What about the High School graduate who wants to go to college, but doesn't
want to do it by going into debt and who isn't given more than 15 hours a
week? There are so many different scenarios...
@dwayne: you wrote "Employing two employees at 10 hours each instead of one
employee at 21 hours costs them more money."I have always
believed that, however, my daughter's employer keeps hiring more people and
gives them less than 20 hours. The reason we found in the employees handbook:
when an employee works more than 20 hours, they accrue vacation time and sick
leave. Hiring multiple employees and giving them less than 20 hours saves them
money. They know they can get away with it because people will take the job. A
lousy job is still better than no job.
Whenever you increase the cost of employees you increase the incentive to
automate and get rid of employees. Think of the auto industry--robots
everywhere because of the labor costs. Make it too expensive to have people and
they will invent more machines to get rid of them. That does not even
begin to address Obamacare and limiting hours so they don't have to offer
It's really simple. Raise the minimum wage, businesses hire fewer workers.
How can the President of the United States of America know so little about
economics??? Does he think that businesses have a vault with cash in the back
room that they are just selfishly hoarding? Honestly! On a much
larger scale, the President and the American Left constantly aim so low. Does
the server at the diner in Cleveland or the cashier at the grocery store in
Bakersfield really want to be secure in THAT job? Or do we still aim for
something better in America? Does the server maybe want to own their own diner
one day or the cashier their own grocery store?? How about focusing on creating
opportunity instead of trying to keep people hemmed into jobs that will never
make the financially free?
What's better, pay a man/woman a fair wage, or let the taxpayer pay them
through the earned income credit. A higher minimum wage helps to increase
everyone's wages. The only way wages will come into line is through a raise
in minimum wage. We have to much surplus labor for a labor shortage to force
The myth that businesses will hire fewer workers is just untrue. Businesses
will hire as many workers as they need to meet the demand of their product or
service. No more, no less. And if they have to pay them more, they are still
going to hire them, because that is what it takes to meet their demand. Maybe
that means less profit at the top. Maybe it means higher prices for consumers.
But one way or the other, the demand will get met. Because some profit is still
better than no profit.All honest work deserves a living wage. And I
don't care if it is a teenager wanting some extra cash for designer jeans
and electronics. Those things boost the economy, too! Raising the minimum wage
is a good thing for everyone who is in the economy.
It is always interesting, in discussions on this topic, to observe the wide
range of rationalizations used by employers who are determined to constantly
tap-dance around the real issue: their own Greed. "Minimum wage is only
meant for teenagers," they dumbly assert. "If you're a teenager,
and you're working at or near minimum wage, it's because you are
lacking in ambition." Bla Bla Bla. The fact is, there are more college
graduates working at or near minimum wage than ever; more than half of those
working minimum wage are adults, and more than half of these are older than 25.
Those numbers may not agree with Mark's Wilson's statistic, but that
may be because they don't have children -- how could they, at minimum wage?
As to differing groups looking at statistics with differing assumptions, figures
don't lie but liars figure to make their case. The point is that if more
jobs were available, the market would correct itself upward or downward without
undue government interference. A low paying job beats no job. I paid my way
through college by first working and saving for two years 1947-1949, and then
worked on various jobs while in school and took mainly labor intensive summer
jobs from a previous employer to keep the ball rolling. My tuition and board
came to about $2,000 a year, with no debt. Today's annual college costs for
the same thing could reach $40,000 a year, requiring college loans that without
jobs might never be paid off. This circumstance is too debilitating to our
young. College courses by computer while working may be something to take more
Busboys, chamber maids, laborers, lawn mowers...will all tell you a minimum wage
law won't help as long as people are willing to hire someone without papers
and pay them under the table.Not that such a scenario would ever happen
here in the United States. No sir. Homeland Security will tell you that
doesn't happen. Too much enforcement for such a thing to take place
here.Besides, low-skilled Americans wouldn't stoop to do those
jobs.Blinders on - narrative firmly in place.
The minimum wage worker here in Utah is the high school teen working for extra
money, but it is also a dad or mom working 2 jobs on minimum wage to support
their family. They have to work two jobs because the business owners keep their
hours down as to not have to pay benefits. Alot of the people in the small town
that I live in (more than half) also receive financial support from the LDS
church. So everything is not hunky dory as we are lead to believe...I think
Utah business owners believe that a family can survive on minimum wage and the
Just raise it already. No credible study has showed that it hurts the economy.
While there are several credible studies done which have actually showed the
Flat Tax is the AnswerThe best way to increase the income of the
lower class is not to raise minimum wage, but to raise taxes on those earning
minimum wage and close to it, and at the same time lower taxes on the top 1%.
This is called a flat tax. This will make the poor so miserable and being super
rich so sweet, the poor will then aspire to become super rich themselves.
Re. Kathy at Iowa:You raise a good point: higher wages lead to
greater efficiency, and vise versa. And this may hold true whether due to a
natural labor shortage or one artificially induced through legislation. High
unemployment is a byproduct of an upwardly mobile economy. Through economic
stagnation Soviet Russia was able to eliminate unemployment, while Cuba was
Until someone can repeal the law of supply and demand, all of this is social
engineering feel good nonsense.If a worker is really good, they will
be paid more, or find a better paying job. If an employer needs more workers,
they will pay more.Government mandates that a warm body must be paid
$[x.xx] per hour may temporarily raise wages for some workers, but other laws of
economics mandate that the costs of those higher wages will be reflected in
higher costs for the products they make, and the net benefit is zero.A lousy economy is what you get when you have lawyers and social workers (and
outright socialists) meddling in business instead of letting the free market
work."We pretend to work and they pretend to pay us" was the
mantra of the Communist countries and we see how well that worked out.Minimum wage laws should be repealed, not revised.
Why don't we just set $20.00 as the new minimum wage? That should solve
all of our problems. Of course, in a year or two, $20.00 will buy the same
amount or less than $7.75 does today. To every action there is an equal and
Some of these comments surprise me. Somebody has to work at McDonalds and the
Gap and be the server at the diner in Cleveland or the cashier at the grocery
store in Bakersfield. They may not have the ambition you think they should, but
we should still treat them fairly. It does no good to say they should get a
better job. I imagine that if they could get a better job, they would. And if
they did, somebody else would have to fill their dead-end job. How we treat
people who don't have the skills to get better jobs says a lot about who we
are. This is about us, not them. And A1994, the economic conclusions
you hold to be self-evident are actually much disputed.
The thing is adults - especially those with families - shouldn't attempt to
support their kdis on min. wage. It's basic economics that if your current
job doesn't pay you enough, look for a new one! It's not hard!Funny thing is the more wages go up, the more everything else increases
in price too.
Minimum wage raises will cause prices to go higher. Why should a business be
forced to pay someone 10 dollars for 5 dollars work. Are you willing to pay
higher prices with minimum wage increases?
I don't buy the argument that if the minimum wage is passed employers would
hire less workers. A place of business needs a certain amount of workers to stay
in business. The employer will hire the workers needed to do the work. If the
wage goes up the employer will still hire the same amount of workers. The cost
of the product might have to be adjusted. This happens in every workplace or
place of business. It is like crying wolf to say wages go up and number of
workers goes down. It just is not true. What is true is wages go up
and the standard of living goes up. For those on the bottom of the wage scale it
is very hard for a person to feed a family with the minimum wage as low as it
now is. The questions are these: Who benefits most by wages being
raised?? Who benefits most by leaving wages low? What is best for the overall
good of society?I believe society benefits most by raising the
First let me say thank you DN for a pretty fair presentation of a contentious
subject. That hasn't always been your strong suit, but this was well done
in a short space. You gave us information from both sides to have a discussion
with. What's disapointing is the responders who still are talking
anecdotes (even economic anecdotes), using personal circumstances to generalize
for an entire citizenry, and those with plain no empathy (you should be ashamed,
get up off the couch and improve yourself etc.). If life has taught me one
thing it's I have no idea what someone elses shoes feel like. Stick to the
facts and maybe we can have a productive discussion.
Or instead of raising the minimum wage. We can cut taxes (which automatically
increases the cash to the worker) and remove the requirement from an employer to
give health care if you work 30 hours or more. Then minimum wage employees can
work at one employer for 40+ hours and not have to juggle two jobs, two
schedules plus fitting in education to make ends meet.Then again,
barack came from privelage and never had to deal with the real world. Just
another rich millionaire lecturing us on how to put more money into his pocket.
We live in a new glbal competitive world. Raising the cost of producing a
product places it at a disadvantage in the world market. (Ever see the label,
"Made in China?"). We must REDUCE the cost of products that we export.
So, place a tariff on imported goods to increase their sale price?Then,
the world markets will stop, or reduce, buying our Boeing passenger planes, a
chief source of our foreign exchange. Boeing, at present, has a backlog of
orders for 4,000 planes. You better not mess with that. I am 91 years old
Tennessean. In the 1930's our "Walmart" was F.W. Woolworth, the
"Five and Dime" They were everywhere. Behind every counter was, usally a
woman, stood someone to help you pick your new comb or hairbrush or whatever.
In 1939 I worked at J.C.Penney full time, paid $10 a week, trolly cost 10
cents Social Security 15 cents a week. In the evenings I attended Univ. of
Chattanooga. Went to the Pacific in 1943, then went on to college and medical
school by G.I. Bill. Don't tell me about bad Obama or Washington. Our
government has been good to me, but worked for it.
The poor by definition do not have investment income (like the rich).
Consequently, the lower the wages, the higher the costs for taxpayer paid
Here we go again! Are the unions going to stay at their current wages if it
costs more for goods and services? Will people working for $9.00 per hour be
satisfied to continue working for $9.00 per hour, since their cost of living is
going to increase? Since it will involve more taxes, fee and other costs, as I
see it the low income workers the increase is meant to benefit will be loosing
buying power. The only people to benefit are the politicians that are painting
an allusion of prosperity for the sake of buying votes. Just a
thought in passing: Several years ago, the question was ask of a government
official; what is going to happen when we all are working for the government?
His reply was; we are all working for the government, it's just someone
else signing your paychecks.I am to old to be effected by the
current happenings, however I think of my children and their children and their
children. Ops, I am dating myself, children are human, kids are goats.
I have to admit to being amused every time the topic of a "proper"
minimum wage is brought up.The humorous part being that there is so
little ever discussed about the "proper" part of it. That is, who
should decide what is proper and upon what basis should they decide it?I mean, if this person or people are so smart as to know what they price for
minimum labor should be, why don't they apply the same reasoning to the
price for milk, or gasoline, or the department of
Defense/Education/Interior/Labor/etc., etc.?For those people who are
so certain there is some magic figure that will be the --proper-- minimum wage,
whether $7.50 or $9.00 or $20 or $100 per hour, why would they hesitate at
having the same price fixing scheme for anything/everything else?The
real problem with this debate is that there are so few people honest/smart
enough to realize just how dumb it is.
Just a few thoughts, first, I don't always like how teenagers are shown
when it comes to the minimum wage debate. When I was a teen I was working at a
minimum wage job in order to pay for college, not to pay for designer jeans or
electronics. It was hard enough to save for school and now college expenses are
rising, but wages are staying the same.Second, I've heard
people say that if you are making minimum wage that you should simply go and
find something better or go back to school in order to provide for your family.
It's not always as easy as it sounds to simply up and find a new job, and
if your barely making enough to provide for your family you are not going to
have enough to go back to school.
As the article shows, there are lies, there are dang lies, and then, there are
statistics. Both sides use the numbers to try and sway the argument in their
favor. Common sense will tell you that raising the minimum wage is not the
answer. Raise it and you will have fewer jobs. Businesses will adjust to keep
their profit by either hiring fewer workers, eliminating the low level positions
all together, or by raising the cost of their product or service thus passing
the cost on to the consumer (us), so it's a lose/lose situation anyway you
look at it. The government needs to get out of the social engineering business
and let the free market work. The more they tinker with it, the worse it gets
for all of us.
RichardB,The problem is higher minimum wage only has a short term effect
on lifting peoples ability to spend. Here is what happens, every employee who
makes under $9.00 an hour now must be given a raise because they are under the
minimum. That makes them equal with people who have been working at the same
place for say 5 years gradually building their salary. Now those people are
angry that people who just started are making the same amount as them so they
must be given a raise as well. They now make close to what their supervisors
make and supervisors must make more than the people under them or they will not
listen to them. Now lets say this company is a burger joint, they operate on a
fairly low profit margin so they now must raise prices to compensate for the
higher wages. Multiply this throughout all companies that pay minimum wage
because that is why they pay that wage to start with. You now have inflation.
Now the buying power of that $9.00 an hour job is the same as the $7.25 an hour
job, you are back to square one.
When I heard President Obama say in a news-bite that it was time to increase the
minimum wage to $9.00/hr to make it a "livable minimum wage". I
clenched my teeth so hard I think I shattered all my molars. I would like to
see him, any politician, or any bureaucrat exist on $9.00 an hour. Bizarre
beyond belief to find out that people in power are so out of touch. I am
personally aware of people who make twice that that are on food stamps, free
lunch and other assistance and their employers tout their wages as
"livable".It is time to address poverty - not by adjusting
the minimum wage, but by fixing the economy and promoting higher pay among those
who actually work.By-the-way. Most of those people
"living" on twice the minimum wage are teachers, police and other
government employees. Start where the problem starts politicians.
micawberPlease define fair? Fair for the employer or the employee?
It is like justice and mercy as it must meet the demands of both.
Wages are equal to the skills that you bring to the employer and ease with which
you can be replaced. If you can be trained for a job in a couple of hours then
anyone that applies that is willing to work can replace you. If however you are
highly educated and cannot be replaced because no one else can do the job then
you are paid a lot for your skills. My family has been on both sides
of the discussion. My grand father was a coal miner in Scotland and my sons are
software engineers. Grandfather came to American so his family could have the
opportunity for education.
This article talks alot about the individuals working for minium wage. What
about taking into account those individuals that are working for a little over
minimum wage or maybe $8 an hour. That is not a livable wage for a family of 4
either. What would their data show then. I would dare say they would find a
larger percentage of people that are struggling to make ends me instead of just
those who are making the minimum wage.
Real Maverick,As the article showed, both sides of this argument
start with different assumptions, neither of them necessarily faulty. So when
you refer to 'credible studies', I think you mean studies you agree
The U.S. economy has turned into one of service jobs such as hospitals.
Factories have moved out of the country. It would appear that the Republicans
want to continue the job drain. The answer for the Democrats is to take minimum
wage jobs and turn them into jobs which can support a family. The original
purpose of minimum wage jobs was to hire teenagers part time in order to get
them by on the way to a permanent high paying job while going to school. There
are major cracks in the U.S. economy. Neither party has any semblance of an
An employer will hire an employee to help him make a profit unless the employer
is government based or a non-profit organization. If you eliminate the profit
the employer will eventually run into the red and have no means to correct the
deficit. To improve the health of the company the employer must do
one of the following: 1)reduce the cost of manufacturing the product or service
provided 2)increasing the value of the product or service so they can raise
prices without increasing costs, 3)Sale more product (this assumes that
increased profit will overcome fixed costs).For a business that is
operating at close to or at non-profit status increasing minimum wages could
increase fixed cost causing the business to fold. That means loss of jobs. Pay
should be based upon value of work not some arbitrary wage.As stated
by other astute commenters $9/hr is not enough to support a family. Let’s
be honest with each other this unfair arbitrary number does nothing but put
another feather in some politicians' hat.
I say forget the Minimum wage.Our government should, after due study
and deliberation, determine the wages necessary to live the minimum American
dream and hire all available workers into government service at that wage.
Thus ending the best tool of the oppressors, namely “unemployment”.
The cost of which would be recovered by a tax on business. Any
business who didn’t want to participate in the American civilization can
just go fish. Zero unemployment would be a boon to private
enterprise as well a stabilizing effect on the economy. It could eliminate
recessions and depressions while allowing growth. An individual could follow
his dream of life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness without the fear of
something outside his own efforts destroying him.
The ironic thing in this argument is the fact that the same people who complain
about US jobs being shipped overseas because of cheap labor are the same ones
who are arguing that the labor in the US needs to cost more.Come on
liberals tell us what will happen if we make the labor in the US cost more by
increasing the minimum wage? Will that lead to more jobs here, or more jobs
outside the US?What do you want? You can't have both.To "RichardB" if a worker's labors only bring in $8 worth of
value, why should they be paid $9? How is that fair to an employer that is
risking their money on an employee that doesn't bring in enough to cover
the cost of their employment?Fair is arbitrary and has no meaning.
If a worker doesn't want to earn $7.25/hr they should look elsewhere or
else get a skill that demands more money.
Don't fear the higher minimum wage. As an example, Washington State, has a
min wage of $9.19 and we have a good standard of living, and more money turning
over in the local economy. The person who brings me my breakfast each day,
makes tips plus 9.19 an hour, and I can afford the food. The owner of the
business is still making money, and gets more of it because other min wage
earners have disposable income that makes a Sunday morning breakfast date
possible. If the wage were cut in half, would we expect businesses to double
the number of employees they have? That makes no sense. Raise the min wage.
Schwa, a basic macro economics class will tell you that minimum wage decreases
the number of jobs.
Ultra Bob,Question, where does the money come from to pay the wages for
all those people? It comes from taxes. So 100% of their income must be taxed
from someone to pay the wage. Now you say lets tax the companies. Another
question, are going to allow them to still make a profit? If yes than I have yet
another question are going to get rid of the personal income tax? Here is where
this is all leading with everything the government is required to do you tax
companies to pay the salaries of all these new government employees you are
going to raise the cost of their products. That will make the new government
wage not enough to live on. Further more what are all these new government
workers going to do? What is their job going to be? How hard will it be to fire
them? can they spend 2 hours every day on Facebook? What people need to start
doing is thinking ideas through to the next stage rather than stopping at
everything is just happy go lucky
Of course, the missing piece in all discussion of wages is the refusal of
economists to recognize the existence of Marx's surplus value. This must
be part of the discussion, but never is because it is taboo. Marx asked an
interesting question: in a market system which sees mostly the exchange of
equivalents, where do profits come from? The answer is surplus value, the
increment of value added by labor for which it is not compensated. Without this
inclusion the debate over wages is an exercise in futility.
Kathy,If it were politically possible, I would raise the minimum
wage to more than $9 per hour. It is not politically possible, so I would take
the best deal I could get. Obviously, highly skilled workers demand higher
salaries than those lacking skills. But adults working at minimum wage are
unlikely to be computer programmers or doctors. I'm
uncomfortable with the idea that "they should pull themselves up by their
bootstraps." Some people can't do that. We are always going to have
people working in fast food or retail. And many of them work hard. (I doubt any
of the people who conduct the studies on minimum wage would be willing to give
up their jobs in academia or think tanks to be shift supervisors at
McDonald's. Being a shift supervisor is much harder work.) So, when we say
"go get a better job" or "what you do is not worth more than $7.25
per hour", I don't think we are being fair to the hard-working people
doing those jobs. That's what I mean by fair in this context.
If someone wants to run a business, why do we have the nerve to tell them how
much they should pay their employees? Do you go into people's houses and
tell them how they should arrange furniture, how often they should clean,
etc?The government should be able to set minimum wage for government
employees, but why is it telling a private business owner how much he should
pay? To help the people, the government can train, educate, provide information
about jobs to make the job market more competitive, but it should not grab a
business owner by the throat and tell him "You have to pay this much or
A1994, You are so very right! Why does this government continue to make it
harder and harder for anyone to find the American dream? All I have heard
Obama encourage is, higher education and higher minimum wage?What the? No matter what education you have, if there is no way to make more then
minimum wage, you have wasted your time and acquired school debt foolishly.
Minimum wage is one reason why so many businesses are looking overseas for their
workers. It is cheaper to ship from China than it is to pay for low skill labor
in the United States. Why do factories in the US shut down? This is just another
bowing down to a puppet China.
Workers are not paid for hard work, they are paid for VALUABLE work. If a job
is something anyone off the street could do, or could do with experience, the
pay SHOULD be minimal.
Marxist, Your econmoic points are based on the premise that communism
works, it does for the top politicians and everyone else suffers in poverty!I go with the "shoe study". A group of scientists studied
poverty across the earth. They looked for a way to see how wealthy a culture
was, the one need that was universal around the planet. They choose shoes.How many pairs of shoes does each person have in each country and nation. They
spent years compiling information. Since most people in the US have at
least 6 pairs of shoes we are some of the wealthiest, most communist nations are
among the poorest including Cuba, China, and North Korea, with one or no pairs
of shoes. I happen to like shoes. You must too, because you are still
micawber,Perhaps you were raised with a silver spoon in your mouth.
That may explain how it would be difficult for you to recognize or understand
how a person can pull himself up by his bootstraps. I grew up sleeping on a
concrete floor in a cinder block house. I have no complaints about that. I
worked at multiple minimum wage jobs and decided that this would not work when
it came to raising my family.I worked full time and went to school
full time to improve my wife and two children’s lives. No government
programs, no scholarship, no food stamps just hard teeth gritting work. I no
longer have to work at low paying jobs. I still have to work hard but I am able
to successfully compete in a tight job market.That’s why this
country is called the land of opportunity. That is why we have so many people
trying to get into this country.
KC MormonAs mentioned in the post, the cost is paid by a tax on
business operations. Just like it always has before technology, automation and
unfair labor practices took away the balance needed to keep the economy going.
The profit is up to the skill of the businessman, just like before.
However the rate of creating new millionaires may decline. Wages
will tend to follow prices, it has to do with the supply and demand. Why would
the businessman raise prices when his costs go up along with greater demand for
his product. Working people tend to spend a greater share of the earnings as
opposed to millionaires and racially motivated businessmen. Mostly
the jobs they do would be the same kinds of jobs people are doing now and
working with the same motivations and ethics, only more of what we want done
will get done. If a businessman fires and employee, the employee
and his family will not suffer, he can just walk across the street and work for
the government. The employee would become a real human being freed
from the tyranny of business slave masters.
Sasha PachevThe difference between business and a business operation
is that business is a prerogative of the society wherein the business operation
wants to operate. It’s the people who create the opportunity, the rules
and regulations, and specify how and what the product must be and even how much
the business operation must pay it’s employees.The businessman
may own the buildings, assets and even some intangibles, but he doesn’t
own the right to operate his business with out the OK, permission and
regulations of the society. The problem with today’s
businessmen is that they think they should get all the profit because they
invested some money. In fact their investment in the business may be less that
the investment from the society of people.
this will cause a considerable rise in unemployment. fast foods etc. can't
afford big increases. they will hire fewer employees, and cost of their product
will rise, causing both inflation and lower sales
I love it when rich people talk about how poor people don't really need to
make a semi-decent wage!Instead of a minimum wage we need a
"Federal Profit Sharing" law that forces companies to take 75% of the
profits and split it up between the people actually creating the profit; the
harder the work the more they make!It is NOT RIGHT that the top dog
makes MILLIONS while the people CREATING THE PROFIT live on slave wages.
raising the mininum wage will result in 5.00 hamburgers at micky dees, what is
needed is better paying jobs for the starting wage earners to move into. common
sense 101 needs to be taught to our elected leaders.
That Bureau of Labor Statistics 1.8 million needs to be rechecked again for the
amount of people getting that wage. It may be a little bit low. There are a lot
of fast food places out there. There is a whole lot of subsidized housing that
requires incomes be low to live in it. There may be a whole lot more than
1.8 million out there. Of Course, then the Walmart payscale starts at $7.38 an
hour -so just escapes minimum, so this could be right.
Those who believe that the people who actually own a business should not profit,
are total fools. If there is no profit in a business, why take the risk?
Why deal with all the governmental regulations, taxes, insurances, employees
issues, retail theift, law suits etc. ? As an employee, you don't
deal with those issues, you get your wages, your workers comp, and you go home.
You don't worry if you will make payroll after you pay quarterlies,
don't worry if the new round of EPA regulations will put you out of
business or cost you most of your take home. You don't worry if you
insurance will raise or if your employees will actually show up for work. You
don't get the joy of having a safety inspector show up, or the wage bureau
or the state workers comp regulators.
Minimum wage jobs are meant to be training jobs for teenagers and additional
money for retired workers. They are not supposed to be long range family
security. If you raise the minimum wage, the businesses will raise the prices,
lay off workers and we are right back where we started. The idea here is,
finish school, go to college or trade schools, train for something that will
enable you to provide for a family. Yes, how did we get a president who is too
stupid to know how to deal with the economy, world affairs, telling the truth,
national security, financial management, and every other thing that crosses his
desk...when he is actually there and not on vacation spending billions of our
Why Not Think,I was not raised with a silver spoon in my mouth. I
was raised in a single parent home and worked through college and law school
(though I also had scholarships and Pell grants, for which I am grateful). But
not everyone will be able to get a high paying job. No matter how many people
take advantage of the opportunity society, somebody still has to wait tables,
clean motel rooms and work in convenience stores (and none of those jobs will be
outsourced). If we are unwilling to pay the people who do those jobs a
reasonable wage, we need to think about what kind of people we are. This
isn't just about making the most money; it is about treating others as we
would want to be treated.
Thinkin/ Man,Do you really think the proper way to treat people is
to pay them the least we can? Just because anyone off the street could perform a
service, do you really believe we should give them minimal pay? We should not
grind the faces of the poor into the dust.
If I were an employer, I would hire a basically untrained person at a lower
hourly rate (call it "minimum wage") than a trained, reliable person and
then as that untrained person gained skills and became a valuable employee and
an asset to my company, I would raise his wages so he would stay working for me
- that's just common sense. I don't know if such practical,
straight-forward thinking has a chance in today's climate.
Myfamily runs a small dairy farm in todays standards. ALL our emplyees earn more
per hour than w do. Even the boys making only $6/ hr. The reason we survive is
my husband and I combined put in between 120 to 160 hours per week on the farm
and our combined income does not meet our needs at $4/hr. If we have to pay more
per hour our income will not even cover the cost of our workers extra pay let
alone the workers comp we would then have to pay into. WE would go out of
business. Right now small farmers are exempt from minimum wage requirements
which is what allows us to have the help we need. We try to be fair in wages we
have the lowest wages per hour. My point is some markets will not sustain a
rise in minimum wage. From what I have seen the only thing raising the minumum
wage does is cause the rise in cost of goods. My sister lives in Germany a
Kmart quality shirt cost 100dollars. Think about it. It is not having money but
the better use of it that makes for better living.