefferson...trust me...either Favors or
Kanter would bolt...Kanter is highley unlikely...but given a hefty
contract...that we are not able to match...well...let's bid them
farewell...now...we have a ton of cap space...and you need to plan for the
future on this one...say 5-10 years...this offseason...Jeff Teague is a
restricted free agent...we could offer a contract...Kenall Marshall...may be we
could do a sign and trade with phx for him?...let him be the backup...if we cant
sign teague..develop marshall...grab a starting PG for cheap...or let burks be
the PG for a year...new coach...clearly..Corbin is lost...sign the core of the